We need an aggressive Jat Leader in Rajasthan ?

[mukeshkumar007]

It is really pity painful to see that rajasthan has not been able to produce even a single aggressive Jat leader who really can represent our community in true sense. Although there have been many Jat leader active in politics but none of them have been able to set an example to our next generation. Some of them feel ashamed to be called a Jat Leader so I don’t think we can really expect for any thing from such type of leaders. The territory of Sikar, Jhunjhunu and Churu which known as a Shekhawati, where jats are really playing a significant role in politics. No party can win election without their support. But this region is also missing a real Jat leader. Sikar district has a Jat Mp (Subash Maharia) but he did nothing for the community and in the same way in Jhunjhunu, Sishram Ola has been elected for many times for the parliament but failed to do anything good for our community. From a long time we are demanding for a jat chief minister in state but hardly there is any leader in our community who deserve this post.
The leader who impressed me much is Amra Ram (MLA from CPM). He might be called a true jat leader, in him I saw many characteristics which are much crucial to be an aggressive jat leader. But being a communist follower he can not lead to the entire community because his party’s ideology doesn’t suit to Jats.
In previous assembly election some ratio of the jat votes have shifted towards BJP but I think our interests may not be fulfill with it because BJP is known as a Rajput and Baniya party.
In the congress there were some rays of hope when Narayan Singh was elected as a PCC (Pardesh Congress Committee) chief but again there was nothing except disappointment, as he did nothing remarkable neither for our community nor for his party. Now Ram Narayan Choudhary has nominated as an opposition leader in assembly but I am not sure he would be able to enlighten our comm in state.
What is the main reason behing this? Why have we not been able to introduce a true jat leader in state. One day some one told me that the basic problem with us is that we (JAT) in rajasthan never sit together, and always fight with each other. That’s why every political party play with us for their own interests.
In my views, we need a leader like Ashok Gehlot (who makes all saini community proud) in state who can move ahead by bringing every dissatisfied sections of the society together so that in future we may have a JAT CM in state.

Pata nahi koi aisa leader kab hoga...???Kabi kabi to aisa lagta hai ki mujhe hi chunav ladna padega… LOL

[jakhar77]

You have raised a very valid issue Mukesh.
As we see Jats are dominant in many constituencies and they are in a good number in assembly but not able to do something for community.
Majority of the blame goes to the mere party politics.actaully they are using the community.
You rightly pointed out towards the shortcomings. The main problem is the lack of unity in the community. We are divided in all polotical parties. Traditionally Jats were with congress but they could not get anything from them.Now they are switching to BJP but seems that the result is going to be same. Even on individual basis the political leaders are doing nothing towards community upliftment.
We need people who are selfless and committed to community and state and in a whole countries upliftment.

[raj2rif]

Dear Mukesh,
The point raised by you is vaild and age old and does not pertain to Rajasthan alone. The story is the same in other Jat populated states be it Haryana, UP or MP.
The community should get united, the Jat leaders should do this and that, they did not look after the community and so on are the statements made regularly. This has not helped in past nor it is going to help in future.
Rather than cursing the old leaders, or current leaders, it may be a good idea that one takes the lead and uniites the community, no easy task by any means. But then extraordinary results requires extraordinary efforts. It is easy to criticize Gandhi today, but how many or us can leave the comfort of a secure job and get ready to recieve physical tourcher and devote our life what Gandhi did.
Most poeple will argue that, if I take lead, no one is going to follow me. Well that is true, people don't follow you unless they are convinced that you are the people whom they can trust. Unfortunately people have different interests. For some one getting a license by illigitimate means may be service to community while for others it may be construction of a depleted road in the neighborhood. Definition of community service differs from person to person.
If that be the case, then what should a leader do?
The first and foremost thing is to contact people and make sure they know you and what you stand for. It may take months or years, but definitely will not be done overnight. If you are really concerned for the community then take the lead. You have to focus on your mission and probably may have to forget your near ones. You may have to make the community your family and bring every one member togather. Difficult but achievable.
Such work do not get you much money (not withstanding the fact that most politicians or even social workers have made a lot) The true service to community has to come from the character called "Garibdas" who has left the lust of accumulating the wealth and has decided to concentrate his/her energies for the upliftment of the community.
I don't believe in non-political organizations. One has to create a political organization and get into power to take decisions. Not and easy task, but definitely achievable.
The democratic system does not allow you to get to the power based on a narrow political base. Thus while one has to ensure that the entire community is with him/her, he/she has to take all other communities along and look after the interests of community called "INDIAN" rather then only taking care of Jats or Rajputs.

A lot can be written on the subject. It is because of this reason I had been propogating to have a rural community strength, where the interests of the rural population are taken care of. Remember any thing given free only spoils the public. People must earn their living. If you give a fish to some one, you feed him only for a day, but if you tell him how to fish you feed him for life.

[atul.jhajhria]

I agree with Mr. Virendra, its very tough to follow that route :p. Almost all of us are thinkers but we need perormers. Who knows there may be some Jat leader who is doing this.

I agree with mukesh partly, we need aggresive leader in Rajastan, but not Haryana. Haryana is already a heaven for Jats. Be it any government the power is with Jats always. Thankgod that anti-jat bishnoi Bhajanlal was dethroned by hooda. :D

[anilchahar]

yes i aggree that we need a aggressive jat leader in rajasthan,in haryana no problem always jats in power and haryana given us DEVILAL(TAU) a great jat leader
rajasthan given Balram jakhar,kunwar natwar singh,Gyan prakash pilania(who played a great role in obtaining reservation for jats in rajasthan)
all jats in rajasthan become united for OBC reservation,rajasthan only the state in country where jats got reservation it is example of unity when it needs.i belong to jhunjhunu dist. shisram ola is the MP from here he is always ready to work for his consistuency and for all jats. he bought two PM of india DEVEGODA and IK GUJRAL in jhunjhunu and raised his consistuency problems and jat reservation issue shisram ola JAMIN SE JUDDA HUA ADMI HAI MANTA HOO WO AGGRESSIVE NAHI HAI LEKIN JATO KE LIYE USNE BAHOOT KUCH KIYA HAI. we can not forget his services for jat community.

[narenderkharb]

One can not understand why jats are denied their right, despite being the largest group in rajasthan.

A jat CM for rajasthan and creation of Harit Pardesh are two most important unfinished objectives of jat nation.
Let us strive for it, in what ever capacity we can do.

[amitdahiya]

Dear Mukesh,
But we do have a fine aggressive jat leader in Rajasthan. She is the Chief Minister of the state. Let us support her and not erode her strength by seeking too many options during her first term. It is important to support her for a second term in the best interests of the kaum. Let us demonstrate political sophistication at this point of time.. What do you think


Regards Amit

[amanjaat]

it is evident from our history that jats hav produced fierce warriors and daring leaders but unity is the question that has been lingering on ever since we realised ourselves.
the main points that can be pointed out are
1.it is easy to manipulate jats because they are simple and hardworkilg peasents.
2.the rivalries sparked among them even by a trivial incident can lead to fatal fights and even killings.
3.religion also hav divided us,sikh jats (jatts) r cosidered separate and inter marriage doesnt take place even though their blood is as pure as ours(because they dont marry outside).
4.absence of a common platform to unite them and give them a voice which can be heard by the whole community.
5.absence of a political body exclusively for jats for their needs ..just like sikhs hav akalis.

i think if we can overcome these flaws then our community can be the most advanced,educated and most contributing to the nation.

any ways im just 18 and away from my country for a while so if i said something that is inappropriate...plz pardon me.:o

[mukeshkumar007]

Dear Mukesh,
She is the Chief Minister of the state.
Regards Amit

bhai how she is a jat ??

[prashantacmet]

JAAT ke byaahi to JAATNI hui hor ke JHEEMRI hui.................
sunnnn example...... teri noo kona simajh main aawe.......
Master ki bahu masterni.....
Dakder ki bahu dakderni......
arrrrrrrr
JAAT ki bohdiya JAATNI............
eibbe to aagi hoggi simajh main..............hihihihhhhhhhhhaaaahhhhhhh hohohhhhhhhhh........... mukesh bhai tu bhi katai hadh kare...... badaam pee ke bhi saari kho di tai to..................
bhai how she is a jat ??

[narenderkharb]

A jat leader who identifies him or herself with jats and jat interests.

Last time we heard about her jat husband was when she denied him houce entry and the poor guy was living seprately in Rohtak.What is the situation now, we don't know.

[desijat]

JAAT ke byaahi to JAATNI hui hor ke JHEEMRI hui.................
sunnnn example...... teri noo kona simajh main aawe.......
Master ki bahu masterni.....
Dakder ki bahu dakderni......
arrrrrrrr
JAAT ki bohdiya JAATNI............
eibbe to aagi hoggi simajh main..............hihihihhhhhhhhhaaaahhhhhhh hohohhhhhhhhh........... mukesh bhai tu bhi katai hadh kare...... badaam pee ke bhi saari kho di tai to..................
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Raandh kaat di katte hi parshanteee


Ibja u Zindagi bhar na bhulega......... HAHAHAHA

[sktewatia]

Not making Jat CM in Rajasthan is not due to the faults of Jats. Its due to their opposition by Rajputs and other allied lobies at the center.

[sktewatia]

Rajputs will tolerate any other caste from lowest to highest but not Jat. They can even tolerate Jat PM at center but not Jat CM in Rajasthan.

[netrapalsingh]

bhai how she is a jat ??

mukesh agar ham mane to leader rajasthan main bhi the
aur hai, lekin kami hamari hai jo ham oonki kabiliyat ko pahchan
nahi rahe for example do you about Eeshwar Singh Nehra
Jato ko OBC main lane main oonka bhoot bada haath hai
lekin hame pata hi nahi kay tum Sumitra Singh ko jante ho?
first graduate lady jageerdaroo ke khilaf andolan main koodne
walee phali mahila thi. Leader bhoot hai rajasthan main par
oonko wo samman nahi mila jo oonko milna chahiye.

Leader se aap ka kayaa matlab main samajh nahi payaa.
par ek aisa saksh hai jo apni kary shali ke bare main jana
jata hai Shri Parasram Maderna rajiv gandhi bhi osse
baat karte hooe darte the wo bade bade pado par rahte hue
bhi Jyoti nagar ke ek simple se flat mainr rahte the oonke samne
kisi ki bolne ki himmat nahi hoti thi.

ho sakta hai mai kuch galat hoo.

[sktewatia]

yes i aggree that we need a aggressive jat leader in rajasthan,in haryana no problem always jats in power and haryana given us DEVILAL(TAU) a great jat leader
rajasthan given Balram jakhar,kunwar natwar singh,Gyan prakash pilania(who played a great role in obtaining reservation for jats in rajasthan)
all jats in rajasthan become united for OBC reservation,rajasthan only the state in country where jats got reservation it is example of unity when it needs.i belong to jhunjhunu dist. shisram ola is the MP from here he is always ready to work for his consistuency and for all jats. he bought two PM of india DEVEGODA and IK GUJRAL in jhunjhunu and raised his consistuency problems and jat reservation issue shisram ola JAMIN SE JUDDA HUA ADMI HAI MANTA HOO WO AGGRESSIVE NAHI HAI LEKIN JATO KE LIYE USNE BAHOOT KUCH KIYA HAI. we can not forget his services for jat community.

I also agree that Sis Ram Ola is dedicated simple Jat leader. I owe my achievements to him in my research work when he was our Minister earlier.

[sandeepbalyan]

Just want to write an example, How other politicians help own cast

Mulayam singh yadav has done so much for yadavs for example you can c mostly every good post in U.P govt have been taken by yadavs. He do lot for own people .If I remember well
he is the one who chaged Merrut university name to chowdhary charan sing university ..
no western jat politicains was able to do it.

He is a man who favour help his people like any thing starting from own caste .

we require some who have more than him.What I mean here are good qualities.I really like this man's open heart for his people.

Most of our politicains do not have unity .....

Most of them have one formula AAO -- KHAO --KAMAO - JAAO
This is the big reason our areas are not developed in case of infrastructure and unemployment and our youths are moving towards crime.


Regards
Sandeep

[aarti]

I have just become a member of this site, its really for the first time I am digging into it, I am both amused and surprised by the kind of seriousness in this forum. Friends its really commendable that at least us, IT literate generation, is discussing for larger good of the Jat community which probably our elders should have done.

Mukesh, it’s a very thoughtful topic, though I am not sure if we need an aggressive Jat leader in Rajasthan, but we surely need a leader, a mass leader, a leader we can respect, not just politically but socially as well.

As Netrapal Singh Choudhary puts it, one such mass leader we have is “Parasram Maderna”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasram_Maderna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasram_Maderna). Yes, he still lives in a two bedroom flat in Jyoti Nagar, Jaipur.

I doubt many people know about him, but then I doubt many people know about Jat Politics in Rajasthan. Its rather sad how he missed becoming Rajasthan first Jat Chief Minister, thanks to the infighting our own self proclaimed leaders.

We need to be conscious of our social responsibilities and we need to learn to demand what we want and whom we want.

[mirdha]

You surely have insight to Rajasthan politics.

[aarti]

In 1946, a retired DIG of police in Rajasthan, Baldev Ram Mirdha, created the Marwar Kisan Sabha in Jodhpur division of Rajasthan, primarily to introduce land reforms. The Marwar Kisan Sabha represented the Jats, and its merger with Congress after Independence gradually brought the community economic prosperity and political power to the Congress. But one prize has eluded this community, and that is chief ministership.

This issue has come to the boil time and again, mainly because in 1998, Parasram Maderna, the then Congress Legislative Party leader, failed to become the state’s first Jat CM even though the party swept the state, winning 153 of the 200 seats under his leadership. Instead, the Congress leadership plumped for PCC chief Ashok Gehlot as the CM instead of Maderna.

Maderna being mass leader and a man of honour chose to sit at home rather then shout out loud in public.

[trueblueindian]

mukesh agar ham mane to leader rajasthan main bhi the
aur hai, lekin kami hamari hai jo ham oonki kabiliyat ko pahchan
nahi rahe for example do you about Eeshwar Singh Nehra
Jato ko OBC main lane main oonka bhoot bada haath hai
lekin hame pata hi nahi kay tum Sumitra Singh ko jante ho?
first graduate lady jageerdaroo ke khilaf andolan main koodne
walee phali mahila thi. Leader bhoot hai rajasthan main par
oonko wo samman nahi mila jo oonko milna chahiye.

Leader se aap ka kayaa matlab main samajh nahi payaa.
par ek aisa saksh hai jo apni kary shali ke bare main jana
jata hai Shri Parasram Maderna rajiv gandhi bhi osse
baat karte hooe darte the wo bade bade pado par rahte hue
bhi Jyoti nagar ke ek simple se flat mainr rahte the oonke samne
kisi ki bolne ki himmat nahi hoti thi.

ho sakta hai mai kuch galat hoo.

i do agree wid u 100% dear, parasman ji was a great leader n a great person no doubts about that, sadly he died around 2001, one of my friend from rajasthan just confirmed to me that he had dinner in parasram ji's house and there was no nauker / servent there, the food was even served warmly by this great mans doughter, i wish we had more no. of politicians like him, RIP parasram ji

he was also the main contendor for chief ministership but ugly politics and devide between jats 9 within their own community) and rajput's forced this change aur mali chief minister ban gaya, also the contribution of large no. of jat leaders cant be forgotten here who helped this cause of apne ko hi kaatna, sab politicions ko susri apni padi hai, kaum ke baare mei koi sochta hi nahi hai. hope ppl remb. cocroach theory, hum to uth sakte nahi doosre ko bhi nahi uthne dena.

[aarti]

I suggest you recheck your information; Parasram Maderna is very much alive and contrary to belief he is in good health condition, lives respectfully.

As a matter of fact, Congress President Sonia Gandhi called upon Parasram Maderna on June 26, 2006 at his personal residence in Jaipur. This is for the first time that Sonia Gandhi has gone to someone house for a meeting.




Speculation over Sonia's meeting with Maderna
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/28/stories/2006062809640500.htm

[vijay]

Well, Miss or Mrs Aarti Ji,

I afraid calling Parasram Maderana a mass leader before the scenario that Congress leadership declared Ashok Gahlot as CM of Rajasthan and who just sit at home instead of raising his voice ( If he was a mass leader )

Its ironical that jats influence the politics of Rajasthan but jat leaders don't. You can take example stating from Kumbha Ram Arya, Nathu Ram Mirdha, Ram Niwas Mirdha, Seesh Ram Ola, Parasram maderana, Mr. Saharan, Dhankars and many others. They never tried to unite and just were busy in leg pulling other jat leaders.

They just think about politics but nothing about Jatism.

What you think ?

[aarti]

Vijay -Contrary to your belief, ground realties are different.

If PRM was not a mass leader, Sonia Gandhi would not have taken so much trouble to go and meet him at his residence on June 26, 2006 in Jaipur.

And, in politics patience pays . . . its all about endurance

Nevertheless, for record, I will not disagree with your opinion.

[sspunia]

In Churu seat always Jat Member of Parliament were elected. Presently Mr. Ram Singh Kaswan is MP from BJP.

I never had seen our leader increase voice in parliament to short out the drinking water problems of our area. Since after independence of India our people still find this main problem and daily spending hours of time to arrange and collect drinking water.

This leaders even not trying to improve the transportation facility, Increase the govt schools considering distance and population of villages etc where as looking own vote benefit for collapse of Jat Gotras in each others.

[vijay]

Vijay -Contrary to your belief, ground realties are different.

If PRM was not a mass leader, Sonia Gandhi would not have taken so much trouble to go and meet him at his residence on June 26, 2006 in Jaipur.

And, in politics patience pays . . . its all about endurance

Nevertheless, for record, I will not disagree with your opinion.



Aarti Ji,

You want to say that if Sonia gandhi meet someone personally, that implies that the person is a mass leader. Well, at least i don't agree on this point. As you know there are many groups in Rajasthan State Congress and maybe there are some issues amongst them and to resolve that issues is the priority of Sonia Gandhi. In similar manner she may had met other congress leaders too. So, its just a part of dimlomacy and politics.

I know patience pays but not always and at least in parties like Congress it hardly matters. It's just a personal thinking and closeness with the Head of the party nothing else. For example, nobody was expecting that Mr. Hooda would be the CM of Haryana after the election as there were many other candidates.

Honestly, i am not against PRM but i am putting up my points of views. I wish all my best wishes if he get a chance to become the first Jat CM of Rajasthan :)

[trueblueindian]

I suggest you recheck your information; Parasram Maderna is very much alive and contrary to belief he is in good health condition, lives respectfully.

As a matter of fact, Congress President Sonia Gandhi called upon Parasram Maderna on June 26, 2006 at his personal residence in Jaipur. This is for the first time that Sonia Gandhi has gone to someone house for a meeting.




Speculation over Sonia's meeting with Maderna
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/28/stories/2006062809640500.htm (http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/28/stories/2006062809640500.htm)


WELL SORRY ABOUT THAT ARTI, i take my words back and also apologise for the same, and no doubts he is a great leader also he worked hard for jat reservation in rajasthan. long live maderana sahab. we need leaders like him and for sure i wish he allways stays in good health.

[trueblueindian]

Well, Miss or Mrs Aarti Ji,

I afraid calling Parasram Maderana a mass leader before the scenario that Congress leadership declared Ashok Gahlot as CM of Rajasthan and who just sit at home instead of raising his voice ( If he was a mass leader )

Its ironical that jats influence the politics of Rajasthan but jat leaders don't. You can take example stating from Kumbha Ram Arya, Nathu Ram Mirdha, Ram Niwas Mirdha, Seesh Ram Ola, Parasram maderana, Mr. Saharan, Dhankars and many others. They never tried to unite and just were busy in leg pulling other jat leaders.

They just think about politics but nothing about Jatism.

What you think ?


well vijay if you had read my post above this post of urz u would have realised as how gehlot came into power. and for sure if sonia gandhi is calling up on someones house for the first time in her political carrer it does matter, bhaiya koi kisi ke paas tahi jaata hai jab koi kaam hota hai ya phir us aadmi ki koi khaas importance hoti hai aur woh bhi netagiri mei to khaas kar and on top of that when the one who went is in a sense the most powerfull person of this country and also one of the most powerfull women in world.

[vijay]

well vijay if you had read my post above this post of urz u would have realised as how gehlot came into power. and for sure if sonia gandhi is calling up on someones house for the first time in her political carrer it does matter, bhaiya koi kisi ke paas tahi jaata hai jab koi kaam hota hai ya phir us aadmi ki koi khaas importance hoti hai aur woh bhi netagiri mei to khaas kar and on top of that when the one who went is in a sense the most powerfull person of this country and also one of the most powerfull women in world.



Dabas bhai,

I read the post mentioned by you and i know already that how come Asok Gahlot became CM. If you had read my post ( Post no 26 ) carefully i mentioned that too.

I know Parasram Maderna from past when he was just an MLA. Did i told you that my grandfather were also MLA from Rajasthan ( Consecutively 3 times ) and i know about Rajasthan politics a lot. When politics became dirty we didn't took interest in that. Still my relatives are in politics there. Even My brother-in-law were minister in Ashok Gahlot's ministry.

You said about the grand daughter of Maderana Ji, she was classmate of my cousin sister in MGD School, Jaipur.

I also know that PRM is a simple and down to earth person. But this is nowdays politics man, and you must armed urself with all the weapons of today's politics. Some people can't do that and they suffers.

And what you say about that one of the most powerful woman, what you think about her ability when she choose a candidate in Rajasthan elections who celeberated Diwaali on the the day when Mrs. Indira Gandhi shot dead.

[aarti]

And what you say about that one of the most powerful woman, what you think about her ability when she choose a candidate in Rajasthan elections who celeberated Diwaali on the the day when Mrs. Indira Gandhi shot dead.


And who might this be !!

[netrapalsingh]

I suggest you recheck your information; Parasram Maderna is very much alive and contrary to belief he is in good health condition, lives respectfully.

As a matter of fact, Congress President Sonia Gandhi called upon Parasram Maderna on June 26, 2006 at his personal residence in Jaipur. This is for the first time that Sonia Gandhi has gone to someone house for a meeting.




Speculation over Sonia's meeting with Maderna
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/28/stories/2006062809640500.htm (http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/28/stories/2006062809640500.htm)

aarti jee aab bilkul theek kah rahee hai mai pichle 20 salo se contress se juda hua hu jaipur mai 1990 tak mai jaipur jila youth contress me kaam kar chukaa hoo or ye mera sobhagya hai kee maine respected parasram madairna jee ke sath kam kiya hai we kafi padhe likhe knowledgeble or swabheemani
insaan hai. jat neta or bhee hai jaise:- chandrabhan, jo kai party badal chuke hai, sheesh ram ola jo shirf jhunjhunu kee rajniti hee kar sakte hai,
rajendra choundary (Jodhpur) se jo arakshan ke samay kayaro kee tarah
ro pade the. ek or naam that Mr. Nathu Ram Mirdha. Jo ab nahee hai.
jo stage par sareaam gali de kar bolte the chahe wo hardev joshi jee ho
ya bhero singh shekhhawat, mujhe oon kee ek baat yaad hai ek baar
jab VP Singh PM bane the to jaipur mai ramniwas baag me mitting thee
waha par RSS ke aadmi gundagardi karne ke liye ghusgaye chupchap
idhar kafi sankhya me jat bhai bhee the par RSS wale pahale se hee
age baithe the jaise hee sabha shuruu hooi RSS wale shor machane lage
tabhe to wo kahde ho kar bole"are ke karo susro maro salo ne...."
phir kyaa tha jat birch gaye or RSS walo ko koot koot kar bahar nikala.

Aaaj bhee oonko Nagor me Nathu Baba ke naam se jan jaata hai.


Netra...

[trueblueindian]

Dear Vijay

if someone is down to earth and a honest man he should be appreciated, no doubts about this, mor so when he worked for our community.

well thats for sonia gandhi to choose weather someone celebrated diwali on the date indira gandhi died, this is more of a protocol kindda thing, we should not bo concerned wid this fact, we are certianlly not discussing about congress or sonia here.

also the kind of history u mentioned about your own family is really great, i wish some day using that legacy you come into politics and do something for community and nation, wish u all da very best!!!!!

[netrapalsingh]

Well, Miss or Mrs Aarti Ji,

I afraid calling Parasram Maderana a mass leader before the scenario that Congress leadership declared Ashok Gahlot as CM of Rajasthan and who just sit at home instead of raising his voice ( If he was a mass leader )

Its ironical that jats influence the politics of Rajasthan but jat leaders don't. You can take example stating from Kumbha Ram Arya, Nathu Ram Mirdha, Ram Niwas Mirdha, Seesh Ram Ola, Parasram maderana, Mr. Saharan, Dhankars and many others. They never tried to unite and just were busy in leg pulling other jat leaders.

They just think about politics but nothing about Jatism.

What you think ?

Mr Vijay,
ram ram

aap kya kahna chahte hai samaj nahee pa raha hoo kumbha ram arya
to cm ban hee chuke the parntoo ghoshana hone se ek raat pahale
hee hart attack se oonka swargwas ho gaya. Ram Niwas Mirdha, Seesh Ram Ola, Parasram maderana, Mr. Saharan, Dhankars inki tulna aap
paras ram maderna se kar rahe hai.....mai ek jajagh pahle bee bata
chuka hoo ek the Nathu Ram Mirdha we wastav me Jat leadero
me apna ek alag hee mahatv rakhte the...


netra....

[vijay]

kumbha ram arya to cm ban hee chuke the parntoo ghoshana hone se ek raat pahale hee hart attack se oonka swargwas ho gaya.
netra....

I Know about that incident, as my Granfather and Kumbha Ram Arya were fast friends and we had family terms with his family. They remain togather during freedom Struggle, fight against Rajput supermacy and after independence in Politics too. I know he was gem of a person.



Ram Niwas Mirdha, Seesh Ram Ola, Parasram maderana, Mr. Saharan, Dhankars inki tulna aap paras ram maderna se kar rahe hai.....mai ek jajagh pahle bee bata chuka hoo ek the Nathu Ram Mirdha we wastav me Jat leadero me apna ek alag hee mahatv rakhte the...
netra....

I am not questioning anybody. I just wanted to mention a few famous jat leaders. No comparasions. You are right again Nathu Ram Mirdha was a nice person too.

[aarti]

I would certainly agree with onething Natrapal mentioned, comparing Maderna ji with contemporary leaders would be lack of political insight or if I may say political ignorance. He probably is in totally a different league.

Yes, we can not compare him with kind of Nathuram ji Midha or for that matter Ch. Bansi Lal ji.

[aarti]

aarti jee aab bilkul theek kah rahee hai mai pichle 20 salo se contress se juda hua hu jaipur mai 1990 tak mai jaipur jila youth contress me kaam kar chukaa hoo or ye mera sobhagya hai kee maine respected parasram madairna jee ke sath kam kiya hai we kafi padhe likhe knowledgeble or swabheemani

Netra...

Natrapal so what do you now. With such a track record how come you are not in congress and active. You are most welcome to write to me via the forum or directly to discuss political and social matters pertaining to our community.

[vijay]

Time is changed now and politics becomes dirty and and ofcourse we can't compare Ch. Kumbha Ram Arya and Ch. Nathu Ram Mirdha with the politicians of these days.

Yes, i agree that Ch. Paras Ram Maderana is still having that attitude and honesty in his politics.

But my point of view is that i afraid if he can involve himself in the things what our present time politicians are doing ?

[aarti]

Yes, i agree that Ch. Paras Ram Maderana is still having that attitude and honesty in his politics. But my point of view is that i afraid if he can involve himself in the things what our present time politicians are doing ?


OK Vijay, lets have your verdict, who according to you can deliver in Rajsthan’s Jat Politics ??

[vijay]

OK Vijay, lets have your verdict, who according to you can deliver in Rajsthan’s Jat Politics ??


Well, i don't see any Jat leader who can make a difference in the Rajasthan politics but no doubt that Paras Ram Maderana stands tall above any other present jat leader.

[skarmveer]

Aarti Ji

You are very right about Mr Maderana, but please can you say something when
somebody not in news what is his status in politics. I think Politics is depend
on popularity of that person who is in politics whether his Imandar or Chor,
whether he is down to earth or very high status.

Please say what change you find in his status after the visit Mrs Sonia Ghandhi.

Karmveer Chahal

Natrapal so what do you now. With such a track record how come you are not in congress and active. You are most welcome to write to me via the forum or directly to discuss political and social matters pertaining to our community.

[netrapalsingh]

Natrapal so what do you now. With such a track record how come you are not in congress and active. You are most welcome to write to me via the forum or directly to discuss political and social matters pertaining to our community.

Aarti jee, maine 1990 me kuch family problem ke karn jaipur chod diya tha
or pilani me service join kar lee. Leken Jaipur or Congress se mai abhee bhee juda hua hoo. mere bhoot se friends jo congress me hai unse
abhi bhi mere batchit hoti hai. aap bilkul theek soch rahee hai
agar jat CM kee baat hai Rajasthan ke liye to Maderna jee good
examle hai. Sumitra jee bhee hai liken wo bhee party badaltee rahtee hai.
mai aap kee ray se sahmat hoo.


netra.......

[netrapalsingh]

I Know about that incident, as my Granfather and Kumbha Ram Arya were fast friends and we had family terms with his family. They remain togather during freedom Struggle, fight against Rajput supermacy and after independence in Politics too. I know he was gem of a person.




I am not questioning anybody. I just wanted to mention a few famous jat leaders. No comparasions. You are right again Nathu Ram Mirdha was a nice person too.

Mr Vijay,
Kavitiye to aapkee achee thee hee ye jankar or bhee acha laga kee apke
Grandfather ne kinsan andolan me bhag liya aise ghar me paida hona hee
sobhagya kee bat hai. onke bare poora vivran dena kyo kee is bare mai
mai ek article likh raha hoo.

netra.....

[aarti]

Politics does not correspond to being Imandar or Chor
Politics does not correspond to being in limelight or being in Press/TV
Politics does correspond to one word in a democracy – VOTE
I hope I have answered your question. . . .

[aarti]

Well, i don't see any Jat leader who can make a difference in the Rajasthan politics but no doubt that Paras Ram Maderana stands tall above any other present jat leader.


Point taken, thank you.

[mukeshkumar007]

Leader like PRM, Sishram Ola, Subash Mahariya, Narayan Singh Choudhary, Ram Narayan Choudhary may be good as individually but as a Jat Leader none of them did justice with Jat community... this is a fact... what Sishram ola did for jhunjhunu inspite of being elected for consecutively three year. ? PRM ko uska putar prem aur ghatiya rajniti (as people of Laxmangarh constituency says about this) le dubi.
Sach to yehi hai ki at present koi bi leader aisa nahi hai jo rajasthan politics maie kuch active role nibha sake aur apni community ke liye kuch kar sake…
Would be better if they give chance to young leader instead of doing dakosala rajniti…

[aarti]

First and foremost, one cannot compare all these leaders; they are all different in their outlook, political stature and sphere of area.

Second, PRM never had ‘putra prem’. To best of my knowledge PRM’s son stood for election for the first time in 2004, in which PRM also did not go. As of ‘ghatiya rajniti’ I guess I will leave Netrapal ji to answer this.

Mukesh Kumar ji, but I would like to have your sincere opinion on who according to you will make potentially good ‘young leaders’ in Rajasthan

Actually it would be nice to here from others too who they find potential young leaders in Rajasthan.

[skarmveer]

Thanks Aarti ji

You have replied well, But I am not satisfied much because who are getting votes are not at good posts Like Mr PRM but by luck without getting any vote Mr Manmohan Singh is a PM and also without having any experieance of
politics Mrs Sonia Gandhi is head of Congress as well as UPA and may be the
next Prime Minister.

Please put sum light and obliged me.

Thanks and Regards
Karmveer Chahal

Politics does not correspond to being Imandar or Chor
Politics does not correspond to being in limelight or being in Press/TV
Politics does correspond to one word in a democracy – VOTE
I hope I have answered your question. . . .

[aarti]

Karamveer ji, You want me to write on Hypothetical situation . . . .

Lets talk about PRM and Ashok Ghelot. To cut it short, Ashok Gehlot became CM even though the INC swept the state, winning 153 of the 200 seats under PRM’s leadership in 1998. And Ashok Gehlot did simple three things;


Suck up to the leadership and people around her.
Take favors from Rajput leadership within congress, i.e. Arjun Singh and Late Scindia. A Rajput would any day favor a non Jat, no matter which side of political divide they stand.
Last and the easiest for Ashok Gehlot, he divided the Jat leaders among themselves; i.e. Natwar Singh, RN Mirdha, Sisram Ola.
Now you can say PRM was not smart enough, he did not deserve it . ..

And I will say


Same leadership & people are now sucking PRM for Jat votes
Same Rajput leaders have no power source from Rajasthan as there is no INC in Rajasthan any more
Last, but not the least, its elementary to understand who stands tallest among 4 Jat contenders for 1998 CM post in Rajasthan.
And let me remind all that this is not the first time that Jats have themselves not let a Jat CM in Rajasthan, it happened first in 1972, then in 1990 and then the famous debacle of 1998. But I guess the heaviest price Jat community will have to pay will be for 1998.

[vijay]

Mukesh bhai,

Main aapse sahmat nahin hoon. Ek IAS ka beta IAS banta hai to hum kahte hain normal baat hai, isi tarah fauji ka beta fauji or Police officer ka beta police mein jaata hai to saare kahte hain ki normal baat hai. Phir agar ek politician ka beta agar politics mein jaata hai to isme kya galat baat hai ?

I am not against any leader but if the people from a specific region are against a leader that doesn't mean that the person has/had committed a sin. It's todays politics and its all about strategies and conspirancies. If PRM Maderana helped his son than what is wrong in that. If any relative of yours fighting an election, what you will do ? You will support him or not ? He is a politician and just mind that he is a father too and have responsibilities as a father towards his son. I see no harm if PRM supported his son. From Nehru to Sonia and Charan Singh to Devi Lal who didn't did that.

About the young leaders :
It's rare chances that a new comer with a dymanic personality would be there to influence the politics of Rajasthan. As entering into today's politics is not easy these days as earlier. To get a ticket from a national level party everybody need resoures and power. So, just try to search in the jat leaders who have kids or relatives who have some potencial or any Rajasthan university Student Union Leaders or hope for any miracle. Sometimes miracles do happen.

At least i don't see any young jat leader who can influence the politics of rajasthan.

But let's hope for the best.

[aarti]

I must admit, for the first time I have to agree with you fully.

As a suggestion, with the kind of lineage you mentioned on this forum you have, and on a sincere note, why don’t you look at politics as a serious vocation?

[vijay]

I must admit, for the first time I have to agree with you fully.

As a suggestion, with the kind of lineage you mentioned on this forum you have, and on a sincere note, why don’t you look at politics as a serious vocation?


Thanks a lot for that !:)

I don't like todays politics as a person i can't do that becoz i am too sensitive and get things on heart easily. But, as a practical and logical person i accept everything about today's politics and know that what is acceptable now.

But personally i think that i am too idealistic and not fit for today's politics.:)

[netrapalsingh]

Karamveer ji, You want me to write on Hypothetical situation . . . .

Lets talk about PRM and Ashok Ghelot. To cut it short, Ashok Gehlot became CM even though the INC swept the state, winning 153 of the 200 seats under PRM’s leadership in 1998. And Ashok Gehlot did simple three things;

Suck up to the leadership and people around her.
Take favors from Rajput leadership within congress, i.e. Arjun Singh and Late Scindia. A Rajput would any day favor a non Jat, no matter which side of political divide they stand.
Last and the easiest for Ashok Gehlot, he divided the Jat leaders among themselves; i.e. Natwar Singh, RN Mirdha, Sisram Ola.Now you can say PRM was not smart enough, he did not deserve it . ..

And I will say

Same leadership & people are now sucking PRM for Jat votes
Same Rajput leaders have no power source from Rajasthan as there is no INC in Rajasthan any more
Last, but not the least, its elementary to understand who stands tallest among 4 Jat contenders for 1998 CM post in Rajasthan. And let me remind all that this is not the first time that Jats have themselves not let a Jat CM in Rajasthan, it happened first in 1972, then in 1990 and then the famous debacle of 1998. But I guess the heaviest price Jat community will have to pay will be for 1998.

namaste aartee jee,

ab tak mai aap se poori tarah sahmat tha par yaha aap shayad kuch galat
hai ye indira gandhi ke samay kee rajneetee hai kee rajasthan me jat CM
nahi banna chahiya jaha tak jhunjhunu district me sheeshram ola jee ka
sawal yaha chunav sada jat banam other cast ke beech hota hai jiska
fayada sheeshram ola jee uthate hai. Mukesh ne sahee kaha hai putra pream. Unka ladka sada jhunjhunu se MLA ke liye congress ek ticket
par ladta hai. Jaha ta uskee yogyta ka sawal hai uskee yogyta se to
kudh Sheeshram Jee bhe sharminda hai.

Congress ke paas Balaram Jakhar jaise neta the Kya we CM ke layak nahi the ya hai nahi. Natwar singh ko to inhone baraf me laga diya.
Ashok Gahlot kahi se CM ke layak aadmee nahi the ye wo leader hai
jab indira gandhi ke samay me ye matri the or inko ek viman yatra
me airhostes se badsaluke ke karan mantri pad se hataya gaya tha.

Rajput leader ek bhee congress me sahi posion me ho to batao
rajasthan me gulab singh saktawat the grahmatri ghalot sarkar me.
center me arjun singh kee kya takat hai ye bhee aap jantee hai.



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netra........

[aarti]

I also said what you are saying,

Mukesh specifically mentioned 'putra prem' for PRM, my answer was for that, not for anybody else.

Balram Jakher is not from Rajasthan, he was never part of Rajasthan Jat CM race, so far atleast.

When I mentioned Rajput leaders, I meant Rajput leaders of Congress based in AICC, very specifically Sh. Scindia and Sh. Arjun Singh, who did on record oppose PRM in Oct of 1998 for Rajasthan CM post.

[aarti]

There is an article in TOI-Ndelhi today “Natwar's revenge: Will campaign against Congress” which basically reads that Natwar Singh ji would campaign extensively in Uttar Pradesh and Uttaranchal against the INC, which he has already started doing in Rajasthan.

The article also reads; There are indications that he is weighing the option of floating his own political outfit to gain some space in Rajasthan with pockets of influence in adjoining UP areas

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2019031.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2019031.cms)

My question is what shall be ramifications of Natwar Singh’s mood swing on Congress and Jats in Rajasthan. How much impact will Jagat Singh and Natwar Singh have on Rajasthan Politics and how can it be countered ?

[bahadur1]

Aarti Ji, I do not think the campain would be fruitful without the assistance of Maharaja Vishwendra Singh. If he (K. Natwar SIngh) does this tie up with the Maharaja it may be possible.

[vijay]

There is an article in TOI-Ndelhi today “Natwar's revenge: Will campaign against Congress” which basically reads that Natwar Singh ji would campaign extensively in Uttar Pradesh and Uttaranchal against the INC, which he has already started doing in Rajasthan.

The article also reads; There are indications that he is weighing the option of floating his own political outfit to gain some space in Rajasthan with pockets of influence in adjoining UP areas

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2019031.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2019031.cms)

My question is what shall be ramifications of Natwar Singh’s mood swing on Congress and Jats in Rajasthan. How much impact will Jagat Singh and Natwar Singh have on Rajasthan Politics and how can it be countered ?


Well, i don't think that Natwar Singh and Jagat Singh can infulence the politics even in Rajasthan forget about UP and Uttranchal.

The problem with congress leaders is that they don't have any personal influence outside their home constituencies. Whatever they do in national politics is just due to the fact that Congress in a national level party and they get chances to known as national level leaders. If they thrown out of the party they are nill in politics.

Natwar Singh and Jagat Singh can influence the people of their home constituency or maybe 1-2 surrounding constituencies a little bit and can't do anything beyond that.

[narenderkharb]

Arti ji

I wanted to know two things about jat poltics in Rajasthan.

Was there any meeting of all jat leaders at Natwar's residence for jat cm when gehlot was CM ,it was in papers next morning but denied by Natwar Singh.

And it was often rumoured that Bhairon Singh has influenced PRM during his CM's and PRM's leader of oppostion tenure and reason cited was his son only.

I do think that as far honesty and stature goes no one can compete with PRM.

It was a news to me that politics in rajasthan too centres on jatv/s others as in haryana and punjab and not on rajput v/s others.

Is there no other group that sides with jat in elections as sikh generally go with jats in haryana.

[vijay]

Arti ji

I wanted to know two things about jat poltics in Rajasthan.

Was there any meeting of all jat leaders at Natwar's residence for jat cm when gehlot was CM ,it was in papers next morning but denied by Natwar Singh.


Yes. there was a meeting for Jat CM, but when Natwar Singh got the madam came to know about that meeting and she is not happy then he denied that in press.



And it was often rumoured that Bhairon Singh has influenced PRM during his CM's and PRM's leader of oppostion tenure and reason cited was his son only.


Bhairon Singh is a gud politician and he knows how to get benefit from others. Everybody have some drawbacks and people recognise that and take benefits from that. Nothing extraordinary !


I do think that as far honesty and stature goes no one can compete with PRM.


Yes, if you are talking about todays politics he is the best. But if you said that in context of all time jat leaders of Rajasthan, he is nowhere.


It was a news to me that politics in rajasthan too centres on jatv/s others as in haryana and punjab and not on rajput v/s others.


Jat votes influence the politics of Rajasthan. just check these links

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1625/16250430.htm (http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1625/16250430.htm)
http://www.rediff.com/election/1999/sep/11rajas.htm (http://www.rediff.com/election/1999/sep/11rajas.htm)
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2003/11/25/stories/2003112500300900.htm (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2003/11/25/stories/2003112500300900.htm)
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0503/144.html (http://www.hvk.org/articles/0503/144.html)


Narender Bhai, my this post is just a trailer about Rajasthan Politics.

Will post later in detail with all the facts

[aarti]

I am afraid, I am unable to understand your questions clearly, I will try and answer them to what I best understand of them, though I would be more then happy to discuss on this topic;


YES, grouping to Jat Congress leaders took place twice between 1998 and 2004,

First was within few months of the then government formation and the party (fun) was spoiled as Sisram ji Ola came to Jaipur and gave a statement in favor of Ashok Gehlot.

Second and the most important one took place post the December 2000 Congress rally in Jaipur wherein Sonia Gandhi addressed elected representatives to panchayats and municipalities from Rajasthan. In this rally apparently many a Jat representative from rural Rajasthan gave Sonia Gandhi their piece of mind for not giving Rajasthan its first Jat Chief Minister.

In this meeting Natwar Singh was present, where in he saw real time opportunity and invited Jat leaders of Congress to Delhi for his support. Fathoming that this will not work out, he later denied any such call.


PRM getting influenced by Bhairon Singh Shekhawat, as you mentioned is a rumor, let it be that.

There is a rumor I have also heard of the time when Bhairon Singh Shekhawat was in his second term (coalition government) and went to US for Heart Surgery. There were complications had he has to stay in US for a longer duration. Bhairon Singh Shekhawat’s own son-in-law Narpat Singh Rajvi (then MLA and now minister in Raje Government) wanted to defect and form a government along with Congress. With Channa Reddy as Governor in Jaipur. Feelers were sent, after much ado PRM presumed to have told Narpat Singh Rajvi that if you guys have guts come to me once Bhairon Singh Shekhawat is back in India and I will support you for CM instead of taking your support. He refused to fight cheap political battles with an army who’s general was lying in intensive care in some US Hospital.

I am not sure if I am allowed to send scan documents on this forum, there is a news article with reference to what I mentioned above somewhere in JNU news- item archives written in middle of 2004.


AS of honesty and more then that stature (of any public figure), we must leave it to history to answer.


Rajasthan has a feudal setup. The struggle is predominately between Rajput & Jat community. Both communities are further supported by smaller communities. Historically Jats have been supported in both social and political setup my minorities and present say SC/ST. But this was pre 1998, one fine day it all changed, rest is history.

[vijay]

There is a rumor I have also heard of the time when Bhairon Singh Shekhawat was in his second term (coalition government) and went to US for Heart Surgery. There were complications had he has to stay in US for a longer duration. Bhairon Singh Shekhawat’s own son-in-law Narpat Singh Rajvi (then MLA and now minister in Raje Government) wanted to defect and form a government along with Congress. With Channa Reddy as Governor in Jaipur. Feelers were sent, after much ado PRM presumed to have told Narpat Singh Rajvi that if you guys have guts come to me once Bhairon Singh Shekhawat is back in India and I will support you for CM instead of taking your support. He refused to fight cheap political battles with an army who’s general was lying in intensive care in some US Hospital.

Yes, It's true that Narpat Singh Rajvi just wanted to took advantage of Bhairon Singh's sataus and charishma there but that didn't happened whatever may be the cause.

I agree with you too Aarti Ji,

But in battlefield situation is differrent. If your opponenet is doing some mischieves you are not bound to be an idealistic. And in todays politics everything is fair as long as it's not going to hurt you personally.

Peresonally i hate this but this is the today's politics and we have to accept that by any means.



Rajasthan has a feudal setup. The struggle is predominately between Rajput & Jat community. Both communities are further supported by smaller communities. Historically Jats have been supported in both social and political setup my minorities and present say SC/ST. But this was pre 1998, one fine day it all changed, rest is history

I think i had provided sufficient links in support of this.

[mirdha]

Vijay

POLITICS: In Hindi the word is divided into two, namely Netagiri and Rajniti

Your logics certainly prevails in Netagiri.
Rajniti is a different ball-game altogether


Aarti: Did you study in JNU, which batch ?


Netrapal: I am based in Jaipur, pls do call on when you are in Jaipur next. Would be great to meet up with you.

Guys, you all are taking this issue too seriously, take it easy, its just a friendly forum.

[vijay]

Vijay

POLITICS: In Hindi the word is divided into two, namely Netagiri and Rajniti

Your logics certainly prevails in Netagiri.
Rajniti is a different ball-game altogether


Ohhh Really can u explain that who divided that word ( politics ) into two and why ?

You should try to patient your new discovery of the word 'Netagiri'

After reading ur thoughts i am waiting for the 8th wonder of this world i.e. what is Rajniti according to you.






Guys, you all are taking this issue too seriously, take it easy, its just a friendly forum.


Right, why ppl bother when this man with wonderful attitude and having such a knowledge ( Stilll have to prove that he knows about the ABC of politics ) is there. :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:

[aarti]

Vijay, you need to take it personal. Raghvendra is just repeating what all “Indian Political Thought” books say.

Raghvendra: Yes I was in JNU, SIS . . . I guess you must have also picked up that phrase from JNU, Prof Jha’s class if I have not forgotten.


AND, if I understand who you are by your name and ID, I think you have a right to say what you said.

[narenderkharb]

R N Mirdha is another player as far as rajasthan politics is concerned.

Can some one give some information regarding his political style ,his identification with jat interests,his current political influence with sonia family and his scope of fulfilling a jat space in congress decision body and similar related information.

[netrapalsingh]

Arti ji

I wanted to know two things about jat poltics in Rajasthan.

Was there any meeting of all jat leaders at Natwar's residence for jat cm when gehlot was CM ,it was in papers next morning but denied by Natwar Singh.

And it was often rumoured that Bhairon Singh has influenced PRM during his CM's and PRM's leader of oppostion tenure and reason cited was his son only.

I do think that as far honesty and stature goes no one can compete with PRM.

It was a news to me that politics in rajasthan too centres on jatv/s others as in haryana and punjab and not on rajput v/s others.

Is there no other group that sides with jat in elections as sikh generally go with jats in haryana.

narenderkharb jee
ram ram

rajasthan rajpoot rajo ka rajya raha hai maharaja surajmal baad me bharatpur ke raja bane, jat mostly kisaan hee the rajpoot jamidar
kissano par man mana atyachar karte the fir krantee kayee or
jatoo ne sangarsh karke jagardiri pratha se mukti payee ab
upar ka tabka to jaise baniye, rajpoot, brahman to isliye naraj hai
ke jaat itnee tarakee kyo kargaye, other cast isliye naraj hai kee
unhee ke samkaksh rahne wali cast taraki kyo kar gayee is liye
yaha jato se nafrat kee jatee hai pahale jato ko gadha, ghodta
kah kar bulate the par ab jat nam se hee darte hai isliye yaha rajneetee
jat banam other cast hotee hai isee karan yaha se Balram Jakhar jee
bahar se aakar chunave jeete, Darmander Bikaner se chunav jeet gaye

Kubha Ram Jee ke bad Parasram maderna hee aise member hai jo
CM ke layak hai ye congress alakmaan par nirbhar hai jise chahe
banade.


netra......

[aarti]

What’s the general perception to Jat Mahashabha in Rajasthan and it’s working these days.

[aarti]

R N Mirdha is another player as far as rajasthan politics is concerned.

Can some one give some information regarding his political style ,his identification with jat interests,his current political influence with sonia family and his scope of fulfilling a jat space in congress decision body and similar related information.


I believe Ram Niwas Mirdha ji has been able to create a niche for himself in Delhi and International sphere, doubt he shall be interesting in Rajasthan anymore, moreover for last few yers he was only coming to Rajasthan to take care of social activities/projects Mirdha Foundation and their other Trusts did, which I am informed Mirdha ji has given to his grandson who is more of a grass-root man.

[narenderkharb]

Thanks Netrapal ji and Aarti ji

That leaves Parasram Maderna ji as the most probable claimant for CM post from jat camp.

[nknauhwar]

I think that Rajasthan Jats have done a wonderful example while going for reservation with other OBC. Why cant the seat of CM also be reserved for OBC, n particularly for Jats? After all Jats are the majority community over there. Its irony that none of them could become CM in Rajasthan though Jats had the capability of making 2 Rajputs PM and the first Jat PM of India, Charan Singh was Jat that too in a time when no Rajput could ever think of becoming PM.

I feel that no Jat politician lacks any merit over there, its due to the anti-Jat propaganda over there, particularly by Rajputs that no Jat could become CM over there.

[netrapalsingh]

What’s the general perception to Jat Mahashabha in Rajasthan and it’s working these days.

Aarti jee, namaskar

ch.charan singh ke karan jato ko log janne lage the isse pahale jato kee dasha rajasthan me koi khash achee nahee thee aaj bhee kai district
backward hai mai jyada to nahee ghooma par jaipur ke aas-pass ke gaon
me mai shadi byah ke samy kafi gaya hoo mostly Fagi thesil, Bassi, Bagru
yaha gao aaj bhee pichde hooe hai.

Vijay Poonia jise log gunda kahte hai ne sabse bahle jaipur me jat maasabha kaa nirmaan kiya jat hostel, kissan chatravas ka nirman karvaya
mujhe aaj bhee yad hai 1990 me film star dhermendra ko jato ne khoon
se tola tha or desh ke mukhya jat sportspersons ko sammanit kiya tha
usme hamne bhee yogdan diya tha.

OBC ke liye sabse pahel Sheesh Ram Ola ne apnee meeting me Poorv
PM Devgoda Jee ko Jhunjhunu bulwaya tha, waha par OBC ke ghoshna
sabse pahale ek manch par kee gayee. Uske Baar Prof Ishwar Singh
Nehra jinko aaj koi nahee janta ne kai pratisthit jato se sampark kiya
or ek manch ka nirmaan kiya jat mahasabha. RPSC ke poorv chairman
Shri Gyan Prakash Pilaniya ko Rajasthan Jat Maha Sabha ka Adyash banaya gaya or Raja Ram Meel bane Kosha Adyash. Pahalwaan Dara Singh
ko Bhartiya Jata sabha ka adyakh manoneet kiya gaya.

Fir chunav aye rajasthan me jato ko sanghthit dekh atal bihar vajpayee ne
Sikar me mahariya ke sabha me jato ko OBC me shamil karne ka vada kar
diya or unke samne khade umeedvaar balram jakjad OBC ke paksh me nahee the jiskaa parinam wo pichlee do haar ke room me bhoogt chuke hai

aaj jat maha sabha itne sakriya nahe rah gayee hai. Idhar Natwar Singh
Mulyam Singh ke saath apne putra jagat singh ke sath naya morcha kholne
ke mood me hai. waise Vasundhar bhee jat se shaadi karne ke karn jat
CM to hai hee.......

ye jaruri nahi kee jat CM me ho jaruri hai kee rajasthan me jat hee power me ho. Aaj Satish Poonia, Sawarmal Jat, Smt.Santosh Ahlawat, Manniya
Sumitra Singh Jaise Jat Neta BJP me apnaa alag hee mahatv rakhte hai
inke age rajpoot neta bhee dab gaye hai.


netra....

[aarti]

This is what appeared in Dainik Bhaskar today

http://www.bhaskar.com/newsitems/view_city_news.php?id=22057

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[rameshlakra]

Dear friends,

Why don't we open a political wing of the members here to put a force to our views. We people here are very transparent and farward looking and if we have political wing and stay united we can be a reality soon. I think we need to think about it and we need to think big.

Regards,

[narenderkharb]

Nice idea Ramesh

Let us see what can be done.

It is always good to involve some intelligent and farward looking persons in matters concerning our society.

My view regarding this proposal is our group should be more in advisory capacity rather a real player in politics.

There is some error in massage due to hindi format of Danik Bhaskar.

[aarti]

Very good idea, lets discuss more about this in all our sincerty

[netrapalsingh]

Dear friends,

Why don't we open a political wing of the members here to put a force to our views. We people here are very transparent and farward looking and if we have political wing and stay united we can be a reality soon. I think we need to think about it and we need to think big.

Regards,

Nice idea Ramesh

[abhishekphogat]

It's true as Rajasthan need a aggressive Jat Leader. but also being a jat, I want some one who can take pain to change something which should not happen in the way it is going now, and we all need to contribute in this.
Rajasthan is having a lot resources and men power but still not among the list of nicely developed states. we want someone who know better current prospect and have an idea to change the things to make Rajasthan truly Raja + sthan.

So bhaiyon expecting full support for my campaign. as i always thought of joining politics, but don’t want to be just a Politician as we already have. :rolleyes:

[aarti]

So bhaiyon expecting full support for my campaign. as i always thought of joining politics, but don’t want to be just a Politician as we already have. :rolleyes:

Nice to read your comments, I wish you all the best. But we do need existing leaders, who do you think suits your needs at present.

[vijay]

So bhaiyon expecting full support for my campaign. as i always thought of joining politics, but don’t want to be just a Politician as we already have. :rolleyes:

Gud thouhts Abhishek,

But i afraid that the discussion here is that who is the current Jat leader who can influence the politics of Rajasthan in the benefit of Jats.

Shall we wait for your entrance in politics and after effects or discuss about the present scenario ???

[netrapalsingh]

It's true as Rajasthan need a aggressive Jat Leader. but also being a jat, I want some one who can take pain to change something which should not happen in the way it is going now, and we all need to contribute in this.
Rajasthan is having a lot resources and men power but still not among the list of nicely developed states. we want someone who know better current prospect and have an idea to change the things to make Rajasthan truly Raja + sthan.

So bhaiyon expecting full support for my campaign. as i always thought of joining politics, but don’t want to be just a Politician as we already have. :rolleyes:

bhai abhishek ab pahale wali baat nahi hai rajasthan aaj kee tarik me most
progressive states me aachuka hai jaipur mahanagar kee shreni me hai
or to or pilani bhee best town of the country me gina jata hai. Rajasthan
me sabse jyada videshe shelani ate hai apne jhunjhu district me hee
aap dekh sakte hao mandava fort.

Jhunjhunu me Mahendsar ka nam suna hai yaha kee sharab aaj kal mostly
5 Star Hotels or vidisho me kafi famous hai.

Ek of cheej hai wo hai Camel Milk jise peek bheemaram jat badmer me
ek bache ka baap ban gaya jiskee umar 88 saal kee hai camel Milk 45 Rs. per kg hai iskee lassi icecream famous ho chuki hai.

abhe 10 saal ke baad rajasthan desh ka number state hoga

This time Rajasthan is a most progressive state.

Netra.......

[aarti]

So we have two budding leaders now, Netrapal and Abhishek, Good going. . . . but till we wait for their grand entrance, we shall still need people to fill the gap post Parasram ji Maderna and Ram Niwas Mirdha ji and Sis Ram ji Old or for that matter Subash Maharia ji, who BJP just might appoint head of BJP-Rajasthan in immediate future.

Lets debate on some of the existing younger Jat leaders of Rajasthan, people who we know will stand for election in 2008-2009

[vijay]

So we have two budding leaders now, Netrapal and Abhishek, Good going. . . . but till we wait for their grand entrance, we shall still need people to fill the gap post Parasram ji Maderna and Ram Niwas Mirdha ji and Sis Ram ji Old or for that matter Subash Maharia ji, who BJP just might appoint head of BJP-Rajasthan in immediate future.

Lets debate on some of the existing younger Jat leaders of Rajasthan, people who we know will stand for election in 2008-2009


Rightly said Aarti Ji,

Subhash Mahariya Ji is the next jat leader from BJP who can infuelence the politics in Rajasthan and maybe he can make us proud in future. You know why ?

[aarti]

Rightly said Aarti Ji,

Subhash Mahariya Ji is the next jat leader from BJP who can infuelence the politics in Rajasthan and maybe he can make us proud in future.

You know why ?


Tell be WHY, my wise one ??

[vijay]

Tell be WHY, my wise one ??



I mean to say that Subhash Mehariya is among the leading man in state BJP and have a good chance to become CM of Rajasthan in future.:)

[aarti]

Yes, certainly he has the right requisite to be Chief Minister some time in future. The prevailing mind frame of BJP does not support a Jat Chief Minister.

We need to talk about immediate future and Congress is the only party in position to be able to support our candidature or give us our due importance and leverage in Rajasthan.

There is also talk of third-front or regional party for Rajasthan led by Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh along with some Congress leaders, but then it will only cut into Congress votes and significantly reduce possibility of Jat being a Chief Minister. We all know Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh proximity to BJP Chief Minister Vasundhera Raje, its natural they will play to her tunes.

[aarti]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.

[vijay]

Yes, certainly he has the right requisite to be Chief Minister some time in future. The prevailing mind frame of BJP does not support a Jat Chief Minister.
Yes, Subhash Mahariya have the ability to become CM and i think the mind frame of BJP is changing towards Jats as they can't neglect Jats becoz swing of the jat votes decide the politics of Rajasthan. They can play jat card too in future and Subhash Mahariya may lead them in Rajasthan.


We need to talk about immediate future and Congress is the only party in position to be able to support our candidature or give us our due importance and leverage in Rajasthan.


You are right Congress is the immediate future in Rajasthan.


There is also talk of third-front or regional party for Rajasthan led by Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh along with some Congress leaders, but then it will only cut into Congress votes and significantly reduce possibility of Jat being a Chief Minister. We all know Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh proximity to BJP Chief Minister Vasundhera Raje, its natural they will play to her tunes.

Third front or any regional party can't do anything in Rajasthan's political scenario. Natwar Singh doesn't have any personal influence but he can secure his political career if he join hands with BJP. Otherwise he is nowhere in politics now.

[abhishekphogat]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.
I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights.

Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality. :confused:

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.

Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ;) ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?

Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.

What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????

Who is going to win who is going to loose or even who will be the CM, Thats it.

I don’t care about the CM or even the votes politics. (Even People don’t care about my thoughts :D ) . If there is a Jat and he/she is not doing anything for his area or for his voters other then their personal issues. So why do we need such a Jat leader?
I am sorry to say but Current Jat leaders (I am not saying all) are just taking advantage of the emotions and youth.

Once my father told me : “Keval Kaam se election nahi jeeta jata, U have to do something else”:rolleyes: . That time I thought, how it is possible any one can win election without doing work for his people, but now I came to know this something is what is known as politics in current era. And as I think every politician is just doing only the else part.

As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.:mad:

Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.

We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.

I am sorry if I hurt anybody’s feelings, just forgive me. :)

[narenderkharb]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.


That is an arduous task but an important one.

Do we have few name that can fit in to this young slot.

As far as ideologies are concerned these days all parties are having same .

We can see a socialist Yashwant turning to a BJPite Yaswant and hinduta supporter Vaghela turning in to a secular vegala of congress, Same Advani change face with every season from a communal to secular to a fan of jinnaha.So we can say that ideologies are more governed by the likes and dislikes of cotire that is in control of a particular party.

And whether we like or dislike we have to admit that top BJP circle is anti jat in mantality,so we can safely leave possibility of a jat cm in BJP.I stil remember the lame excuse of Atal for removing Sahib for no fault saying what can be done sahib himself said that I will leave chair if party does not perform well,never remembering that he forgets himself all in morning what he said last night.

So let us pin our hope on Parasram ji and hope that younger people will see the opportunity and will rise to the ocassion.

BTW who are current young promising options in addition to our own talented people at jatland.

[vijay]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.


This is politics and you never know what is stored for us in future. I hope if u have provided some facts behind ur this conclusion.


I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights


If Jats are happy with their status in Rajasthan than why all this exercise. :)




Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality. :confused:

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.


Do you think that only money and alcohal is the key to win a election ? You said that you want to enter politics. I am afraid that what you are going to do to win the election


Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ;) ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?


Rajasthan have such large area and u can't expect engineering or medical college in every town. What you say about Modi Institute of Technolgy ( One of best Institute in India ) at Laxmangarh.

if you have quest for a research, what you think that govt should provide you that facility at you home ?????

What you expect from business tycoons originally from Shekhawati and now in Bombay and Calcutta are willing to do some social work and invest their money there. For what ?????


Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.


What you expect from a jat leader ? To provide grains at your home ?

I am afraid if any literate or illetrate jat is unaware that a jat was a Cabinet Minister of India



What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????


Hahahahha..... friend you just contradicted you own point of views about the community.


As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.:mad:


If you had read my posts here carefully i never supported Natwar Singh. But discussing about a person's political career is not a sin.



Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.


Glory and respect are earned by the deeds what a person does.



We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.


That's only ur opinion that we don't deserve better place in politics and in the soiciety. What you will tell the people when you will enter into politics. These thoughts or some doctored thoughts.

If everybody wants to be the caption of ship then why don't you take the responsibility to repair the ship.

Your call buddy.

[mirdha]

That is an arduous task but an important one.

Do we have few name that can fit in to this young slot.

As far as ideologies are concerned these days all parties are having same .


So let us pin our hope on Parasram ji and hope that younger people will see the opportunity and will rise to the ocassion.

BTW who are current young promising options in addition to our own talented people at jatland.


Yes, it indeed is an arduous task but we must do it in all our sincerity

I too like you will like to have opinion from more active members like Netrapal, Aarti, Vijay, abhishek phogat and others . . .. . to have their comments on the future possibilities.

Please give it a serious though and let us all scrutinize the names ourselves before letting them out, simply for a reason that we have name for serious discussions and not just for mentioning.

[mirdha]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.



You have surely made some very valid points . . . .

[sanjeevm]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.
================================================== ========

Seriously, how about Aarti Jai Singh? Can we see a smile on your face now-:)

I also like Bindu Choudhary (Naguar Jila Pramukh). I think she is gutsy.

[netrapalsingh]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.
I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights.

Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality. :confused:

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.

Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ;) ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?

Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.

What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????

Who is going to win who is going to loose or even who will be the CM, Thats it.

I don’t care about the CM or even the votes politics. (Even People don’t care about my thoughts :D ) . If there is a Jat and he/she is not doing anything for his area or for his voters other then their personal issues. So why do we need such a Jat leader?
I am sorry to say but Current Jat leaders (I am not saying all) are just taking advantage of the emotions and youth.

Once my father told me : “Keval Kaam se election nahi jeeta jata, U have to do something else”:rolleyes: . That time I thought, how it is possible any one can win election without doing work for his people, but now I came to know this something is what is known as politics in current era. And as I think every politician is just doing only the else part.

As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.:mad:

Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.

We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.

I am sorry if I hurt anybody’s feelings, just forgive me. :)

bhoot ache abhishek bilkul theek kaha.......


netra.....

[aarti]

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I also like Bindu Choudhary (Naguar Jila Pramukh). I think she is gutsy.


Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.

[sanjeevm]

Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.
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I sense a bias speaking, here. Or else please shed some light on your quite an interesting above comment. Seems like you know a lot about that region's politicians. I hope I didn't touch a poltitical nerve here.

[netrapalsingh]

Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.

aartee jee itna discussion hone ke bavjood ham kisi bhee najije par nahee
phauch paye hai. topic hai agreesive jat leader in rajasthan or ham
congress or BJP me ulajh kar rah gaye. politics me ane ke baad koi bhee
agressive nahi rahta. chahe wo sheeram jee ho chage mahariya jee ho
chahe koi bhee aaj natwar singh sab ko bura lag raha hai prantu kyo?
pls tell. une chori kee jiskaa koi proof nahi hai congress me sare chor hai
lalu kitna chor hai parantu congress ne usko apne swarth ke liye chati se
laga rakha hai. UP me chunav ate he ajit singh ko apnee party me lane
ke liye sab vyakul ho jate hai par chunav jitate hee usko kon puchta hai.

mere kahne ka matlab hai kee aise jat leader jo kuch karne ke chamta
rakhta ho imandar ho or asia admi ek hee parasram maderna. Agar
maderna jee nahi hote jodhpur me to ashok gahlot kam se kam 20000
voto se harta cm to bade door kee bat hai......

netra.......

[aarti]

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I sense a bias speaking, here. Or else please shed some light on your quite an interesting above comment. Seems like you know a lot about that region's politicians. I hope I didn't touch a poltitical nerve here.


Yes, because we are talking about state level with potential for regional level player, not village level.

[abhishekphogat]

This is politics and you never know what is stored for us in future. I hope if u have provided some facts behind ur this conclusion.

What BJP did for Jats, what is the basis of Ur prediction of a JAT CM? Man all other communities will never let happen this.
And about Maheriyaji, I agree that Gehlot won coz of Maheriyaji, but then why Gehlot as CM why not Maheriyaji???

Buddy change means pain and nobody is ready to take the pain for change not even u said so in ur quotes. Everybody think it will happen but me not. Future totally depends upon Present deeds.


If Jats are happy with their status in Rajasthan than why all this exercise. :)

See my Subject of Previous Post
and as i think pople like U and and Me and all other members of this group are not satisfied with current situation and we need Change.

Do you think that only money and alcohal is the key to win a election ? You said that you want to enter politics. I am afraid that what you are going to do to win the election


Vijaiji u read only the things what u wanted to. I said a lot of things but quote on ales only............ And tell me one thing what I wrote was correct or not? Not fully, on all the circumstances, but it is true and if somebody says NO, just come and see in election time.

And no need to afraid from me. If i am saying this happens in elections to win, that clearly means i don't like these things and for sure not going to do [Now some people will say then ur never going to win :D ]

And again the auestion is not me and U. this is "WE" about what we are talking about.

Rajasthan have such large area and u can't expect engineering or medical college in every town. What you say about Modi Institute of Technolgy ( One of best Institute in India ) at Laxmangarh.

When we talk about Higher education do it means only engineering or Medical, nothing other then that?
and from where this home thing come from??:confused:

if you have quest for a research, what you think that govt should provide you that facility at you home ?????


What you expect from business tycoons originally from Shekhawati and now in Bombay and Calcutta are willing to do some social work and invest their money there. For what ?????

The Question WHY, ask to ur self. As I think many of us are out of Rajasthan, then again the same WHY. Why this discussion on Rajasthan?? why even we are thinking about Rajasthan?


What you expect from a jat leader ? To provide grains at your home ?

I said trades, and our farmers are good enough to feed the whole nations. Nobody is waiting for the Politicians to come and feed them.


If you had read my posts here carefully i never supported Natwar Singh. But discussing about a person's political career is not a sin.

I am not saying anybody is commiting Sin here,and the only thing where our thoughts are same. :rolleyes:


Glory and respect are earned by the deeds what a person does.
Very Correct.

If everybody wants to be the caption of ship then why don't you take the responsibility to repair the ship.

I can’t see use of “WE”, even after a long discussion. Here u are telling the condition ur self.

Your call buddy.

Thanks :)



I am saying again we need a leader not a politician and as I think we all know the difference Between as Leader and politician.

[narenderkharb]

I wish more jatlanders from Rajasthan could give their openions.

[sanjeevm]

Yes, because we are talking about state level with potential for regional level player, not village level.
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Leaders don't necessarily have to come or decided from New Delhi. They can also come from villages. Frankly, that may be a good place to start, specially for Jats. I can name village Sarpanches who have taken people's and village's problems by heart to solve them. The good work they have done puts these ministers in govt. to shame. If they get involved in state politics they could make good leaders.

People can win an MLA or MP on a party ticket and become ministers. Their own they may not even become a Panch. Does that qualify them for state or national level leadership and hot topic of discussion?

The names making rounds here are "Banchedi Kitab" (I learned this phrase from a politician-:).

When I saw you constantly asking for an aggressive, new generation Jat with potential. I named just one who is with great potential, young, aggressive and Jat. Looks like, I touched some nerve with that name. I can understand the pain if one is either a fan of or from Mirdha family (one won't want to hurt own perpetual interest).

If Bindu Choudhary has substance she will make it. If she doesn't have any substance she won't. I think neither your nor my comments or opinions going to make any difference to her.

[netrapalsingh]

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Leaders don't necessarily have to come or decided from New Delhi. They can also come from villages. Frankly, that may be a good place to start, specially for Jats. I can name village Sarpanches who have taken people's and village's problems by heart to solve them. The good work they have done puts these ministers in govt. to shame. If they get involved in state politics they could make good leaders.

People can win an MLA or MP on a party ticket and become ministers. Their own they may not even become a Panch. Does that qualify them for state or national level leadership and hot topic of discussion?

The names making rounds here are "Banchedi Kitab" (I learned this phrase from a politician-:).

When I saw you constantly asking for an aggressive, new generation Jat with potential. I named just one who is with great potential, young, aggressive and Jat. Looks like, I touched some nerve with that name. I can understand the pain if one is either a fan of or from Mirdha family (one won't want to hurt own perpetual interest).

If Bindu Choudhary has substance she will make it. If she doesn't have any substance she won't. I think neither your nor my comments or opinions going to make any difference to her.


sanjeev jee bindu choudhary ka full bio-data bataye pls.

netra....

[netrapalsingh]

ek member ne ek ajeeb sawal kiya

Do you think that only money and alcohal is the key to win a election ?

yes ye shat pratishat shaee hai aaj ek election jeetne ke liye paisa
or sharab dono bhoot jaroori hai chahe wo election MP, MLA ya
panch or sarpach ka ho ya nagar palika ke chote se parsad ka
bina paise or sharab ke kisi neta ne chunav jeeta aise neta ka
naam mai bhee janna chahunga.

Rajneet or bhavana dono alag-alag cheeje hai ham bhavana me bah
jate hai kee fala neta imandar hai chunav me wo poori imandari bartta hai
balki ye galat hai sam, dam, dand bhed har tarah ke hatkande chunao
me apnaye jate hai.

is poore desh jaise majdoor, kissan, students ye he chunav me sakriya
bhumika nibhate hai business man bade bade officer professor teacher
yani padhe likhe log chunav me inteest kam hee rakhte hai isliye in
logo ke vot kichne ke liye paisa or sharab panee kee tarah bahaya jata
hai...

netra

[sanjeevm]

sanjeev jee bindu choudhary ka full bio-data bataye pls.

netra....

Netra brother,

I didn't think claimed I keep politicians bio-data :-)

Since, you asked I just googled, you might find most of them here:-)

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2003/10/21/stories/2003102108060500.htm

[netrapalsingh]

Netra brother,

I didn't think claimed I keep politicians bio-data :-)

Since, you asked I just googled, you might find most of them here:-)

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2003/10/21/stories/2003102108060500.htm

sanjeevm jee ranghunath chodhary mirdha praviar se hee hai or bindu chuoudhary se pahale harendra mirdha congress me or bahanu prakash
mirdha BJP, Usha Poonia BJP jyada agressive hai to or sonia gandhi kee
najar me agar koi jat neta CM ke layak hai to harendra mirdha hai,
bijendra ola to kudh basakhiyo ke sahare khada hai.........

netra.........

[sanjeevm]

sanjeevm jee ranghunath chodhary mirdha praviar se hee hai or bindu chuoudhary se pahale harendra mirdha congress me or bahanu prakash
mirdha BJP, Usha Poonia BJP jyada agressive hai to or sonia gandhi kee
najar me agar koi jat neta CM ke layak hai to harendra mirdha hai,
bijendra ola to kudh basakhiyo ke sahare khada hai.........

netra.........
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Netra Ji,

Admittedly, by now, I am lost in this complicated relationship wilderness of Mirdhas. I bet, you will also tell me, somehow, Madernas are also related to them (the bigger Mirdhas) -:). So, seems like one family controls that whole region.

BTW, why Chouadhary Saheb (Ram Narain ji) is being left out in this whole discussion? (I can understand the pain of Mirdhas). I think he is one of oldest, most loyal---never ever left congress---has held congress command in the worst times(1977), and also holding the Rajasthan congress command NOW.

As of now, I think if congress comes to power then the natural race would be between B.D. Kalla (Brahmin) and R. N. Choudhary (a Jat).

Choice is yours!!!

[vijay]

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Leaders don't necessarily have to come or decided from New Delhi. They can also come from villages. Frankly, that may be a good place to start, specially for Jats. I can name village Sarpanches who have taken people's and village's problems by heart to solve them. The good work they have done puts these ministers in govt. to shame. If they get involved in state politics they could make good leaders.

People can win