Urgent: Plans to derail California Hindu textbooks revision

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Somebody in California area may make meaningful contribution on the subject given below. I received it in e-mail from some concerned Indian.

As you all know plans are underway to have portrayal of Hinduism in California textbooks and it has come under extreme attack from anti Hindu forces.A hearing will be held today and decision tomorrow - Dec 02, 2005.

I came across the game plan of the anti Hindu league. Please read through the entire text.

If possible you can contact the below thru phone due to urgency and let them of the email.

Hindu Education Foundation Contacts

For information : info@hindueducation.org (info@hindueducation.org)
To join the efforts: join_us@hindueducation.org (join_us@hindueducation.org)
For media: media@hindueducation.org (media@hindueducation.org)
For Organizations: media@hindueducation.org (orgs@hindueducation.org)

For California Initiative contact California Coordinator
Anjali Patel join_us@hindueducation.org (join_us@hindueducation.org)






7930 McClellan Rd. Ste # 1
Cupertino, CA 95014
Phone: 408-257-1394

Next step: California Comm. vote on Hindutva changes

Dear Amarjit Singh and John Dayal!

I would like to turn your attention to the matter discussed in the attached letter from Prof. Michael Witzel at Harvard and in the letter below. As you will see, Hindutva forces in California have been active trying to change the contents of Californian school books so that they reflect the views held by Hindutvavadins on Indian society and history. Witzel and a number of other scholars have reacted to this in the manner expressed by the letter.

Notice particularly the following paragraphs below:

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"This is not a public hearing. But all that means is that there is no official published time for the public to speak before the commissioners take action. Nonetheless, each meeting has a time for “public comment” and people will be allowed to come up and speak. (Thus, we have to be present).

If they follow the order of the published agenda, public comment comes after the actual vote. They will only hear Tom Adam's (CA Dept. of Education) report on the earlier (Hindutva-inspired) and our (Wolpert, Heitzman, Witzel) findings.
But if they see the huge Hindutva crowd expected and decide to let them speak first, it is possible votes will be swayed back the other way simply because no political person likes to say no, in public, to an unhappy minority group seeking redress of grievances."
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We feel that support from other Indians - not Hindutvavadins - would be needed to counteract the initiative from the Hindutva people. It would probably be an advantage if Dalits were present and could demonstrate that the Hindutvavadins do not speak for all Indians. I have been reluctant to announce this on the Dalit lists because we don't know if they are infiltrated, we therefore turn to you for advice and help. Is there a way to (discretely) mobilize Dalits in California and elsewhere in this matter? Could you get some support from Afro-American organizations here? We don't want to create the impression that only a few outsiders are against the Hindutva version of history.

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Please publicise the contents below so that we may have our opinions heard.Regards

Amarjit Singh


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Fra: Michael Witzel [mailto:witzel@fas.harvard.edu (witzel@fas.harvard.edu)]
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Dear All,
Many thanks again for your support! Today I report on the next step (and some harassment mails)
It seems that all 50 signers of our letter have got the same kind of letter, actually sometimes from 2 people, with virtually the same text. (Satya Shekhar's is shorter):
From: satya shekhar <satyashekhar05@yahoo.com (http://us.f314.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=satyashekhar05@yahoo.com)>
From: Ratnendra Pandey <pandey@hotmail.com (http://us.f314.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=pandey@hotmail.com)>
(see text below)
------here my older report, after the last comm. meeting----
Dear friends,
success! It seems that we were successful; more details will follow as soon they become available. Here the initial, partial report from people present at the meeting of the California State Board of Education:
This afternoon the California Board of Education voted to approve the school books for adoption in California schools;
seven of eight publishers' programs were approved (Including the initially rejected Oxford U.P. one, it seems without adding in any of the Hindutva material).
Below, I attach our joint letter for your reference. We had planned to send it to you earlier, but all the back and forth yesterday in preparing for today's (Wednesday's) meeting prevented me.
Luckily, we had a California historian of india, Prof. J. Heitzman (UC Davis), present at the meeting who also used a letter written by Prof. Wolpert.
Hence, some more detailed news about the meeting of the California State Board of Education:
The meeting was to decide whether to adopt the changes that have already been suggested, collected in a book containing the massive number of changes.
Comments from the audience: each one to speak for TWO MINUTES each.
The first cohort of speakers included representatives of the Vedic Foundation, who all urged adoption of the changes.
The next major group consisted of a number of Sikh speakers who urged non-adoption of the changes until after the insertion of additional material on Sikhism.
Prof. Heitzman, speaking for us all, then alluded to the "Standards for Evaluating Instructional Materials for Social Content," section:" Religion; Indoctrination", urging the Board not to "encourage or discourage belief or indoctrinate the student in any particular religious belief."
Pointing out that we represent thousands of high-level scholars from all religious backgrounds dedicated to the academic study of South Asian history and culture, he stated that we have two main objections to the current draft that cause us to oppose its adoption:
(1) the consulting base, i.e. Dr. Bajpai, is too narrow for a problem of this complexity; and (2) we "impugn the credentials" of the Vedic Foundation and other Hindu groups to speak competently on issues of South Asian history and religion.
These groups project, either overtly or subconsciously, policies known as Hindutva or "Hinduness" that portray South Asian and specifically Indian identity as Hindu. Their program has ravaged the social studies textbooks of India for the last ten years.
He urged the Board not to allow a religious chauvinism of India to become the policy of the State of California, which would provoke an academic and international uproar. He volunteered the services of the university community specializing in the analysis of South Asia for evaluating the edits and additions proposed for the California textbooks: "We are ready to earn our pay; let us help you."
Sincere thanks to Prof. Heitzman and to all of you ! This shows how concerted action, even if it comes as late as ours, can be successful.
Incidentally, the next thing to tackle is the BBC website. Let us discuss how to go about it. Please see this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/index.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/index.shtml)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.shtml)

Best wishes,
Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street , 3rd floor, Cambridge MA 02138
1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571
direct line: 496 2990
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm (http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm)

[vinodks]

Hi,

HSS(Hindu Savyam Sevak) chapter in Virginia has already done silimar thing two years back... In a county(I guess Fairfax, not sure though), textbooks had description of Hinduism like worshiping rats & cows, antique dogmatic customs, superstition without mentioning the good things... They have changed the text books now... but this effort needs to be replicated in all states... And this was done by PETITION followed by court case later...

-vinod

[sampuran]

Vinod Bhai Ram Ram.
Thanks for the info. This time the commies and enemies have become very active. It will not be correct to just sit back and let events take their course.

[a_rahar]

December 4, 2005

1.. California School Board Accepts Most Hindu Changes to Sixth
Grade Textbooks

HPI

SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA, December 4, 2005: California Hindus breathed
a sigh of relief after yesterday's meeting of the State Board of
Education Curriculum Commission. The Vedic Foundation (here) and
Hindu Education Foundation (here) worked for months through the
California Department of Education (CDE) procedures suggesting
improvements for the sections of California textbooks that deal with
India and Hinduism. Their 170 corrections ("edits," as the CDE calls
them) were initially reviewed by an "Ad-Hoc Committee" which
included renowned Indologist, Dr. Shiva Bajpai, who had been hired
by the Commission, and CDE staff. But then at the intervention of
Dr. Michael Witzel of Harvard University, a last-minute "Content
Review Panel" was set up to go over the changes approved by Dr.
Bajpai's committee again. Witzel claimed the changes were motivated
by "Hindutva" forces a nd would "lead without fail to an
international educational scandal if they are accepted by the
California's State Board of Education." This panel, comprised of Dr.
Witzel, Dr. Stanley Wolpert of UCLA and Dr. James Heitzman, Director
of Summer Sessions, University of California, Davis, rejected 58 of
the proposed Hindu edits, especially those dealing with an "Aryan
Invasion" of India in ancient times. Their recommendations and
evaluations are posted here.

Hindus despaired as they believed the Curriculum Commission would
accept the Witzel panel recommendations in their entirety. This is
not, however, what happened. Near the beginning of the meeting on
Friday, Commissioner Dr. Stan Metzenberg, a professor of biology at
California State University Northridge, made a motion to accept all
of the original recommendations of the Hindu groups as approved by
Dr. Bajpai's committee, with the provision to go through the Witzel
panel rejections of 58 one by one. This motion passed.

The Commission then went through the 58 rejections, ultimately
accepting only about a dozen.

Ten textbooks were under consideration for adoption for 6th grade
social studies classes in the California schools. The text book
manufacturers produce preliminary editions of their books, which are
then distributed throughout school districts in California and
comments and corrections requested. The Curriculum Commission
considered changes from certain groups. These edits had to be
relatively minor, and not represent major additions or deletions to
the texts. Each group might submit from dozens to hundreds of edits.
Everything had to be in line with the California "Framework" or
guidelines for the subject, which will be explained further on in
this article.

Much of the discussion during the five-hour meeting was between
Commissioner Dr. Charles Munger, Jr., physicist, Stanford Linear
Accelerator Center, and Commissioner Metzenberg. Consultant Heitzman
was the only one allowed to address the Commission on any questions
until Janeshwari Devi, Director of Programs for the Vedic
Foundation, complained to Commission members that no Hindus were
being consulted. She was allowed to make a few comments, and then no
further questions were addressed either to her or Dr. Heitzman.
Commissioner Munger, who identified himself as an Episcopalian, was
the only Board member who advocated accepting the edits of the
Witzel panel. Commissioner Metzenburg took the view that Hindus
should at least be able to recognize their own religion when they
read these textbooks. Some Commissioners abstained from voting,
citing lack of expertise on the subject. Commissioners Man and
Levine actively made and seconded motions to get the Commission
through the long list of edits in a timely way, and Commissioner
Munger's attempts to get Witzel's version of Hindu religion into the
texts were voted down time and again.

On the contentious point of an "Aryan Invasion" of India 1500 bce,
Heitzman agreed to soften this to "Aryan migration," as there is no
evidence found of a violent invasion. But Commissioner Metzenberg, a
biologist, objected on scientific grounds. He said, "I've read the
DNA research and there was no Aryan migration. I believe the hard
evidence of DNA more than I believe historians." It was finally
agreed to say, "Some historians believe in the theory of an Aryan
migration." This is not as much change as Hindus requested, but it
was a major step.

One change recommended by the Vedic Foundation was the use
of "deity" for "statue" in referring to the carved image of a God or
Goddess, called "murthi" in Sanskrit. This change was recommended by
Bajpai and rejected by Witzel's group. The Commission agreed to the
Hindu request to change "statue" to "deity."

Another issue the Witzel panel disapproved was to use upper-case "G"
for God when referring to Hindu worship of God. Commissioner Levine
noted that for Hindus there are many forms of the one God.

Hindus requested one sentence in one book be changed from
saying, "Modern Hindu continue to visit temples to express their
love of the gods," to "...visit temples to worship and express their
love for God." This was rejected by Witzel's group, but accepted by
the Commission. Similar changes were accepted throughout the books.

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At one point, Dr. Heitzman said to the Commission, "I advise you to
err on the side of conservatism and be very careful about adopting
any of these changes." Commissioner Metzenberg replied
pointedly, "On the contrary, to err on the side of conservatism, we
should use the Hindu suggestions. After all, it's their religion."
Metzenberg also felt a comment by Witzel's panel on one edit
was "insensitive." The edit was to fix the incorrect statement that
the Ramayan was written later than the Mahabharata. Witzel's group
wrote, "Who in Sixth Grade cares which epic was 'written' first?"
Metzenberg observed that it obviously matters to Hindus."

Another edit was to change the definition of yoga from "Yoga is a
type of ... slow breathing" explaining its derivation from the
Sanskrit "yog," meaning "joining together.

Janeshwari Devi considers the proceedings a partial victory. Her
main concern was that 355 edits submitted by the Vedic Foundation
dealing with eight of the ten books were shelved during earlier
proceedings and not even considered at this meeting. She felt this
was a breach of CDE procedure and plans to appeal. She said, "The
most significant event of yesterday was that scholarship prevailed
instead of scholars who hold anti-Hindu views and have an agenda to
keep Aryan Invasion in the books."

Immediately following the Hindu edits, some 600 plus edits from the
Jewish community were accepted in their entirety. This is an
interesting list to Hindus, and shows the possibilities for
adjustment to the texts. The entire list of edits is available here.
This is a 117 page document, beginning with the Jewish and Muslim
issues and ending with the Hindu (from pages 77 to 105). This
document also contains the Hindu corrections as reviewed and
recommended by Dr. Bajpai.

Many of the complaints from the Jewish groups were on the subject of
Jesus. One, for example, said "The text often implicated Jews in the
death of Jesus, and suggests conflict between Jesus and the Jewish
authorities. This is in violation of the California standards." On
page 27 of the edit document is a list of general complaints by
Jews. "The Institute for Curriculum Services (who reviewed the
texts) reviewers object to the use of the word 'story' in reference
to the Hebrew Bible, as they allege it conveys the idea that the
events described are fictitious." Hindus made a similar complaint
about their scriptures being referred to as "stories."

The Jews objected to this sentence, "King Herod was known for his
cruelty and the additions he made to the Jewish temple in
Jerusalem." They said, "The statement of Herod's cruelty is another
instance of unnecessary negative information about Jewish kings."
Their objection was accepted and the statement rewritten. In another
edit, they objected to the comparison of California state hiring
builders to build something (the text is not fully quoted) and
the "Kingdom of Solomon built with forced labor." They state, "This
is an inappropriate comparison that places modern standards on the
ancient kingdom of Israel."

In one edit they complained about the term "Wailing Wall" for the
Western Wall of the Temple in Jerusalem, as being "undignified" and
not used by Jews. They complained repeatedly that certain comments
and student exercises would promote anti-Semitism.

An important edit which relates to the Hindu issues is over the
Exodus, the escape of the Jews from Egypt in ancient times. The text
of one book read, "Unfortunately, Egyptian records from the time
don't mention the Exodus of the Israelite slaves. And archeology
hasn't uncovered any evidence of their years in Egypt, nor of their
dramatic departure. We have only the biblical account for evidence."
They objected to this and had it replaced with, "For Jews, the
Exodus is a central event in their hi story..." No mentioned was
allowed for the doubt of historians.

A common theme in the Jewish edits was taking out references to
Christianity as somehow an "improvement" upon Judaism, or
a "replacement" for Judaism. This same kind of thinking comes in the
text descriptions of both Buddhism and Jainism, which are presented
as "improvements" over Hindus. Khandarao of the Hindu Education
Foundation, said, "Just as the books can't criticize Judaism in
explaining Christianity, they shouldn't be able to criticize
Hinduism in presenting Buddhism."

It is important to understand these issues in the light of the
California laws governing school textbooks. There are two documents
which contain these laws that are relevant here. One is
the "Standards for Evaluating Instruction Materials for Social
Content," here, and the other is the History-Social Science
Framework," here.

The first is the guiding principles, and with regard to religion it
reads in full:

"Education Code Section 60044(a) and Subsection (b):

Purpose. The standards enable all students to become aware and
accepting of religious diversity while being allowed to remain
secure in any religious beliefs they may already have.

Method. The standards will be achieved by depicting, when
appropriate, the diversity of religious beliefs held in the United
States and California, as well as in other societies, without
displaying bias toward or prejudice against any of those beliefs or
religious beliefs in general.

Applicability of Standards. The standards are derived to a degree
from the United States and the California constitutions and relate
closely to the requirements concerning the portrayal of cultural
diversity. Compliance is required.

These standards should not be construed to mean that the mere
depiction of religious pr actices constitutes indoctrination.
Religious music and art, for example, may be included in
instructional materials when appropriate.

1. Adverse reflection. No religious belief or practice may be held
up to ridicule and no religious group may be portrayed as inferior.

2. Indoctrination. Any explanation or description of a religious
belief or practice should be presented in a manner that does not
encourage or discourage belief or indoctrinate the student in any
particular religious belief.

3. Diversity. When religion is discussed or depicted, portrayals of
contemporary American society should reflect religious diversity."

The Jewish groups often cited these principles in making edits,
especially "adverse reflection."

The second document is the "Framework," which lists in detail what
is to be taught. Hinduism appears in the section on ancient history.
The section reads:

6.5 Students analyze the geographic, poli tical, economic,
religious, and social structures of the early civilizations of India.
1. Locate and describe the major river system and discuss the
physical setting that supported the rise of this civilization.
2. Discuss the significance of the Aryan invasions.
3. Explain the major beliefs and practices of Brahmanism in India
and how they evolved into early Hinduism.
4. Outline the social structure of the caste system.
5. Know the life and moral teachings of the Buddha and how Buddhism
spread in India, Ceylon, and Central Asia.
6. Describe the growth of the Maurya empire and the political and
moral achievements of the emperor Asoka.
7. Discuss important aesthetic and intellectual traditions (e.g.,
Sanskrit literature, including the Bhagavad Gita; medicine;
metallurgy; and mathematics, including Hindu-Arabic numerals and the
zero).

For comparison, here is the section on Judaism:

6.3 Students analyze the geographic, po litical, economic,
religious, and social structures of the Ancient Hebrews.
1. Describe the origins and significance of Judaism as the first
monotheistic religion based on the concept of one God who sets down
moral laws for humanity.
2. Identify the sources of the ethical teachings and central beliefs
of Judaism (the Hebrew Bible, the Commentaries): belief in God,
observance of law, practice of the concepts of righteousness and
justice, and importance of study; and describe how the ideas of the
Hebrew traditions are reflected in the moral and ethical traditions
of Western civilization.
3. Explain the significance of Abraham, Moses, Naomi, Ruth, David,
and Yohanan ben Zaccai in the development of the Jewish religion.
4. Discuss the locations of the settlements and movements of Hebrew
peoples, including the Exodus and their movement to and from Egypt,
and outline the significance of the Exodus to the Jewish and other
people.
5. Discuss how Judaism surv ived and developed despite the
continuing dispersion of much of the Jewish population from
Jerusalem and the rest of Israel after the destruction of the second
Temple in A.D. 70.

The Judaism section is much more comprehensive in terms of theology
than the Hindu section is. Under Hinduism, students learn Aryan
Invasion and caste more than theology, and the Bhagavad Gita is
listed under "aesthetic and intellectual traditions," rather than
religion. "Religion isn't even mentioned under Hinduism, while it is
listed twice under Judaism. This framework comes up for review in
2008, we understand, and Hindus can request improvements.

Hindu parents in California and other states who are so concerned
about what is in their children's textbooks should all continue to
take an interest in this issue. The Vedic Foundation and Hindu
Education Foundation are to be commended for their months of
diligent work.

[sampuran]

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From Arvind Kumar, Independent Scholar to California State Board of Education

Dear President and Board members,

I am an independent scholar who lives in San Jose, California. I write to you regarding the recommendations of Hindus on the content of school textbooks in California. I enclose the points in favor of Aryan Invasion Theory that the Hindus seek to delete from the textbooks.

Introduction to Aryan Invasion Theory

It is important for California to incorporate the Aryan Invasion Theory as it strengthens the claims of Creation Science. California has already lagged behind states like Kansas and it is imperative that this problem be fixed immediately. You may have already received a letter from over fifty researchers with a Christian or Communist background supporting Aryan Invasion Theory. Here is a brief but comprehensive list of reasons supporting the theory along with a complete rebuttal of the claims of those who insist that Aryan Invasion Theory has no evidence to back it up. I also quote some among the long list of world specialists on India who signed the letter sent to you earlier under the letterhead of Harvard University. I also quote another professor from Harvard University to prove that the souls of non-Christians are in peril.

The greatest proponent of Aryan Invasion Theory was Friedrich Max Muller, and it will be instructive to look at his reasoning. Clearly, we know that the world was created in 4004 B.C. Based on this fact, Max Muller calculated the age of Sanskrit literature. If Max Muller was able to see these truths over a hundred years back, it is not clear why the State Board of Education in California must resist them. Max Muller also proves that Indians are inferior to the Whites although they are superior to the Negroes of Africa and the Indians of America.

Quotes from Max Muller's works

Max Muller on Creation Science and date of Vedas

I look upon the account of creation as given in Genesis as simply historical, as showing the highest _expression that could be given by the Jews at that early time to the conception of the beginning of the world. We have learnt, certainly since Kant, that the knowledge of beginnings is denied to us, that all we can do is to grope back a little way, and then to trust. I think I have a right to accept a special beginning of man, because I cannot account for what he is, if I look upon him as the product of anything else, known to me.

Based on the above view, Max Muller calculated the age of Indian civilization.

The collection of hymns of the Rig-veda was completed towards 1000 B.C. That cannot of course be proved like 2 + 2=4, but it is as sure as all our knowledge of these times can be.

Max Muller on Christianity

My idea, on the contrary, was that Christianity was a true historical event, prepared by many events that had gone before and alone made it possible and real.

Max Muller on Darwin and Muller's proof that evolution is a doctrine

Darwin has given us, in his later editions of the Origin of Species, an historical treatise on his mental ancestors. Altogether old Darwin is an honest fellow. The Darwinians are much worse than Darwin himself, and I think the word "Darwinism" ought either to be sharply defined or should be replaced by "evolution-doctrine."

Max Muller on Christianity in India

India has been conquered once, but India must be conquered again, and that second conquest must be a conquest by education. . . . As to religion, that will take care of itself. The missionaries have done far more than they themselves seem to be aware of, nay much of the work which is theirs they would probably disclaim. The Christianity of our nineteenth century will hardly be the Christianity of India. But the ancient religion of India is doomed – and if Christianity does not step in, whose fault will it be?

Writing on India's place in history, Max Muller states:

History seems to teach that the whole human race required a gradual education before, in the fulness of time, it could be admitted to the truths of Christianity.

Excerpts from Max Muller's letter to Mozoomdar of Brahmo Samaj

Tell me some of your chief difficulties that prevent you and your followers from openly following Christ. I shall do my best to explain how I and many who agree with me have met them, and solved them. I do not hesitate to say that on some of these points we may have to learn from you more than we can teach you, and I say this honestly, and from personal experience. That too will be a lesson difficult to learn for our bishops and missionaries, but in Christian humility they will have to learn it. From my point of view, India, at least the best part of it, is already converted to Christianity. You want no persuasion to become a follower of Christ. Then make up your mind to act for yourselves. Unite your flock, and put up a few folds to hold them together, and to prevent them from straying. The bridge has been built for you by those who came before you. Step boldly forward, it will not break under you, and you will find many friends to welcome you on the other shore, and among !
them none more delighted than your old friend and fellow labourer F. Max Muller

After he received a response protesting his letter, he wrote another letter on 3 Nov 1899.

You object to anything like Christian, even Christian Brahmos is not satisfactory to you. But surely you owe much to Christ and Christianity, your very movement would not exist without Christianity. One must be above public opinion in these matters, and trust to truth which is stronger than public opinion.

Max Muller proves that Indians belong to an inferior race

Nor can we compare that earlier, lower, and more savage phase of thought which we find in the Veda, with what we know of really barbarous tribes, such as the Negroes of Africa or the Indians of America. For, however inferior to the Greeks of Homer and the Jews of Moses, the Aryas of the Seven Rivers are far above those races . . .

Quotes of a few of the signatories of the letter sent to you

Prof. Stanley Wolpert is a leading historian who has written a book on the history of India. He has accepted Max Muller's authority and has done stellar work by pointing out that Jews in India provide no evidence of their settlement but Christianity in India must have been founded by St. Thomas. Christians all over the world should be grateful to Prof. Wolpert for rendering this service to Christianity! The State Board of Education must keep in mind that USA is a Christian country and must uphold Christianity and respect the Caucasian race. Thus, it should accept the points made below by Prof. Wolpert.

Although Prof. Wolpert's detractors claim that Prof. Wolpert admits to having no archaeological evidence and that he reconstructs Aryan Invasion from the Vedas even though the Vedas do not mention it, this is mere nitpicking. We must appreciate the fact that Prof. Wolpert himself has admitted that the Rig Veda is unconscious of Aryan Invasion of India and commend him for his academic integrity instead of indulging in nitpicking. What is important is that this fact has somehow been reconstructed from Max Muller's works and the Vedas. As a Professor at University of California at Los Angeles, he must be an authority on the subject. The State Board of Education must therefore use his expertise and make sure that the textbooks in California teach the Aryan Invasion Theory. This will strengthen the claims of creation science in California and help it make its curriculum up to date and catch up with more advanced states such as Kansas.

Prof. Wolpert has also indicated out that it was IMPORTANT for Caucasian genes to go to India and thus such an invasion was desirable. Another person who had the courage to support the theory of Aryan race was Adolf Hitler, the great German leader.

Quotes from Stanley Wolpert's New History of India

Our knowledge of the earliest history of our linguistic ancestors is derived from over a century of patient reconstruction of their "Urheim" by philologists such as Friedrich Max Muller (1823- 1900) . . .

We have no archaeological evidence for the first centuries of India's Aryan age (from about 1500 to 1000 B.C.), but . . .

. . . we have been able to piece together some picture of the era from Aryans' religious "Books of Knowledge," or Vedas . . . The Rig Veda itself, however, is unconscious of that journey and of the Aryan "invasion" of India . . .

Stanley Wolpert says Aryans brought Caucasian genes to India

This was the most important invasion in all of India's history, since the Aryans brought with their Caucasian genes a new language – Sanskrit – and a new pantheon of gods . . .

[sampuran]

Stanley Wolpert on Jewish fiction and Christian facts

Christianity may have entered India at this time. A small but influential group of Syrian Christians in Kerala persist in claiming that their sect was founded by St. Thomas, who may have sailed to Malabar in the first century and who was supposedly martyred at Mylapore, a suburb of modern Madras, in A.D. 68. The tiny Jewish community of Cochin also claims to have been founded in the first century, but no clear historical evidence of such early Jewish settlement in Malabar has as yet been discovered.

Correspondence between Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer

Correspondence between Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer on the activist yahoogroup, Indo-Eurasian_research, is given below. This exchange proves the inferiority of the Vedic religion. The archived messages of the yahoogroup are available for the public to read.

From: Steve Farmer <saf@...> Date: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:15 am Subject: Re: [Indo-Eurasia] Earliest origins of the Om/Aum concept

What if you want to call your goat and your wife _simultaneously_, Michael? :^)

Steve

On Sunday, October 30, 2005, at 07:41 AM, Michael Witzel wrote:

> Dan, > > Many short mantras (the later biija mantras) like oM have humble > origins the Veda. > > Him (hiM) is used in the Veda to call your goat .. and your wife. > > Cheers, > Michael

Excerpt from Michael Witzel's post to the same activist yahoogroup (mail headers are shown followed by the relevant excerpt):

From: Michael Witzel <witzel@...> Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:33 am Subject: Re: [Indo-Eurasia] Shamanism

Which would indicate the 'primitive' -- well: "perennial" ^:) -- origins of some forms of Indian (kundalini) Yoga. Nothing really new or unique here: just preservation of some Stone Age spiritual techniques. (Siddhis like flying [hopping in TM] must be brought under control in classical Yoga, while the Shaman actually flies upwards/downwards).

Another member of the yahoogroup, Dean Anderson, posted the following to the group (mail headers are shown followed by the relevant excerpt):

From: "vardiss" <dean_anderson@...> Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 6:47 pm Subject: Re: SV: [Indo-Eurasian_research] Aryans on Mars

Well, apparently you haven't seen the latest evidence of Aryan gods on Mars. ;-) Amazingly, the picture comes from the NASA web site. In spite of other webs sites calling it "what NASA doesn't want you to know."

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm)

Another site has another Mars face: this one is a happy face!

http://library.thinkquest.org/~6427/faces.htm (http://library.thinkquest.org/~6427/faces.htm)

I think it is incumbent on us as experts to determine which Aryan deity this represents. Or perhaps it's a Harappan "priest-king"?

Dean

Harvard University Professor proves souls of Hindus in peril

Prof. Francis X. Clooney of Harvard University has written on people of "non-Christian" religions:

Centuries of missionary work have not convinced them that their souls are in peril; they are not worried about their lack of union with Rome; they have no reason to revere the document as the work of a flawless magisterium; they will be amused or upset by its characterization of their traditions as gravely deficient; and they will want to know whether there are still good reasons why they should engage in dialogue with Roman Catholics, whatever reasons Catholics themselves might have.

This clearly proves that the souls of non-Christians are in peril.

[sampuran]

James Heitzman proves that Hinduism is inferior

A reading of the works of James Heitzman, an expert on India, will show that Hinduism is based on speculations, while Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the products of divine revelations, that the apostle St.Thomas actually existed and brought Christianity to India despite the claims of scientists that Christianity came to India no earlier than the fourth century, that Archangel Gabriel visited Prophet Mohammed and made revelations to him, and that the mummified body of Francis Xavier has survived so long is truly a miracle!

James Heitzman: Christianity came to India at the time of apostles!

Christianity, represented by almost all denominations, traces its history in India back to the time of the apostles and counted 19.6 million members in India in 1991.

James Heitzman: Islam is revealed word of God

Islam began with the ministry of the Prophet Muhammad (570-632), who belonged to a merchant family in the trading town of Mecca in Arabia. In his middle age, Muhammad received visions in which the Archangel Gabriel revealed the word of God to him. After 620 he publicly preached the message of these visions, stressing the oneness of God (Allah), denouncing the polytheism of his fellow Arabs, and calling for moral uplift of the population.

James Heitzman points out existence of miracles in Christianity

The miraculously undecayed body of Saint Francis Xavier is still on public view in a glass coffin at the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Goa.

James Heitzman: Hinduism mostly based on speculations

Some of the later hymns of the Rig Veda contain speculations that form the basis for much of Indian religious and philosophical thought.

James Heitzman: Hindus are cross-dressers, worship images and dump them

The image of Jesus used in Churches is not worshipped, nor are the statues of Virgin Mary which have miraculous powers and shed tears, but as James Heitzman correctly points out, Hindu images are worshipped by ignorant Hindus.

Families and businesses prepare for this festival by purchasing brightly painted images of Ganesh and worshiping them for a number of days. On the festival itself, with great celebration, participants bathe the images (and in most cases permanently dump them) in nearby rivers, lakes, or seas.

James Heitzman also points out that Hindus indulge in cross-dressing during one of their festivals.

Major Hindu events include Ramanavami, the birthday of Ram in the month of Chaitra (March-April), and Holi, celebrated at the end of the month of Phalguna (February-March), when people engage in cross- dressing, play tricks on each other, and squirt colored water or powder on each other.

Rebuttal to counter-arguments

The arguments against Aryan Invasion Theory are invalid. Please find below the arguments against this theory along with the rebuttal for each point.

1. Science published a paper analyzing the mitochondrial genomes and concluded that the first humans out of Africa went to India along a southern coast and then fanned out into Europe. This paper was a collaborative effort between researchers at University of Leeds, University of Oxford, University of Hamburg, Australian National University, University of Central Lancashire, University of Glasgow, Universiti Putra Malaysia, Università "La Sapienza" at Rome, Università di Pavia in Italy, National Museum of Kuala Lumpur, University of Huddersfield, and University of Glasgow. Media outlets such as New York Times, National Geographic, and BBC reported about the paper that was published in Science.

However, a reading of Prof. Stanley Wolpert's works shows that the genes were brought into India by invading hordes of Aryans. This proves that the above mentioned universities are part of a conspiracy to undermine Christianity. Fields such as genetics and stem-cell research must be banned to prevent such attacks on Christianity.

2. Geophysicist Glenn Milne of University of Durham has established that the last time when the temples at Mahabalipuram in India were above water were six thousand years ago.

A reading of Genesis and other parts of Bible clearly prove that this is impossible. The world itself was formed in 4004 B.C. Thus geophysics is not an accurate science.

3. An American collector named Harry Hicks procured a metallic antic piece from India (`head of a seer') and carbon-dating proved that it was cast around 3800 B.C. This is more than 2000 years before the supposed Aryan invasion of India.

Carbon dating of relics from excavations in Gulf of Cambay show that they are more than 9500 years old.

Carbon dating is an invalid method of estimating the age of materials. Carbon dating estimated the date of the Shroud of Turin as 13th century, but we know that it existed at the time of Jesus. Hence, it is clear that the scientists who go by carbon dating techniques are part of the same conspiracy to undermine Christianity.

4. Archaeo-zoologist K. R. Alur of Dharwad analyzed the bones excavated at Hullur in Karnataka and found them to be bones of a horse. Several such bones were excavated later. These bones were dated to 1800 B.C. to 1500 B.C., dates before the supposed invasion which also introduced the horse into India.

This is impossible because Aryan Invasion happened later and so the scientific techniques in determining the age of bones must be wrong.

[sampuran]

Conclusion

It is important for the State Board of Education to make sure that the textbooks in California do not mention anything about recent excavations, carbon dating techniques, genetic evidence, methods used by geophysicists, and the discovery of the bones of horses and various other relics. All these are conspiracies hatched by Hindus along with the faculty members in the science departments of various universities and media outlets.

Instead, our children must be taught true history based upon facts found in the Bible. For this purpose, it is important to consider the works of Max Muller and Prof. Stanley Wolpert along with the arguments of Dr. Steve Farmer and Prof. Michael Witzel.

California has always been a trendsetter and it is distressing that other states have forged ahead of California when it comes to teaching creation science. This anomaly must be corrected immediately and it can be corrected by teaching Aryan Invasion Theory which is based on creation science.

The State Board of Education must be commended for accepting the recommendations of Muslims, Jews, and Christians, but having a separate meeting to decide the recommendations of Hindus. This shows that SBE believes in being loyal to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph. This loyalty must now be taken to the next step by showing Hindus their place and teaching Aryan Invasion Theory and the underlying theory of creation science to our children.

You must disregard the claims of Hindus and make sure that you take into consideration only the demands of Christians and Indian Communists when it comes to determining what the textbooks teach about Hindus. America is a Christian nation and only the White Christian nationalist viewpoint must be considered.

Regards,
Arvind Kumar


Letter to The Duke of Argyll, 4 Feb 1875, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 1, page 509.
Letter to Bunsen on 28 Aug 1853, The Life and Letters of Friedrich
Max Muller, vol. 1, page 152.
My Autobiography by Max Muller, page 300.
Letter to Prof. Noire, 3 Feb 1878, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 43.
Letter to The Duke of Argyll, 16 Dec 1868, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 1, page 377-8.
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, page 17.
The Life and Letters of Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 411-416.
The Life and Letters of Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 419.
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, page 294.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 24.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 25.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 25.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 27.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 84.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2134 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2134)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/252 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/252)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/34 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/34)

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/dialogue/documents/articles/clooney
_dominus.html (http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/dialogue/documents/articles/clooney_dominus.html) , article originally printed in America, October 28,
2000.
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman, Library of Congress
Call Number DS407 .I4465 1996,
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: Islam –
Origins and Tenets), Library of Congress Call Number DS407 .I4465
1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: Other Minority
Religions – Christianity), Library of Congress Call Number
DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Roots of
Indian Religion – The Vedas and Polytheism), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Ceremonies
of Hinduism – Public Worship – Festivals), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Ceremonies
of Hinduism – Public Worship – Festivals), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
Single Rapid Coastal Settlement of Asia Revealed by Analysis of
Complete Mitochondrial Genomes, Science, 13 May 2005.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/underworld7.php (http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/underworld7.php)
Lost city 'could rewrite history,' BBC, 19 Jan 2002,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi /world/south_asia/1768109.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1768109.stm) .
Reported in Times of India dated 20 Apr 1990.

[sampuran]

Letter to The Duke of Argyll, 4 Feb 1875, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 1, page 509.
Letter to Bunsen on 28 Aug 1853, The Life and Letters of Friedrich
Max Muller, vol. 1, page 152.
My Autobiography by Max Muller, page 300.
Letter to Prof. Noire, 3 Feb 1878, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 43.
Letter to The Duke of Argyll, 16 Dec 1868, The Life and Letters of
Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 1, page 377-8.
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, page 17.
The Life and Letters of Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 411-416.
The Life and Letters of Friedrich Max Muller, vol. 2, page 419.
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, page 294.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 24.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 25.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 25.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 27.
A New History of India, Fifth Edition, by Stanley Wolpert, page 84.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2134 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2134)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/252 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/252)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/34 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/34)

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/dialogue/documents/articles/clooney
_dominus.html (http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/dialogue/documents/articles/clooney_dominus.html) , article originally printed in America, October 28,
2000.
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman, Library of Congress
Call Number DS407 .I4465 1996,
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: Islam –
Origins and Tenets), Library of Congress Call Number DS407 .I4465
1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: Other Minority
Religions – Christianity), Library of Congress Call Number
DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Roots of
Indian Religion – The Vedas and Polytheism), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Ceremonies
of Hinduism – Public Worship – Festivals), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
A Country Study: India, by James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden,
Chapter 3 – Religious Life by James Heitzman (section: The Ceremonies
of Hinduism – Public Worship – Festivals), Library of Congress Call
Number DS407 .I4465 1996, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/intoc.html)
Single Rapid Coastal Settlement of Asia Revealed by Analysis of
Complete Mitochondrial Genomes, Science, 13 May 2005.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/underworld7.php (http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/underworld7.php)
Lost city 'could rewrite history,' BBC, 19 Jan 2002,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1768109.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1768109.stm) .
Reported in Times of India dated 20 Apr 1990.

Call Numbers (in San Jose Public Library) of out of print books
referred in this document

The life and letters of Friedrich Max Muller vol. 1 – PJ 64.M8 A4
1976 v.1
The life and letters of Friedrich Max Muller vol. 2 – PJ 64.M8 A4
1976 v.2
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature by Max Muller – PK 2904 M8
My Autobiography by Max Muller – PJ 64 M8 A5 1901

[rkumar]

Who is this bloody Arvind Kumar? I am sure some Christian using Hindu name to confuse the matter. I am now fully convinced that Max Muller needs to be hanged in his grave. Max Muller Bhavan in Delhi needs to be demolished and Max Muller Marg's name needs to be changed. We need to tackle these Mullers more than Babris and other things..

RK^2

[arunshamli]

Who is this bloody Arvind Kumar? I am sure some Christian using Hindu name to confuse the matter. I am now fully convinced that Max Muller needs to be hanged in his grave. Max Muller Bhavan in Delhi needs to be demolished and Max Muller Marg's name needs to be changed. We need to tackle these Mullers more than Babris and other things..

RK^2

Rajender Ji , bilkul sahi bat kahi aapne...lekin mujhe toh lagta hai ke Hinduisim ko christian and islam se jayda khatra toh Hindu-o se hee hai. Why do we read max muller? Should we even care who he was? but no...we do not want to do that...I have seen Indian people saying that he has been the greatest Sanskrit scholer. Swami Dayanand was a great Sanskrit scholer and he has said in his book that max muller did not know Sanskrit. He only had compiled commnets from here and there and added his own masala in between.

try to give a koran translated by a non muslim to a muslim and he will never accept it. no body will accept the bible tranlated by a Hindu. But Hindus believe only in the translation done by foreigners. Hindus are least aware of their relegion....koi bhee kuch bhee bolta hai people start beliving. that is why we have so many beliefs in hinduism.

try to find koran and bible online and you will get thousand of website. try to find vedas on internet you will hardly see something. agar kuch milta bhee hai toh logon kee personal web site milti hai like ( asha ram bapu , satya sai baba and like that) . ye log apne apne sunate rahate hain....but you can not find all the vedas or upanishad anywhere on the internet. I have been trying to find sankhaya and vaisheshik darshan and still no success.

There are so many hindu organizations...but why do not they promote our litrature. bible wale free bible dete rahate hain logon ko...why not hindus do the same thing ....how many hindus have seen the veda books ( what to talk about reading them)

mujhe toh lagta hai ke Swamy Dayanand's name is going to disappear in next 30-50 years and everybody will start beliving that max muller, Griffith , willson were the one who translated the vedas.

unfortunately....:eek:

[rkumar]

Rajender Ji , bilkul sahi bat kahi aapne...lekin mujhe toh lagta hai ke Hinduisim ko christian and islam se jayda khatra toh Hindu-o se hee hai. Why do we read max muller? Should we even care who he was? but no...we do not want to do that...I have seen Indian people saying that he has been the greatest Sanskrit scholer. Swami Dayanand was a great Sanskrit scholer and he has said in his book that max muller did not know Sanskrit. He only had compiled commnets from here and there and added his own masala in between.

try to give a koran translated by a non muslim to a muslim and he will never accept it. no body will accept the bible tranlated by a Hindu. But Hindus believe only in the translation done by foreigners. Hindus are least aware of their relegion....koi bhee kuch bhee bolta hai people start beliving. that is why we have so many beliefs in hinduism.

try to find koran and bible online and you will get thousand of website. try to find vedas on internet you will hardly see something. agar kuch milta bhee hai toh logon kee personal web site milti hai like ( asha ram bapu , satya sai baba and like that) . ye log apne apne sunate rahate hain....but you can not find all the vedas or upanishad anywhere on the internet. I have been trying to find sankhaya and vaisheshik darshan and still no success.

There are so many hindu organizations...but why do not they promote our litrature. bible wale free bible dete rahate hain logon ko...why not hindus do the same thing ....how many hindus have seen the veda books ( what to talk about reading them)

mujhe toh lagta hai ke Swamy Dayanand's name is going to disappear in next 30-50 years and everybody will start beliving that max muller, Griffith , willson were the one who translated the vedas.

unfortunately....:eek:

Worst thing is that these VHPs, Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dals have all the time for non-sense, but no time for these anti Indian Max Mullers.. I will do my best to target this Max Muller and his landmarks in India from now on..I will organise like minded p[eople and ensure that he is pulled down at least in India. Here is a BBC link on the Aryan Invasion Theory and denounces it totally;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.shtml

One can understand, how much damage these Max Mullers have done to Indian culture and we Indians still allowing Max Muller Bhawans in India.

RK^2

[vinodks]

Anybody who followed this thread would love to read this....

Romila Thapar Defends the Aryan Invasion Theory

http://www.india-forum.com/articles/60/1/Romila-Thapar-Defends-the-Aryan-Invasion-Theory%21

Read what is exactly written in calif text-books about hinduism that created such a heated debate..... In this article such claims are questioned...

I am pasting some verbatim sentences...

Page 81: “The Vedic peoples discriminated against the Dasa, a group of people who spoke a different language that did not sound at all like Sanskrit. The Brahmins sometimes made fun of the Dasa and said that they spoke as if they had no noses. (Pinch your nose and see what you would sound like.) The Dasa had wide flat noses and long curly black hair, and the Brahmins claimed that they had darker skin and called them uncivilized barbarians, who didn’t know how to behave.”

Page 87: “The monkey king Hanuman loved Rama so much that it is said that he is present every time the Ramayana is told. So look around—see any monkeys?”

“Though they are mostly religious, some of the Vedas describe Aryan victories during their invasion of India”.

“Hindi is written with the Arabic alphabet, which uses 18 letters that stand for sounds”

“Also about this same time, tribes of people called Aryans began to move into the Indus Valley. These Aryan people came from the area around the Caspian and the Black seas. […] Eventually some of them crossed the Hindu Kush mountains into India where they slowly spread over the subcontinent”. On page 121, the book lapses to the typical Aryan invasion mode and states: “Aryan tribes fought with each other and with the people of the Indus Valley who were there before them”.

Over the centuries, Aryan religion borrowed religious ideas from the people of India. This mix of beliefs eventually became Hinduism”.

“Around 1500 BCE invaders called Aryans conquered northern India. Others believe that traces of Hinduism can be found in ancient artifacts left by India’s original settlers….Most likely, Hinduism is a blend of Aryan beliefs and the beliefs of the people they conquered”.

And other such non-sense.....

Vinod

[rkumar]

Time has come when Romilas and other historians with slave mentality will have to be thrashed in public. We have to clean up our history books from the stains which such people have put everywhere..

RK^2