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nirajsihag
February 27th, 2006, 07:35 PM
When I was reading an International Newpaper the I felt ashamed when the name of my community surfaced for such a deed:






It does not deserve a news item for most newspapers--two six-month old foetuses found abandoned. Who bothers to found that it was not an abortion by a teenaged girl who might have wanted to get rid of unwanted pregnancy.
The foetuses were both of girls and were aborted at such a late stage (six months) just because the family found it was going to be girls. Naturally it could not have been a poor family as poors don't go to nursing homes or for ultra sounds. It was most certainly a middle-class family that killed its girl children but the murderers go scot-free.
The other day the CNN-IBN showed the story that in the midst of a belt in Haryana where there are barely 750-800 girls for 1000 boys, a poor Muslim family has FIVE DAUGHTERS and no son and don't even yearn for a boy. But this is one thing that intrigues everybody.
The educated Indians have stopped so many girls from coming in this world that vast regions have below 800 sex ratio. The situation in Haryana and Punjab is worst. Amongst the religions communities the Sikhs are the worst follwed by Jains. It is becoming very difficult for Jain boys to find girls in middle-class and rural areas. The Upper caste Hindus are also suffering the consequences. Muslims have however rejected female foeticide and the sex ratio amongst Muslims is a very healthy 930.
At the national level the sex ratio is 927. Amongst Sikhs it is 786, Jains 870.

The Sikhs, the Jain, the Jats were doing it and most of the highly educated ones---killing the girl child in the womb. Kerala that has Muslims and Christians accounting for over 50% of population has a sex ratio of 1058 (more girls than boys) but a 95% Hindu Haryana has just 861. Naturally education and economy don't make a community forward or backward.
If it were so educationally backward Muslims would be killing their daughters but they are protecting. And the educated Christians too are protecting their daughters. But the Hindus, Sikhs and the most literate of all Jains are not. Those who call Muslims backward should see these figures and introspect and learn a few things from Muslims rather than labelling them outrightly as backward.
All the time we hear that Muslims treat women badly and that Hindus treat women as 'devis'. Doesn't this expose the fallacy of such claims.

sansanwalamit
February 28th, 2006, 10:25 AM
I am sure this will sound very far fetched, but can we call this unbalanced sex ratio sort of nature's way to control the overgrowing population.
As we all know India's population scenario, so it does not cause much of a grief to have such a ratio. What is going to be the ultimate result-flocks of unmarried men longing for women. This does seem very much different than current situation in India, only difference being that ultimately everyone finds a match, which will not happen for everyone due to lack of girls. So to cut it short, few women and many men will lead to few married couples and tonns of bachelors, which will lead to few children and hence population stabilizes.:)
And as per economics' principle, wouldnt this lack in supply of girls would result in an increase in their value and status in our society. This may lead to positive effects such as in the role reversal in dowery situation. This may also result in men in areas of shortage becoming more ambitious for success in order to have a happy married life. And thankfully we will not get to see odd couples such as a high school failure guy married to an MBA or BA/BCom girl. So should we call it a blessing in disguise :)

sunitahooda
February 28th, 2006, 10:34 AM
Amit Sansanwal...bhai increase in girl's status and respect cant be regarded and accepted by killing them in such an unnatural way....:mad: People who does this are DEMONS

sansanwalamit
February 28th, 2006, 10:49 AM
Amit Sansanwal...bhai increase in girl's status and respect cant be regarded and accepted by killing them in such an unnatural way....:mad: People who does this are DEMONS
Haan Bhen (sister), they are demons, actually worst than demons (atleast demons are not discriminatory). And honestly I think its only those uneducated people doing such disgusting things, will be the ones to face repurcussions of the unequal balance. Jaisa Karenge Vaisa Bharenge.

priya
February 28th, 2006, 11:03 AM
And honestly I think its only those uneducated people doing such disgusting things, will be the ones to face repurcussions of the unequal balance.

But as Niraj Sihag has pointed out "most of the highly educated ones---killing the girl child in the womb". Not only the uneducated ones!:mad:

sansanwalamit
February 28th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Yeah thanks for pointing that out, it is very sad to see educated people involved in such criminal activities. But again they will suffer because of it, this also shows that education is not much of a help for many. And this is why I feel it is mother nature taking over, in a cruel but I am sure effective way.

nirajsihag
February 28th, 2006, 12:34 PM
First of all I wanna thank all of you guys and gals for your replies

The second thing that I want to point out is this that in 95% cases women are responsible for the killing of a girl foetus so we all need do some introspection specially women and find out where the things are going wrong.

I personally urge you people to start a endevour on personal level to "Save a Girl Child".

Save if you can

priya
February 28th, 2006, 11:47 PM
And this is why I feel it is mother nature taking over, in a cruel but I am sure effective way.

I understand your point. Killing gal child in the womb has been around for quite some time though, I believe centuries (if i'm not mistaken). So how come the population in India is still growing?

And as you know in China too the population is tremendously high, but instead of killing their child in the womb the Government has limited upto only two child per non-muslim family. This is how they are controlling the population. So just compare to them, they are much much much better off than us!! It is such a shame to say that where our country regard gals as "devis" ain't like other countries, but in reality this is how our country (people who are in favour of gal child abortion) still regard gals as!!:mad:

dndeswal
March 1st, 2006, 01:44 AM
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This is just to point out that this topic is also the subject of discussion in "Current Affairs" forum under two threads:

“Ek Laddoo, Ek Larki (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11324)” and

"India's Lost Daughters" (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11494)

(Click for easy accessibility)
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nirajsihag
March 2nd, 2006, 09:19 AM
The Situation will become more grim in coming days because according to a research in next 10 to 15 years the sex ratio in haryana may come down to 1000:650.

priya
March 3rd, 2006, 06:05 AM
The Situation will become more grim in coming days because according to a research in next 10 to 15 years the sex ratio in haryana may come down to 1000:650.

GOD! thats awful :o. 10-15 years is not far away from now. The thing that I don't understand is why only the Sikhs, the Jain, and the Jats (mainly hindus) are the only one who are doing this kind of crap. Why not the muslims or the christians or the judist or any other religion in this world? And why not anywhere else a part from India? What's the main reason behind this?

sansanwalamit
March 3rd, 2006, 08:53 AM
I understand your point. Killing gal child in the womb has been around for quite some time though, I believe centuries (if i'm not mistaken). So how come the population in India is still growing?

And as you know in China too the population is tremendously high, but instead of killing their child in the womb the Government has limited upto only two child per non-muslim family. This is how they are controlling the population. So just compare to them, they are much much much better off than us!! It is such a shame to say that where our country regard gals as "devis" ain't like other countries, but in reality this is how our country (people who are in favour of gal child abortion) still regard gals as!!:mad:

Priya

I agree that Chinese do not abort their girls in order to have a boy, but that's where the similarity ends. China is a communist country with limited personal freedom compared to India. China has a policy of only one child, and one can have a second child only if they can afford it. This results in my opinion in worst situation. The whole world knows about chinese girl babies left out in wild on their own, from there they are picked up by authorities and put in orphanages and later put up for adoption. Fortunate ones (a very little percentage) are adopted by needy parents from the world over, and noone knows about where the rest end up at.
So think for yourself what is more acceptable, babies disowned by their own parents or aborted fetuses. It is a very tough choice and inhumane as well, but only if it was a fair world.
The world is not fair, not just for girls in India but for all the minorities be it based on gender, colour, class, caste and the list goes on.
Abortion is such a sensitive topic in itself, in a country like USA feminists and liberal minds are running their pro-choice campaign, and then same people have to admit with pro-life philosophy when it comes to India.
Unjustice is happening everywhere and it will keep on happenning but not for long. This reply of mine has generated some more ideas regarding who to blame for it. You might find me a sexist (which I do not think I am), but I do blame it on mothers more than anyone else. In North Indian society women are still in a very backward state, they have never stood up for themselves, and those who have they had to part their way from that society. I have never seen a movement or an organisation run by Jat women for the Jat women, although I have seen educated Jat women looking down at lesser or uneducated ones. It is a mother-in-law in the family who instigates such crimes and then she makes other women suffer and it all becomes a vicious circle. I feel being a man I cannot understand the emotional dimensions regarding abortion completely. So, I suppose what I am saying could be wrong.

Thanks,

Amit

priya
March 3rd, 2006, 09:37 AM
Priya

I agree that Chinese do not abort their girls in order to have a boy, but that's where the similarity ends. China is a communist country with limited personal freedom compared to India. China has a policy of only one child, and one can have a second child only if they can afford it. This results in my opinion in worst situation. The whole world knows about chinese girl babies left out in wild on their own, from there they are picked up by authorities and put in orphanages and later put up for adoption. Fortunate ones (a very little percentage) are adopted by needy parents from the world over, and noone knows about where the rest end up at.
So think for yourself what is more acceptable, babies disowned by their own parents or aborted fetuses. It is a very tough choice and inhumane as well, but only if it was a fair world.
The world is not fair, not just for girls in India but for all the minorities be it based on gender, colour, class, caste and the list goes on.
Abortion is such a sensitive topic in itself, in a country like USA feminists and liberal minds are running their pro-choice campaign, and then same people have to admit with pro-life philosophy when it comes to India.
Unjustice is happening everywhere and it will keep on happenning but not for long. This reply of mine has generated some more ideas regarding who to blame for it. You might find me a sexist (which I do not think I am), but I do blame it on mothers more than anyone else. In North Indian society women are still in a very backward state, they have never stood up for themselves, and those who have they had to part their way from that society. I have never seen a movement or an organisation run by Jat women for the Jat women, although I have seen educated Jat women looking down at lesser or uneducated ones. It is a mother-in-law in the family who instigates such crimes and then she makes other women suffer and it all becomes a vicious circle. I feel being a man I cannot understand the emotional dimensions regarding abortion completely. So, I suppose what I am saying could be wrong.

Thanks,

Amit

I agree with you Amit. GOD knows what goes through their (especially mothers) minds to choose to abort gal child. For them gal child are costly to upbring compare to boys, that's one of the reason I think they choose to get rid of them which is really sad. And as far as the chinese are concern where they don't abort instead they give for adoption, I understand that it's not a favorable thing to do. But what if you really can't afford to upbring that child? If I was in that situation then I would choose to give birth and give for adoption if I can't afford to upbring the child, instead of aborting the child. And I'd just pray he or she would be happy where ever he or she is (and I know GOD will protect my child). I know this sound a lil weird, but to be honest I would do it (if only there's no way that I can support my child). And this thing is really common in western countries. Obviously they have a proper procedure for this not like in China where they just leave out on their own.

nirajsihag
March 4th, 2006, 08:51 PM
A Research at Harvard

Female foeticide over the last 15 years has distorted sex ratios at birth in several Asian countries. Foetal sex determination clinics have been established in India over the last 20 years in northern and western cities. Presented here is the outcome of an intensive study of the abuse of prenatal diagnostic techniques for sex selection in a rural population of 13,000 in Rohtak district. Parents tend to be calculative in choosing the sex of the next child and the decision is based on the birth order, sex sequence of previous children and number of sons. Transfer of reproductive technology to India is resulting in reinforcement of patriarchal values as professional medical organisations seem to be indifferent to ethical misconduct.

nirajsihag
March 4th, 2006, 08:53 PM
cont.........

STRONG preference for sons over daughters exists in the Indian subcontinent, east Asia, north Africa and west Asia unlike in the western countries. People realise smaller family sizes with relatively greater number of sons by abuse of medical technologies. Pregnancies are planned by resorting to 'differential contraception' - contraception is used based on the number of surviving sons irrespective of family size . Following conception, foetal sex is determined by prenatal diagnostic techniques after which female foetuses are aborted .

China adopted a 'one child family' norm in 1979 and the phenomenon of millions of 'missing girls' was recognised by early 1990s . Female foeticide was a major cause of this imbalance. As fertility, declined rapidly in east Asian countries (South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong), selective abortion of female foetuses increased, leading to rising sex ratios at birth (SRB) (male/female) over the last 10 years.

In India the population sex ratio which was 1.03 in 1901 census rose relatively consistently to 1.08 in 1991 . Indian medical researchers who pioneered amniocentesis in 1975 said that it would assist those Indian women who keep on reproducing just to have a son; although this may not be acceptable to 'persons in the west' . Since then the contribution of sex determination tests (SDT) to the rising sex ratio has been vigorously debated [Lancet 1983] . While urban feminists demanded legislation against SDT, several social scientists felt that SDT had little impact on sex ratio [Forum against Sex Determination and Sex Preselection 1993] .

According to the 1991 census, 15 of the 70 districts with the highest child (0 to 6 years) sex ratios were in the states of Haryana and Punjab in northwest India. A well-known demographer suggested that the distortions in child sex ratios in the northwestern region for the last 100 years could be due to biological peculiarity of these women to have a highly distorted sex ratio at birth. in favour of boys [Premi 1994]. However, UNICEF argued that "female foeticide is reported to be a cause for adverse sex ratios in some Indian districts in the 1991 census" [UNICEF 1994]. Therefore, we selected villages from one such district in this region to investigate if indeed SDT were being performed and if so, to measure its impact on sex ratios. We examined the role of doctors and also considered the contributions of contraception and of the social practice of female infanticide in skewing sex ratios.