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mukeshkumar007
January 28th, 2006, 12:17 PM
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One thing is almost clear that at this time Indo-US relations are standing on a serious turn. A single immature step could change entire scenario. The days of honeymoon of the Indo-US relations are about to disappear as both the govt have to face the ground realities. And it is the time for our policy maker to play their card well in the favor of our interests. Btw if nuclear deal will not be converted into reality in US presidents forthcoming visit than it will surely affect Indo-US ties. I hope our Govt. will come out strongly from these obstacles.

dahiyars
January 28th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Dear Mukesh

I agree with your fears. The threat issued by the US Ambassador David Mulford that unless India votes against Iran in the IAEA, the nuclear cooperation deal will not be approved by the US Congress is a serious affront to India and its sovereignty. In an interview, the US Ambassador has warned that the fall-out of a vote against the US stand on Iran will be “devastating” and the nuclear cooperation proposal “will die” in the Congress.
These remarks confirm that the Indian government was pressurised in September 24th 2005 to vote against Iran in the IAEA. It also raises serious apprehensions regarding the nuclear cooperation deal being negotiated with the US.
Two things are immediately required if the Manmohan Singh government is to restore its credibility in this matter. Firstly, there should be a categorical statement that India will not countenance a reference to the UN Security Council on the Iran nuclear issue. Secondly, the UPA government should make public all the details of the proposals for nuclear cooperation and separation of civilian and military facilities which have been submitted to the United States
R.S.Dahiya

rkumar
January 28th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Silence is a virtue which Americans do not seem to understand and more so in diplomacy and international relations. India has no option but to vote againts Iran because;

1. Iran going nuclear is not in India's interest.
2. Iran is not the only country on which India has to depend for its oil/ gas supply.
3. US and Iran both are equally naive when it comes to public speaking. If India has to choose one stupid out of two, US is certainly the better choice.
4. Iranian relations are a liabilty on India and we need to deal very carefully.

RK^2

naresh.mehta
January 28th, 2006, 11:42 PM
I fully agree with you as far as India's stand on Iran's getting nuclear is concerned... but I am afraid you have underestimated the US policy.
Criticizing americans has become so widely practised that no one is actually trying to look into finer details of what America is upto!!
Mulford's was a stray remark for which he has rather apologised, We had the previlege of having chat session with him during his visit to IIT Madras. He is very practical and straight forward.
Americans are very much aware of the fact that they are prime target of all the muslim militant outfits. Under no circumstance they can let any gulf nation get supreme nuclear strength!! It was only this anxiety that might have made US thinktank to ask Mulford get a lil stiff n rude, to ensure that they get the coveted Indian stand in favour!!
The attack at Afghanisthan and Iraq was rather an appreciable one.. though it has created a short term turbulence. But if Saddam and Taliban had been allowed to flourish at the same rate ... they could have easily overpowered the rest of the muslim world and finally 70% of the oil reserves would have landed up in their hands.
Though US was not on democratic lines while doing this... and it also resulted in many innocent deaths... but then WTC was not that small either! Suppression was must... we are not in Mauryan Era where Buddha was so much followed and admired. Rather these very Talibanis had destroyed millenium old Buddha statues .. for no reason!!
Iranian newly elected leader is publicly criticizing Jews and Americans, believes that there was no holocoust itself! The result is that now even Russians are trying to avoid him (Russia has always been a benefactor of Iran) Is US left with any other option???
It is a superpower and I guess it is the rule of powerful... We must agree that being stronger and superior they have every right to try whatever they can to ensure safety and prosperity of the US citizens!
Some philanthropists may argue about the rights of Iraqi and Afghani citizens.. but let me assure them that Media is a big mirage. Things are not that bad either. Rather the people of Afghan are much more prosperous happier and safer now! , Situation will be similar in Iraq
Amen.. let peace prevail.. watver be the price to pay for it!

mukeshkumar007
January 30th, 2006, 09:31 AM
Silence is a virtue which Americans do not seem to understand and more so in diplomacy and international relations. India has no option but to vote againts Iran because;

1. Iran going nuclear is not in India's interest.
2. Iran is not the only country on which India has to depend for its oil/ gas supply.
3. US and Iran both are equally naive when it comes to public speaking. If India has to choose one stupid out of two, US is certainly the better choice.
4. Iranian relations are a liabilty on India and we need to deal very carefully.

RK^2
although India has no option but to support America on this issue but what about their nonsense remarks which hurts the feeling of 100 crore Hindustani. ...
btw lets see what step India take at 2 feburary..

rkumar
January 30th, 2006, 02:41 PM
although India has no option but to support America on this issue but what about their nonsense remarks which hurts the feeling of 100 crore Hindustani. ...
btw lets see what step India take at 2 feburary..

we can not bite our own nose Mukesh just because of some stupid remarks from some one. India should go by her self interests and not by remarks of anyone... Remark or no remarks, India must oppose Iran going Nuclear.

RK^2

dahiyarules
January 30th, 2006, 02:51 PM
I was reading a case study about oil drilling in central Asia. Iran-Pakistan- India pipeline isnt the only pain in the US's a**. US has major issues with nearly every country in the region. If it has good relations with some country where it can drill oil, it has bad relations with the neighboring country, which is preventing it from shipping the oil. US has its own energy procurement problems in the region. If India can make it possible for itself, I dont think it should be any problem for the US. Just as we shouldnt have any problem wih the US successfully drilling and shipping oil out of central Asia.

rkumar
January 30th, 2006, 04:16 PM
I was reading a case study about oil drilling in central Asia. Iran-Pakistan- India pipeline isnt the only pain in the US's a**. US has major issues with nearly every country in the region. If it has good relations with some country where it can drill oil, it has bad relations with the neighboring country, which is preventing it from shipping the oil. US has its own energy procurement problems in the region. If India can make it possible for itself, I dont think it should be any problem for the US. Just as we shouldnt have any problem wih the US successfully drilling and shipping oil out of central Asia.

Lately I have started thinking that USA as a nation can be defined as;

" Jiski Dosti bhi Buree aur Dushmani bhi"

There is tendency among US law makers of going public on every issue. This makes things difficult for friends. I just fail to understand why US officials go to press to air their views about sensitive diplomatic matters ? Fall of USA won't be because of technology or anything like that, but because of the way her law makers conduct themselves. In normal circumstances India would have voted against Iran, but now things have become so difficult that India might have to abstain. Look at another case of Syrian oil deal which USA is opposing. India and China bought these stakes from a Canadian coumpany and not the Syrian company. If USA had no problems with Canadians holding the stakes, why should they have problems with India-China? If things go this way, day is not too far when USA will loose its place in world affairs. High time US law makers take some lessons in international diplomacy.

RK^2

mukeshkumar007
January 30th, 2006, 04:41 PM
" Jiski Dosti bhi Buree aur Dushmani bhi"


RK^2

very well said... :)

is not it better to be stay away from this country..?

devdahiya
January 30th, 2006, 07:34 PM
very well said... :)

is not it better to be stay away from this country..?



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