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ratheetheraist

February 17th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Jab Congress Ki Sarkaar Muslims Votes Ke Liye Is Hadd Tak Gir Chuki Hai To Hamen Desh Ko Girne Se Bachana Hai.........

Jahan Muslims Majority Me Hain Wahan Hindus Ki Wo Aisi Tesi Kar Ke Rakhte Hain .....u.p. Ek Constituency Hai Shayad Se Sultan Pur Hai Ya Sujanpur Hai ,wahan Muslims 52% Ki Population Me Hain .....wahan Unhone Hindus Ka Jeena Haram Kar Rakha Hai .......

Agar Is Bharat Ka Jeena Haram Karna Hai Do Hawa In Muslims Ko .......sada Se Ye Congress Waale Inke Chamche Rahe Hain Aazaadi Se Pehle Ke......

Main To Dosto Ek Baat Maanta Hun Ke
Hindu Ghata Desh Batta

Jab Jab Hindu Is Desh Me Ghat Ta Gaya

Tab Tab Desh Bat Ta Gaya,,,,,

Udaahraan ...paakistaan , Bangladesh

Ye Ab Sabse Badi Samasya Bani Hui Hain Hamare Bharat Ki

High Court Ke Order Ke Bad Bhi Muslims Ke Liye Reservation Jaari Hai In Congress Goverened Kuch States Me...its Pathetic

Aur Agar Aisa Hi Raha To Ek Din Aaega Ke Jis Bharat Ko Chaand Se Dekh Kar Rakesh Sharma Ne Kaha Tha..... Saare Jahan Se Acha ....

Uska Naamo Nishaan Nahi Milega.......

Jai Hind

deepakdahiya

February 18th, 2006, 12:35 PM

right Mr. rathee,

But the problem is not muslim's...it is us the Hindu itself.

Most of the hindu's are not katter hindu and those are katter hindu, are not supported by the rest.

so if we are not able to be the part of RSS, Siv sena, VHP, Bajrag dal and many others , but still we can support them from outside. But the prob. is that we can't do even this for the sake of our Hinduism.....

As earlier discussed in the "Valentine Day" thread hindu's easily adopt other religion....so the main prob. is there (With Us)

We hav no problem to attend their festivals but they have (exceptions are allways there )

As far as majority/ minority....sooner the time come when hindus become minority as muslims are multiplying.......very fast

A request to all Hindu's ...please support RSS, Siv sena, VHP, Bajrag dal and many others hindu parties
.............

^^ DD

sansanwalamit

February 19th, 2006, 06:02 AM

I agree with the points that have been raised in this post. Although, I do not agree with the suggested solutions. Congress party is clearly at fault here, instead of GandhiJee's principles they opted to follow British Diplomatic principles. The most prominent one being patronising the minority at the cost of majority.
Britons always gave Hindus a "step-motherly" treatment in their own land. They knew by doing this they will divide the masses and rule them with ease. Congress did the similar thing, first they secured their Muslim votes, and then attracted Hindu voters (who were already faithful to them because of GandhiJee).
Today India stands as an admirable example of tolerance in the world, the Hindu majority nation has a Muslim President, Sikh PM, and Roman Catholic "PM maker". I give Hinduism the full credit of this tolerance, and also the credit for accomodating fast spawning population of Muslims and in the country. And this tolerance is rarely seen amongst the followers of Islam. So wherever they gain majority they try to establish their own rule.
But I think supporting such groups of parties will further worsen the situation. I blame these parties for marring the tolerant image of Hinduism, and I have never seen or heard of anything productive coming out of them.
Instead we should look up to Hindu organisations like BAPS or ISKCON who have spread the word of HInduism across the world, who have built amazing temples (without any bloodshed and with volunteer work) that will make coming Hindu generations proud of their religion.
We Hindus should be the last ones to be fanatic, our religion teaches us peace and tolerance. Many have tried to crush this religion without any success, and Hinduism still embraced them. We are not a religion whose goal is to increase the numbers, we do not call non Hindus evil or hellmongers. We have always respected and tolerated others and we should continue to do so. Parties like VHP, ShivSena and BajrangDal are totally contradictory to these principles and should be shunned by every Hindu.
The only solution that I see to stop conversions and to get Hindus to respect their own religion is to bring in a Renissance (which I feel is long due). We still have many ill patches left in our religion caused by the external pressures, practices like Castism should be given up totally. We should incorporate the teachings of Vedas and show Hindus that what their religion really is. This will help in strengthening the faith of people in the religion and they will not have to look elsewhere for peace of mind, and Hinduism will continue to prosper.

dahiyarules

February 19th, 2006, 02:52 PM

Bhaiyon Mussalmanon pe sara gussa kyun utaar rahe ho?

Come to the main point. Strike the root. Whats the main problem here? Government is the problem? Government is the whore that sells for cheap.

Gussa utarna hee hai to Government ko bhi dosh do. Mussalman bhi haramkhor hai, but Government to Musalman se bhi kameeni cheez hai.

deswal100184

February 19th, 2006, 04:36 PM

i agree with you friend.the politics in india has always been insincere.the politicians and so the beaurocrats have taken the people(which comprises of the middle class and the poor{middle class is the backbone of every nation}).it is first their fault but we too r equally responsible.
first,what kind of values must a corrupt person be having?second,we r so cowardly and used to succumbing and be ruled that we do not come forward to make a change.another reason could be that we do not think with love for our nation(well i guess that jats r much better than gujjus,sindhismarwadis, nd many others.well no controversies).when a man stops on a road during our national anthem,we r the ones to make fun of him.
i do not agree with the suggesstion of joining the rss,vhp etc. .killing muslims will not solve the problem(godhra).a sincere politics can make all the difference.if we feel for our nation and we become the politicians,the problem would become no-problem

rkumar

February 19th, 2006, 08:09 PM

ratheetheraist

February 19th, 2006, 10:49 PM

There are three type of societies;

1. Solid state
2. Liquid state
3. Gaseous state

India is in liquid state, europe in solid state.... africa in gaseous state...

one can break solids, but not liquids and gases... Be assured, India will never break again ....does not matter how politics play...

RK^2

Kalkhande sir i dont agree to u on this point,,,,, or ur theory...

india ko aap dekh lo j&k ka case uthaaiye ,,,wahan par hamari govt ka koi interfernece nahi hai ,, aur na hi laws similar hain ... there is no UNIFORM CIVIL CODE IN INDIA ....... which is the need of time , bt no govt is taking this point in consideration....

jaise aaj j&k india se door hotaa ja raha hai kewal muslims ki aur hamari kameeni govt( jaisa sumit bhai ji ne kaha tja) ki wajh se to wo din door nahi jab kuch aur tukdde ho jain hamare bhaart ke....

high court ke mana karne ke baad bhi andhra pradesh govt ne muslims ke liye 5% reservation laa di state main...... unki aisi tessi kyon hui??????
sirf wo chandd muslim vote lene ke liye . aur agar yun hi sab chalta gaya na to dekh lena hamare desh ka naash hone ka kaaran ye muslim honge aur hamari govt. usse badi......

rok sako to rok lyo bhaii ,,,,,, hum te chodte nahi sain apni koshish jaari rakhenge .... aur ek din AYODHAA MAIN RAM MANDIR BANA KAR RAHENGE...

GARV SE KAHO HUM HINDU HAIN ( SWAMI VIVEKANAND)
JAI HIND

ratheetheraist

February 19th, 2006, 10:49 PM

[quote=rkumar]There are three type of societies;
sorry do baar ho gaya tha

sansanwalamit

February 20th, 2006, 07:55 AM

rok sako to rok lyo bhaii ,,,,,, hum te chodte nahi sain apni koshish jaari rakhenge .... aur ek din AYODHAA MAIN RAM MANDIR BANA KAR RAHENGE...

GARV SE KAHO HUM HINDU HAIN ( SWAMI VIVEKANAND)
JAI HIND

Vikas,

Swami Vivekanand was not the one who gave this quote, it was the man who formed RSS, still the quote is very powerful and every Hindu should remember it and follow it.
Secondly, could you tell me what will be the benefit of building that Ram mandir now. This Mandir Issue has already worked very much against Hindus, it has put Hindus at the same platform as other religious fanatics. I suppose this is the first time Hindu broke down other religion's holy place, which should not have happened in the first place. So many Hindu families have already lost their loved ones to this Mandir, I think its high time we leave this issue behind and think of future instead of sticking to the past.

Thanks,

Amit

amanmalik

February 21st, 2006, 10:38 AM

mukeshkumar007

February 21st, 2006, 12:07 PM

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muslim
mandir
ram
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babri masjid
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hindu
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72 virgins
heaven running out of virgins
stop
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phaltu ka time
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ha ha ha ha ..re bhai aman...kati sahi baat keh di apne to...hi hi hi ..

hey ram, gaya ram, yaa allah.. ya mohammed... hehehehe....

jab roti kapada and makan dang se mil jya to bhai ram hi miljya hai ..aise chahe ram mandir banwado yaa phir musani mata ka mandir kye hojyaga...

sansanwalamit

February 21st, 2006, 02:27 PM

Amit, i think you are coward. Sorry for putting it bluntly, but thats what i think about you. :)

You say that whats the use of Ram Mandir, well you answer my one question. What is the use of our caste Jat? :rolleyes:

Isn't it true that caste system has harmed India more then anything else.

It is weak people like you that we have so many muslims in India. Regarding at same platform with muslim fundamentalists, its true we are moving towards same plateform, but most of Indians are not as weak as you are. They cant see their brothers die at the hand of muslims. If you are ok with it that does not form the generality.
You have choice, you can be at higher plateform by letting all these atrocities happen or you can lower your plateform to fight against them.

So please if you have any wrong concepts either clear it or you can refrain yourself from giving stupid replys.

Et tu Atul,

I appreciate the quick feedback that you have given to my post, you seem to be way more efficient than me in making judgments about others (But I am very happy that I know what I am and who I am). As per you I am a coward Hindu Jat who is not willing to even let thoughts of violence and discrimination enter his mind. I suppose I will be considered by some (including you) a coward with stupid ideas.
But, I still do not know what to think of you or others who suggest solutions like building the Ram Mandir, keeping vendetta against the Muslims (who according to you killed our Hindu brothers and ancestors). Inept, incapable, weak, good for nothing, or simply put in Haryanvi "Thothe Chane Baaje Ghane" (empty vessles making more noice). If you and others like you feel so strongly about the Ram Mandir and avenging the Hindu deaths, then what are you people doing here. It’s been almost 14 years since that Ram Mandir is under construction and Hindus are still burnt to death. You people even make violence and discrimination as romantic as Quixote fighting the wind mills.
I might be a coward according to you, but at least I am sticking to and doing what I believe in. I thank God for making me strong enough to not fall prey to cheap Indian politicians' disgusting vote gaining tactics. Neither can I be so mediaeval in my ideas that I think of killing masses and destroying places of worship. Somehow this coward mind can only look ahead (but that does not mean I am not aware of my past). I want to see Indians forget the atrocities of past and live happily like the Europeans (they were killing each other in 50s and look at them now). I do not want India to become another Sudan where people are still killing each other for religion. The problem I see with India is that due to some capable violent people our majority of uneducated masses does behave like Sudanese and I hope it will not go for long.
I am positive person, I spend more time in thinking about Tajmahal than Babri Masjid, about Akbar than Aurangzeb, about Abul Kalaam than Daawood Abraham and so on (you get the idea). I infact prefered to visit and stay in Kashmir right after the war instead of sitting here and making judgements about Kashmiri Muslims. And my opinions might be stupid to many, but I am happy to have opinions of my own. I think therefore I am, and I feel therefore I have my ideas.
I am proud to be one of the oldest members of this site who is still hanging in here. I have seen many members drop like flies due to strong criticism of their opinions. I am sure they preferred to spend their time elsewhere, and many might even think that what am I doing here? (They think I am wasting my time). But, being positive I always think more of the support and appreciation this site has provided me, the beautiful people I have been fortunate to know through here. And I consider this optimism the biggest part of my Jat identity (I really do not consider Jat just as a caste but more of an identity and philosophy), so I suppose you have your answer to why am I on this website, and why I am proud to be a Jat.
And fortunately I had never heard of a Jat being involved in this Mandir issue, infact I have been fortunate to see strong relationship between Jats and Muslims in Mewat (Jats had actually saved many Muslim villages in 1947 in that region and till today they share the same villages). I do not know from where you people being Jats have developed this strong disliking towards Muslims, if you really have to condemn some people then think of those who have actually affected Jats and did everything possible to keep them down.
Sir Choturam did not pick arms against the Muslims, but he crushed the HINDU banias and got us out of their evil traps. Swami Dayanand got us out of evil Hindu Brahmin traps. I really cannot think of a Jat hero in recent history who raised his/her voice against Muslims. You might want to think why? then I suppose the answer is because every hero has a logic to see where the real problem lies.
So scram and use some logic in finding the real problem in us Jats and Hindus. And if you still have more judgements to pass in your criticism than Bring It on Home.

cooljat

February 21st, 2006, 02:51 PM

Bhai Amit
very well Explained
A jat is a jat is a jat.
kudos to u :)

rock on
Jit

atul.jhajhria

February 22nd, 2006, 07:05 AM

Et tu Atul,

I appreciate the quick feedback that you have given to my post, you seem to be way more efficient than me in making judgments about others (But I am very happy that I know what I am and who I am). As per you I am a coward Hindu Jat who is not willing to even let thoughts of violence and discrimination enter his mind. I suppose I will be considered by some (including you) a coward with stupid ideas.

I will do my best.

But, I still do not know what to think of you or others who suggest solutions like building the Ram Mandir, keeping vendetta against the Muslims (who according to you killed our Hindu brothers and ancestors). Inept, incapable, weak, good for nothing, or simply put in Haryanvi "Thothe Chane Baaje Ghane" (empty vessles making more noice). If you and others like you feel so strongly about the Ram Mandir and avenging the Hindu deaths, then what are you people doing here. It’s been almost 14 years since that Ram Mandir is under construction and Hindus are still burnt to death. You people even make violence and discrimination as romantic as Quixote fighting the wind mills.

You are telling us to keep vandetta agaist muslims as if we(Hindus) are at fault. Its a common knowledge that where ever muslims are in majority they dont let hindus breathe. Its you who is Inept, incapable, weak and good for nothing. Regarding avenging hindu deaths, offcourse no one including myself is going and kill them because thats plain stupid. But if there is riot in my place then yes i will take part actively.

Regarding "Thothe Chane Baaje Ghane", its you who suits that definition. You are talking on Jatland forum as if you have some affinity towards Hindu Jats, but where will you be when Jats will need you? Telling fellow Jats that you dont hold vandetta against muslims you will run first.

I will be there with my brothers. :)

I might be a coward according to you, but at least I am sticking to and doing what I believe in. I thank God for making me strong enough to not fall prey to cheap Indian politicians' disgusting vote gaining tactics. Neither can I be so mediaeval in my ideas that I think of killing masses and destroying places of worship. Somehow this coward mind can only look ahead (but that does not mean I am not aware of my past). I want to see Indians forget the atrocities of past and live happily like the Europeans (they were killing each other in 50s and look at them now). I do not want India to become another Sudan where people are still killing each other for religion. The problem I see with India is that due to some capable violent people our majority of uneducated masses does behave like Sudanese and I hope it will not go for long.

No, you are not the only one who is sticking to principles, i also stick to my principles :rolleyes: and nobody can take that right from me. You thank god for making you strong enough to not fall prey to cheap politics and we ask god why people like you were born in our religion making our community weak.

You want Indian to forget past :rolleyes: what about present.

What about hindus who get killed by bomb blasts, in Kashmir, our army people who die for India.

You are comparing India with sudan, i frankly dont know details about sudan but i know when muslims will become majority India will any how become sudan.

I am positive person, I spend more time in thinking about Tajmahal than Babri Masjid, about Akbar than Aurangzeb, about Abul Kalaam than Daawood Abraham and so on (you get the idea). I infact prefered to visit and stay in Kashmir right after the war instead of sitting here and making judgements about Kashmiri Muslims. And my opinions might be stupid to many, but I am happy to have opinions of my own. I think therefore I am, and I feel therefore I have my ideas.

I am glad that you figured out how stupid your opinion will sound to others.

I am proud to be one of the oldest members of this site who is still hanging in here. I have seen many members drop like flies due to strong criticism of their opinions. I am sure they preferred to spend their time elsewhere, and many might even think that what am I doing here? (They think I am wasting my time). But, being positive I always think more of the support and appreciation this site has provided me, the beautiful people I have been fortunate to know through here. And I consider this optimism the biggest part of my Jat identity (I really do not consider Jat just as a caste but more of an identity and philosophy), so I suppose you have your answer to why am I on this website, and why I am proud to be a Jat.
And fortunately I had never heard of a Jat being involved in this Mandir issue, infact I have been fortunate to see strong relationship between Jats and Muslims in Mewat (Jats had actually saved many Muslim villages in 1947 in that region and till today they share the same villages). I do not know from where you people being Jats have developed this strong disliking towards Muslims, if you really have to condemn some people then think of those who have actually affected Jats and did everything possible to keep them down.

Being one of the oldest member does not make you best Jat, same way you being Hindu is not beneficial to our religion.

How intersting to know Jats in mewat saved many muslim lives, how much more interesting it would be when the descendents of same muslims will take lives of Jats. ;)

Tell me little about those people who actually affected Jats and did everything possible to keep them down. It would be fun to know your views.

Sir Choturam did not pick arms against the Muslims, but he crushed the HINDU banias and got us out of their evil traps. Swami Dayanand got us out of evil Hindu Brahmin traps. I really cannot think of a Jat hero in recent history who raised his/her voice against Muslims. You might want to think why? then I suppose the answer is because every hero has a logic to see where the real problem lies.
So scram and use some logic in finding the real problem in us Jats and Hindus. And if you still have more judgements to pass in your criticism than Bring It on Home.

Sir chotturam did not picked arms against muslims because muslims were not in good position then. Britons subdued muslims during all their tenure. Sir chotturam picking arms against banias can never be compared to picking arms against muslims. Muslims killed Jats and Banias exploited Jats. If you have little sense then you can realize who is more harmful.

Since you have given example of Sir chotturam then let me give one more example. What about Mohd. Gauri killing Jats. :rolleyes: Did your ancestors loved that or what. May be your ancestors thought that Mohd. Gauri is very bad person and therefore they will never fight aginst him( Lmao), but when it came to Banias your equally weak ancestors thought that picking arm against Banias was right. :)

amanmalik

February 22nd, 2006, 10:25 AM

gamasaan yudh chal raha hae. jats in american and canada are fighting battles on jatland.com about muslims and banias in india.
dekhe kaun jitata hae.
tamasha chalu rakho.
yeh sunglasses kaunse brand ke haeen?
aap teeeno ke.
mera face thoda oval hae.
kaunsa brand aur style sahee rahega?

sansanwalamit

February 22nd, 2006, 12:31 PM

sansanwalamit

February 22nd, 2006, 12:47 PM

Bhai Amit
very well Explained
A jat is a jat is a jat.
kudos to u :)

rock on
Jit

Thanks Bhai Jeetender,
par ek baat to maani padegi, ki chashme ki style ka aur aadmi ke mind ka kuch to correlation hai.
Ib dekh, we both are donning Aviators (the most rock n roll shades ever) aur hamaare vichaar kitne mile hain. On the other hand Atul is wearing shades of a different style and we all know how much our thoughts meet.
So, moral of the story Aviator waale ne Aviator waala hi samjhe hai.

Aman Malik,

So, I suppose you have got your answer now, choosing the right kind of shades is not just about the shape of your face, or your cheek bones. I would suggest rushing to any sunglass hut nearby (they are everywhere, and have the best collection) and then check out a style that suits you, your attitude and your mindset.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Amit

narenderkharb

February 22nd, 2006, 12:50 PM

Amit
great
Keep this sane thinking ,people will always respect such openions.
Bravery is not shown in killing people in mob.
It is in saving them from mobs.

One should see in this game of devide and rule played to the perfection jointly by BJP and CONGRESS learned from their predecessor britishers.

These petty muslim fundamentalists are actively groomed and encouraged
by both groups with the single aim of polarising right thinking persons in to for and against groups.

We need stalwarts like CH.CHOTTU RAM who can think of common man,wether he is hindhu or muslim.

.................................................. .......

Jit
You are really cool.
bravo!
jat is a jat is a jat.

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atul.jhajhria

February 22nd, 2006, 01:16 PM

Atul Jhajharia,

Do not repeat the mistake of commenting about either mine or someone else's ancestors on this website. This not only brings you down while displaying your true colours, but spoils the site's image and decorum as well. And if you are capable of maintaining this decorum and respect for others then only stick around in this website or else you might wanna leave.

I found your comments about tolerance more disturbing then my own comments. If you does not have any emotions for fellow Hindu Jats, you can do the favour as well.

(Look what you made me do, this is the first time I have ever been so rude on this site, and honestly you deserve it. Always address others in a way you would like to be addressed ok. And dont forget I am a SANSANWAL, insulting my ancestors will mean insulting one of the biggest heros of our history. The ones who actually stood against Muslims and fought for Jats, till today we hear the stories of our ancestors coming to Delhi from Sinsini and Bharatpore around 400 years back to fight for Hindus and save the religion from Muslim attrocities.
And, believe me, like my ancestors I will always stand for my people be it for a Jat, or a Hindu if need be. And a caveat too, I would also stand for a Muslim or Christian if I see any unjustice being done to him/her from anyone, because respecting and protecting life is one of the biggest teaching my religion has taught me.)

How come that Great Sansanwal means there can not be any not so good Sansanwal.

You tell us that you will stand by Jat and Hindu if needed be, what do you mean by that. What will you do if there is Hindu-Muslim riot :rolleyes:.

@narender kharb: I knew a muslim from rajasthan, who once said: when we will be enough in numbers to beat Jats, Yadavs and Rajputs we will beat all hindus.

what does that signifies to you or amit. I am just curious how both of you will feel.

Its not that i was born with this hatred, neither did BJP played any rule. :)

sansanwalamit

February 22nd, 2006, 01:45 PM

Now we are talking,

Firstly, thanks for avoiding personal derogatory comments about me or my ancestors.

Ok so now we are getting into the realms of hypothetical situation, but I will try to imagine the situation and answer accordingly.
If there is ever a Hindu vs. Muslim or, Jat vs. other Hindus, or Muslims, or anyone else situation occurs, then honest to God, I will stand with the right side. And as my experience has shown that most of the times Jats and Hindus have been on the right hand side, so there is a very big probability that I will be on Jat or Hindu side.
My issue is not standing on some side, my issue is about being violent, or being the first to attack. In history I have always seen and I am proud of the fact that Hindus have never attacked. And no matter what happens I will never be the first to create violence. But, when the other side (i.e. Muslims) ever attacks my people then I will surely stand up to save them. I hope I am getting through, I mean I can never be the one to instigate, even if the people I identify are doing so, but I will always be with them in case they are attacked.
I give you an example, the village I come from Jats only constitue 5% of the total population, but they are the actual owners and resident of the village. Rest 95% are outsiders, who rent out their living in my village, many times our Jat brothers beat up some non Jat tenant for no reason, and I have never stood with them in such situations (infact I feel ashamed). So if tomorrow I see Jats or Hindus doing this at a bigger scale, i.e. being the instigator of violence, then I am sure I will not be by their side. And I do not think that we should attack someone just because someone hates us or wants to wipe us out. This only makes us look insecure, let the evil doers do what they want and then put a lid on it when they step out of their boots.
Isn't this what our Government has been doing with Pakistan, everytime Pakis were the ones who attacked us, we just answered their calls with big bangs and showed them what they are. Same thing should be done internally, but I have hope that Muslims of India will not do so, I firmly believe that these riots and killings are political gimmicks, because most of the people who die are so poor that religion is secondary to them, primary is food and shelter.

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And as far as that Muslim guy who made that comment is concerned well I would despise him and feel sorry for him.
But I will feel worst to see a Hindu saying the same thing, because in that case I will feel sorry for myself too, because I am Hindu myself.

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Thanks Narender for your support :)
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narenderkharb

February 22nd, 2006, 01:55 PM

Dear Atul
Indidual can make different statements at different times in different situations,indifferent moods.
Have you not heard of your brother at some point time I will kill you,if the age gap is not too wide .
It happens atul,don't take negative view always.
Have you heard when pandit nehru in rohtak rally ,It would have been better had these jats gone to pakistan along with muslims,a comment greatly recented by Ch.Charan Singh.
Have you heard Madan lal Khurana commenting on Sahib singh verma if these people will be given these posts you will see same results commenting on nangloi candidate murder episode during sahib singh's chief ministership.

Now please tell me what is your openion?

DO EVERY MAN IN BJP AND CONGRESS IS SAME.

On the contrary,give a little attention to this...

When a malik bhai(muslim ) living in UK on jatt world was eager to explore the jat and pathan relation like our own malik, tried to downplay jatts, muslim jat told to this pathan...
Beware of turbulent times ahed of you,we jats are coming to overtake you and you have to adjust with us jats.

cooljat

February 22nd, 2006, 01:58 PM

@ATUL : look mr. Atul.....We Indians r shecular ppl....we believe in unity in diversity n vaasudev-kutumbkam.....so just stop ur bull$#it fundamentalism....first of all we all r human being.....all that make us good n bad is attitude n heart.....for god sake dont diffrentiate us...we all r Indian first...good n bad ppl r everywhere....so here on Jatland too ;).....Never value a person by cast, creed n color.....Well, my most respectable person here in India is our President Abdul Kalam....he's a Mulsim...so what do my opinion changes, not at all....look some of our great Cricketers r also Muslim so what dont they perfrom well?? R not they Indian enough.....
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As for JAT....I'm 100% agreed with Amit bhai....Jat is not mere a cast, a race ....its an Attitude, A philosphy, A way of Life, A warrior withinself....thats why we always feel when someone does something special....Is she/he Jat?? like our fellow memebers once saying Is Sania Mirza is a Jat & Is Dhoni is Jat???

So man, shut up....we dont need ur certificate of authentication....dont u plz! post sucha a crap posts....n try to learn from ur uncle a real Hon'ble Jat Dr. Birbal Singh Ji... :)

no offense meant ....:)

A JAT is a JAT is a JAT!!!!!

rock on
Jit

lucky

February 22nd, 2006, 02:00 PM

There are three type of societies;

1. Solid state
2. Liquid state
3. Gaseous state

India is in liquid state, europe in solid state.... africa in gaseous state...

one can break solids, but not liquids and gases... Be assured, India will never break again ....does not matter how politics play...

RK^2

nice well i want to add 2 points we hindus like to pull each others leg secondaly well paksitan is muslim country for me it is just by name islamic country. lahore is not less in accepting western culture. i my view it is the most ultra mordern muslim country:rolleyes: . but HERE IS MY POINT. BEING A MUSLIM COUNTRY SIND WANTS TO BE A DIFFRENT COUNTRY does not want to be rulled my punjab.
SO SARA POLITICS KA KHAIL HAI BHAI SABH POLITICS. bangladesh itna chota hai ki osko kya brake kurai ga koi:D

AND CONGRESS IS EVERY TIME BEEN A COWARD PARTY. THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND A SINGLE INDIAN IN INDIA TO BE THERE PARTY HEAD. AND MADE SONIA THE LADY WHO TILL NOW NOT ABLE TO SPEACK HINDI PROPERLY. IF I STAY SO LONG IN CANADA I THINK ENGISH WOULD BE IN MY BLOOD. :D KIDDING HINDI KO NAHI BHOLO GI. BUT YA EVEN DUMS LEARNlanguage fast . but some times i cannot understand her so called italiyan-english- hindi way of talking:D

narenderkharb

February 22nd, 2006, 02:09 PM

Abdul kalam one of the most respectable Indian.

So true.

ratheetheraist

February 22nd, 2006, 04:16 PM

jagmohan

February 22nd, 2006, 05:40 PM

Dear All,

Quite unnecessary comments by some members. But then 'freedom to express' always wins. Though I have written on this issue elsewhere but let me give my take on this subject.

I am a JAT and not a Hindu. Difficult to understand but true.

Mahatma Gandhi described Hindus as the most cowardly people. Idol worshipping Hindus discriminate. It is history. No one here needs a lesson in history but then please go through the aspects that cover the subject of oppression of SC/ST & Dalits in all parts of the country.

Why are you so jealous of Muslim progress, even if it be only restricted to increase in population? I have said it earlier & would say it again & again that I will believe a Muslim rather than believeing a 'Refugee' or a 'Bahman'. Muslims are no less patriotic. than others. More Hindus have faced court martials in the Indian Army than Muslims. No, it is not the question of numbers but even proportionately.

What about Indians in England & Australia (who are permanent citizens) who wave Indian Flags during a cricket match? Does it make them 'Traitors'? Come on give some intelligent analogy. Don't lambast someone just because you must say something.

Why are you blaming Auranzeb or Timur Lang? Who told you to fight amongst yourselves in the name of cast & creed? Why were you not united? You were not united then & neither are you united now. Why did one Indian King not support the other when the Mugals were invading our motherland? By no way I am justifying the tyranny of these invaders. There were authentic reports of Indian Army doing worst things in Bangladesh after Pakistani Army surrendered. And I say this with a lot of sense of responsibility. 'Power corrupts'.

Way don't you allow SC/ST to take water from the same well in your village? But when he is your senior in a government job, you salute him. Really funny. The best time pass is Muslim bashing. There is fundamentalist threat to all nations. It could be Muslim or Christian or even Hindu.

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS CO-EXISTENCE.

Can all Hindus combiled together kill 160 Million Muslims in India? Would you be allowed to do so? Don't count the Army please. First stop killing yourself in the name of language, water or whatever. Muslims ke baare mein baad mein sochna.

Why are you so afraid of Muslim Brotherhood? I condemn the depiction of Prophet Mohammad by the Danish carttonist. It is not allowed in Islam. Simple. Is it the Muslims fault that Hindu's don't react when a man dressed as Lord Hanuman is begging on the roadside? Let US first put OUR own house in order.

Therefore, I am a JAT and not a Hindu.

Regards,

JS Malik

PS: Bhai, jo kisi ko bura lage ho to lagna chahiye.

gsvijay1

February 22nd, 2006, 05:52 PM

Don't you guys think India have lot of other serious problems to deal with then this Hindu-Muslim fight.

Paachas saal phale hum loogo koo angreezo nee laadwaya aur hum aub tak laad rahe hai!!!

I agree with Col. Jagmohan that co-existence is the only solution in today multi-cultural and multi-race world.

mukeshkumar007

February 22nd, 2006, 05:55 PM

hi all,,

bhaaiyo tum chaahe jo bhi kaho par ek baat bataao......ak aaj jib bhi koi aatankwaadi kashmir me pakddya jaawe sai na te bhaarat ke saare musallmaanaa ne bada dukh howe sai.......

koi bhi cricket match dekh lena tum india vs pak taamne ye bharat ke muslmaan paaki jhanda thaae nahi paawen te bata diyoo...

ar bhai kehan main ar karen main bhot antar howe sai....... hamare desh ne to hamesha se in kutton ke liye kuch na kuch kiya hi hai .......inko rehne ke lie jagah mili .ghar mille..... par ye kya de rahe hain hammen( i mean to india) .?? just few terrorists ?????/

koi bhi muslim indian kisi field main perform nahi karta .........no studies sports nthng......exceptions r alws there ( irfan etc) inko to bus ek baat ki fikr hai ke hamari sankhhya kitni badhe bhartat me aur hum ek din yahan apni population ke dum par raaj karren......

to bhai humko inki popu. par chek laana hogaa.....saale ek ghar main 20 bandde (kutte ) rehte hain......

jab we apne dharam ko le kar itne kattar hain to tum sabko kya problem haiiii...????ek musalmaan ka joker kis desh main banaya tha ar kit aade u.p. main saale kutte dange karte hain ........wats this??????? hamare desh ki property ki naaash karen sain ek joker ke liye.........:mad:

saalyaan ka kuch fayada nahi hai is desh ne ..aur we bharat ki progress main bhaatha bane khade sain .........

keke kahun ib ............ this is wt i feel of muslims:mad:

Bhai rathiii

Baat to teri kuch kuch sahi hai…jab america ne Iraw paie halmla kiya tha sabko pata hai inhone jama masjid se lekar pure India maie raliya nikali thi ..lakin jab India maie kehi bi koi terrorist activity hoti hai tab koi bi nahi bolta …ke bera sara ne kye saap sungjya hai…

Lakin mere bhai isme is public ka dosh jyada koni..yeh sale nete hai na..sara kiya dhara inhi ka hai..allmost muslim leaders are misleading the muslim public.. dharma ke naam par bhadakne ka kaam karte hai yeh…
Ab inko sarur se hi allah allah karma sika diya jata hai…to bechare ke kare… na kare to mare and kare to mare..hehehe
I have many Muslim friends and I never find anything wrong among them except few things.. like meet khana..bakra katna hehehe.. We discuss many issues whenever we sit together and I always found them very much aware about the problem of our country . . my one friend (muslim) ib inke baap dado ka mujhe pata nahi …. Bhai awareness aa rehi hai inme bhi..situation change ho rehi hai dhire dhire….
Inke samaj maie ane lag gaya hai ki jitni izzat inko yeha milti hai utni kehi nahi mil sakti… they are understanding these facts gradually …. And I am more than confident that one day situation will change completely.

And rehi baat India ki security ki to bhai INDIA ek aisa mehan desh hai jiska na to koi kuch bigad sakya hai and na hi koi bigad sakega… ib chahe wo imam bukari hoo ya bill klionton .

mukeshkumar007

February 22nd, 2006, 06:00 PM

Therefore, I am a JAT and not a Hindu.

Regards,

JS Malik

PS: Bhai, jo kisi ko bura lage ho to lagna chahiye.

Na uncleji bilkool bi bhura na lagya..jee kush ho gya padh ke...

I am a JAT and Not a HINDUUU.......

narenderkharb

February 22nd, 2006, 08:33 PM

Salutations to a real fauji and a real Hero.

We are first jats than hindhu,muslim or christian.

Let us commit overselves to constructive approach.

dndeswal

February 22nd, 2006, 08:48 PM

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I wanted to make some comments on this thread. After reading Col. Malik's comments, nothing special is to be written. It is the juice of the whole matter. Please, brothers, stop allegations and counter-attacks.

\ SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI !!!

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sampuran

February 23rd, 2006, 03:34 PM

Dear All,
Quite unnecessary comments by some members. But then 'freedom to express' always wins. Though I have written on this issue elsewhere but let me give my take on this subject.

I am a JAT and not a Hindu. Difficult to understand but true.

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS CO-EXISTENCE.
JS Malik

Respected Col Malik, Ram Ram.
Unneccessary flareup of tempers. yes.
But Who is a Hindu ?
May be then the talk can progress in a constructive direction.

I guess human beings are decent by nature. What makes them bad is indoctrination. A child does what he has been taught. Similarly if many muslims do terrorism or such other cruel acts, the root of the problem is Islam, not the person.
Those who doubt may like to read what Swami Dayanand or Ambedkar said about Islam. Satyarth Prakash is a good reference.
Or please wiegh the basic tenets of Islam vis a vis human values.

CO-EXISTANCE IS THE SOLUTION.
Of course it is. But does Islam or the proponents of Islam have ever believed in peaceful coexistance ? None other than the Prophet himself has laid that whereve a Muslim population exists, it has a Allah sanctioned right to take over the control of the power (government) and impose
Shariat rule. Implyiong thAT EITHER THE NON-MUSLIMS SHOULD BE FORCED TO CONVERT OR SUBJUGATED INTO SUBMISSION.

The excerpts given below are indicative of the mentality that Islam represents and its proponents seek to inculcate in every believer. Of course every muslim may not believe equally in all such things, but as long as there is one thief in the village, peoples' property is not safe.

The farce of an inter-faith dialogue
From Arun Kumar in Bangalore

An Inter-Religious Dialogue for Spiritual Enlightenment by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Art of Living) and Dr Zakir Naik (Islamic Research Foundation)

The event was organised by the Islamic Research Foundation, which was widely publicised through hoardings and newspapers in Bangalore. The place was heavily crowded and majority of the crowd (95 per cent) was Muslim.

While delivering his speech, Dr Zakir Naik exhorted the crowds with Islamic (Arabic) greetings. He gave briefs about the names of both the religions and their respective scriptures—Holy Quran for Islam and the Shruti (Vedas) and Smriti (Puranas, epics, dharma-shastras, Gita) for Hinduism. He gave trivia about all these scriptures. His talk was academic in toto and he “religiously” quoted from “the Books” giving chapter number, verse number, etc, for every quote, reminding one of the lawyers quoting the rule book in courts.

He defined a criterion from the Quran for the “candidate for God”. And he declared that idol worship is banned in Hindu scriptures also and Hindus better stop that.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar also asked people to take good things from all religions and traditions. Just like you don’t become Danish by eating Danish cookies, you would not lose your religion, if you understand or honour other’s traditions. Tolerance is old-style, what we need is “respect” for each other’s traditions.

He said Muslims are fine with such definitions of God but have a problem with definitions of God having four hands and if any man is praised to be God. He said the English word God is not appropriate as you can make it as Gods, Goddess, and Godmother by playing “mischief.” So Allah is the appropriate word which is free of all this identities. He spoke of the 99 names of God in Islam and the thousands of names (sahasra-naama) given by Hindu sages. Stating that “Hinduism thinks everything is God, Islam thinks everything is God’s,” he said Islam does not recognise creation as God but only the creator. In a tone of ridicule towards the concept of avatar which means God taking human/other forms, he said the all powerful God need not become a human to create/save/protect human beings. He further said, certain Hindu books say that idol worship is for people with lower consciousness who cannot comprehend formless God, then Muslims have already reached higher consciousness and don’t need idols.

Thus, he went on about the greatness of Islam, its book, its version of God, fully befitting a zealous religious preacher. With a heavy dosage of mockery and ridicule towards image worship of Hinduism, he cried in the end, holding the Holy Quran in one hand, turning towards Sri Sri: “The greatest book on earth, on the art of living is here, given by the last and only prophet of the world... and to be followed by everyone. I am presenting this to you.” He ended the talk with some more Arabic phrases.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar started his speech with the Kabir couplet pothi padh padh jag muaa (meaning the world is drained by reading books after books, no one became wise. Only he who reads the one-and-half letters of prem is wise). He said he’s no scholar, but just a dhai-akshar-wala who loves everyone, unconditionally.

He went on to elaborate the Hindu concept of God and said that the idea of God can only be indicated and not “defined” and “specified” with limited human intellect, as the Upanishad said: “Yato vaacho nivartante apraapya manasaa saha” (the mind and speech return helpless while trying to describe That). He explained that all idol/image worship is for joy and entertainment where you play with God and this helps the heart to blossom in love.

He mentioned that if you have a concept of God lying somewhere above and outside of the world, rewarding believers and punishing non-believers on judgment day, that is a limited and misguided notion. The idea of God as all-pervading (sarvaantaryaami) is the most beautiful, like you appreciate the painting as well as the painter, all of God’s creation is divine and worthy of admiration. The grace of God is something to be experienced and is not found in books alone. He gave examples of congregation of doctors debating about “pain” whereas none had actually experienced it! The true spirituality is to transcend words and books and experience God.

Stating that the age-old spiritual practices of Yoga and pranayam can help the whole of mankind, he mentioned about how Art-of-Living volunteers brought mental peace to people traumatised by war and violence in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. He requested people to unconditionally love all of humanity in the spirit of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam (all of earth is one family).

Sri Sri told the crowd that there is no point in condemnation and let us honour each other’s traditions. Image worship is going on in this country for thousands of years—how can you condemn it? Love and mutual understanding are the need of the hour.

sampuran

February 23rd, 2006, 03:40 PM

In his characteristic, mellifluous voice, Sri Sri told the crowd that there is no point in condemnation and let us honour each other’s traditions. Image worship is going on in this country for thousands of years—how can you condemn it? Love and mutual understanding are the need of the hour. He also asked people to take good things from all religions and traditions. Just like you don’t become Danish by eating Danish cookies, you would not lose your religion, if you understand/honour other’s traditions. Tolerance is old-style, what we need is “respect” for each other’s traditions.

After Sri Sri’s talk, Zakir again came to the stage. The organisers announced, this is for being “neutral” and providing platform to Zakir to give his counterpoints. Here again, Zakir said: “I love Sri Sri Ravishankar. Because I love a child, I can’t tolerate the child falling down from the building and want to save it.” He again went on condemning idol worship and said since he loves Sri Sri, he openly invites him to the great religion of Islam which is the best form of art-of-living on earth. This was greeted with applause from audience.

But Sri Sri remained calm. He said: “No agenda, please absolutely no agenda. Before you think you’re doing good to others, just try to understand and see if the person is really in need of help. In the quest of saving the child, you’ll jump on its neck and kill the child.”

And then there was “open” question and answer session. From the questions that were coming, it appeared clear they were all “planted” questions which the designated persons started asking one after the other. One such planted question was “Is Prophet Mohammed prophesised in Hinduism?” directed at Zakir, to which he said an emphatic “yes” and quoted some obscure verses from Bhavishya Purana and said that these verses talked abut a future mahapurush from Vahleeka Pradesh (Sanskrit name for Arabia) and the details mentioned in those verses resembled Mohammed.

There were other questions to Sri Sri Ravi Shankar like “You said so much about love, but did not Krishna ask Arjuna to fight in the Gita? Is that not violence and enmity?” He replied: “Yes, but Krishna asked Arjuna to fight because it was his duty, but not with hatred and anger. Arjuna was like a policeman of dharma who has to punish wrong-doer. Krishna never preached hatred and terror.”

After observing some of the rigidity and fixated thought process, coupled with fundamentalist streak, one is left wondering, “if this is the liberal Islamic view, what would be orthodox Islamic view? What about hard-liner Islam?”

This is not the only time or the ideologue who acts in such a manner. I have seen TV programmes being telecast on international Islamic channels where other Islamic Maulvis employ exactly the same methodology of a farcical dialogue in front of a packed crowd against a Hindu preacher or Pandit, in other countries around the world.
Being an Islamic channel, they do not also show what the Hindu had said .

narenderkharb

February 23rd, 2006, 05:22 PM

Sampuran ji

It is the irony of fate that despite of great jat leaders like Sir Chotu ram Sir Skinder hayat khan premier of Sindh who opposed partition till their last breath the power lust of pandit jawarlal and jinnah under the actve guidance of their british masters forced the partition of India.

These leaders knew that they are a part of one race inhabiting this land for centuries and deviding them would be deviding brothers.

But certain communal minded persons flared passions on both sides and cooked their own meals in the fire,situations are not very different today also.

We agree there are problems with hindhu,muslim and christians religions,but this should be discussed by these spiritual leaders.

We feel jat is a devided nation and one day our sarvakhap nation will have all its land as it used to have in ancient times till afghanistan borders.

We want to have more goodwill between brothers than animity.

Do you know the first interview of prisdent Raffique Ahamad Tarar, the first jat president of pakistan(India is still to have one),when reporter asked him why he has photo of ch.Chotu ram in his place ,He replied Iam here because of this great man.

Obviously the jat blood forgot the religion colour.

We jats are like this only,jat first than hindhu or muslman.

dndeswal

February 24th, 2006, 02:14 AM

In my comments on thread The truth behind Taj Mahal (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11125), I had given an hint about medieval barbarianism which was prevalent at the time of Shah Jehan and Auranzeb. But history cannot be reversed now. As rightly pointed out by Col. Malik, to some extent, we were ourselves responsible for not being united in those days – so naturally, the cruel kings like Aurangzeb did what they wished. But now we have to concentrate on future rather than fight with the present Muslim population in India – despite the fact that some of them are fundamentalists. But there are Hindu fundamentalists too. The happenings in Kashmir, Akshardham episode, attack on Parliament etc. are all creations of foreign powers rather than the doings of common Muslim population of India.

We must, therefore, do our best to bring the Muslim population to the national mainstream. As Col. Malik rightly said, Muslims in Indian Army have proven their patriotism beyond doubt – since those Muslim armymen are now in the national mainstream. Ironically, recently there have been reports that Hizbul Mujahideen has trained several Hindu youths for killing innocent people. Some of these Hindu youths were captured by Indian Army. The reason for their joining such forces is the money power which such organisations possess.

In today’s (February 23) issue of The Herald Tribune, there is an article by Thomas L. Friedman, entitled “Empty pockets, angry minds”. Since it available on the Internet on payment basis only, I am retyping below this article (except 2-3 paragraphs). See the bold portions where the author praises the Indian Muslims for being patient on the current cartoon controversy (except a few peaceful demonstrations), despite Muslims of Pakistan and elsewhere.

Empty Pockets, angry minds
Thomas L. Friedman
National Herald Tribune, Feb. 23, 2006

I have no doubt that the Danish caroons mocking the Prophet Muhammad have caused real offense to many Muslims. I’m glad my newspaper didn’t publish them. But there is something in the worldwide Muslim reaction to these cartoons that is excessive, and suggests that something else is at work in this story.
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Today’s world has become so wired together, so flattened, that you can’t avoid seeing just where you stand on the planet – just where the caravan is and just how far ahead or behind you are. In this flat world, you get your humiliation on-line. Today, Muslim youth are enraged by cartoons in Denmark. Earlier, it was a Newsweek story about a desecrated Koran. Why, When you’re already feel left behind, even the tiniest insult from afar goes to the very core of your being – because your skin is so thin.

India is the second largest Muslim country in the world, but the cartoon protests here, unlike those in Pakistan, have been largely peaceful. One reason for the difference is surely that Indian Muslims are empowered and live in a flourished democracy. India’s richest man is a Muslim software entrepreneur. But so many young Arabs and Muslims live in nations that have deprived them of any chance to realize their full potential.
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While gross domestic product in the Middle East –North Africa region registered an annual increase of 5.5 per cent from 1993 to 2003, productivity, the measure of how efficiently these resources were used, increased by only about 0.1 per cent annually.

The Arab world is the only area in the world where productivity did not increase with GDP growth. That’s because so much of the GDP growth in this region was driven by oil revenues, not by educating workers to do new things with new technologies.
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Parvez Hoodbhoy, a professor of nuclear physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan, bluntly wrote the following in Global Agenda 2006, the journal of the recent Davos World Economic Forum : “Pakistan’s public (and all but a handful of private) universities are intellectual rubble, their degrees of little consequence. According to the Pakistan Council for Science and Technology, Pakistanis have succeeded in registering only eight patents internationally in 57 years.

“[Today] you seldom encounter a Muslim name in scientific journals. Muslim contributions to pure and applied science – measured in terms of discoveries, publications, patents and processes – are marginal. The harsh truth is that science and Islam parted ways many centuries ago. In a nutshell, the Muslim experience consists of a golden age of science from the ninth to the 14th centuries, subsequent collapse, modest rebirth in the 19th century, and a profound reversal from science and modernity, beginning in the last decades of the 20th century. This reversal appears, if anything, to be gaining speed.”

No wonder so many people in this part of the world are unprepared, and therefore, easily enraged, as they encounter modernity. And no wonder backward religious leaders and dictators in places like Syria and Iran – who have miserably failed their youth – are so quick to turn their young people’s anger against an insulting cartoon and away from themselves and the rot they have wrought.

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sampuran

February 24th, 2006, 01:42 PM

Sampuran ji

We agree there are problems with hindhu,muslim and christians religions,but this should be discussed by these spiritual leaders.

We jats are like this only,jat first than hindhu or muslman.

Kharab bhai, Ram Ram.
You certainly have a point about the partition and homogenity of Jats. That is an interesting discussion, which I shall follow up on getting your thoughts on the issue mentioned below.

My previous post was perhaps with a bit of fore-sight (though not-intended) As the dailogue (one sided debate will be more appropriate) between Sri Sri Ravishankar and Dr Zakir Naik shows Islamic ideologues and religious leaders are NOT for harmonious living with other religions. They have never been. Even the harmless Sufi saints of yore used to regularly write to the mughal emperors that enough was not being done to bring the Kafir Hindus under the sword of Islam.

Where is the desire to live peacefully ?

Secondly, you have also made a similar comment as Col Malik.
So may I repeat the question to you as well - Who is a Hindu ?

Deswalji,
It took just 150 years for the Mutalizites to get wiped out from the Islamic scene. When you understand what Islam really is, it doen not seem unusual. That any Islamic society will go into barbarism and recession is natural.
The golden period that this westerener writer talks about never existed. It was jest the transfer of stolen knowledge from India to the Arabia and further to Europe.
I still clearly remember one history teacher in school days mentioning that Arabia had many centres of learning prior to the advent of Islam. When Mohammed's armies started creating mayem all around and imposing dogmas, most of the sscholars fled northwards. Thats how knowledge travelled to Europe, and rennaissance helped in scientific revolution.
So for Arabia it was always a downslide since the advent of Islam.

In some respects these Europeans are as much ignorant about Indian history as they are about their pre-Christian one.
A prestigious university of France had mentioned Jantar Mantar in New Delhi as one of the achievements of Islamic science. When a Hnidustani professor told them it was in fact a Hindu ruler Swai Jai Singh who got it constructed, they did not evn respond .

sampuran

February 24th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Kharab Bhai

'Please also read my replies to Ch Asok Verma's thread Origin of Jaats in the History section on
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=669&page=3

and also on page no 4. The ones on page 4 are lengthy and were posted by Sh Kalkhandeji.

dndeswal

February 24th, 2006, 02:09 PM

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Thanks, Sampuran ji. I had myself written that past history is a very bad experience, citing medieval barbarianism. Western thoughts are different. They do not want to accept the fact that like Jantar Mantar, Taj Mahal too must have been a Hindu structure - so is Kutub Minar, which is stated to be built by Prithvi Raj Chauhan, rather than Qutub-ud-din-Aibak. Most of the Hindu population of India are coverts from Hinduism and they certainly have some 'Hindu' roots in them - especially the rural population. The elite Muslims only teach them 'Muslim ideology'. We have, therefore, to encounter this propaganda and should try to bring the Muslim population into national mainstream - this should be our future strategy as the history cannot be reversed. Arya Samaj movement had tried a 'Shuddhi aandolan' i.e. to re-convert them into 'Hindu' or 'Arya' or 'Vedic' culture. But our learned Pundits say that Hinduism is a one-way street - one can exit from it without any chances of coming back or take a u-turn.

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sampuran

February 25th, 2006, 08:37 PM

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The elite Muslims only teach them 'Muslim ideology'. We have, therefore, to encounter this propaganda and should try to bring the Muslim population into national mainstream - this should be our future strategy as the history cannot be reversed. Arya Samaj movement had tried a 'Shuddhi aandolan' i.e. to re-convert them into 'Hindu' or 'Arya' or 'Vedic' culture. But our learned Pundits say that Hinduism is a one-way street - one can exit from it without any chances of coming back or take a u-turn.

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Deswal Bhai you are absolutely right. The muslims masses have always been exploited by their leaders. Then going deep into history and islamic theology, you will find the Prophet mohammed created this ideology, to exploit people for his selfish and immoral desires. Unfortunately, we may no agree, but the stark truth is that as long as a person is muslim, he is laible to be brainwashed, exploited in to killing, looting, raping etc.

So what is the way out ?
Swami Dayanand was the first person to see through the game of Islam. So he started the Shuddhi Movement.

Who are the Pundits ? We never gave them two hoots. Today their value is even less. When two Jats decide to accept a muslim back into Hindu fold, what can the Pundit do ?
Accpting a muslim back into Arya Samaaj or Hindu or Sanatan whatever somebody may call, will be a noble and sensible action. To my mind , only the Jats have the guts and competncy to do that.

By the way,