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jatofbhiwani
October 8th, 2005, 04:52 PM
CHAHAR MAHAL is one of the 30 provinces of Iran. It is in the south of the country.The capital of CHAHAR MAHAL is Shahare kord.
CHAHAR SHANBEH SURI is the festival celebrated by Ancient Iranian people on the last 10 days of the year they celebrated it to PLEASE THE SOULS OF THE GAURDIAN ANGELS Iranians today still carry out the spring-cleaning and set up bon fires for only one night on the last Tuesday of the year
CHAHAR BAGH is a building in the Esfahan province of Iran. It is described by American Scholar as the LAST GREAT BUILDING IN IRAN It was built on 1706 to 1714.
also spelled Chakhar, eastern tribe of Mongols, prominent in the 15th and 16th centuries. The Chahar were part of the empire of Dayan Khan (1470–1543), the last great khan of a united Mongolia
Chahar (察哈爾 in pinyin: Cháhāěr), also known as Chaha'er, Chakhar, or Qahar, was a 24-year-old province of China established in 1912 now mostly in Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region. It was named after the Chahar Mongolians.
(chä-här) , former province (109,527 sq mi/283,675 sq km), N China. Zhangjiakou (Kalgan) was the capital of China
Chahar Aymaq is a language in the Persian language spoken by people in
Northwest Afganistan
People observed ‘Chahar Shanba’ countrywide to celebrate Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) recovery from illness here on Wednesday to please the souls of Warrior Angels
Chahars were the Warrior tribes of IRAN and the people of IRAN uesd to celebrate a festival to Honour them.
When you click google with chahar+google you can find 122,000 searches on CHAHAR
It proves that Chahars were the WARRIOR ANGELS IN IRAN who had a vast Empire and influence in the Ancient World History
Good to read for all chahars and all jats
it proves that jats were the warriorrs in Ancient World History
But my Humble suggestion is that to Identify yourselves as JATS not by the gotras so as to see us as one not in divisions
Dr Chahar
supersteve
October 24th, 2005, 12:02 PM
I have also noticed connections between jats and Iranians. I think some Jat scholar showed do some in-depth research on this as well as blood testing to see if there is a connection.
jatofbhiwani
October 25th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Hi,
According to historians aryans came to india on 500BC and settled in northern india (in indus valley) the historians are divided that whether the aryans came from germany or Persia. According to the new view they came from persia(Iran).This explains the connection between chahars and iran.The aryan kingdom was spread from india to Ireland 'EIRE' the name of Ireland in Gallick(the ancient language of Ireland) means ARYAN.
vinodks
October 25th, 2005, 02:38 AM
Dude, where you get these new views from?? me is curious!!! plz provide more info about "new views"... I would strongly suggest you to update yourself with articles on AIT on voice of India website or a small book by David Frawley "Myth of Aryan Invasion" or "Aryan Invasion: Truth or subversion of scholarship"....
vinod
Hi,
According to the new view they came from persia(Iran).This explains the connection between chahars and iran.The aryan kingdom was spread from india to Ireland 'EIRE' the name of Ireland in Gallick(the ancient language of Ireland) means ARYAN.
arunshamli
October 25th, 2005, 04:22 AM
Hi,
According to historians aryans came to india on 500BC and settled in northern india (in indus valley) the historians are divided that whether the aryans came from germany or Persia. According to the new view they came from persia(Iran).This explains the connection between chahars and iran.The aryan kingdom was spread from india to Ireland 'EIRE' the name of Ireland in Gallick(the ancient language of Ireland) means ARYAN.
If aryan came from Iran or( somewehre else) why is it not mentioned in any of our scriptures?
prashantacmet
October 27th, 2005, 10:58 AM
The information collected by Pawan Ji was amazing. but, in his article it's
not clear how the CHAHAR were relocated to INDIA.Definitely, if so much is found about CHAHAR in IRAN , some more information can be collected about cHAHAR. Keep it up PAWAN JI.
Prashant JAT
jatofbhiwani
October 30th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Hi
though the topic of Aryan invasion of India is still debatable here is few evidence in support of the invasion as aquote from the book
"The Aryan Race" by Charles Morris
As expressed, for example, by Charles Morris in his 1888 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888) book "The Aryan Race," this theory holds that a Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian) race of nomadic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_people) warriors known as the Aryans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan), originating in the Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) mountains in Southeastern Europe, invaded Northern India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) and Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), somewhere between 1800 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century_BC) and 1500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_century_BC) BC. The invaders entered the Indian subcontinent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent) from the mountain passes of the Hindu Kush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Kush), possibly on horseback, bringing with them the domesticated horse. The theory further proposes that this race displaced or assimilated the indigenous pre-Aryan peoples and that the bulk of these indigenous people moved to the southern reaches of the subcontinent or became the lower castes of post-Vedic society. The Aryans would have brought with them their own Vedic religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_religion), which was codified in the Vedas around 1500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_century_BC) to 1200 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_century_BC) BC. Upon arrival in India, the Aryans abandoned their nomadic lifestyle and mingled with the native peoples remaining in the north of India. The victory of the Aryans over the native civilization was quick and complete, resulting in the dominance of Aryan culture and language over the northern part of the subcontinent and considerable influence on parts of the south.
THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF ARYANS WAS SANSKRIT FROM WHICH ALL ANCIENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGES ARE DERIVED
NOW CONNECTION BETWEEN INDIA AND IRAN
The word Arya first appears in the Sanskrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit) Vedas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas) around 2000 BCE, with the meaning of "noble person". The word is attested in Old Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Persian) inscriptions and other Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language) sources from c. 500 BCE onwards that refer to an Aryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan) lineage or nation. The word Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran) is derived from the word Aryan. India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) is also referred to as Aryavarta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryavarta), which means "the Land of Aryans". Modern Iranians consider their ethnicity and stock as being Aryan, and a majority of South Asians are considered to be Aryans.
NOW SOME EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE NOTION THAT THE ARYANS CAME VIA PERSIA(ANCIENT IRAN)
Aryan race and genetics
Contemporary anthropologists who believe in the existence of an ancient Aryan race generally have the opinion that its closest descendants today are the Persians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians) (or Iranians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples)), not the Europeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europeans) or the Germans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans); so possibly the Ossetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetes) and Slavs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs), but certainly not the Nordic race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race) with which they were equated in Nazi ideology.
VINOD SANGWANJI
Some evidence in support of my previous article though the topic is still debatable.
Happy Diwali
Dr Chahar
sumitdaheya
October 30th, 2005, 04:58 AM
So Chahars were mongols/chinese or iranians(you mean caucasian iranians?) Dude stick to one thing, there is a big difference between mongols and iranians. But tell me what do you get by writing such stuff? What are you trying to prove here? If Chahars has a vast empire in iran why didn't we read about it in history books?
jatofbhiwani
October 30th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Dear Sumit,
I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING I AM SIMPLY PUTTING DOWN THE MATERIAL ON HISTORY OF JATS
WHATEVER I AM PUTTING IS NOT FROM MY DREAMS BUT ARE QUOTES FROM TEXTBOOKS ON HISTORY
NOT ALL THINGS ARE PUT IN HISTORY BOOKS THERE ARE WIDE GAPS WHICH ARE STILL TO BE FILLED
THERE ARE CITIES NAMED ON CHAHARS THEY ARE NOT NAMED BY ME NOR THE FESTIVALS NAMED BY ME THEY ARE THERE SINCE CENTURIES
Cheers,
Pawan