Haryana Overseas Placement Assistance Society.

[rkumar]

Haryana Governemnt has constituted a Haryana Overseas Placement Assistance Society.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060113/haryana.htm#6

as per above link, "the society would have 10 official members and two non-official members with the Financial Commissioner and Principal Secretary, Labour and Employment Department, as its chairperson. The two non-official members would be representatives of the PHD Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the CII.

The society would provide information, guidance and assistance in connection with opportunities available for overseas studies and placements. All 61 employment exchanges in the state would function as facilitation centres of the society.

The society would obtain the Certificate of Registration under the Emigration Act, 1983, from the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs and thereafter, an Overseas Placement Bureau would be set up. The bureau would function as a recruiting agent for the purpose of overseas placements."

I wonder how effective this society would be to help people find overseas placements ? How two reps from PHD chambers of Commerece and Industry and the CII will guide the society ? Whole thing appears lopsided. What sort of overseas labour market this society will cater? How this society will help specialised professionals who need licences to practice in specific countries? How about language efficiency tests requirements of specific countries? How will this society coordinate all these things? Or will it be just an excuse for some society members to make foreign visits in the name of exploring overseas labour markets?

Rajendra

[dahiyarules]

I dont know how much of a successful or exploited this idea would be.

Instead of creating "jobs" and "educational opportunities" in Haryana, the government wants you to try somewhere else.

Think.

[jagmohan]

RK Ji,

Actually this overall placement cell drama was started by the Chautala Govt. May be he got busy in elections and this scheme was put on the back burner. Now the 'Babu Log' have woken up I suppose. Govt's honeymoon period is over and the public has started asking questions about jobs, power and other issues.

I don't know whether this placement cell would do something worthwhile or not. But I am 100% sure that 'Babu Log' videsh ki sair jaroor kar ke aaveinge. And if this cell gets involved in recruiting labor for the Middle East then corruption will set in even before it starts functioning. But to give the government a fair chance, we should wait and see what good it does for the needy.

Till then let wait and watch.

Regards,

JS Malik

[dahiyarules]

Jagmohan Sir!

You are elderly and experienced. I admire you for it.

You have seen the world and been in situations more than I have.

So how many "fair chances" do you want to give the government.

The way you and others talk about government failures and corruption gives me a feeling that you realize that the institution of government is a total failure. What amazes me even more is that you are still willing to give the government another "fair chance," after all that they have put us through.

I know that my ranting is not music to your ears. But, I shallnot rest in peace till I make everyone hate the institution of government.


RK Ji,

Actually this overall placement cell drama was started by the Chautala Govt. May be he got busy in elections and this scheme was put on the back burner. Now the 'Babu Log' have woken up I suppose. Govt's honeymoon period is over and the public has started asking questions about jobs, power and other issues.

I don't know whether this placement cell would do something worthwhile or not. But I am 100% sure that 'Babu Log' videsh ki sair jaroor kar ke aaveinge. And if this cell gets involved in recruiting labor for the Middle East then corruption will set in even before it starts functioning. But to give the government a fair chance, we should wait and see what good it does for the needy.

Till then let wait and watch.

Regards,

JS Malik

[devdahiya]

Jagmohan Sir!

You are elderly and experienced. I admire you for it.

You have seen the world and been in situations more than I have.

So how many "fair chances" do you want to give the government.

The way you and others talk about government failures and corruption gives me a feeling that you realize that the institution of government is a total failure. What amazes me even more is that you are still willing to give the government another "fair chance," after all that they have put us through.

I know that my ranting is not music to your ears. But, I shallnot rest in peace till I make everyone hate the institution of government.



Your views have substance dear but Malik sir bhi aur ke karein batta. He also feels like you but with a differance i suppose.

[positivelook]

Dear Members

Rk Uncle i think ur last point abt visits of officer to foreign country is right abt this concept. This Placement cell is totally a joke and i dont think they can run these cells efficiently.
Jagmohan Sir Appne Chautala ka naam toh le diya par baad mein Babu Logon ka jikar kar diya ke baat Congress govt. keh dete toh ke ho jaata. If i m right Ch. Birender Singh Finance minister has announced abt these cells around 4-5 months ago so this is a Hooda govt. Decision and i think this kind of cells will be batting on backfoot soon.
Haryana govt. is announcing one new thing every day but i wonder when they will start these policies and when these will finish. So many announcements so far with in a year but no implementation Hooda Govt. is shrinking in the masses.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[spdeshwal]

Bhai Sumit,

Atti Ashawadhi hona bhi theek nahi lekin iske shiwa Colnel Sahab ke paas chara bhi kya hai.

I Agree when you say that 'Elected Governments' aren't delivering and Haryana Govt is no exception.

My Question is, do we have any alternative to this short of governance?

This may be slightly out of context here but could you please eleborate your 'Anarcho Capitalism'?

[raj2rif]

Dear Sumit,
I have not understood your view about hating the institution of Government. If it is not the government, then what system you want to have to run the societies and nations? I am sure to have a civilized way of living, there needs to be laws and an organization responsible for implementing them. That is what to my understanding is the Government having three important branches of judiciary, legislative and Executive.

May be your outbrust is because of the type of people who come to these administrative positions. But hating the institution of government may not be the right thing to do.

If you have any thing in mind that you feel would be a better way to run the nation, then may be you may like to start a new thread to have a meaningful discussion specially targetted to the point you are trying to make.

Can we have an illustration of the point you are trying to make?

[betaal]

Governmenet is bad, bad, bad. Government does nothing except prolong things and hire speople who get up at 10 am. and shuffle 2 piece of paper all day long. Then they have a job for life, take 2 hour lunch breaks, ask for bribes. Rest of the time is spent playing politics, and talking on the phone.
say yes for free enterprise no for government.

[dahiyarules]

Hey All!

I appreciate this opportunity that my seniors have provided me to make my point.

I do no wish to cause any ill feelings, since most of you have held government jobs. Even my father was an Army officer and my mother is a civillian employee in the Air force. So I can relate to you.

Evolution is the hallmark of human civilization. Humans have evolved over the ages. We have come a long way from living in jungles to stepping on the moon. The organization of human society has evolved too. We moved to caves from the Jungles. Then we started having companions. Soon we started living in groups of families. This group grew into tribes. Several tribes formed nation states. The nation states began to be ruled by Kings. The quest for more power led the despotic Kings to invade other nations. This led to empires. Empires grew only to collapse some day. Even the British empire saw its sunset one day.

The quest for power and control is a very natural human tendency. The strong rule, while the weak serve. As human societies became more civilized, the human tendecy of the weak to serve, was no longer as strong as before. This led to the formation of Republics and Democracies.

A lot has changed. But, one fact still remains true. The strong still rule, and the weak still serve. The strong rule by getting "elected" to offices, and exploiting the resources of their constituency. The weak serve by exercising their right to vote. No matter who you vote for, he will be your master for the time he holds the office.

Keeping in view the evolution of political thought, I would like to say that the human immunity to exploitation has become weaker with times. We are living in freer societies. The crutch of governments is falling apart. As "democratically elected' governments fail to deliver, people are becoming more efficient by fending for themselves and depending lesser and lesser on their "elected officials."The need for government is falling every day. We are moving in a direction when we will live in "government free" socieites. Since we already do pretty much everyhting for ourselves, on our own, the day is not far when we will totally reject the wasteful institution of government.

But, the evil refuses to leave easily. Governments provide us the reason why we need them, while we search for every reason that we dont need them. They say that they will protect us and feed our poor. But protect us from whom? From another government? Yes, atleast thats what they say. The Indian government protects us from The Pakistani Government. In Pakistan, the government tells the people that they protect them from the Indian government. While we are made to feel that Pakistan will attack us, the Pakistanis are made to feel India will attack them. we all are being fooled by our governments. At the end of the day, a Dictator calls the shots in Pakistan. On the other hand, In India an Italian widow or a Hindu fanatic take turns calling the shots. But the fact of life is that we continue serving our representatives, whether they are elcted or not. We are the slaves of the institution that we feed with our hard earned money, and all we get in return is a promise to be protected from another "Government."

If today all government was to be gone with wave of a magic wand, nothing is going to change. After all, how much we use the government during our normal course of life. But the fearmongers will keep scaring us into believing that if the government were gone, it would lead to an equivalent of an Apocalypse. If today the government were gone, I am not going out of my house killing and pillagin, robbing houses and raping women. I do not think either of you is going to do any of it either. But, then I just wish. I always wished for something all my life, and I never got any of it. Thats why wishes are called so. Wishes dont happen easily.

Evolution is a slow process. I really do not expect all government to be gone tomorrow morning. But I can see it happening slowly. We all will agree that times have changed drastically, as government has liberalized its hold over the economy. Most of us are reaping benefits, that we hardly even imagined. This is not even the slightest fraction of what can be achieved. I want the government to loosen its hold further, thus giving the citizens more choices. Since, the amount of services provided by the government will fall, I want te government to reduce our tax bills. I want the citizens to have the power to decide how they want to spend their money, how they want to invest it, what they want to buy, where they want to live, where they want their children to study, what they want them to study and so on.

Life and liberty are like siamese twins. They both go on together. One is meaningless without the other. To have a better quality of life, we need more liberty. Themost imediate way to achieve higher liberty and a better quality of life is by reducing government and giving ourselves a better freedom to choose.

The most pioneering way to reduce government is to reject government provided services and adopt privately provided services wherever possible. In most cases, privately proved services are more economical, efficient and consumer frinedly, in the long run. We must strive for a strong spirit of entreprenuership. Young and budding entreprenuers need to be motivated. Alternatives need to explored and exploited.

I once told Dev Sir in one of my private messages: To change tomorrow, we need to change our way of doing things today. If you really think that it is high time for a change, then stop subjecting yourself to the brutality of government. Reject the auhority. Wake up and claim your liberty.

Now I will answer some of the issues that worthy members mentioned.

Q: Do we have an alternative to Government?

A: Yes we do have an alternative to a government. The government doesnt want you to find one though. If someone were to loose when all government is gone, its none other than the government itself.As governments allow citizens to o more on their own, citizens take this opportunity to exploit the alternatives. Millions fly private airlines in India. Millions are swithing from MTNL and BSNL telephone services to Reliance and Indicom. Private banking institutions are thriving. We have more choice when it comes to what we drive, compared to the days when all we could choose from were govenrment owned Hindustan Motors and Maruti Udyog cars. Most of us try to send our children to private schools. Alternatives exist, and we exploit them whenever govenrment allows us to do this.

As this happens, government is loosing control over us. They try to retain control by passing new laws and legislations and punish those who try to challenge the auhority.

Q: What is "Anarcho-Capitalism?"

A. It is just a term used to describe a system based on less government and more private entreprenuership.

Q: What about law and order?

A: Law is subjective. It reminds of the most famous courtroom one liner of the last century. Johnny Cochran saidin defense of OJ Simpson: "If the glove does not fit, you will have to acquit."

Every society has bad elements. We need rules and regulations to put these parasites under control. But, we the citizens make the rules and regulations. I am in favor of private law enforcement. Please read this article and you will understand what I am talking about:

http://www.mises.org/story/1874

Q: Did I have a bad experience with government?

A. hahaha. Heck yea. I guess everyone has had their own share of bad experiences with government. I can see the staunchest socialist elements on this website complaining about the way things are. Did I really ahve to answer this one?

I dont want our worthy members to ignore this post as random ranting on my part. People have given their entire lifetimes to lay the foundations of "Libertarian" thought. This is the only system that doesnt subject you to the wrath of its authority. I would really like to know why anyone would choose to keep being subjected to authority when Liberty is knocking your doors.

[spdeshwal]

Bhai Bhairav,

Swagat hai aap ka jatland par!

Could you please through some light on the phrase 'free enterpise'.

How a democratically elected govt can be replaced by this?

Do you mean 'no control' whatsoever?

[rkumar]

Overseas placement cannot be taken in isolation at employment exchange level. These recruitment agencies must interface themselves with the training institutions. Overseas labour market does not work like India where UPSC places an advertisement and then takes years to recruit. Overseas job market fluctuates like stock market and any agency must keep tab almost on daily basis. Training institutions has to be geared to adjust their training methods as per labour market needs. Students have to be sensitised to the various needs of foreign employers from day zero and have to be trained accordingly. There has to be complete coordination between education department and the labour department/ Overseas Placement Society. There are already a large number of private players in the market who recruit on the behalf of foreign employers. It would be more beneficial if this society involves such organisations also in its efforts as they already know the tricks of trade.

RK^2

[raj2rif]

Dear Sumit,

Very well explained. I really appreciate your effort in doing so. I would however request you to post this on a new thread where we can concentrate on this discussion alone and do not steal the show of the original thread. I would comment on your views on the new thread.

[rkumar]

Words from Infosys Chairman NR Narayana Murthy has lots of relevance;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1599114,0008.htm

Issue of unemployment needs to addressed in a composit manner and not in piece-meal manner. Our education system has to be made proactive to our needs. We need to act on war footing and not in a relaxed manner.

Rajendra

[ratananmol]

Dear Sumit:
your answer is well laid out but it has more of activist flavor. Since you have read economics you may have heard about "Arrow's Impossiblity Theorem" which says that if equal weight is to be used to each opinion then a majority vote regime can lead to intransitive preferences: in essence it means that either you need dictator or the society can end up making intransitive preferences. The problem is that despite the flaws majority vote is the most acceptable way to aggregate social preferences. In the science of social welfare and collective choice this was a powerful result and this problem is resolved only if additional constraints are imposed.
Let us reflect what governments have achieved in last 200 years and you will be surprised that the progress is far more convincing without the kind of coordination that plagued the planet for long. I know wonderful people like you (and others who want to teach me "Sanskars") because of scientific growth that has occured within fairly democratic regimes; i dont have to roam around in forests to eat food and my descendents will be able to use the knowledge i will create. I know there is corruption but this is a human problem rather than the problem of the governments; if these evil tendencies can not be removed and governments are removed we would end up killing each other rather than stealing or laundering money. It is just that in modern times the intelligent is the mighty and ideas influence our lives more than an individual or regime.
It is not a good idea to reject governance because there are flaws. And most probably in a regime without currency (which is backed by governments) you and me would become unemployed.

[spdeshwal]

I fully agree with you Rk ji on your views on overseas recruitment system, specially the Developed countries where most recruitments are carried out by Private consultants...including senior post like VCs and Secretaries in ministries. At least screanning and short listing is done by these agencies.

Therefore outcome of this newly coceived Haryana govt's Overseas ecruitment society is so much depend on the motive and intent of those behind settin up and responsible for smooth and fair management. Also what outside consultants are hired. What is their credibility and standing in the market of that country.
It also depend on quality of condidates sponsored by our govt agency entruted with this task.

Dar yahi hai ki beaurocrats isse mauj masti ka saadhan ne bannayne aur bhai bhatijja-waad na chalayne.

I am optimist and wish this scheme succeeds. Aasha hai govt. or beaurocrats ki niyat sahi hogi.

[positivelook]

hello members

I dont think these placement cells can be successful in Haryana. wht i think is that all these placements cells will be like the other employement beauros where all unemployed will register their name and it is possible that when we see the list of jobs we dont find the names of anyone who is listed in employement beauro. So whts the use of these cells is totally out of my mind. Who are the target audience of these cells ? People who live in cities and who get well education in private schools or the people who live in rural areas so a bit clarification is needed here from govt. Govt. of Haryana should have a clue abt thje target audience. Is Haryana govt. officers are capable in finding jobs in overseas market for the job seekers , i dont think so. Yes there may be one possibility here is that Placement cell officers can find out a way to visit overseas on govt. funds or they can send their relatives on govt. funds. So there are lots of queries here and all these ifs and buts arise a question on these cells.

Abhimanyu Phougat