Unemployed Indian Doctors in UK queuing up outside the Mahalakshmi temple in London

[rkumar]

what a shame. So may of our young doctors coming to UK to look for jobs and ending up unemplyed. Things became so hard for many of them that ended queuing up outside the Sri Mahalakshmi temple in East London for free meals. Don't these young men have some self respect left ? Can't they go back to India and open clinics in smaller towns ?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1619071,00050003.htm

I am not againts coming and working outside, but not to this extent that one has to loose self respect.

Rajendra

[dahiyarules]

I really have no comments on this one. But one can see the desperation to immigrate touching new heights.

[deepakchoudhry]

Couple of things about the article which I'm not sure of:

1) How can fully qualified doctors turn up in the country without a Job Offer.

NHS is a Govt body without requirements they will not issue work permits.

Plus I have not seen this in any UK media.


2) UK is a welfare state anyone who has permission to live in UK dont need to queue up in temple for meals !!!!


Dont know the basis of this article.

[rkumar]

With booming Medical Tourism in India, I see no need for these young intelligent doctors to waste their life in UK. They can make decent living even in India.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1619276,00020009.htm

NHS is going through so many financial difficulties and can not expand its services any further. Patients with long waiting list in UK are now going to India and elsewhere for treatment. Having seen medical facilities both in UK and USA, I will advise all young Indian doctors to take chances in India to further their career. Its no more as glamourous here as it used to be 20-30 years back..

RK^2

[c.p.chhikara]

Dear Rajender,

Ram Ram,

Its really very strange. I request to all such type of persons who live abroad and are living in such critical situation. They can come back our own country and serve nation and they can help the nation. In our own country the position of medical facility is very poor in remote areas. If they want to help the person and want mental satisfaction, please ek bar aa kar to dekho desh ki mitti tumhe bulati hai.

"GULAMI MAIN SONE KE PINJARO MAIN BHI RAHNA PADE TO USSE BADHIYA AZADI KI SUKHI ROTI HOTI HAI"

"LAGE RAHO, MEHNAT KARO, ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN A DAY"

(Chandra Pal Chhikara)
chhikara68@rediffmail.com

[rkumar]

While not many Jatlanders seems to have any reactions to the plight of these doctors, this is what the readers of Hindustan Times had to say;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1620186,0093.htm

High time we stop blind rush to western world. India needs these doctors more than west. If Indian government can not employ them, better they are provided some orientation in business managemt so that they can open Group practice or individual practice and serve Indian masses. Issue is really serious and Medical community in India needs to address it.

RK^2

[itsnavin]

Rajender ji
Here is another illustration of the same problem in TOI:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1405884.cms

I think, the situation in US will be same soon where more than 30% doctors are of Indian origin. It would be better for the UK/US doctor aspirants to give it a second thought. There is hardly any use of living in a foreign country in penury where you represent you motherland. Moreover, medical services in India is gaining pace with the entry of private sector and advances in technology. There is a BIG scope in India as compared to any other country and ofcourse it's as lucrative as any other business.

[jagmohan]

RK Ji,

Ab kya comment karein!!! These doctors must have made their own decisions. There is no doubt that unemployment is increasing and it is difficult to achieve what people did perhaps 20-30 years back in US or UK.

They should be happy actually. Temple is providing them with food atleast. I had read a similar article about a month back.

They should all come back here and work in villages. Kuchh Shanti to Milegi.

Regards,

JS Malik

[dahiyarules]

RK Sir!

Wih all due respect. You are far more experienced in terms of number of years on earth. When was the last time that Government actually achieved 100 percent employment.

Governmnet doesnt do crap.

If anyone really is concerned about their future, you must stop relying on government promises. Government is a boat with a hole in its bottom. It will sink with you on it.

This problem is a creation of the British government. They have allowed in all these highly qualified personnels and now dont have jobs for them. How insane.



While not many Jatlanders seems to have any reactions to the plight of these doctors, this is what the readers of Hindustan Times had to say;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1620186,0093.htm

High time we stop blind rush to western world. India needs these doctors more than west. If Indian government can not employ them, better they are provided some orientation in business managemt so that they can open Group practice or individual practice and serve Indian masses. Issue is really serious and Medical community in India needs to address it.

RK^2

[rkumar]

RK Sir!

Wih all due respect. You are far more experienced in terms of number of years on earth. When was the last time that Government actually achieved 100 percent employment.

Governmnet doesnt do crap.

If anyone really is concerned about their future, you must stop relying on government promises. Government is a boat with a hole in its bottom. It will sink with you on it.

This problem is a creation of the British government. They have allowed in all these highly qualified personnels and now dont have jobs for them. How insane.

I agree with you Sumit. Part of the fault is in training where they are taught only medicine and not the art of business associated with medical practice, global manpower scenerio etc.

RK^2

[drjatin]

Ram Ram jat bhaio,

I dont know from where the HT has got that news. I have stayed in East London but neither me nor my other friends have visited any temple for food.thats all crap

1. It is true that job situation in UK is worst and it is true fore all including Europeans.

2. Most unemployed doctors in UK are doing what is known as clinical attachment outside london(it is honourary unpaid work done to understand the NHS). So according to HT all of them are coming to london spending 20-25 pounds on transport daily just to line up opposite mahalakshmi temple.

3. Food is not expensive in london in 1 pound u can get 1.5 kg of frozen vegetables which four people can eat two times after cooking along with readymade rotis which you get 6 in 25 pennies. One can get a good dosa in 2.50 pounds.While if you are travelling only one stop by bus you have to pay 1.20 pounds.

4. In east london a doctor stays hardly for three weeks whether he gets job or not those who dont get job go on to clinical attachment mostly outside london.

5. Travelling to london is not cheap a doctor who travels to london from india HT people expect him to be a begger who cant spend 1 pound daily on food.

6. Finding a job now has become difficult in UK but to earn 20% of that salary Honestly in India is impossible.

7. Why should a doctor come to serve in India when he is getting such good opportunities abroad. REMEMBER IT IS EASY SAID THAN DONE. I challange whosoever who says that will he/she like his/her kids to work in village or in UK/Ireland.Remember A DOCTOR IS ALSO A HUMAN BEING.

8. By serving in UK/Abroad he is helping in getting the economy stronger and bring a global recognition to the motherland.

9. During PMT enterance only top .5% get a admission in a medical school in India. I am not talking about the kids of corrupt goverment officials who go to Manipal or Russia or Colleges in south and SCs.So they expect them to spend there lives in villages in haryana running after HR buses and uneducated ministors. ONLY A FOOL OR RABID WILL DO THAT.

10. The job situation in India for doctors is so bad that even the doctors who spend 25-30 lacs in doing MBBS from manipal are serving in the villages in Haryana where for every minor thing one needs contacts with ministors.

[raj2rif]

Dear Jatin,
I am impressed with the argument that you have put forward, however I have some questions about your assessment and views.

Firstly: Admission process in Medical Colleges in India. We all agree what you have said. There are two type of students, one who get admission on their own merit and others who get in due to reasons other than merit, be it a son of a rich person/minister or due to his/her class composition. I think that does not have any thing to do with the desire of an individual to go to village and work or go abroad and work.

Secondly: Parents no liking their Doctor child to work in a village. Well by the time a person gets to the designation of a Doctor, I think he/she should be mature enough to make her/his own decisions. Honestly we all want others to go and do what some times we ourself may not be liking to do.

Thirdly: While money may be the main criteria to choose the place or country to work, some times it is the responsibility a profession brings upon an individual may weight heavier than any thing else. Again it is the question of perception. For some, luxaries of the life may be important while for another person, the oath he/she takes may be more important.

I agree with you, about the sensalization of the story by the media, howeve I don't agree with you on your views of not working in the villages because of the poor conditions and corrupt ministers. If one has the desire, he/she will get the things he/she wants. Doctors are considered next to God by most people and when the faith is so great, any thing can be achieved. Just try and do the right thing in a village and you will be treated with so much of respect that no money can get you.

[deepshi]

absolutely right, sir
doctors r considered next to god. my brother has deliberately gotten himself posted at a dispensary on d outskirts of delhi- haryana border.. as a medical officer n d ppl luv him n respect him blindly. offering seet[chhachh], laddoos. fresh veggies n anythin they can afford. the elderly ladies cant stop blessing him. its really mystifying!!
n he has no plans wotsoever 2 move out of country...:) Dear Jatin,
I am impressed with the argument that you have put forward, however I have some questions about your assessment and views.

Firstly: Admission process in Medical Colleges in India. We all agree what you have said. There are two type of students, one who get admission on their own merit and others who get in due to reasons other than merit, be it a son of a rich person/minister or due to his/her class composition. I think that does not have any thing to do with the desire of an individual to go to village and work or go abroad and work.

Secondly: Parents no liking their Doctor child to work in a village. Well by the time a person gets to the designation of a Doctor, I think he/she should be mature enough to make her/his own decisions. Honestly we all want others to go and do what some times we ourself may not be liking to do.

Thirdly: While money may be the main criteria to choose the place or country to work, some times it is the responsibility a profession brings upon an individual may weight heavier than any thing else. Again it is the question of perception. For some, luxaries of the life may be important while for another person, the oath he/she takes may be more important.

I agree with you, about the sensalization of the story by the media, howeve I don't agree with you on your views of not working in the villages because of the poor conditions and corrupt ministers. If one has the desire, he/she will get the things he/she wants. Doctors are considered next to God by most people and when the faith is so great, any thing can be achieved. Just try and do the right thing in a village and you will be treated with so much of respect that no money can get you.

[drjatin]

Dear Jatin,
I am impressed with the argument that you have put forward, however I have some questions about your assessment and views.

Firstly: Admission process in Medical Colleges in India. We all agree what you have said. There are two type of students, one who get admission on their own merit and others who get in due to reasons other than merit, be it a son of a rich person/minister or due to his/her class composition. I think that does not have any thing to do with the desire of an individual to go to village and work or go abroad and work.

Secondly: Parents no liking their Doctor child to work in a village. Well by the time a person gets to the designation of a Doctor, I think he/she should be mature enough to make her/his own decisions. Honestly we all want others to go and do what some times we ourself may not be liking to do.

Thirdly: While money may be the main criteria to choose the place or country to work, some times it is the responsibility a profession brings upon an individual may weight heavier than any thing else. Again it is the question of perception. For some, luxaries of the life may be important while for another person, the oath he/she takes may be more important.

I agree with you, about the sensalization of the story by the media, howeve I don't agree with you on your views of not working in the villages because of the poor conditions and corrupt ministers. If one has the desire, he/she will get the things he/she wants. Doctors are considered next to God by most people and when the faith is so great, any thing can be achieved. Just try and do the right thing in a village and you will be treated with so much of respect that no money can get you.

Hi Sir,

Thanks a lot for replying. Sir i respect your experience and i am no match to your wisdom but i would like to highlight few things

1. Most of the times if a doctor is working in a village it is because he has got no other option. I have never come across any doctor working in a village who is doing it by his choice. Most of the times he is planning for something else and spending some time there and he settles in the govt job when all his plans fail.

2. Sir You have served the Indian army for many years the situation in working in a village in Haryana and in Indian Army is entirely different. In village the times have changed totally. People will give you consideration till the time you are showing favours to them. Now it depends on you, You may do your duty with honesty and favour everyone. Or you favour some people only. In the former situation no one will show you any consideration.

3. Sir if you are working in a PHC in haryana all you get is a two room old structure where you do not get power around the clock and you are expected to provide 24hours service and you should stay in the village. If you stay in the village you will get allowance of Rs 250 to get a house. So either maintain good relationships with your senior doctor or have good connections.

4. In Haryana no one gets transferred to a better place due to his competence.All transfers and postings in Haryana require a trip to chandigarh with the slip of a minister.

5. While being posted in a district hospital you should show favours in MLCs to the knowntos of ministers and if you dont do so you will be transfered to a borderline phc

6. Sir in haryana what a doctor gets is rs 15000. While working abroad you are bringing global recognisation to your motherland and also helping to get the economy stronger. I dont think that by choosing to work in any other country you are not following the hippocrates oath. But if you are working in a village taking comissions from medicines, not visiting PHC from 9am to 5pm,taking bribes for doing your duty you are grossly working against the oath and you are abig cheater.Please give me asingle example where a doctor is living in the village and providing 24hours service to the PHC as required by the haryana govt directive
Please let me know if you want any other clarification


THESE THINGS APPLY TO WORKING IN A PHC IN HARYANA NOT IN DELHI OR ANY OTHER PLACE

[drjatin]

absolutely right, sir
doctors r considered next to god. my brother has deliberately gotten himself posted at a dispensary on d outskirts of delhi- haryana border.. as a medical officer n d ppl luv him n respect him blindly. offering seet[chhachh], laddoos. fresh veggies n anythin they can afford. the elderly ladies cant stop blessing him. its really mystifying!!
n he has no plans wotsoever 2 move out of country...:)

please let me know which PHC it is.

[deepshi]

at majra dabas.please let me know which PHC it is.