We need an aggressive Jat Leader in Rajasthan ?

[narenderkharb]

So let us see political balance sheet of our promising leaders..

FROM CONGRESS

Dr Chanderbhan
Harender Mirdha
Mahipal Maderna

From BJP

Visvendra Singh
Subash Maharia

Members can always suggest some additions or omissions with suitable reasons .Can we know more about some leaders like Raja Ram Meel who are very active in community related matters.

[netrapalsingh]

Dear Netra n all,
Hum logon ki hamesha yeh kami rahi ki hamen jo available mila hum unhi men hi aapna neta talashte rahe, Agar un netaon men dum hota to aaj unki koi state level par pahchan hoti.
Netra , main purani values chhodne ko nahin kah raha hoon, Experience aapni jagah value rakhata hai,let them guide us.
Jaise Dahiya ji ne bola ki yeh problem sirf Rajasthan ki nahin sab jagah yahi hal hai. Humen National level par sochna hoga.
Isliye aap samaj ke jis bhi tabke ko represent kar rahe ho wahan naye vichoron ki baat karo, ek change ki baat karo, ek meaningful unity ki baat karo, unity aisi ki jisse samaj ko fayda ho individual ko nahin.Aaj tak hamari unity ka individuals fayada uthathe rahen hain, Isliye Jat CM nahin Ban paya.Aaj bhi hamare samaj men kheti ki baat hoti rahati hai, jo ki economy men ek primary source of livelihood hai, Aap apna padosi Gujarat dekhiye jahan aam kisan bhi sharemarket ko samajhta hai, invest karta hai, kamata hai.Humne logon ke liye apni kamar( sharir) todne ka theka nahin liya hai. Samaj men naye vichar aayenge, Jagriti ayegi, To neta aapne aap paida hote jayenge jaise ki Gujarat men PATELS hain.Hamen kisi student union ke leader ya purane neta ki aur dekhne ki Jaroorat hi nahin padegi.
Jab tak Samajik parivesh men badlav nahin ayega, progress nahin hogi, nahiNaya neta hoga.
Netra bhai, Rahi competition ki baat. Mera to yeh manana hai ki Jo log pahle race men dodana shuru karte hain ,yeh zaroori nahin ki jeeten bhi vahi.

Agar aap ka rasta sahi hai to Aaj se shuru kar ke bhi aap jeet jayenge.

Doosri baat discussion wali,Yeh ek bahut hi achchi baat hai, jis samaj men nayi baton par vichar nahin hota vah samaj hamesha pichchda rahata hai, jaise ki hamara samaj

theek hai satish jee nai bato par hee discussion karte hai jat community kam
se kam rajasthan me aaj bhee kai samasyo se jooh raha hai aaj bhee bhoot
se aise ilake hai jaha vikas na k barabar hai we area jo sahar se kafi door
hai. sabse badi samasya hai siksha, agar ham rajasthan me siksha percentage
dekhe to rajasthan me jat abhi bhee kafi asikshit hai. ye sahi ke koi bhee
jat bhuka nahi mar raha hai bheek nahi mang raha hai. 20% jat Officer Rank
MLA, MP, Professor, teacher, scientist, S/W engineer hai ya 60-100 biga
jameen wale yani sampann jat, 30% jat hai jaise clerk, chaprasi, foji
driver, etc. yani kam kamane wale, 50% jat navyoovak aise hai jo bekar hai
we ya to majdoori kare hai ya daroo pechte hai y gunda gardi karte hai
ya sare din gaon me tash khelte hai.

Ye hai aaeena ( mirror) ab inmese nai soch nai vichar wale log chahiye
20% me se MLA, MP ko chod de to oro ko rajnitee me interest hai hee
nahi or mukhya roop se teaching line wale professro ke S/W or other
engineero ko, doctoro ko. ab bache kissan, majdoor, beroj gar ye hee
politics me bhag lete hai. in logo ke bare me aap logo kee kya ray hai
bahaye.

netra.......

[kalerasatish]

Dear Netra,
Your distribution of society seems to be true in the context of Sikar & Jhunjhunu. I do not think that in other districts 20% Jats belongs to the upper strata.
The issues of illitteracy & ignorance which u raised are the real issues which are bothering our society the most.We are also the fortunate that most of the primary & secondary teachers belongs to us . First we should target them & let them feel about their responsibilities towards society & in particular Jats.A solid primary educational base provides the most sincere & progressive citizens. If anyhow we will be able to make them understand their importance and responsibilities in society then it will be best of the service to the society. Sense of resposinsibility among elders always forces the younger one to be sincere n responsible.

Lets us start with this thought n Discuss.

[netrapalsingh]

Dear Netra,
Your distribution of society seems to be true in the context of Sikar & Jhunjhunu. I do not think that in other districts 20% Jats belongs to the upper strata.
The issues of illitteracy & ignorance which u raised are the real issues which are bothering our society the most.We are also the fortunate that most of the primary & secondary teachers belongs to us . First we should target them & let them feel about their responsibilities towards society & in particular Jats.A solid primary educational base provides the most sincere & progressive citizens. If anyhow we will be able to make them understand their importance and responsibilities in society then it will be best of the service to the society. Sense of resposinsibility among elders always forces the younger one to be sincere n responsible.

Lets us start with this thought n Discuss.

satish jee aaj bhee jagrookta ka abhav hai hamare samaj me aaj bhee ham
UP, Haryana, Rajasthan me bate hue hai. aaj UP se jo haryana ya rajasthan
me bas gaya hai uske samne sabse badee samsaya atee hai shadi byah kee
UP walo se rajasthani abhee bhee shadi karte huge jhijhakte hai. or jo
UP me hai wo rajasthan me ladki dena ya lena pasand nahi karte kyo ke
bhasha ritiriwaj or khanpan ka bhoot antar hai.

yah bhee ek sochane ka vishaya hai.


netra....

[kalerasatish]

Dear Netra,

Start Discussing & invite all the brothers from MP ,UP Haryana Punjab to discuss.

Jagrukata and Discussions se sabhi mudde sulajh jate hain. Ritirivaj motamoti ek jaise hi hain, Thoda bahut farak hai jo ki matter nahin karata

Invite every body to participate

[vijay]

So let us see political balance sheet of our promising leaders..

FROM CONGRESS

Dr Chanderbhan
Harender Mirdha
Mahipal Maderna

From BJP

Visvendra Singh
Subash Maharia

Members can always suggest some additions or omissions with suitable reasons .Can we know more about some leaders like Raja Ram Meel who are very active in community related matters.



Narender Bhai,

From BJP Subhash Maharia seems a hope for future Jat CM, Vishvendra Singh still have to prove himself.

From Congress If Paras Ram Maderna doesn't clicked in next elections he will be nowhere ( I hope for the best for him ). Dr. Chanderbhan and Harender Mirdha have a long way ahead to reach that position.

Other jats are restricted only within their respective areas.

[nkkhoth]

Narender Bhai,

From BJP Subhash Maharia seems a hope for future Jat CM, Vishvendra Singh still have to prove himself.

From Congress If Paras Ram Maderna doesn't clicked in next elections he will be nowhere ( I hope for the best for him ). Dr. Chanderbhan and Harender Mirdha have a long way ahead to reach that position.

Other jats are restricted only within their respective areas.

I want to know how is the image of present CM's son in Rajasthan?

[netrapalsingh]

I want to know how is the image of present CM's son in Rajasthan?

vasundhara kee chavi rajasthan me achee nahi hai BJP shayad hee vasundhara ko samne le kar chunav lade jis tarah ke halat rajasthan
me hai usse to yahi lagta hai kee vasundhara ek thopi gayee CM hai
or BJP ke member bhee andar andar uske khilaf hai hai. is bare me ek
thread mai pahale bhee likh chuka hoo vasundhara ek dami ke roop me
ayee thee BJP ke pass Bharo Singh Jee ke bad koi neta nahi tha is liye
party ko ek karne ke liye vasundhara ko laya gaya tha ab party alakman
bhee vasundhara ko hatane kee tayari mai hai iseeliye har choti choti
samasya ko bhee bada kiya ja raha hai.

netra.....

[netrapalsingh]

Narender Bhai,

From BJP Subhash Maharia seems a hope for future Jat CM, Vishvendra Singh still have to prove himself.

From Congress If Paras Ram Maderna doesn't clicked in next elections he will be nowhere ( I hope for the best for him ). Dr. Chanderbhan and Harender Mirdha have a long way ahead to reach that position.


Other jats are restricted only within their respective areas.


vijay bhai, maderna jee as an advisor theek hai or chanderbhan ke liye
mai aap se poorntaya sahmat hoo.

netra......

[nkkhoth]

Sunny/Bobby Deol ke bare me kya sochte hain yahan ke Jat? Vaise to unko bhi tatolna padega kahin ve bhi apne papaji ki tarah Janta ko dukhi na karen.

[nkkhoth]

I'm happy that young Jats are taking lot of interest here and doing good and genuine analysis. Netrapalji apno fotu (photo) chipkao, ya Vijay ki tarah smart sa:)

[nkkhoth]

Jo, aam Kissan ki sewa karega use hi Jat apna neta project karega.

[nkkhoth]

Dear all


Can we short this list to four or five members with reasons for deletion or additions.

Its is true we need better politicians but we have to excerise options among the best choice available.

The best scientific way is to write a few lines, say maximum 5-10, about all those 15-16 aspirants to explain how do they deserve this post of CM. By the way Jats already had their leader in Punjab as Chhoturam, Charan Singh in UP, Devi Lal in Haryana; ab ye Rajasthan ki bari hai.

People of Rajasthan may under estimate this thread but I must tell you that Jat CM of Rajasthan next PM ka bhi davedar hoga, kyonki vo all over India OBC ko bhi represent karega, Charan Singh ki tarah.

[netrapalsingh]

The best scientific way is to write a few lines, say maximum 5-10, about all those 15-16 aspirants to explain how do they deserve this post of CM. By the way Jats already had their leader in Punjab as Chhoturam, Charan Singh in UP, Devi Lal in Haryana; ab ye Rajasthan ki bari hai.

People of Rajasthan may under estimate this thread but I must tell you that Jat CM of Rajasthan next PM ka bhi davedar hoga, kyonki vo all over India OBC ko bhi represent karega, Charan Singh ki tarah.

sir jee, boby-sunny AC me rahane wale JAT hai aise jato ko kya dekhe
hame sangarsh karne wale log chahiye, or rajasthan me JAT CM n banne
ka mukhya karan hai kee yaha kee public anti jat hai yaha election hee
jat banam other cast hote jato kaa sath jyadatar chamar ya muslamaan
hee dete hai. kyo kee musalmano ko khatara hee sirf jato se hai agar
jat n ho to rajasthan me gadar macha de ye. abhi kuch mahane pahale
jhunjhunu me ek jat kanya ke saath kuch mulims yoovko ne misbeheave
kiya wha khade kuch jat logo ne iska virod kiya to 100 kee sankhya me
musalmano ne chaku or talwaro se un par hamla bol diya iske bad un par
koi karywahi n hote dekh 10 gaon ke jat iakttha or altimetam diya kee
24 ghante ke ander agar uchi karyawahi nahi huee to to hamla bol denge
tab jaa kar musalmano ne un logo ki poolice ke hawale kiya to ek shanti
sammelan ayojit kiya ek rajpoot MLA ranvir goodha unke saath or aap logo
lo ye jan kar sharm aye hamaree mukhy neta sumitra singh bhee us sammelan
me guldasta lene pahuch gayee. to ye yaha kee rajniti hai or jab se
jato ko OBC me liya tab se to or bhee boora hal hai ye to MLA, MP or jyadatar officer jat hai or jat kudh balwaan hai nahi to ye jato ko rajasthan
se bahar nikal de aise halah me jat CM kee to ham kalpana hee har sakte hai.

netra.........

[vijay]

sir jee, boby-sunny AC me rahane wale JAT hai aise jato ko kya dekhe
hame sangarsh karne wale log chahiye, or rajasthan me JAT CM n banne
ka mukhya karan hai kee yaha kee public anti jat hai yaha election hee
jat banam other cast hote jato kaa sath jyadatar chamar ya muslamaan
hee dete hai. kyo kee musalmano ko khatara hee sirf jato se hai agar
jat n ho to rajasthan me gadar macha de ye. abhi kuch mahane pahale
jhunjhunu me ek jat kanya ke saath kuch mulims yoovko ne misbeheave
kiya wha khade kuch jat logo ne iska virod kiya to 100 kee sankhya me
musalmano ne chaku or talwaro se un par hamla bol diya iske bad un par
koi karywahi n hote dekh 10 gaon ke jat iakttha or altimetam diya kee
24 ghante ke ander agar uchi karyawahi nahi huee to to hamla bol denge
tab jaa kar musalmano ne un logo ki poolice ke hawale kiya to ek shanti
sammelan ayojit kiya ek rajpoot MLA ranvir goodha unke saath or aap logo
lo ye jan kar sharm aye hamaree mukhy neta sumitra singh bhee us sammelan
me guldasta lene pahuch gayee. to ye yaha kee rajniti hai or jab se
jato ko OBC me liya tab se to or bhee boora hal hai ye to MLA, MP or jyadatar officer jat hai or jat kudh balwaan hai nahi to ye jato ko rajasthan
se bahar nikal de aise halah me jat CM kee to ham kalpana hee har sakte hai.

netra.........


A true portrait Netra Bhai,

But who cares here as ppl just want to show their superiority and few want to do just politics but nobody is thinking about the people and about the community.

As we can discuss this in problem in private and lets don't take them any benefit from here and i suggest to close this thread here as its leading us nohwere.

[aarti]

Sh. Vishvendra Singh (Maharaj Bharatpur) is supposedly joining Congress on 25 Dec 2006 in a large public rally to commerete Maharaj Surajmal, supossedely in presence of The Prime Minister and Sh. Paras Ram ji Maderna (Maderna’s prog not confirmed yet)

[mukeshkumar007]

very long discussion... but I am shocked to see that some selfish leader is being projected as a future face of jat community...

meri nazar maie to ek bi future ka jat neta banne ke layak nahi hai... mera bas chale to goli mardu inko chorahe par khada karke...lakin dosh inka bi nahi hai ... yeh hum hi hai jo inko sar par chadaye rakhte hai ... samne to netaji netaji karte rehte hai piche se burai...

at present there is no true jat leader in rajasthan who can do justice with our community...
sishram ola :- no hope.. after being elected four times..did nothing for jat community..individually may be good but as a leader failed miserably..wasted his energy in projecting his son as a leader and doing multiplication and addition of votes...

subhash mahariya... :- I call him baniya rather than JAT.. kisi bi angle se jat nahi hai....love to sit with brahamin and baniya.... once he said in public meeting... "Jato ke bal par chunav nahi jitata hoo maie " but took a U turn next day due to strong criticism by public..so how can we except anything from him... parsram maderna jaise neta ki galti se jeet gaya tha.. warna is baar hi khani khatam thi...

parsram maderna... :- Less said is better

Sarvan Choudhary :- ek gunde maie aur usme koi farak nahi hai

Narayan Singh Choudhary :- mooh maie hardam gaali.. gamand ka nasa hi nahi utarta... dataramgarh tak hi teek hai... putar prem ki vajeh se kirkari...

Ram Naray Choudhary :- Umar ke sath akal bi jawab de gai.. kaunsi baat keha kehni chiye kuch bi pata nahi... assembly maie bete huwe bi bolne ka hosh nahi...

Vasundhra Raje Sindhiya.. :- She is not a jat...

inke alawa bi bhoot se aise hai jo Jat neta hone ka dumb bharte rehte hai lakin sabse jyada khatra to rajasthan maie jat community ko inhi netawo se hai... In my point of view they must be thrown out from community...

Amra Ram(MLA from Dhodh, Sikar) ke alawa rajasthan maie jat netawo ke naam par kachara hai... he is really a true jat leader.. koi ghamand nahi hai aur apne aap ko jat kehne maie bi garav feel karta hai... ek talle wala bi usse jakar mil sakta hai ... har waqt kisano ki help karne ke liye tyaar rehta hai unke sath chalta hai ...

[aarti]

very long discussion... but I am shocked to see that some selfish leader is being projected as a future face of jat community......

PLS DONT WASTE SPACE ON THIS FORUM AND OUR TIME.

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND POLITICS, YOU NEED NOT SAY OR WRITE.

WHAT YOU HAVE JUST WRITTEN IN UTTER RUBBISH.

[vijay]

Amra Ram(MLA from Dhodh, Sikar) ke alawa rajasthan maie jat netawo ke naam par kachara hai... he is really a true jat leader.. koi ghamand nahi hai aur apne aap ko jat kehne maie bi garav feel karta hai... ek talle wala bi usse jakar mil sakta hai ... har waqt kisano ki help karne ke liye tyaar rehta hai unke sath chalta hai ...


So Mukesh bhai, Amra ram is future jat leader of Rajasthan acording to you ???

Mehariya, Maderana and all others behind Amra Ram ? can u describe how ??? Any achievement by him that what he did at state level for jats or community ???

It's todays politics brother Mukesh and just come here with some facts or new ideas, otherwise you are nowhere ! I hope u don't take it peresonally.

PLz justify how Amra Ram is better than PR Maderna or Subhash Mehariya ? :)

[vijay]

PLS DONT WASTE SPACE ON THIS FORUM AND OUR TIME.

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND POLITICS, YOU NEED NOT SAY OR WRITE.

WHAT YOU HAVE JUST WRITTEN IN UTTER RUBBISH.

Just Calm down Aarti,:)

Let us provide him some time to specify if he have something to say.

There is nothing rubbish in politics nowdays and people use community as their weapon in politics these days. :)

Regards
Vijay

[vijay]

PLS DONT WASTE SPACE ON THIS FORUM AND OUR TIME.

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND POLITICS, YOU NEED NOT SAY OR WRITE.

WHAT YOU HAVE JUST WRITTEN IN UTTER RUBBISH.

I think that he (Mukesh) is better than Ram Singh and some others. I hoped for ur strong comments against ppl like Ram Singh, but .........:)

All said :)

[netrapalsingh]

Agar Koi Apnaa Comments De Raha Hai To Isme Rubbish Kay Hai
Or Wo Bhi Uske Liye Jisne Kudh Ye Thread Likhi Hai Agar Uske
Comments Ke Against Aapke Paas Kuch Nhai Hai To Aap Pane
Bat Kahiye Yahi Acha Ham Sab Ke Liye...............or Koshish
Kijiye Kee Aapas Mai Koi Bhi Takrar Na Ho.........................


Or Mr. Vijay Koi Bhee Galat Nahi N Ram Singh N Dusra Koi Bhee
Har Admi Ka Apnaa Ek Alag Dhang Hota Hai Ye Samaj Hai Isme
Ache Bure Sabhi Tarah Ke Log Hai Achai Lijiye.......agar Kisi
Ke Paas Hai To Galat Yar Bure Ke Pass Hee Kyo Jate Ho......

Ye Mere Last Comments Is Thread Me...


Netra.......

[devdahiya]

I think the word should not be aggressibe...but ASSERTIVE JAT LEADER. Think over.

[cooljat]

Guys, generally I stay away from this dirty buisness called Politics but since here, discuss is goin about Jat leaders in Rajasthan so I decided to add my two cents!!!!!

Well, I hate politics like anything...cuz these politicans can go down to any extent for their benifit & these crap politicians do have only one relegion and thats Politics. Democracy has become so ironical & worthless here as whomsoever comes out & stand for election make false promises & if he/she wins, change color like chameleon...for next 5 years he/she loots ppl as much as possible.

Rajasthan & Jats are not exception...I dont find any Jat leader strong enough & devoted enough to support & stand for our Jat community.... be it Jat leaders from BJP or congress....everyone is corrupt.

There're heaps of Jat leaders in Rajasthan but frankly I dont find any one devoted to community.

Till yet I found only 2 true Jat leaders in history, those are - Chaudhary Charan Singh & Sir Chottu Ram!

So Jatlanders stop supporting these crap politicans & concentarte in some other constructive work!

Thanks for ur time!!!!


Rock on
Jit

[vijay]

Guys, generally I stay away from this dirty buisness called Politics but since here, discuss is goin about Jat leaders in Rajasthan so I decided to add my two cents!!!!!

Well, I hate politics like anything...cuz these politicans can go down to any extent for their benifit & these crap politicians do have only one relegion and thats Politics. Democracy has become so ironical & worthless here as whomsoever comes out & stand for election make false promises & if he/she wins, change color like chameleon...for next 5 years he/she loots ppl as much as possible.

Rajasthan & Jats are not exception...I dont find any Jat leader strong enough & devoted enough to support & stand for our Jat community.... be it Jat leaders from BJP or congress....everyone is corrupt.

There're heaps of Jat leaders in Rajasthan but frankly I dont find any one devoted to community.

Till yet I found only 2 true Jat leaders in history, those are - Chaudhary Charan Singh & Sir Chottu Ram!

So Jatlanders stop supporting these crap politicans & concentarte in some other constructive work!

Thanks for ur time!!!!


Rock on
Jit


My 2 cents about ur post.

Started impressively but ended foolishly.

[saharan21]

mr vijay wrote

Started impressively but ended foolishly

i know why he said so because there is no mention of tau devi lal in great jat leaders.

[rockyjat]

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY DINESH MAMA I ALSO HATE POLOTICS AND POLOTICIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SLEAZY NO GOOD OUT FOR ONLY THEMSELVES KIND OF PEOPLE WHEN THE TALK THE SHOW NO EXPRESSION AND WHEN U LOOK INTO THIER EYES AND SEE THE SHALLOWNESS OF THIER LIES BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME GREAT JAT LEADERS NOT A LOT BUT IT IS A START WELL ATLEAST THERE MIGHT BE HOPE YET......

[rockyjat]

:D Oh Yeah I Also Will Add My 2 Cents :cool:
CHAO
KUNU

[cooljat]

Kunu beta
two thumbs up to u!!
I'm completely floored to read ur lines here
But ur too young to think about dirty politics!!
so stay away from this fielth & concentrate on study & sports!!!

Godspeed!

Rock on!
Jit mama

PS - kunu beta use Jit mama instead of dinesh mama....jatlanders may get confused...;) ;) well, jatland dinesh is my home name!!! so dont get confused!

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY DINESH MAMA I ALSO HATE POLOTICS AND POLOTICIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SLEAZY NO GOOD OUT FOR ONLY THEMSELVES KIND OF PEOPLE WHEN THE TALK THE SHOW NO EXPRESSION AND WHEN U LOOK INTO THIER EYES AND SEE THE SHALLOWNESS OF THIER LIES BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME GREAT JAT LEADERS NOT A LOT BUT IT IS A START WELL ATLEAST THERE MIGHT BE HOPE YET......

[netrapalsingh]

natwar singh jis tarah se rajasthan ka dora kar rahe hai usse to yahi lagta hai kee rajsthan kee politics me abkee bar natwar singh ek aham bhoomikaa nibhayege.

Jaipur me amroodo wale bag me natwar kee meeting me jat mahasabha ka samarthan jis tarah natwar ko mila tha usse congress or bhartiya janta party dono ke kaan pahale se hee khade hai. or abhee kuch din pahale jhunjhunu me ek vishal railly natwar singh ke samarthan me hooyee.

Gahlot kee jat virodhi neeti se kisaan pahale hee kahfaa thhe parantoo ab vasundhra ne to kisano kee aisee taisee hee kar dee. Yaha kee mukhya samasya bijlee kee hai or nahar kee jiskaa ilaj n to congress ke pas tha or n hee bjp ke pass hai isliye ho sakta kisaan natwar ke pralobhan me aajaye.

waise yaha shri Om Prakash Chautala or shri Ajit Singh bhee apnaa bhagya ajmaa chukee hai parantoo onhone congress kaa hee nuksaan kiyaa thaa

kyaa abkee bar bhee nuksaan congress ka hoga......?

netra....

[Samarkadian]

Dear Mukesh,
I really appreciate your post,it shows your pains,frustation and above all a poigent reality.Adding in your posts I would say instread of Aggressive Jat Leader, we need a Determined Mass Leader who will take society, community to a new heights.Situation is really frustating.Now a days Even JAT leaders dnt have to do anything with community,this is a profession.If we go down deeper,rarely MLAs,MPs have their kids in defence,While in assembly they do try their best to send their kids to study in abroad,building malls n resort.Previous govt in haryana is a clean example of that.They speak from a different tongue when they are in power.I would say Indian Youth average age is 26 which is very very encouraging, we all can improve the situation.I never believed in CHANGE of society, i always bet on improvement.I would support you if you dare to fill up nomination but think if you can do it , but not out of passion.Politics is serious business, its legs runs with very slow growth.But ya if you have something in heart bro,go for it. Dnt wait for any aggressive role model.You are the one. Change the fate. Like Paulo Coelho says--When you stride towards your goal,whole world conspires for your success.









It is really pity painful to see that rajasthan has not been able to produce even a single aggressive Jat leader who really can represent our community in true sense. Although there have been many Jat leader active in politics but none of them have been able to set an example to our next generation. Some of them feel ashamed to be called a Jat Leader so I don’t think we can really expect for any thing from such type of leaders. The territory of Sikar, Jhunjhunu and Churu which known as a Shekhawati, where jats are really playing a significant role in politics. No party can win election without their support. But this region is also missing a real Jat leader. Sikar district has a Jat Mp (Subash Maharia) but he did nothing for the community and in the same way in Jhunjhunu, Sishram Ola has been elected for many times for the parliament but failed to do anything good for our community. From a long time we are demanding for a jat chief minister in state but hardly there is any leader in our community who deserve this post.
The leader who impressed me much is Amra Ram (MLA from CPM). He might be called a true jat leader, in him I saw many characteristics which are much crucial to be an aggressive jat leader. But being a communist follower he can not lead to the entire community because his party’s ideology doesn’t suit to Jats.
In previous assembly election some ratio of the jat votes have shifted towards BJP but I think our interests may not be fulfill with it because BJP is known as a Rajput and Baniya party.
In the congress there were some rays of hope when Narayan Singh was elected as a PCC (Pardesh Congress Committee) chief but again there was nothing except disappointment, as he did nothing remarkable neither for our community nor for his party. Now Ram Narayan Choudhary has nominated as an opposition leader in assembly but I am not sure he would be able to enlighten our comm in state.
What is the main reason behing this? Why have we not been able to introduce a true jat leader in state. One day some one told me that the basic problem with us is that we (JAT) in rajasthan never sit together, and always fight with each other. That’s why every political party play with us for their own interests.
In my views, we need a leader like Ashok Gehlot (who makes all saini community proud) in state who can move ahead by bringing every dissatisfied sections of the society together so that in future we may have a JAT CM in state.

Pata nahi koi aisa leader kab hoga...???Kabi kabi to aisa lagta hai ki mujhe hi chunav ladna padega… LOL

[Samarkadian]

Dear Jit,
Thats a awesome advice.Isnt it? We,Good people, have contributed a lot in allowing politicians to be dirty.Well education,sports is useless when it fails to make a responsible citizen.It requires coruage to listen n it also reuires courage to stand n speak.I feel Mukesh is on right track and wont advice it to change anyway.








Kunu beta
two thumbs up to u!!
I'm completely floored to read ur lines here
But ur too young to think about dirty politics!!
so stay away from this fielth & concentrate on study & sports!!!

Godspeed!

Rock on!
Jit mama

PS - kunu beta use Jit mama instead of dinesh mama....jatlanders may get confused...;) ;) well, jatland dinesh is my home name!!! so dont get confused!

[netrapalsingh]

Vasundhara ke bure din suru hogaye hai bjp ke kai diggaj neta bagawat par
ootar ayee hai, karodi lal meena, manda dilwawar jaise kaddwar neto ne
CM ko apne Isteefe vasundhara ko sop die hai, rajpoot kobee pahale se
kee vasundhara se khafa hai. Kalyan singh kalvee apnee bete ke Lokendra Singh kalvee ke saath rajpoot samaj ko le kar ek alag morcha banaye bathe
hai. Surendra Singh Rathod (Ganganagar) jo rajpoote me ek bhoot hee
aham sthan rakhne wale neta hai.

Kya Vasundhara is sankat se nikal payee gee?


netra...

[netrapalsingh]

Amitabh kee taraj par chalte huve Natwar Singh bhee Samajwadi Party me shamil hone ka manas bana rahe hai. Natwar or Amitabh dono ek dusre se kafi pareechit hai kyon kee dono Nehru pariwaar ka kafee karib rah chuke hai or dono kee Nehru Pariwar se kafi khafa hai or done hee ye mante hai kee nehru pariwar oonke saath insaaf nahi kayaa to abhee hal hee me Natwar Singh se Samaj Vadi Amar Singh kee huyee mulakaat is baat ko
darshateee hai kee Natwar bhee apne bete Jagat Singh ke saath samaaj wadi party me shamil honge........


netra....

[solankimk]

there was many jat leaders in rajasthan but all vanished with the time because they are not use to to bear or restrained the dirty politics played by others

eg
Mirdhas
nathhi singh
natwar singh etc

now only those leader can survive who have all bad things and no emotions ,loyality etc.

[solankimk]

there was many jat leaders in rajasthan but all vanished with the time because they are not use to to bear or restrained the dirty politics played by others

eg
Mirdhas
nathhi singh
natwar singh etc

now only those leader can survive who have all bad things and no emotions ,loyality etc.

[satishjat]

Finally kuch samadhan nikla yah nahin, ki kaun aacha neta hai kaun nahi, Leadership is Built on trust, sirf neta kai haone say nahin, mutual unaderstanding hai yeh, MP jeet gaya to 5 saal ke liye gayab, or aap us ko phir vote dete ho or woh again MP, jab aap log without he or she proving the capabilities ready to accept them everytime then i think you should not expect also, some body will lead this community take extra pain, i think you every individual should start taking the charges of this leadership and change this community, the status of the community so that we don't need a leader we should be accepted as a leader or phir kuch is tharha suna " Kar bulandi ko itna buland ki kudha phi bhi bunde se pooche bata teri raja kiya Hai" . To mere bhaiyo phele apna status change karo community ka.
aacha lage to muskara dena or boora lage to bhool jana, lakin suruat to karani paregi aaj nahin to kal

[aarti]

What are the three most important problems (factors) faced by Jat youth in Rajasthan.

I was in Bikaner few days back, just after the Jat Samaj laid a foundation for 8 Crore boarding and school project in Bikaner, specifically for girls. I was impressed by the unity and progressiveness of the Jat youth (girls & boys) in Bikaner.

We must try and consolidate the youth together in Rajasthan in a big way. Any ideas . . . .

[netrapalsingh]

Rajasthan me jo ekta ka sailab ayaa tha wo ab bikharta ja raha hai
jiska taja example hai Sikar District 1990 ke kareeb jat sammelan ch.charan singh jayantee ko hooa tha sare jat ek manch par ekthe the or kya sabhai thee par aaj kya hai Gopal Phogat kee mot isko kisne mara or kyo mara ye aaj bhee ek pahalee hai par wastvikta hai kee use jato ne mara ab phogat group bhee apnee aapko ange lane ke chakkar me kai jato ko mare ga.
Narayan Singh jo khud chunav tak nahi jit sake use jato kee kaman sop rakhee hai. Aap agale chunav ane dijiye kaise jitenge Subash mahariya pata chal jaye ga.

Jaipur me jat neta kitne aggressive hai wo jaipur wale achee tarah jante hai
or jato me unkee kintee pakad hai uska pata tabhi chal gaya tha jab Natwar Singh kee meeting ko jat mahasabha ne samarthan diya tha or ek sabha amroodowale bag me hooyee thee usme kitne jat the? or kitne BJP ke samarthak the bheed jootane ke liye.

Pichle saal Jhunjhunu me ek jat ladkee saath kuch muslim yoovko ne ched chad kee or etraj karne par muslim ek ho gyae or kai jat yoovak ghayal ho gaye the kya oonkee report darj hooyee nahi balkee kuch gaon ke jat ek jut hooe to ek rajpoot leader ne musalmaano kee ek aam sabha kar dee or maje kee bat dekhiye hamaree manniy Sumitra jee (vidhan sabha adyaksh) bhee waha guldaste lene pahooch gayee.

Vijay Poonia ne chahe kise bhee uddeshya se kiya ho par jab tak uskee chalee jat kam se kam jaipur me to ek the.

netra...

[narenderkharb]

Rajasthan me jo ekta ka sailab ayaa tha wo ab bikharta ja raha hai
jiska taja example hai Sikar District 1990 ke kareeb jat sammelan ch.charan singh jayantee ko hooa tha sare jat ek manch par ekthe the or kya sabhai thee par aaj kya hai Gopal Phogat kee mot isko kisne mara or kyo mara ye aaj bhee ek pahalee hai par wastvikta hai kee use jato ne mara ab phogat group bhee apnee aapko ange lane ke chakkar me kai jato ko mare ga.
Narayan Singh jo khud chunav tak nahi jit sake use jato kee kaman sop rakhee hai. Aap agale chunav ane dijiye kaise jitenge Subash mahariya pata chal jaye ga.

Jaipur me jat neta kitne aggressive hai wo jaipur wale achee tarah jante hai
or jato me unkee kintee pakad hai uska pata tabhi chal gaya tha jab Natwar Singh kee meeting ko jat mahasabha ne samarthan diya tha or ek sabha amroodowale bag me hooyee thee usme kitne jat the? or kitne BJP ke samarthak the bheed jootane ke liye.

Pichle saal Jhunjhunu me ek jat ladkee saath kuch muslim yoovko ne ched chad kee or etraj karne par muslim ek ho gyae or kai jat yoovak ghayal ho gaye the kya oonkee report darj hooyee nahi balkee kuch gaon ke jat ek jut hooe to ek rajpoot leader ne musalmaano kee ek aam sabha kar dee or maje kee bat dekhiye hamaree manniy Sumitra jee (vidhan sabha adyaksh) bhee waha guldaste lene pahooch gayee.

Vijay Poonia ne chahe kise bhee uddeshya se kiya ho par jab tak uskee chalee jat kam se kam jaipur me to ek the.

netra...

Netra ji

Can you give a cast wise break up of current assembly or an approximation of the same.Also how many seats are jat majority seats and how many seats have significant Jat influence.

[netrapalsingh]

Netra ji

Can you give a cast wise break up of current assembly or an approximation of the same.Also how many seats are jat majority seats and how many seats have significant Jat influence.

narender ji, rajasthan me 200 assembly seat hai or district wise agar dekhe to jis tarike se jato kee pakad rajasthan me khatam hotee ja rhee hai wo chinta ka vishya hai for example Jhunjhunu district jat bahuly hai par yaha se other cast ke M.L.A bhee or jis tarike se SC, ST, Maheela reservetion badhta ja raha hai usse jato ke pakad or bhee kam hogee. 200 member ka seat wise explain karna to bada mushkil hai aap kis bare me jnaa chahte hai mujhe e-mail kar sakte hai......

netra....

[sampuran]

To my mind we need a Jat leader not only in states, but right at the top of the national level.

When one finds tamas privriti Vaishya- natured people runnig the affairsof the country and sliding it into mess, it does not feel good.

[netrapalsingh]

Agar poore desh me najar ghoomae to mere najar me national level ke jat leader hai :

1. Ch. Om Prakash Chautala
2. Ch. Ajit Singh
3. Dr. Bal Ram Jakhar
4. Saheeb Singh Verma
5. Natwar Singh
6. Sh. Sheesh Ram Ola

yahe political leader hai or non political leader hai CH Mahender Singh Tikait

netra.......

[sampuran]

Agar poore desh me najar ghoomae to mere najar me national level ke jat leader hai :

1. Ch. Om Prakash Chautala
2. Ch. Ajit Singh
3. Dr. Bal Ram Jakhar
4. Saheeb Singh Verma
5. Natwar Singh
6. Sh. Sheesh Ram Ola

yahe political leader hai or non political leader hai CH Mahender Singh Tikait

netra.......

Netrapal bhai
I can't agree with you on most of the above names. Whatever I have seen and experienced about all of the above except Sh Balram Jakhar and Sh Sheesh Ram Ola, doesnot inspire much confidence. The other four persons are only politicians NOT leaders.

I would opt for somebody like Ch Charan Singh with the sharpness and killing instinct of Subhash Bose.

[aarti]

Agree wit all the names, but the person who commands the most respect within the Jat Community and as a Jat is ‘Ram Niwas Mirdha’

[raj2rif]

Agar poore desh me najar ghoomae to mere najar me national level ke jat leader hai :

1. Ch. Om Prakash Chautala
2. Ch. Ajit Singh
3. Dr. Bal Ram Jakhar
4. Saheeb Singh Verma
5. Natwar Singh
6. Sh. Sheesh Ram Ola

yahe political leader hai or non political leader hai CH Mahender Singh Tikait

netra.......
Rajasthan is not the only state having problem of leadership. It is universal in the country. Declining morale values and our acceptance of it are the reasons for our problems. It requires a lot of courage and will to sacrifice to stand up against what is wrong and what must be changed. The very fact that we are talking about a JAT leader itself looks to be a poor starting. I would say we need an aggressive INDIAN leader in every state as well as the center.
Now let us analyze the names Mr. Netrapal Singh has suggested.
1. Sh. Om Prakash Chautala: I had an opportunity to meet with Mr. Chautala. He looks sharp and even speaks reasonably well. However, he is not the type of leader we may need/we may be looking for. My reasons are as follows:
(a). He inherited a great legacy. He did not have to work hard to get to the CM’s position. Yet to me he has been a failure. He might have done some thing good, but may be he did more bad than good and hence was defeated in elections. If we carry out an analysis of his party structure, you may find most of the yes man around the center of power. When such situation happens, you tend to go wrong. That has been the case with every single party that where the decision is made by one single person, be it Chautala, Ajit Singh, Mulayam Singh or Sonia Gandhi. Such a situation can work very well, if the leader is above petty gains and is not afraid of taking hard decisions. Mr. Chautala certainly does not meet my definition of a strong or aggressive leader.
2. Ch. Ajit Singh: Another story of wasted legacy. Probably Mr. Ajit Singh was even better situation than Mr. Chautala was. If you really want to get some thing from the system, be prepared to give it some thing first. The system will definitely return your investment with profits. And let me assure you, longer it takes more permanent it is going to be. We would see, UP results soon. I hope Mr. Singh retains his own seat. Favoritism and opportunism might cost him his job to say the least.
3. Dr. Balram Jakhar: Dr. Balram Jakhar has been more or less non-controversial candidate. He has been in the power for most of his political career, yet he did not have a political legacy of his own. To me he looked more like a yes man to his master who was being rewarded for unflinching loyalty to the political party he represented. He did not come out against his own political party when some thing wrong was going on. May be that is how the democratic system works. To me a political leader must oppose any policy that he feels is not in the national interest. After that if the majority of ruling party of the parliament adopts that policy, that is fine. At least such a leader maintains his identity. To me, Mr. Jakhar probably did not have his own identity as such in true sense. His charisma was probably limited to his own constituency. In such a scenario to expect some one to be strong may just be wishful thinking.
4. Sh. Saheb Singh Verma: He probably comes from a more regulated political system. I think he did get an opportunity as CM of Delhi to make his mark on the National Politics. Since he did not do that, it can be another case of missed opportunities or say incompetence. What we assume is our own perception.
5. Mr. Natwar Singh: Again easy rise to success. A devoted and dedicated vote bank. Valuable opportunities lost due to poor political vision, incompetence or lack of self-confidence. Mr. Singh had been a yes man to power brokers in the congress party which had been truly rewarded throughout his political career. He also did well for his family I guess, like Mr. Chautala, and Mr. Ajit Singh.
6. Mr. Sheesh Ram Ola: I personally do not have much knowledge about him, so it would be incorrect on my part to comment on him. However I know that he has been around for a very long time and has not been able to rise to the level the community expected, is the reason enough for him not qualifying for the type of leader Mr. Mukesh is looking for.
7. Ch. Tikait: I think, it is the clear case of a rising star falling to arrogance. Mr. Tikait started very well and had a very large following among the farmer community across the caste line. I think one can never ask for a better platform than that for success. I had seen the Bhartiya Kisan Union’s agitation in Meerut. It was probably best organized agitation and full marks to Mr.Tikait for that. However, I believe that the force behind that organization taking off so well was a retired Justice Ch. Mahavir Singh. There were couples of more guys some of them retired army officers who were the force behind that agitation. It drew national support and CM of UP late Mr. Veer Bhadra Singh was shaken up. What I learnt from some people who were in the close circle, that once the success came to Mr. Tikait, he became arrogant and did not listen to the people who were helping him out in organizing the affairs of the BKU. I don’t know how far that is true, but the fact that Mr. Tikait did not get any notable success after those people left his organization, speaks well enough for his own capabilities.
I have tried to be as objective as I could be. I know it is not going to be to the liking of many ardent supporters of these political leaders and certainly not to the liking of those for whom, being a JAT is good enough qualification for any assignment.
I would say, we do need aggressive/strong leaders at all levels of our government, they may not be JAT by caste. Let us support those who fulfill the definition of strong, fair and aggressive leaders irrespective of the caste they come from. I would like to support an honest non-Jat to a dishonest Jat, a competent non-Jat to an incompetent Jat. Once we start realizing the importance of the qualities like competence and honesty, caste would become irrelevant.
Looks too idealistic to be practical. But let me assure you, unless we try we would never know whether or not it is practical. Once we adopt this attitude, these leaders would stop playing with caste sentiments and would start working for the communities.

[netrapalsingh]

Popular Jat leadero kee agar bat kare to ye hee hai ye alag bat hai kee in sabhee me kuch kamee hai to kuch kubhee hai:

Ch.Omprakash Chautala: Devilal ke bad agar koi jat neta haryana me hai to wo hai Om prakash Chautala. Kyo kee unme khoobee hai ek we nirbhik hai or decision power bhee hai unme. Kyo kee jit tarike se Rajasthan me Or punjab ke chunavo wo agressive rahe or waha kee rajneetee ko prabhavit karke BJP ko fayada pahunchaya ye oonkee doordarshitaa ko bataatee hai.

Ch. Ajit Singh: Rajiv Gandhi kee tarah une popularty Ch. Charan Singh ke karan hee milee or mil rahee hai or aaj bhee UP me kam se kam 12-20 seet jitane ka amda we rakhte hai Saaf or Ujjwal Chavi hai unkee ye alag bat hai kee jo support jato ka unko milna chahiye tha wo nahi mila.

Dr.Balram Jhakahar: Dr Balram Jhakhar kee Chamta ko to kabhi bhee najar andaj nahi kiya ja sakta or meree najar me aaj bhee we national level ke jat netao me number one par hai. Sansand me chahe paksh me ho ya Vipaksh me we sada nirbhee ho kar bole or unkee saamne bolne ka ya unkee bat katne ka sahaas achee achee hastiyo ko n tha n hai aaj bhee congress me unkee upyogeeta pahalee jaisee hai.

Sheesh Ram Ola: Sheesh Ram Ola Kender me Mantree pad par rahe hai or ek popular hastee hai unme sabse badee khoobee hai ek ache rajnitiga we palak jhapakate hee rajneetee ko idhar se uudhar kar skate hai, koot niti un me koot koot kar bharee hai.

Bakee Natwar singh, Ramniwas Mirdha, onkee ek alag pahachan hai.


netra.........

[aarti]

The Punjab Kesari of April 23, 2007 apparently carried an article on possible Jat candidates for Vice President of India. The front-runner among them is Parasram Maderna. Probably the congress leadership is trying to placate the Jat community in Rajasthan, which is still nursing its grievance of missing out the Chief Ministership in 1998.

There have been other articles in last two months both in Delhi and Rajasthan print media to suitably accommodate Shri Maderna at helm of affairs to regain Rajasthan for Congress.

Reliable sources indicate that when Sonia Gandhi made an unprecedented visit at residence of Parasram Maderna in Jaipur on June 26, 2006, she pleaded with Shri Maderna to return to active politics, which he had politely declined on ‘pretext’ of health grounds.

However in last few days senior emissary of Congress President has again discussed matters with Shri Maderna for post of Vice President. For which Shri Maderna has not commented in Yes or No.

Shri Maderna has indicated in he is a committed congressman and he would abide by the wishes and instruction of Congress High Command, however at the same time he has also again used the ‘pretext’ of health and unwillingness to move to Delhi.

Two things are for sure. First, the bitterness of Shri Maderna and Jat community in Rajasthan is far for over. Second and most importantly some heir apparent of Shri Maderna has moved so up in the ladder with the Congress President that even at the peak of UP elections she is thinking, talking and going out of the way to please him. History seems to be repeating itself in Rajasthan.

[netrapalsingh]

The Punjab Kesari of April 23, 2007 apparently carried an article on possible Jat candidates for Vice President of India. The front-runner among them is Parasram Maderna. Probably the congress leadership is trying to placate the Jat community in Rajasthan, which is still nursing its grievance of missing out the Chief Ministership in 1998.

There have been other articles in last two months both in Delhi and Rajasthan print media to suitably accommodate Shri Maderna at helm of affairs to regain Rajasthan for Congress.

Reliable sources indicate that when Sonia Gandhi made an unprecedented visit at residence of Parasram Maderna in Jaipur on June 26, 2006, she pleaded with Shri Maderna to return to active politics, which he had politely declined on ‘pretext’ of health grounds.

However in last few days senior emissary of Congress President has again discussed matters with Shri Maderna for post of Vice President. For which Shri Maderna has not commented in Yes or No.

Shri Maderna has indicated in he is a committed congressman and he would abide by the wishes and instruction of Congress High Command, however at the same time he has also again used the ‘pretext’ of health and unwillingness to move to Delhi.

Two things are for sure. First, the bitterness of Shri Maderna and Jat community in Rajasthan is far for over. Second and most importantly some heir apparent of Shri Maderna has moved so up in the ladder with the Congress President that even at the peak of UP elections she is thinking, talking and going out of the way to please him. History seems to be repeating itself in Rajasthan.

100% agree with punjab keshari, mai to pahale se hee maderna jee ke saath tha, kyo kee unkee barabar koi bhee jat neta kam se kam rajasthan me to nahi hai meree najar me.

Aaj log kahte hai unkee umr ho gayee to kya Up Rashtrapati Bharosingh ji kee Umr ke bare me batayega? .

netra.....

[rameshlakra]

Rajasthan is not the only state having problem of leadership. It is universal in the country. Declining morale values and our acceptance of it are the reasons for our problems. It requires a lot of courage and will to sacrifice to stand up against what is wrong and what must be changed. The very fact that we are talking about a JAT leader itself looks to be a poor starting. I would say we need an aggressive INDIAN leader in every state as well as the center.
Now let us analyze the names Mr. Netrapal Singh has suggested.
1. Sh. Om Prakash Chautala: I had an opportunity to meet with Mr. Chautala. He looks sharp and even speaks reasonably well. However, he is not the type of leader we may need/we may be looking for. My reasons are as follows:
(a). He inherited a great legacy. He did not have to work hard to get to the CM’s position. Yet to me he has been a failure. He might have done some thing good, but may be he did more bad than good and hence was defeated in elections. If we carry out an analysis of his party structure, you may find most of the yes man around the center of power. When such situation happens, you tend to go wrong. That has been the case with every single party that where the decision is made by one single person, be it Chautala, Ajit Singh, Mulayam Singh or Sonia Gandhi. Such a situation can work very well, if the leader is above petty gains and is not afraid of taking hard decisions. Mr. Chautala certainly does not meet my definition of a strong or aggressive leader.
2. Ch. Ajit Singh: Another story of wasted legacy. Probably Mr. Ajit Singh was even better situation than Mr. Chautala was. If you really want to get some thing from the system, be prepared to give it some thing first. The system will definitely return your investment with profits. And let me assure you, longer it takes more permanent it is going to be. We would see, UP results soon. I hope Mr. Singh retains his own seat. Favoritism and opportunism might cost him his job to say the least.
3. Dr. Balram Jakhar: Dr. Balram Jakhar has been more or less non-controversial candidate. He has been in the power for most of his political career, yet he did not have a political legacy of his own. To me he looked more like a yes man to his master who was being rewarded for unflinching loyalty to the political party he represented. He did not come out against his own political party when some thing wrong was going on. May be that is how the democratic system works. To me a political leader must oppose any policy that he feels is not in the national interest. After that if the majority of ruling party of the parliament adopts that policy, that is fine. At least such a leader maintains his identity. To me, Mr. Jakhar probably did not have his own identity as such in true sense. His charisma was probably limited to his own constituency. In such a scenario to expect some one to be strong may just be wishful thinking.
4. Sh. Saheb Singh Verma: He probably comes from a more regulated political system. I think he did get an opportunity as CM of Delhi to make his mark on the National Politics. Since he did not do that, it can be another case of missed opportunities or say incompetence. What we assume is our own perception.
5. Mr. Natwar Singh: Again easy rise to success. A devoted and dedicated vote bank. Valuable opportunities lost due to poor political vision, incompetence or lack of self-confidence. Mr. Singh had been a yes man to power brokers in the congress party which had been truly rewarded throughout his political career. He also did well for his family I guess, like Mr. Chautala, and Mr. Ajit Singh.
6. Mr. Sheesh Ram Ola: I personally do not have much knowledge about him, so it would be incorrect on my part to comment on him. However I know that he has been around for a very long time and has not been able to rise to the level the community expected, is the reason enough for him not qualifying for the type of leader Mr. Mukesh is looking for.
7. Ch. Tikait: I think, it is the clear case of a rising star falling to arrogance. Mr. Tikait started very well and had a very large following among the farmer community across the caste line. I think one can never ask for a better platform than that for success. I had seen the Bhartiya Kisan Union’s agitation in Meerut. It was probably best organized agitation and full marks to Mr.Tikait for that. However, I believe that the force behind that organization taking off so well was a retired Justice Ch. Mahavir Singh. There were couples of more guys some of them retired army officers who were the force behind that agitation. It drew national support and CM of UP late Mr. Veer Bhadra Singh was shaken up. What I learnt from some people who were in the close circle, that once the success came to Mr. Tikait, he became arrogant and did not listen to the people who were helping him out in organizing the affairs of the BKU. I don’t know how far that is true, but the fact that Mr. Tikait did not get any notable success after those people left his organization, speaks well enough for his own capabilities.
I have tried to be as objective as I could be. I know it is not going to be to the liking of many ardent supporters of these political leaders and certainly not to the liking of those for whom, being a JAT is good enough qualification for any assignment.
I would say, we do need aggressive/strong leaders at all levels of our government, they may not be JAT by caste. Let us support those who fulfill the definition of strong, fair and aggressive leaders irrespective of the caste they come from. I would like to support an honest non-Jat to a dishonest Jat, a competent non-Jat to an incompetent Jat. Once we start realizing the importance of the qualities like competence and honesty, caste would become irrelevant.
Looks too idealistic to be practical. But let me assure you, unless we try we would never know whether or not it is practical. Once we adopt this attitude, these leaders would stop playing with caste sentiments and would start working for the communities.


Very right and straight talking, when we talk of the National leader. The Politician mentioned above have done well for themselves at the level they are, but they are nowhere near the aspiration and stature of a national leader. On the hind-sight, if Lalu can be seen at the national scene and probably give lesson to B-school, they are not bad.
It would not be a bad idea if we systematically groom some young mind here, but it is very difficult to get jats to consensus (joking)

[aarti]

. .. . . . . It would not be a bad idea if we systematically groom some young mind here, but it is very difficult to get jats to consensus (joking)



I think it’s a very good and mature idea.

Lets try and gather few names of ‘young minds’ who could potentially be cultivated.

[rameshlakra]

Only name that comes to my mind is "Navin Gulia", and i am sure many who have seen his selfless dedication to the community and social service would agree. I have taken this liberty to propose his name without his concurrence.

regards

[varunkumar]

yes its a good question to discuss

[netrapalsingh]

Only name that comes to my mind is "Navin Gulia", and i am sure many who have seen his selfless dedication to the community and social service would agree. I have taken this liberty to propose his name without his concurrence.

regards

pooree tarah sahmat hoo mai naveen bhai ek samarpit personality hai or aiseee saksh kee to sarahna hee kee janee chahiye par meree najar me
national level par koi young mind najar nahi aataa. Aise samarpit karykarta to
yaha bee hai par kya unka status national level par bana sakte hai ?

Agar unko age lane kee koi yojna hai to hame bhee batye poree suport milegee aapko.

netra...........

[aarti]

Who is Navin Gulia ??

[cooljat]

dear aartiji,

u dont know Navin, hummm strange,
well just visit : www.navingulia.com
and Jan Jagriti Thread on Jatland!!

Rock on
JitWho is Navin Gulia ??

[netrapalsingh]

I think it’s a very good and mature idea.

Lets try and gather few names of ‘young minds’ who could potentially be cultivated.

aartee jee aap hee nay chehre suggest kare kyo kee national level ke level ka koi young jat meree najar me to hai nahi jo samarpit ho, kootnitigy ho,
samajik ho. agar aap ke knowledge me ho krpya bataye.


netra....

[sunit]

what we need is not aggressive jat leaders but leaders who are commited to our cause , leaders are the one who lead with example leaders are not one who are opportunist(there are ample examples around us but i will not name them), we need to make right choices the responsibility is entirely ours we cant turn our backs to it and blame our fate nothing is lost yet. these view are entirely mine and i am sorry if it hurts any JAT'S sensibilites.
JAT BALWAN

[raj2rif]

Dear Ramesh Ji,

Nice name. Naveen Gulia is a committed Indian and doing well for the society and not only for Jats. He has established his identity in the community and can take on from there.

However Naveen alone may not be able to achieve the desired results. What we need is an agenda. That is the first thing that comes to my mind. Once the agenda is clear, then we need a core group who supports that agenda. That is what the brain of a political/social organization is. Then we need a face to project it. That face could be Mr. Naveen Gulia.

The core group as well as the face need to understand one thing, that one of them making a mistake will take the spark away from the organization. We really don't need any other organization. Jan Jagriti itself is ideal plateform to launch cleansing of the system. We need to start from one village. Let us convince one entire village across the party lines and across the different communities that we are committted for their development.

Remember "Doodh Ka Jala Chach Ko Bhi Phoonk- Phoonk Kar Pita Hai." and all our communities have experienced that HOT MILK some time or other and hence it is not going to be easy. It has to start off as a social organization like "Jan Jagriti" and then has to be slowly transitioned into a political force that can turn the things around.

Let us have views of the members.

[mukeshkumar007]

[ It has to start off as a social organization like "Jan Jagriti" and then has to be slowly transitioned into a political force that can turn the things around


well! starting with a social organisation and then positioning it into a political structure
is not a bad idea...it seems great... but I wonder if it can be achieved because the success of this plan depends on the attitude of the members of that group.. what I'hve observed in last few years that at present there are hardly few person who want to give something back to society.. may be we are discussing the present problems faced by our society with sensirity and by giving adoptable inputs on this site but the attitude is missing when it comes to implement them on ground level...

pehle wali baat nahi rehi jato maie ab uncleji..without unity this is not possible..

[netrapalsingh]

well! starting with a social organisation and then positioning it into a political structure
is not a bad idea...it seems great... but I wonder if it can be achieved because the success of this plan depends on the attitude of the members of that group.. what I'hve observed in last few years that at present there are hardly few person who want to give something back to society.. may be we are discussing the present problems faced by our society with sensirity and by giving adoptable inputs on this site but the attitude is missing when it comes to implement them on ground level...

pehle wali baat nahi rehi jato maie ab uncleji..without unity this is not possible..

theek kaha mukesh jato me ab pahalee walee bat nahi hai jo ekta pahale thee wo ab najar nai atee uska ek karan or bhee hai 60% jat sampann or educated ho gaye. Jaroorat hee logo ko apas me jodtee hai 1995-96 me Sikar me Jatmasabha hoyee thee mai bhee gayaa tha itne sare jat ek saath dekh kar bhoot khooshee huyee thee. gulabee chehere wale no jawan ek jhande ke neeche khade ho kar jato ka man badha rahe the. Parantoo Phogat golikand ke bad jato me kai dal ban gayee or sikar ka bhoot boora hal ho gayaa.
Narayan Singh jaise neta bhee us sthitee ko sambhal nahi paa rahe hai.


netra..........

[raj2rif]

well! starting with a social organisation and then positioning it into a political structure
is not a bad idea...it seems great... but I wonder if it can be achieved because the success of this plan depends on the attitude of the members of that group.. what I'hve observed in last few years that at present there are hardly few person who want to give something back to society.. may be we are discussing the present problems faced by our society with sensirity and by giving adoptable inputs on this site but the attitude is missing when it comes to implement them on ground level...

pehle wali baat nahi rehi jato maie ab uncleji..without unity this is not possible..

Dear Mukesh,

Any thing can be achieved. We just need to start it. Jan Jagriti is already there. Mr. Naveen Gulia is a committed social worker. Help him develop this organization, discuss with him the political transition. I am sure together we all can achieve what we want to achieve.

Unfortunate part is that most of us want the over night results and guarantee for success even before we take the first step. Such guarantees come from investment like CD's or Savings accounts which pay in pennies. Big success requires bigger risks. How many of us are willing to take that. Second problem is that we all want to be leader and not soldiers. Be a soldier in an organization, do your best and sooner or later you will become a leader. No army officer is ever commissioned as a General/Brigadier to say the least. They all join at entry level and work their way up. During this journey, some are lost out or get distracted and some continue till end.

Success is a long and hard process. Look in to your self and first find out are you for it? If the answer is yes, the ways will be many.

We do try to blame system, leaders, and every one else that we can have a pick, how many of us have carried out an honest introspection to find out what we are? What we did and what we did not? Some time the most important question to ask to oneself is "am I prepared to do the same thing that I expect others to do for me?"

"Bina Tape Kundan Kanak Kaya Nahin Hoti,
Apne se badh kar Jag mein koi Maya Nahin Hoti,
Areh Raah Mein Chalne Wale Rahee ke paon he jante hain yeh to,
Ki Badlon ki chaon se chaya nahin hoti"

[aarti]

aartee jee aap hee nay chehre suggest kare kyo kee national level ke level ka koi young jat meree najar me to hai nahi jo samarpit ho, kootnitigy ho,
samajik ho. agar aap ke knowledge me ho krpya bataye.


netra....


Following is my suggestion, guess people of Rajasthan will choose "first among equals" . . . in times to come.

Manoj Choudhary, Ex Pradhan – Kishanganj, Baara
Raghuvendra Mirdha, Nagaur/Jodhpur Division
Harish Choudhary, Barmer
Virendra Beniwal, MLA - Lunkaransar, Bikaner
Virendra Choudhary, Bikaner
Dilip Choudhary, Jetaran/Pali

[netrapalsingh]

Following is my suggestion, guess people of Rajasthan will choose "first among equals" . . . in times to come.

Manoj Choudhary, Ex Pradhan – Kishanganj, Baara
Raghuvendra Mirdha, Nagaur/Jodhpur Division
Harish Choudhary, Barmer
Virendra Beniwal, MLA - Lunkaransar, Bikaner
Virendra Choudhary, Bikaner
Dilip Choudhary, Jetaran/Pali


kuch nam or jodna chaunga

Col. Sona Ram (Bikaner)
Kuldeep Kulhari (Jaipur)
Rajesh Babel (Jhunjhunu)
Mahendra Singh Choudhary( X-President of Rajasthan University)

netra......

parantoo ye rajasthan ke yoova hai. All India level par bhee charcha honee chahiye.

[aarti]

kuch nam or jodna chaunga

Col. Sona Ram (Bikaner)
Kuldeep Kulhari (Jaipur)
Rajesh Babel (Jhunjhunu)
Mahendra Singh Choudhary( X-President of Rajasthan University)

netra......

parantoo ye rajasthan ke yoova hai. All India level par bhee charcha honee chahiye.

Col. Sona Ram - Its end of the story for him. If he is able to get a MLA ticket, it would be good.

Rest are too young or still to prove their worth in the "Congress" system.