Past Life-who's who

[me_rathee]

Want to know about ur past life... Just check this link.



http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/

[atul.jhajhria]

Want to know about ur past life... Just check this link.



http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/

Hey whats your problem man!

We dont want this Brahmin sh!t!!

Please dont post these things, they tend to misguide a common person.

[suneet_rana]

Hi Atul,

I think problem is with u . I have read "Brahimn" word in your evry word. I dont know why u do so.

I proud of that I am JAT . But this means not that i must criticize other Castes.

Virendar posted this link just for fun.

[maverick6238]

hi atul



dont misunderstand but ....i think rana sir is right......


the link is cool rathee...... carry on :)

[atul.jhajhria]

Hi Atul,

I think problem is with u . I have read "Brahimn" word in your evry word. I dont know why u do so.

I proud of that I am JAT . But this means not that i must criticize other Castes.


Ahh :rolleyes:.

When Bhairon singh was CM of Rajasthan he told every newspaper(Rajsthani) to drop choudhary while writing any jat's name. Brahmins were with him. period.

If you are so close to those dirty Rajpoots and Brahmins, your choice but i wont stop bad mouthing them.

What you do come backs to you!! Isn't it :rolleyes:

This is ideological stance, and offcourse personal too. :)

[sansanwalamit]

Hey whats your problem man!

We dont want this Brahmin sh!t!!

Please dont post these things, they tend to misguide a common person.

Atul,

Atleast you can refrain from using the word "we" and stop being a spokesperson for everyone. Because when you say "we" I feel like you are making me and others party to this bad mouthing as well, without their consent.

Reincarnation is one of the main pillars of Hinduism, using words such as you have used to describe can hurt any Hindu's sentiments. You are free to have your own ideology, religion, affinities, and even express them. But could you please express your ideas in a more civilised manner so that you do not hurt anyone's sentiments by chance, and give other's a chance to look into your ideas.

Rest is all good

Cheers,

[vinodks]

Looks like every forum in Jatland has been made Time pass... people should be little thoughtful about putting useless links... I don't speak against hinduism but the link is useless...

-vinod


Want to know about ur past life... Just check this link.



http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/

[rathee369]

Bhai Snasanwal ,
tanney baat to bahut samjhdaari ki kahi hai pur bhais ke aagey beeen bajawan wali baat hai mere yaar.Pehley Bhi ek baar Col Malik ke sir hogya tha , bad-tameez aadmi hai :mad: :mad: :mad: .

Eeh daangar ke kuchh samajh na aawe , yo to kisse din mere thaayah ja jib hi Hindi mein samjhaoonga.

Mere khyaal te to iski ancestory check karwani padegi , ki yo Jat sai bhi uk nahi.eeb dekhiyo tilmila ke ke likhega ..........Mr Atul Sharma Jhajaria :D :D

[fool4love]

नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।

[rathee369]

नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।
नफरत करना आसान है,नफरत मिटाना कठिन।

Bhai sahab iska context bhi to bataao :confused: ATUL SHARMA JHAJARIA ki taraf hai ishara ya meri khichaee karran lagey ;)

[fool4love]

Bhai sahab iska context bhi to bataao :confused: ATUL SHARMA JHAJARIA ki taraf hai ishara ya meri khichaee karran lagey ;)

bhai... jisko ye message samaj me aa jaye.. usi ke liye hai...:)

[atul.jhajhria]

Atul,

Atleast you can refrain from using the word "we" and stop being a spokesperson for everyone. Because when you say "we" I feel like you are making me and others party to this bad mouthing as well, without their consent.

Reincarnation is one of the main pillars of Hinduism, using words such as you have used to describe can hurt any Hindu's sentiments. You are free to have your own ideology, religion, affinities, and even express them. But could you please express your ideas in a more civilised manner so that you do not hurt anyone's sentiments by chance, and give other's a chance to look into your ideas.

Rest is all good

Cheers,

Did Rajputs and Brahmins thought about this??
Damn Brahmins, however i do have soft corner for my religion=Hinduism.

Today jats are in position to do same to Rajputs and Brahmins, only thing missing is true jat CM.

Also I said so exactly to harm the sentiments of Brahmins, i will not back down from my comments and whenever i have chance i will cast terror in their heart and let them suffer!!

We == Rajsthani Jats who were poor, not you i agree but now they are poor and fragile:D. I will make sure to be specific next time.

And btw there is nothing like incarnation, sorry but i suppose you have dont know about Hinduism.

Hindu==Anyone who worships Idols, nothing more nothing less!!

My God can be different from your God as we have 350m Gods.

I dont believe in Brahmin crap like one caste is above other caste. I say bad things about them because thats what they deserved.

[sansanwalamit]

Did Rajputs and Brahmins thought about this??
Damn Brahmins, however i do have soft corner for my religion=Hinduism.

Today jats are in position to do same to Rajputs and Brahmins, only thing missing is true jat CM.

Also I said so exactly to harm the sentiments of Brahmins, i will not back down from my comments and whenever i have chance i will cast terror in their heart and let them suffer!!

We == Rajsthani Jats who were poor, not you i agree but now they are poor and fragile:D. I will make sure to be specific next time.

And btw there is nothing like incarnation, sorry but i suppose you have dont know about Hinduism.

Hindu==Anyone who worships Idols, nothing more nothing less!!

My God can be different from your God as we have 350m Gods.

I dont believe in Brahmin crap like one cast is above other cast. I say bad things about them because thats what they deserved.

Atul,

This site has no Brahmin or Rajput members if you want to hurt their sentiments look elsewhere where your voice and rants can be heard by them.

All I asked you to not behave like a spokesperson for all the Jats . Irony is that I am sure I have spent more years in Rajasthan than you must have and honestly I never saw such hostility in any Rajasthani Jat as much as I see in you. I am not saying that carrying such hostilty is wrong, I respect these sentiments of yours, but I would really appreciate if you could do justice with them and use them where they will recieve an audience. Otherwise you will end with nothing but a negative image of yours in everyone else's eyes.

Lastly, little knowledge is dangerous so please think twice before defining a religion, or else what you write only displays your ignorance, arrogance and foolhardyness.

Cheers,

[atul.jhajhria]

Atul,

This site has no Brahmin or Rajput members if you want to hurt their sentiments look elsewhere where your voice and rants can be heard by them.

I get your point now but thats not what i intend to do. I intend to do something different. I have explained it below.

All I asked you to not behave like a spokesperson for all the Jats . Irony is that I am sure I have spent more years in Rajasthan than you must have and honestly I never saw such hostility in any Rajasthani Jat as much as I see in you.

I spend only 5 years in rajasthan, you may have spend more time. My hostility does not come from interaction. My hostility comes from legacy.

My story: My great grandfather had a fight with rajpoots of our region. He was a strong man and clever too. He actually killed whole Rajpoot families by Bandook and thus stopped the reign of Rajpoots near our village. I mean he even killed their kids. The tyrants were finished off by my Great Grandfather. Thats a history now but animosity still runs deep.

I am not saying that carrying such hostilty is wrong, I respect these sentiments of yours, but I would really appreciate if you could do justice with them and use them where they will recieve an audience. Otherwise you will end with nothing but a negative image of yours in everyone else's eyes.

I agree many people will tend to have negative views about me. But thats how we Rajasthani Jats feel. There is nothing i can do about it.

Haryana is Rome of Jats, where they have absolute control. But they should know the history of Jats. They should know how their brothers had to fight.

I dont want to be part of this hate game but there is nothing i can do. I mean they still have problem with us. Its not created by me or other Jats. Its the creation of Rajpoots and Brahmins only. You probably spend good part of life in Haryana and outside country or you may never come across such things in Rajsthan because you never have to deal with grassroot problem. Does that mean we are not entitled to do our duty. or does that mean we cant even say the truth. Does that mean Jats from Haryana are not interested in our issues?

Lastly, little knowledge is dangerous so please think twice before defining a religion, or else what you write only displays your ignorance, arrogance and foolhardyness.

I will say you are far off from reality. Consider a Hindu living in Tamil nadu or Bihar or Orissa, do they worship same god as we do??

No

Do you expect every hindu to know all Gods.

Hinduism today is much more integrated and its good too. Atleast today everyone knows about Bhagwan Shri Ram.

I would advise you to read more books about hinduism. Hinduism was not one religion as it is made out today. Today we are integrated because of threat from other powers. Hinduism is simply a cult. A group of people who do murti puja and this is the fact. I dont know what concept you have in your mind but i would like to know how you perceive Hinduism.

Is this appeals to you?

[narenderkharb]

Dear atul

Just remove this hate stuff and see how terrific your posts would be.

[narenderkharb]

Remove a few words ,nobody deny your intellectual integrity or sincere intentions.

[atul.jhajhria]

Remove a few words ,nobody deny your intellectual integrity or sincere intentions.

Ok i wont write the hate stuff nowon, lets see how things goes. :)

[narenderkharb]

Sorry I could not see your post as you might be typing at the same time.

We can feel the pain and have all the symphathies for our brothers of rajasthan as we never knew boundaries.

The haryana jats of today may have been the rajasthani jats of yesterday

[sansanwalamit]

I get your point now but thats not what i intend to do. I intend to do something different. I have explained it below.



I spend only 5 years in rajasthan, you may have spend more time. My hostility does not come from interaction. My hostility comes from legacy.

My story: My great grandfather had a fight with rajpoots of our region. He was a strong man and clever too. He actually killed whole Rajpoot families by Bandook and thus stopped the reign of Rajpoots near our village. I mean he even killed their kids. The tyrants were finished off by my Great Grandfather. Thats a history now but animosity still runs deep.



I agree many people will tend to have negative views about me. But thats how we Rajasthani Jats feel. There is nothing i can do about it.

Haryana is Rome of Jats, where they have absolute control. But they should know the history of Jats. They should know how their brothers had to fight.

I dont want to be part of this hate game but there is nothing i can do. I mean they still have problem with us. Its not created by me or other Jats. Its the creation of Rajpoots and Brahmins only. You probably spend good part of life in Haryana and outside country or you may never come across such things in Rajsthan because you never have to deal with grassroot problem. Does that mean we are not entitled to do our duty. or does that mean we cant even say the truth. Does that mean Jats from Haryana are not interested in our issues?



I will say you are far off from reality. Consider a Hindu living in Tamil nadu or Bihar or Orissa, do they worship same god as we do??

No

Do you expect every hindu to know all Gods.

Hinduism today is much more integrated and its good too. Atleast today everyone knows about Bhagwan Shri Ram.

I would advise you to read more books about hinduism. Hinduism was not one religion as it is made out today. Today we are integrated because of threat from other powers. Hinduism is simply a cult. A group of people who do murti puja and this is the fact. I dont know what concept you have in your mind but i would like to know how you perceive Hinduism.

Is this appeals to you?

What you say that Hinduism is practiced in different form is true, so is every religion. Every culture leaves its impact on religion. But that doesnt mean that one can ignore Incarnation as a main pillar of Hinduism. The principles of Hinduism dont change just the practice, just like Calculus whether you derivate using Newton's way or Leipniz's results will be same :D

And please dont call Hinduism a cult, and what is wrong with Murti Puja?

And how I percieve Hinduism well for starters you can say I live a Hindu life.

[atul.jhajhria]

What you say that Hinduism is practiced in different form is true, so is every religion. Every culture leaves its impact on religion. But that doesnt mean that one can ignore Incarnation as a main pillar of Hinduism.

No, thats where Hinduism differs from all other major religions. This is because Hinduism was/is never a religion. Its a group of numerous people following their mysterious faith. Hinduism is just a representation of same type of people in the sense that they worship Idols.

The principles of Hinduism dont change just the practice, just like Calculus whether you derivate using Newton's way or Leipniz's results will be same :D

There is no principles of Hinduism. There is no religious book as Bible or quran. Its not a single religion as it seem today. Someone worships Sun, some worships Moon and they dont end at same place. Its not simple as Newtons calculus. :rolleyes:

And please dont call Hinduism a cult, and what is wrong with Murti Puja?

I did not said cult in the sense you perceived. Take a look in dictionary.

I never said there is something wrong with murti puja. :cool:

And how I percieve Hinduism well for starters you can say I live a Hindu life.

Good for you. :)

[sansanwalamit]

No, thats where Hinduism differs from all other major religions. This is because Hinduism was/is never a religion. Its a group of numerous people following their mysterious faith. Hinduism is just a representation of same type of people in the sense that they worship Idols.



There is no principles of Hinduism. There is no religious book as Bible or quran. Its not a single religion as it seem today. Someone worships Sun, some worships Moon and they dont end at same place. Its not simple as Newtons calculus. :rolleyes:



I did not said cult in the sense you perceived. Take a look in dictionary.

I never said there is something wrong with murti puja. :cool:



Good for you. :)

If you could do half of the things you told me, you will know where I am coming from and would know exactly where you are making mistakes. And more imporatntly will make more sense. Just for starters again, pick up the dictionary and check out what religion or cult mean.

I am not here to preach Hinduism, but we Hindus do have Geetha, Ramayana, Upanishadhas, Vedas and Adi Granths.

You cannot define a religion by comparing it to others, as every religion is unique.

And back to the reason of this conversation, Incarnation is a main pillar of Hinduism, so lets just stick to that. If you can support your disagreement with this with some solid and logical evidence then only we should continue this discussion. Because it is hard for me to keep digressing.

Cheers,

[grewalrakesh]

I can tell a simple thing..

TWO WRONGS CAN"T MAKE ONE RIGHT...
other wrong doing doesn't give us privilege to vindicate our wrong deeds..
and bhaiya mere...you can't sacrifice your present and future for your history...

soch....is duniya mein koi relegion na ho...Insaniyat ke siwa...
koi sarhadein na hon..koi bair nahin..koi nafrat nahin..koi bhed nahin...

this world would really be great....kehne ka matlab...growth is called so because it moves towards sth better..if it doesn't growth ..it is deterioration...
Mere Grand Pa was in Army and his bro. was in INA..they all attended many wars...because..
That was the demand of time and so they behaved do...not their fault..

But still ..I don't have any hatred for Pakistanis or English People....

It is simple yaar.......
Keep the things simple and straight.....
and don't take it as preachings......yeh sirf mere views hain...

Keep smiling, Because you have an appealing one...

Rakesh Kumar

[atul.jhajhria]

If you could do half of the things you told me, you will know where I am coming from and would know exactly where you are making mistakes.

Its you who need to open to ideas. Instead of countering my points you are just saying i am wrong. Try to write so everyone is convinced!


I am not here to preach Hinduism, but we Hindus do have Geetha, Ramayana, Upanishadhas, Vedas and Adi Granths.

How convenient for you to say this, even though not all Hindus worship Lord Krishna and dont know a iota of thing about upnishads.

where is our Holy Book?

Do all Hindues believe in one God?

If not how can you expect them to believe in one-two books?

And if they dont believe in one book or if they dont even know about those books how do you expect them to classify as same religion. Do you expect us to follow those books just because Brahmins said so?

Actually our religion is Umbrella religion. All Idol worshipers++ under one umbrella :)

Can you comprehand this?

You cannot define a religion by comparing it to others, as every religion is unique.

Thats where you misunderstood me, i never defined our religion, it has been defined since the long time back. I merely wrote the truth. I will say again we are group of people who worships Idols and my God can be different from your God but we both are Hindues because we both worships Idols.

[sansanwalamit]

Its you who need to open to ideas. Instead of countering my points you are just saying i am wrong. Try to write so everyone is convinced!




How convenient for you to say this, even though not all Hindus worship Lord Krishna and dont know a iota of thing about upnishads.

where is our Holy Book?

Do all Hindues believe in one God?

If not how can you expect them to believe in one-two books?

And if they dont believe in one book or if they dont even know about those books how do you expect them to classify as same religion. Do you expect us to follow those books just because Brahmins said so?

Actually our religion is Umbrella religion. All Idol worshipers++ under one umbrella :)

Can you comprehand this?



Thats where you misunderstood me, i never defined our religion, it has been defined since the long time back. I merely wrote the truth. I will say again we are group of people who worships Idols and my God can be different from your God but we both are Hindues because we both worships Idols.

Atul meri te aangali dookh gi par main tane nahin samjha saktya, kaan pakad liye aage te aisi galti nahin karoo.

Sorry to use Haryanvi but couldnt have put it as well in English. I know you have your agenda and I am sorry I was contesting it, all I want to tell you is that please do not use demeaning and derogatory remarks for the religion of the majority of this website or any other religion, that's it.

[sunitahooda]

TERROR...TERRIFIC....TERRIFYING....bas yo sara Terror word ka kamaal sai....par iski Post mai tamney kisey na kisey roop mai milega jarur....na bach saktey hum....Moderators ko bolo jukar Mata bana diya karein nuay iske naam ki bi 5-6 eent luadengey aade jatland pai arr uss Forum ka naam dharwa dyo- Atul Jhajhria Forum....bas hum bhi raji arr yo baalak bhi raji....kyun chipaat rey so tum iske????:confused:

Dear atul

Just remove this hate stuff and see how terrific your posts would be.

[sunitahooda]

Nyu kyukar teri AANGLI dookhan lagi rey Meetey???? Gaadey-luhariyan kai bhajya chalya jya....arr tuplii si chadhwa ley lohe ki angli pai...fer dekh tu kamaal....;) Yo tai POORA LOH_PURUSH ho rya sai jibbey to yo tik rya sai....

sansanwalamit]Atul meri te aangali dookh gi par main tane nahin samjha saktya, kaan pakad liye aage te aisi galti nahin karoo.

[sunitahooda]

Oops...system mistake;)

sansanwalamit]Atul meri te aangali dookh gi par main tane nahin samjha saktya, kaan pakad liye aage te aisi galti nahin karoo.

[narenderkharb]

Atul your points seem convincing however you can't put this idol worship tag as arya samaji don't favour that and it is a part of hindu society.

[narenderkharb]

Dear Amit

Don't talk like a wahabi where any remark is just taken as demeaning or derogatory.
Can you tell me where he did that.
Atul has an analytical approach and one should appreciate that.
Try to answer his points if possible but please don't put false accusations.

[shailendra]

...I have no interest to get into a religious argument (which is just like politics and can escalate into nothing....no closure!)

But then I must say your counter arguments to this forced discussion upon you have been very-very compelling and well put, Atul. It is heartening to see that you have maintained a studious composure and stated your ideas in a very controlled manner (and even agreeable, at times for me!)....so must say that except of course for that initial outburst (about you not wanting to do anything with the #@$%* Brahmins), it has been a very good comeback by you....

Hell, I say each one of us has our own unshakeable beliefes and can certainly do without people jumping into the bandwagon to start preaching without preamble, specially since at least I don't see you pushing your personal beliefs and what you yourself think, on anyone else anywhere here, and so wondering what this extended argument/discussion/accusations have been all about, anyways!??!!!!

[sansanwalamit]

Dear Amit

Don't talk like a wahabi where any remark is just taken as demeaning or derogatory.
Can you tell me where he did that.
Atul has an analytical approach and one should appreciate that.
Try to answer his points if possible but please don't put false accusations.

Dear Narender,

Your impression of me talking like a wahabi is just because you could not see all the posts as most of them have been deleted by the moderators. I am a big sucker for free speech, but I also believe in drawing a line when things go overboard.

Similarly, do not accuse me of putting false accusations on anyone, as I have not done it. Hopefully, Atul knows about it and understands what I did not like in his posts. Its all good.

Cheers,

Amit

[atul.jhajhria]

Atul meri te aangali dookh gi par main tane nahin samjha saktya, kaan pakad liye aage te aisi galti nahin karoo.

To make someone understand, your have to convince them. :)
please do not use demeaning and derogatory remarks for the religion of the majority of this website or any other religion, that's it.

I will say you are looking to the religion by someone else's eyes. If you choose to close your eyes, its your wish. But i wont close my eyes just because someone else did.

When i questioned Hinduism, it was in terms of Brahminical Hinduism. I have nothing to do with them. I am Hindu and i have my own beliefs, different from Brahmins. If you like Brahminical views, its good for you, but no i dont agree with those and i have every right to point out truth.

[deepshi]

i suppose no back stabbing, evil wishing,worth a curse to hell , no-good-doin creep PUNJABI ever brushed past u..!!;)

[shailendra]

i suppose no back stabbing, evil wishing,worth a curse to hell , no-good-doin creep PUNJABI ever brushed past u..!!;)

...Ho ho ho!... There!... now you gone and done it too, Deepshikha!
Just you wait for the morality police to come after you now! Heh! Heh! ...[and BTW, I am not talking about the VHP/Bajrang Dal or such other groups for that matter! You don't have to look that far!!!....;) ]

[sansanwalamit]

...Ho ho ho!... There!... now you gone and done it too, Deepshikha!
Just you wait for the morality police to come after you now! Heh! Heh! ...[and BTW, I am not talking about the VHP/Bajrang Dal or such other groups for that matter! You don't have to look that far!!!....;) ]


Manne bhi Moral Police ka siren to sunan laagya, dhore hi aaa li hai ;)

[yashmalik]

Atul Bro !
Please dont make it so wrong and confuse, Sensenwal bhai is correct on his point. I afraid that you really know nothing about hinduism and its holy scriptures.

You have a filmy and childish image of this oldest known relegion. The weakness you are pointing out is infact its strong root which is keeping it alive. You dont have to know all the Gods of hinduism, its the freedom. This is the beauty of this relegion.
Yes, i agree that idol-worship is not the best thing in any relegion. But here (in hinduism) its again a choice, you dont have to do idol-worship to be a hindu. Look at Jats here. Jats mostly are Arya-Samaji, they dont do idol-worship, pujas, etc. but they are regarded as the most 'Kattar' among hindus even Kattar than Brahmans and Rajputs.

Look i am with you against Brahmans, they are the biggest craps on this world. They are the people who made SCs and STs, caste-system and other bull$hit theories in Hinduism. But bro not all the fingures are same you'll see the people who rose and exposed brahmans were himself brahmans ex- Swami Vivekanada, Swami Dayananda, these are the only people which are admired by Jats, they made arya samaj which is followed by most of the Jats.

I dont know anything which happedned to you personally, Rajputs in Rajasthan may be bad coz they are in majority there. Thats human nature man!!

'Its a duty of a person to appreciate universal rules personally and hide personal views universally'

i hope u get my point

thanx

[sansanwalamit]

Atul Bro !
Please dont make it so wrong and confuse, Sensenwal bhai is correct on his point. I afraid that you really know nothing about hinduism and its holy scriptures.

You have a filmy and childish image of this oldest known relegion. The weakness you are pointing out is infact its strong root which is keeping it alive. You dont have to know all the Gods of hinduism, its the freedom. This is the beauty of this relegion.


Malik Bhai ,I totally agree with you as well, and thanks for your appreciation. But just wanted to point out that my name is Sansanwal and not Sensenwal :)

Cheers,

[narenderkharb]

disagree on two counts..

jats as kattar hindu??......NO

On the contrary jats have been most liberal in religious matters.

Rajputs in majority??....

Jats are more in number than rajputs according to census reports.

[yashmalik]

^^ Narender Bro

You think Jats are liberal in relegious matters coz u are looking it from a 'JAT-EYE'. No wonder Jats think themselves liberal infact they really are i agree.

To make things flexible you have look them from other's eye's too. Here i am watching Jats from other's eyes. I have grown up in a cosmopolitan environment and i know what the real image Jat community holds in the eyes of other communities.

I am just trying to give justice to my views thats it!!
NO-Personal shooting.

Jats are more in number than rajputs according to census reports.
I just guessed, if its true i accept my mistake

[yashmalik]

Malik Bhai ,I totally agree with you as well, and thanks for your appreciation. But just wanted to point out that my name is Sansanwal and not Sensenwal :)

Cheers,

Er ! theek sai Sansanwal bhai kade kade padan aur likhan me galti ho ja se. Kati sahi sansani-wala naam se yo.;)