Now Baba Ramdev In The Eye Of A Storm

[devdahiya]

Baba Ramdev has been accused of mixing animal bones in herbal medicines.Is it politics or a fact that was ignored by faith. Very defficult to say any thing. Any comments by worthy members?

[spdeshwal]

Dahiyaji,

Dekhne se to lagata hai ki mamla political hai.

Aur iss aarop ko lagane walli mahila Varinda karat CPM neta hein.

Baba ne Varinda ki baat ko poori tarah se nakaar diya hai.

Varinda says that because Baba is well connected with people like N D Tiwari and this is the reason that UP Govt. has not taken any action against him.

She is also Accuses Baba of keeping people as bonded labour.

On this Baba says that the people like Bhatt whom Varinda was trying to help are criminals and were involved in illegal trafficing of Animal parts.


Sateypal

[sampuran]

Media reports dont give any clue to the truth.

Look who is making the accusations.. Brinda Karat. its like the pot calling the kettle black.

The revealations should have come from some scientific institution or individual.

[rkumar]

How can one trust our politicians who are known to collect money even for raising questions in parliament. I am sure Brinda Karat is playing for her aakas from Drug MNCs. Indian masses don't bother about people like Brinda Karat..Ramdev is almost like a demi God and it will take 1000 lives for Brinda Karat to paint Ramdev black.. India is proud of people like Ramdev.

Now coming to use of bones in medicine. Bones are an important source of Calcium and are used extensively in many industrial applications, including fertilisers. Gelatine , which is made out of animal bones, is extensively used in house hold paints and other adhesives.

RK^2

[puneetsheoran]

Ramdev: Coke and Karat targeting me
Pioneer News Service / Lucknow
In a prompt rejoinder to CPI-M leader Brinda Karat's allegations that animal parts and human bones were being used in ayurvedic medicines prepared by his pharmacy, Baba Ramdev said he was ready for a probe into the matter and accused Karat of acting at the behest of multi-national companies.

Alleging that ever since he began his campaign against Cola companies and allopathic drugs, MNCs had been targeting him, he said, "There is a ploy to destroy my entire effort of restoring yoga culture in the Indian family.''

Terming the allegations of using non-vegetarian substances in his herbal drugs as baseless, Swami Ramdev said in Lucknow on Tuesday that his firm, Divya Yog Pharmacy manufactured drugs in keeping with ayurvedic standards and had been certified by the Government.

Samples of medicines prepared by Divya Yog Pharmacy had never been collected officially and, therefore, no testing was carried out to ascertain whether it contained animal parts and human bones, he added.

He said that there were two separate companies, namely Divya Pharmacy and Divya Yog Pharmacy and the one whose samples were collected was not his.

Brinda Karat had alleged that Ramdev's medicines not only contained animal and human parts but also violated licensing and labelling provisions.

Sample this!

* Unlike norms for drugs testing, the alleged samples were not collected by independent health inspectors or state drug controllers, but by CPI(M) leader Brinda Karat herself

* Samples collected and sent by Ms Karat to Department of AYUSH for examination were labelled Divya Pharmacy, Rishikesh in Uttranchal. Ramdev's unit is Dviya Yog Pharmacy, Khankal near Haridwar.

* Joint Secretary's letter to Ms Karat, which was distributed to media, said analysis report of the samples had been received. But did not say whether or not the Ayurvedic medicines contained animal parts and human skulls, as alleged by the CPI(M) leader.

* The letter said prima facie there was a violation of "licensing and labelling" provisions anda sked the Uttranchal Governemnt to pursue the matter under Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1940

[devdahiya]

Now Baba Ramdev has dared the govt to collect fresh samples and have them tested under strict parameters with fairness. Let us see what comes out of that? The issue is getting snowballed into a huge political outbursts.

[pup030]

To begin with why are we hell bent upon making heroes or villians out of people doing their own thing. Let the Baba and Vrinda Karat go to hell. If the Baba is truthful then let him sue Vrinda for damages and to pursue the other legal remedy in the form of a criminal complaint for defamation.

Why should the general public get into these petty matters raked by vested politicians and Babas. We Indians have a tendency of commenting on and taking up issue with regard to anything and everything on this planet while missing out on what is vital and critical.

How can one be sure that the Baba and Vrinda karat are not in league to stay in the news. Shock yourself out of this existence my friends where we follow the tag shown by someone who prompts us into the negative and positive comments. We only stand to lose time and the gain accrues to the people like Baba and Vrinda.

Each of these people is out to bake there own politican bread or otherwise. I totally concur with the view expressed by Sampuran Bhai.

Think about that...


Dhiren Singh
Advocate

[devdahiya]

To begin with why are we hell bent upon making heroes or villians out of people doing their own thing. Let the Baba and Vrinda Karat go to hell. If the Baba is truthful then let him sue Vrinda for damages and to pursue the other legal remedy in the form of a criminal complaint for defamation.

Why should the general public get into these petty matters raked by vested politicians and Babas. We Indians have a tendency of commenting on and taking up issue with regard to anything and everything on this planet while missing out on what is vital and critical.

How can one be sure that the Baba and Vrinda karat are not in league to stay in the news. Shock yourself out of this existence my friends where we follow the tag shown by someone who prompts us into the negative and positive comments. We only stand to lose time and the gain accrues to the people like Baba and Vrinda.

Each of these people is out to bake there own politican bread or otherwise. I totally concur with the view expressed by Sampuran Bhai.

Think about that...


Dhiren Singh
Advocate



No harm in discussing dear. Why show such a frustration? Cheers !

[hamendra]

Please can any one, make it clear that, RamDev Baba is JAT/Yadav. Somewhere, I have read that, he belongs from Farmer family in Haryana.



But no doubt about it, that he has given the revolution of YOGA again to our country.

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[rkumar]

To me whole story looks like a conspiracy in which sacked employees of Ramdev's pharmacy went to CPM backed labour union and came out with plans to damage the reputation of Baba Ramdev. Congress government at the centre is too week to counter CPM. Now wonder people have come out in street to support Ram Dev ji. Whole method of sending smaples and then publishing reports is questionable and appears pre-fabricated. Where were all these sacked workers sleeping when they knew that animal and human parts were being mixed with medicines ? If Karat is trying Baba through media then public also has every right to come into streets and face these Anti national communists. As far as Indian courts are concerned, less said the better. We all know how long a court will take to decide the matter and findings will never find any mention in media. Damage will be done by that time. Most balanced news item on this is;

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front_page&file_name=story2.txt&counter_img=2

Branda Karat needs to be thrashed in public for taking law in her own hands and damaging the icons of Indian culture/ heritage.

RK^2

[downtoearth]

ya hamendra he is yaday ,,and he is from kalwa gurukul near jind..

[arvind_tomar]

Ramdev was born as Ramkishan at Alipur, in Mahendragarh district of Haryana; he studied up to Class 8 in Shahjadpur and then joined a gurukul in Khanpur village to learn Sanskrit. From there he went to Jind district and joined the Kalva gurukul and later imparted free yoga training to villagers across Haryana. His Himalaya odyssey was to do penance and hone his yogic skills.
for more information below is the link
http://www.swamiramdev.info/newsonnt.htm

[dahiyars]

Dear all,

My reaction are in form of a ragni. Please download and go through
R.S.Dahiya

[devdahiya]

Kya baat hei Dr saheb.....kassutti kavita likh daali. Dil khush ho gya.....sachai te baad mei aati rehgi samne. Good work done.

[rkumar]

Dear all,

My reaction are in form of a ragni. Please download and go through
R.S.Dahiya

Sorry Dahiya Sahab. Your views are on expected lines and typical of a Allopathic doctor....

RK^2

[sampuran]

We all know how long a court will take to decide the matter and findings will never find any mention in media. Damage will be done by that time. Most balanced news item on this is;

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front_page&file_name=story2.txt&counter_img=2

Branda Karat needs to be thrashed in public for taking law in her own hands and damaging the icons of Indian culture/ heritage.

RK^2


That surely she deserves. Better still if she can spend rest of her time in Siberia learning how well the Russian Communists treated theiir own countrymen

[sheelchaudhary]

ramram ,wakil sahab ,if ur time is too precious then why da hell do u come to this site --this is matter of a very good indian -baba ramdev n we sud discuss abt it --we r not talikn' abt mallika sherawat here--so in future save ur precious time--ram dev baba is a great man n dat lady is a politician who is under da influence of some companies ,so she is shoutin' against baba ---jatland is da site where we share ur views n learn somethin' frm others --so don' tell not to talk abt this matter--m sorry if i said somethin' offensive--ram ram --sheel chaudhary--------------------------------------aadmi ko ati seedha bhi nahi hona chahiye,jungle mein sabse phle seedhe ped hi kat te hain--chankya:)

[rkumar]

This is what one of our own Jat professor G.S. Tomar, Principal of the Government Ayurveda College, Handia has to say on the subject;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922_1591005,0015002500010000.htm

Its unfortunate that our politicians use unfair means to malign our national icons in media where issues are sensationalised in front of public who hardly knows the subject. Attack is not on Baba Ramdev but on India culture and on our national heritage. CPM and irresponsible media needs to be put in place. Public actions alone can save nation under such circumstances.

Rajendra

[mukeshkumar007]

Attack is not on Baba Ramdev but on India culture and on our national heritage. CPM and irresponsible media needs to be put in place. Public actions alone can save nation under such circumstances.
Rajendra

these people won't success in their selfish aim, Indian culture and our national heritage is deeply rooted in Indian blood, none can destroy it whether it is CPM ( Vranda Karant) or MNCs..

[narenderkharb]

The way any person can insult Icons of Indian culture(Baba Ramdev Sankaracharya) is really Shocking.
Have Varindha karat ever bothered what these Mncs are mixing in FMCG
Why had she never thought about Indian sentiments then?
Comerades are basically blackmailers,with no sentiments for this nation.



There were romantic stories about this seneior karat which should be probed too.

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[rkumar]

it seems who nation is rock solid behind Ramdev. Here are the views of people from all walks of life;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1590971,0093.htm

Media and Karats should know that there is a limit to which public can tolerate their nonsense.

RK^2

[dahiyars]

Press release of CPM on 5th is as under
January 5, 2006

Press Statement
The Polit Bureau of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) has issued the following statement:

The reported statement of the Uttaranchal Chief Minister Shri N.D. Tiwari that the issues raised about adulteration of medicines in a pharmacy in his state is a personal one between Shri Ramdevji and Brinda Karat is extremely surprising and unfortunate.

There are two issues involved in the matter. The first is the violation of labour laws in the pharmacy owned by Shri Ramdev. 110 workers have been illegally dismissed after they protested for not being paid the minimum wage and overtime. The second is the testing of the samples of two medicines from his pharmacy by the health ministry which has confirmed the presence of animal matter whereas they are labeled as herbal medicines.

To divert attention from these issues, wild and also personalized allegations are being made. There is no question of any opposition to yoga, ayurveda or any other indigenous medicines. However, these medicines are to be dispensed with utmost transparency according to official regulations and if there is any violation it must be checked and suitable measures taken against wrong doings. A proper investigation is called for.

The N.D. Tiwari government should also immediately ensure reinstatement of the workers dismissed.

[devdahiya]

Now one CPM minister from Bengal says that there is nothing wrong with Baba or his medicines. Hope Varinda Ma'm is listening?

[parda]

Ek he sawal hae.
kya usne jaanwaroon ke hadiyaan dawaiion mein milaye kya nahe?
vichar acahhar koi mayaane nahee rakhatee.
koi communist ilzaam lagaa raahaa hae iseee ka jurm see kya matlab hae?:cool:
jurm kiya kya naheen?

[devdahiya]

Ek he sawal hae.
kya usne jaanwaroon ke hadiyaan dawaiion mein milaye kya nahe?
vichar acahhar koi mayaane nahee rakhatee.
koi communist ilzaam lagaa raahaa hae iseee ka jurm see kya matlab hae?:cool:
jurm kiya kya naheen?



Pardeep, throw some light on the question you are asking dear. What do you feel.......use your gut feeling and pour your views.

[anildabas1701]

Pata Nahi Kaun Sach Bol Raha Hai, Kaun Jhooth..............................
Politics Hai Hi Gandi............................................. .........................
Par Sadhu Santoon Par Bhi Vishwas Nahi Kiya Ja Sakta...................
May Be Mnc's Are Playing Some Game.............................................. .
Or It May Be A Fact That There Is Some Adulteration In Medicine...
No One Knows Whats The Truth............................................. ........
We Can Just Hope For The Fair Reults.....nothing Else

[devdahiya]

Matter has died its own death it seems.........hope it is over for good?

[devdahiya]

No it has not died down yet. One of his associates has accused BABA of mixing the bones in medicines...................It is going to be a long drawn drama i suppose.

[vijay]

I would like to put my honest thoughts about this controversy.

First : I think it's just a political issue at all.

Second : Who cares if Baba Ramdev mixing bones in medicines. Do you know exactly what is mixed in allopathic medicines? We take them happily. How many people are non-veg here ?. They kill animals just for the taste. If his medicines are benefitting the human beings then what is wrong with that. One thing is sure, he doesn't kill humans or animals for their bones. Baba Ramdev is doing this (mixing bones or not) for the benefit of human beings. He is not doing anything wrong. That's my conclusion.

Is my answer justified ?

[arunshamli]

I have read about him on his web site http://www.swamiramdev.info/aboutme.htm. He claimes to have studied the follwoing :

Ashtadhyayi , Mahabhashya, Upnishads, and the six systems(Nyaya darshan, mimansa darsahn , vedant darshan, yoga darshan , sankhya darsahn and vaishesik darshan) of Indian Philosophy and vedas.

All these are the holy books of sanatan dharam( which is known as Hindu religion today).

I my self have read Patanjal yoga darshan. Those who do not know who is patanjal, he was a great rishi of ancient time who was a greate philosopher of vedas and he was the one wrote the first book on yoga. todys yoga system is based on his philosophy only.




in my opinion what baba Ramdev is doing is not correct. Yajurveda mantra 7/4 states that yoga philosophy is meant to realize God while discharging or illusion etc. So is the voice of all other three Vedas specially Saamveda. no Veda say that yoga philosophy is meant to cure the disease or to make good health.

Base of the yoga philosophy is brahmacharya which comes in yam and Niyam. Which are not being followed. Second sutra of Yog shastra of rishis Patanjali says to the total stoppage of Chitta Vritti is called yoga and yoga means Samadhi and Samadhi means realization of God. If someone is desirous to make his health good by asan and pranayaam then Ravan, Duryodhan, Kans was very healthy without yoga asan. And our ancient wrestlers, sportsmen and present too are having good health without yoga philosophy.

if one say to the public that Yog philosophy will enable you to realize God then no one will take interest. And when someone will say that yoga will finish your illness then everybody will come to learn yoga asan. And most of the people made this pious philosophy who earned the money which is again against the Vedas. The same thing is happening in western world. people have made it a business.

yoga has eight limbs( yam, niyam , asan , pranayam , pratyahar, dharna, dhyan and samadhi). again there are 5 yams(satya , ahinsa , asteya , bramcharya , aprigraha) and these are 5 niyams(showch, santosh, tap, swadhayay, ishwar parnidhan). That is why it is called ashtang yoga.

now these people know if you teach all this no one will be interested in the yoga philosophy. so out of those 8 limbs they have choosen asan and pryanyam. and in dono ko hee yoga kahana shuru kar diya hai. meat eating is not allowed, but these so called yoga teacher know, it is impossible in USA to ask someone to give up meat. so they have started saying you can eat whatever you like. kul milakar asan( which is nothing but physical excersice) ko hee yoga ka naam de diya hai and logo ko loot rahe hain. people think that yoga gives peace of mind. which is true only if you practice all the things I have mentioned above. aajkal bhagdod ke jamane people have lost there peace of mind and they need some shortcut to bring it back. and is dunia ka yahi dastoor hai....kisi ki bevkoofi ka koi dusra fayda uthata hai....these so called yoga school are making million of money. hamari purani sanskrit and yog vidya ka sahara lekar. But that is wrong.


and if mixing the bone help a patient there is nothing wrong in it.


lekin ye baba pahale se hee culture ka sahara lekar public ko ullu bana raha hai. Log usko Doctor samajh kar nahi jate hain...log uske pas shradha se jate hain....he has misused the public emotions....even if he does anything wrong now, no one will beleive. aise log achche nahi hote hain....If he is a doctor he has to act like a doctor and not like a super human.

[devdahiya]

I have read about him on his web site http://www.swamiramdev.info/aboutme.htm. He claimes to have studied the follwoing :






Thanx Arun for giving insight into Yoga. good information this.

[drjatin]

BHAIYA EK BAAT SAMAGH MEIN KONI AATI KI AGAR MEDICINES MEIN BONES HAIN BHE(wHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY) BABA RAMDEV KA BATAYA YOGA KARNE MEIN KYA BURAI HAI

MANY PEOPLE INXCLUDING MY PARENTS ARE PRACTISING YOGA TOLD BY BABA RAMDEV AND BELIEVE ME PEOPLE FEEL MUCH MENTALLY RELAXED AFTER YOGA THEN ANY OTHETR METHOD OF RELAXATION


TRUE JAT - TRUSTFUL, LOYAL, HONEST

[devdahiya]

BHAIYA EK BAAT SAMAGH MEIN KONI AATI KI AGAR MEDICINES MEIN BONES HAIN BHE(wHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY) BABA RAMDEV KA BATAYA YOGA KARNE MEIN KYA BURAI HAI

MANY PEOPLE INXCLUDING MY PARENTS ARE PRACTISING YOGA TOLD BY BABA RAMDEV AND BELIEVE ME PEOPLE FEEL MUCH MENTALLY RELAXED AFTER YOGA THEN ANY OTHETR METHOD OF RELAXATION


TRUE JAT - TRUSTFUL, LOYAL, HONEST



Bakwaad karraniya tei bakkwaade krregga....Let these people say anything against baba Ramdev ji.....but i am sure that he will be worshiped like God in times to come!

[netrapalsingh]

ye vivad to bhoot pahale uttha tha ek lady ne is vivad ko shuru kiya tha
or baba ramdev ke kuch chele the jo unse alag ho gaye the lkin uska koi
bhee praman nahi mila. baba ramdev ke bare me jyada kahana mai uchit
nahi samajta lekin yog or prannayam ko jis tarah ghar ghar me pahucha
hai ye tarif ke kabil hai.

prannayam mera ajmaya hua hai mai roj early in the morning 4 a.m.
prannayam karta hoo jiske parinaam bhee mere samne hai mere kai
jankar hai jo pranayam karke vibhinn prakar kee bimariyo se mukti
paa chuke hai. kai taja example hai hart ke blockage khulne ke
mere pass yaha tak brain tumar theek hone ke. meri sanstha me
ek bhatiji hai jinke dharmpatni ko doctor ne 9 sal pahale braintumar
bataya tha unhone AIMS me check karwaya waha doctor ne
6 mahine tak hee life ka kaha lekin wo kahi se ramdev kee CD le aye
or aapko yah sunkar aschary hoga wo lady aaj bhee jee rahee hai
or poori tarah se swasth hai agar kisi ko check karna ho to mai unka
phone no desakta hoo.

jaha tak medicine ka sawal to alopethic me har dawai kisi janwar hee
haddi se, uskee khal se, kisi kee tel se bantee hai or hamare aaj
ke doctor goo mutra ko poision batate hai parantu aayurved me
ise amrut mana gaya hai or baba ramdev ne ise cancer ke liye
ram ban bataya hai.

netra......

[devdahiya]

ye vivad to bhoot pahale uttha tha ek lady ne is vivad ko shuru kiya tha
or baba ramdev ke kuch chele the jo unse alag ho gaye the lkin uska koi
bhee praman nahi mila. baba ramdev ke bare me jyada kahana mai uchit
nahi samajta lekin yog or prannayam ko jis tarah ghar ghar me pahucha
hai ye tarif ke kabil hai.

prannayam mera ajmaya hua hai mai roj early in the morning 4 a.m.
prannayam karta hoo jiske parinaam bhee mere samne hai mere kai
jankar hai jo pranayam karke vibhinn prakar kee bimariyo se mukti
paa chuke hai. kai taja example hai hart ke blockage khulne ke
mere pass yaha tak brain tumar theek hone ke. meri sanstha me
ek bhatiji hai jinke dharmpatni ko doctor ne 9 sal pahale braintumar
bataya tha unhone AIMS me check karwaya waha doctor ne
6 mahine tak hee life ka kaha lekin wo kahi se ramdev kee CD le aye
or aapko yah sunkar aschary hoga wo lady aaj bhee jee rahee hai
or poori tarah se swasth hai agar kisi ko check karna ho to mai unka
phone no desakta hoo.

jaha tak medicine ka sawal to alopethic me har dawai kisi janwar hee
haddi se, uskee khal se, kisi kee tel se bantee hai or hamare aaj
ke doctor goo mutra ko poision batate hai parantu aayurved me
ise amrut mana gaya hai or baba ramdev ne ise cancer ke liye
ram ban bataya hai.

netra......



Bilkul kharri baat aur sachchi baat Netrapal ji.

[chhillar]

Bakwaad karraniya tei bakkwaade krregga....Let these people say anything against baba Ramdev ji.....but i am sure that he will be worshiped like God in times to come!

That's the problem with our people either they worship people like God or they butcher like animals...how about the middle path

I have no problem with some body selling things, concepts etc for whatever prices, no problem at all. In fact I bought a DVD of Ram Dev last year. I hear all kinds of bad words about Ram Dev from people in Haridwar but never pay attention to it as the criticism could be just due to competition between Ashrams or akharads and then more importantly what you get at the end is obviously good in the shape yoga or medicines.

Wahhe baat se…paid gin ne ak aam khaane…eeb aaam meethe hon arr maali ki chhori bhaj ri ho to ke aam khaate ho gyaan ge

Having a respectable level of skepticism is still not bad at all. Swami Vivekananda himself wrote that his guru always was in favor of being skeptic about gurus and yogis until they know them enough. This is just part of the validation of a process or person. We should not have problem with this.

[devdahiya]

That's the problem with our people either they worship people like God or they butcher like animals...how about the middle path

I have no problem with some body selling things, concepts etc for whatever prices, no problem at all. In fact I bought a DVD of Ram Dev last year. I hear all kinds of bad words about Ram Dev from people in Haridwar but never pay attention to it as the criticism could be just due to competition between Ashrams or akharads and then more importantly what you get at the end is obviously good in the shape yoga or medicines.

Wahhe baat se…paid gin ne ak aam khaane…eeb aaam meethe hon arr maali ki chhori bhaj ri ho to ke aam khaate ho gyaan ge

Having a respectable level of skepticism is still not bad at all. Swami Vivekananda himself wrote that his guru always was in favor of being skeptic about gurus and yogis until they know them enough. This is just part of the validation of a process or person. We should not have problem with this.




Got a point there.What i was saying straight..you brought it out indirectly.Question is of Respetability of Skepticism and measurement there of?Good inputs Amit.

[chhillar]

Got a point there.What i was saying straight..you brought it out indirectly.Question is of Respetability of Skepticism and measurement there of?Good inputs Amit.

Thanks veer mereya!

[devdahiya]

Thanks veer mereya!


My pleasure your highness!!