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scotlandjat
May 14th, 2006, 04:49 PM
Jan 25/26, 1997: 25 at Wandhama-Ganderbal.

Mar 20, 1997: 7 at Sangrampura.

April 18, 1998: 27 at Prankote.

June 19, 1998: 25 at Chapnari.

July 28, 1998: 16 in two villages of Doda district.

August 8, 1998: 35 at Kalaban.

Feb 20, 1999: 4 at Muraputta, 9 at Barlyara and 7 at Bllala.

June 30, 1999: 15 in Anantnag district.

July 19, 1999: 15 at Layata.

February 28, 2000: 5 near Qazigund.

Mar 20, 2000: 35 at Chatisinghpora.

August 1, 2000: 31 Amarnath yatris at Pahalgam.

August 1-2, 2000: 27 in Qazigund and Achabal.

August 2, 2000: 11 in Doda district.

February 3, 2001: 6 in Mahjoornagar in Srinagar.

Feb 11, 2001: 15 in Kot-Chadwal.

Mar 2, 2001: 15 in Manjkote.

March 17, 2001: 8 near Atholi in Doda.

July 21, 2001: 13 including 7 Amarnath pilgrims at Sheshnag.

July 22, 2001: 12 in Cheerji and Tagood in Doda district.

August 4, 2001: 15 in Ludder-Sharotid Har area in Doda district.

January 7, 2002: 17 in Ramsoo.

February 17, 2002: 8 in Rajouri.

March 30, 2002: 12 in Raghunath Temple at Jammu.

May 14, 2002: 32 in Kaluchak, Jammu.

July 13, 2002: 20 in Kasim Nagar, Jammu.

August 6, 2002: 9 Amarnath pilgrims at Nunwan base camp in Pahalgam.

August 24, 2002: 10 in Rajouri.

November 24, 2002: 14 in Raghunath Temple at Jammu.

March 24, 2003: 24 in Nadimarg.

April 29, 2005: 13 in Udhampur district.

April 30, 2005: 22 in Doda district.


Wondering what these numbers refer to? Yes, these numbers refer to the innocent people who have been massacred by Islamist Terrorists in the state of Jammu & Kashmir during last few years. And this is not a comprehensive list by any means. It just highlights the major massacres that have been undertaken by Islamist terrorists in recent years. In addition to these major massacres, there have been targeted killings going on at regular intervals all through these years.

And do you know what was common among these innocent victims? Yes, all these victims of Islamic terrorism were innocent Hindus, who believed in the Indian National Flag and Constitution.

Targeted killings of Hindus in J&K continue unabated but nothing moves our state and central government. Instead of any concrete and decisive response, we hear oft-repeated sound-bytes from our politicians and policy makers. Here is how they reacted to the latest massacre in Doda and Udhampur:

"People of Kashmir have rejected and rebuffed terrorists repeatedly," said our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh.

"We have advised the State authorities to review the security measures for the minorities in the State. This incident clearly shows the desperation of the terrorists who want to derail the peace process in the State," said our home secretary V. K. Duggal.

Our minister of state for home Sriprakash Jaiswal chimed in: "The terrorists do not want the peace initiatives being taken by the Centre to succeed."

And finally J&K's Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad topped it off by saying: "The killers will not be spared. We will not allow them to succeed in their designs. We would rather give a big push to the peace process. I want to make it clear once and for all that we will not bow to any pressure from terrorists. They will not be allowed to get away with their acts of mass murders."

Will not be allowed to get away with their acts of mass murders? Mr. CM, which planet are you living in? They have been getting away with these acts of mass murders all along without any punitive repercussions and you talk about not allowing them to get away. I know it is said that ignorance is bliss but not in this case. Please wake up and try to see the reality on the ground.

Do these sound-bytes sound familiar? How many times have we heard these already? At this point, we don't even need to ask these politicians for their reaction. Don't we already know what they are going to say? Same words with absolutely no substance!

And what do opposition parties do? The age-old call for bandh. That is what National Conference and Panthers Party have done – called for Jammu Bandh. BJP has not even done that. It has totally given up.

The worst but most-repeated statement that the Government of India issues is: "these killings will not affect the peace process with Pakistan."

WHY NOT?

Why shouldn't these killings affect the peace process with Pakistan? Why shouldn't India withdraw from all the peace processes and so-called confidence building measures? Why shouldn't India demand the absolute closing down of the entire terror infrastructure in Pakistan and the verification of the same by joint Indo-Pak forces? Why shouldn't India be forthright and blunt about blaming Pakistan for this scourge of terrorism? Why does India have to play nice while its innocent citizens, including little children, are getting killed day in and day out by these Islamist terrorists who are supported and sponsored by Pakistan?

Until and unless Pakistan stops all the support - moral, political, diplomatic, economic and military, to Islamic terrorists, India should not entertain any offer of talks from Pakistan. India just needs to focus on eradicating Islamist terrorists from J&K and I propose the following 13-step process to achieve that.

With immediate effect:

1. Stop all confidence building measures that are in process with Pakistan;
2. Suspend all diplomatic relations with Pakistan;
3. Suspend the "Caravan-e-Aman" bus service between Srinagar and Muzzafrabad;
4. Cancel the scheduled meeting with Pakistan's puppets Hurriyat Conference;
5. Seal the entire border with Pakistan and Bangladesh;
6. Declare internal emergency in the state of J&K, without suspending the constitution;
7. Appoint someone like K. P. S. Gill as an Internal Security Czar in J&K, who will oversee the entire security operations in the state and will report directly to the Prime Minister's Office;
8. Let the civilian state government, elected by the masses, handle the civilian operations within the state;
9. Give appropriate and required authority to security forces and agencies;
10. Ask all foreign reporters and so-called Amnesty International observers to leave J&K within 24 hours;
11. Give an ultimatum to all the citizens of J&K to stop shielding and supporting terrorists. Anyone found shielding and supporting any terrorists will be charged accordingly;
12. Give an ultimatum of 3 weeks to all the terrorists in J&K to lay down arms and surrender or face the wrath of security forces and;
13. Then let the show begin.

At the South Asia Journal conference organized by South Asia Free Media Association (SAFMA), Pakistan's Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said, "the dialogue process with India is underway. However, its pace is not very good and there is need to speed up this process." He also said: "Both countries now should move towards dispute resolution rather than dispute management." India should tell Shaukat Aziz to shut up and instead focus on his internal mess. It is about time to tell Pakistan to go to hell and let it rot internally. India has no obligation to listen to Shaukat Aziz or any of his minions.

India does not have to worry about how the US and other European nations will react to her strategy to deal with Islamic terrorism. It is India's problem and India needs to deal with it in the manner that is in the best interest of India and its citizens. When a nine-year-old girl is killed in Doda district, it is the blood of India that flows. We need to be crystal clear in our dealings with US and other western nations and tell them categorically that Indian blood is as precious as American or European blood. If the US and other western nations can take all the extreme measures, which they should and they are, to protect their citizens and land, India has the absolute right to do the same. When a terrorist hurts an innocent Indian child, he/she is hurting the whole nation of India and India will not tolerate that at any cost.

So I have only one question for our honorable Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh.

Having already lost so much innocent blood, what will it take Mr. Prime Minister?

The writer is the Executive Editor and Publisher of Kashmir Herald.

http://www.kashmirherald.com/main.php?t=OP&st=D&no=112 (http://www.kashmirherald.com/main.php?t=OP&st=D&no=112)

kharub
May 14th, 2006, 05:40 PM
a very good issue raised ........ i am in a bit of a rush .. so will keep it brief ....

The Gandhian (toothless, timid, coward) ideology that still persists among the Indian Government and especially the congress party has been a major contributor to such events that the country and its innocent masses face.

We need to let go of that era of cowardly response to external and internal threats facing the country.

We need to be assertive and pro-active in identifying threats and neturalising them before they actually harm us. Take them out before they take us on ....

Why are we begging for peace with Pakistan, when all they do is to harm us, spread communalism in our society, kill innocent civilians, misguide and brainwash our youth (be that sikh, muslims, north-east groups) ???

Its about time that we started supporting the fighters in Balouchistan, Mohajir Quomi Movement, Sindhis and the Shias in the same way. This will teach Pakistan a very good lesson, as to what happens when your bigger, more powerful and more prosperous neighbour adopts the same de-stabilisation policies as you.

This will make them understand the importance of making peace with India.

Lets buy the unmanned drones (unmanned ariel vehicles) and take out the militant training camps in POK, arm and full heartedly support anti-Pak groups in Afganistan.

TIT for TAT is what is needed .............. not turn the other cheek like Gandhi said ...... (i do respect him for his devotion to the people, but have no regard for his opinion or his policies or beliefs) .....

How long will we keep watching others rape or dignity and social harmony ??

Is there no self-respect left in the Indian Political Establishment ????

rajivshokeen
May 15th, 2006, 09:00 AM
I think this is a vital topic that needs to be discussed for the country as a whole. We can't afford to waste energy, resources and time over cross-border terrorism which eventually halts our country's progess. We need to root out this evil.

Also, I never understood why there are so many terrorist groups in Pakistan fighting for Kashmir and none in India. Isn't it strange? If we have to do tit for tat according to Kharub bhai, then start forming Indian terrorists groups and see who's going to win this battle.

I urge all Jatlanders to put their opinions as I know we guys have true nationalism in our blood.

chhillar
May 15th, 2006, 10:15 AM
The Gandhian (toothless, timid, coward)


Kharab Saab, I am not sure if Gandhi Ji had much to say about international terrorism, anyways I think Gandhi was a brave man himself by all standards.

toothless, timid, coward ....all these apply on terrorists more so than people like him. I partially agree with you on the rest though.

yashmalik
May 15th, 2006, 12:37 PM
Bros, this isnt a new topic and this topic has been aired again and again. Mind me, no-body here from the govt bother anything. My blood boils whenevr i heard these kinda news from Kashmir or elsewhere.

Now i only know what Indian people want - "let there be another war, more bloodier and nuclear and let there be one result either India or Pakistan and this time we are ready for it".

kharub
May 15th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Kharab Saab, I am not sure if Gandhi Ji had much to say about international terrorism, anyways I think Gandhi was a brave man himself by all standards.

toothless, timid, coward ....all these apply on terrorists more so than people like him. I partially agree with you on the rest though.

you are talking about the same Gandhi who used to sleep with his naked young girls to practise so called celibacy "During his Noakhali tour of 1946, Gandhi used to sleep with the nineteen-year-old Manu"

The same Gandhi who could have saved the life of Shahid Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev and Rajguru, but declined to do so because of his arrogance.

The same Gandhi who got Jawahar lal Nehru elected as the PM of India, sidelining Sardar Patel a much deserving candidate and widely supported by the party.

the same Gandhi who got money released for Pakistan at the same time when they were trying to annex Indian Territory in Junagarh, Kashmir and Hyderabad.

Are you talking about the same Gandhi .. sorry i wanted to keep my feeling to myself, so as not to offend anyone. But now you have ignited me.

chhillar
May 15th, 2006, 11:29 PM
you are talking about the same Gandhi who used to sleep with his naked young girls to practise so called celibacy "During his Noakhali tour of 1946, Gandhi used to sleep with the nineteen-year-old Manu"

The same Gandhi who could have saved the life of Shahid Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev and Rajguru, but declined to do so because of his arrogance.

The same Gandhi who got Jawahar lal Nehru elected as the PM of India, sidelining Sardar Patel a much deserving candidate and widely supported by the party.

the same Gandhi who got money released for Pakistan at the same time when they were trying to annex Indian Territory in Junagarh, Kashmir and Hyderabad.

Are you talking about the same Gandhi .. sorry i wanted to keep my feeling to myself, so as not to offend anyone. But now you have ignited me.

Can't agree with you more on the above mentioned points but it still doesn't prove he was timid or a coward....I would be glad to be wrong if you have more arguments to nurture the healthy discussion here....peace

karan
May 18th, 2006, 08:14 AM
Amit
Brother don't put out a challenge on that. Having historical debate doesn't solve anything, none of us were here at that time. IMHO only problem after independence was Godse didn't whack nehru. If he was any smart he should have SERE (Special Forces Training--Survive Escape Rescure Evade) and then do Nehru, that would have catapulted Patel as PM we would not have 48 war, 65 war, 71 war, 89 skirmish, kargil war. No Kashmir problem either.

desijat
May 18th, 2006, 10:40 AM
you are talking about the same Gandhi who used to sleep with his naked young girls to practise so called celibacy "During his Noakhali tour of 1946, Gandhi used to sleep with the nineteen-year-old Manu"

The same Gandhi who could have saved the life of Shahid Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev and Rajguru, but declined to do so because of his arrogance.

The same Gandhi who got Jawahar lal Nehru elected as the PM of India, sidelining Sardar Patel a much deserving candidate and widely supported by the party.

the same Gandhi who got money released for Pakistan at the same time when they were trying to annex Indian Territory in Junagarh, Kashmir and Hyderabad.

Are you talking about the same Gandhi .. sorry i wanted to keep my feeling to myself, so as not to offend anyone. But now you have ignited me.
dude

It couldnt have been more truthfull

Even am against Gandhism, Whats the fun in putting yourself ahead for another slap:confused:

Eent ka Jawab Pathar se do. Then only one can feel the pain he gives someone.

sampuran
May 18th, 2006, 08:14 PM
a very good issue raised ........ i am in a bit of a rush .. so will keep it brief ....

Is there no self-respect left in the Indian Political Establishment ????

No. It was lost much before independenc itself.

Politicians wont do a thing till they see votes coming from that action.

Sixty years back Indians fought British terror to get freedom. Today again common people only will have fight to save their future from a new terror, this time it is Islamic.

. Threat to human dignity comes in an new shade - from White to Green

kharub
May 18th, 2006, 10:48 PM
Amit
Brother don't put out a challenge on that. Having historical debate doesn't solve anything, none of us were here at that time. IMHO only problem after independence was Godse didn't whack nehru. If he was any smart he should have SERE (Special Forces Training--Survive Escape Rescure Evade) and then do Nehru, that would have catapulted Patel as PM we would not have 48 war, 65 war, 71 war, 89 skirmish, kargil war. No Kashmir problem either.

I so agree with you ,,,,,,, i wish he would have done that ...... India would be a different place now .... I wish ...