Will Chautala return to power? (With Poll)

[dahiyarules]

People seem to have short term memory problems.

I see political parties that once performed miserably, returning to power. I see politicians whose corruption could be mentioned in the books of fables, returning to eve higher offices.

With all the ruckus about Chautala, I am very convinced that the same people who are whinning about him now, will vote him back to power.

People in New Jersey will be hosting banquets for him. Students in foreign universities will write petitions to fund institutions. People in Bombay and Delhi will go out of their way to defend the very process of democracy that has become a bane for average Indians who struggle to live their lives, a day at a time.

And so the viscious circle of corruption and deception will go on.

Long live democracy! I hope it gives more corrupt leaders to our country who will marginalize the majority to canvass the support of the minority groups who actually vote.

[rkumar]

PAL .....corruption by jat is a tool to social transformation.....

wah janab kiya logic diya hai... ek dam sharabiyon ki mafiq...jo peene ke liye koi ne koi naya bahana dhoondh hi lete hain...

RK^2

[jatsingh]

pal logic se baat karo ..........coz i always understand logic....if i m wrong then how...........:confused:

[prashantacmet]

Eibb saarra mamla simajh main aaya meri JATSINGH ji..... aapn kyoun JAT-DALIT ekta pai itna jor dere ho.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm........aachhha......... BOHAT BADHIYA............................pehlam main tera hi number aaewga Bhai......... dookhi na howwe tu..... MAYAWATI eibb lok KUWARRI hai..............ROOKKA @ KUWARRI MAYAWAT................
PAL .....corruption by jat is a tool to social transformation.coz corruption by jats or dalits will make us at par to brahmins baniya & punjabi n it is good for democracy...
AND in this economically equal society....WHICH CAN B ATTAINED BY CORRUPTION..there will b intercaste marriages means there will b eradication of caste or caste- based politics means there will b starting of real issue based polits ....n v will tacle this corruption in that stage....that revolutionary stage.....dont compare it with brahmin corruption coz that will increase disparity n our corruption is for equality..
this is my thesis that by corruption we can attain corruptionless society.......coz poison is a cure to poison.....
if not chautala ...........n no congress......imagine....then what..
then B.J.P. r u in favour of b.j.p............fullform of B.J.P.is
BOYCOTT JAT PARTY
BRAHMIN JAGAO PARTY
BANIYA JAGAO PARTY:confused:

[raj2rif]

Dear Sumit,

Purely, on the basis of performance of Mr. Chautala the answer is "NO", however more often than not, the votes has nothing to do with performance. Mostly the votes are either cast for a candidate's community, or the party that he/she belongs, or just to defeat the one in power (anti establishment). If that happens Mr. Chautala does have a chance to come back into power.
Further political alliances also polarize the voting pattern. All those out of power will start having similar vision for the country and will come up with a common minimum program which will end with the formation of government once they come to power.
Thus I would like to keep myself away from speculations.

Dear Mr. Jat Singh Ji,

You talked about logic in reply to post by Dr. RK. However I did not get the message, could you please elaborate, what you exactly mean? Or for you any thing against the Bania, Brahmin and Punjabi and for Dalits is logic. Do you even have slightest of idea as to how corrupt Mrs. Mayavati's government had been in UP. Do you have any idea of the agenda she carries with her? I would suggest that you need to do a little home work before suggesting some thing called "Logic" to a member of the stature of Dr. RK. or for that matter any one else.

[devdahiya]

SUMIT bhai...kyun nahin.....Chautala ji tei hamesha hi CM hein....be it in the chair or out of it....Katti jarra sa bi shakk konni.

[downtoearth]

SUMIT bhai...kyun nahin.....Chautala ji tei hamesha hi CM hein....be it in the chair or out of it....Katti jarra sa bi shakk konni. dev sir,,,, agree wid u,,,,,,,,100 ki 100 baat keh di,,,,,,,,,,, aur narwaana mein beshaak aaj election karwaa key deekh lyoo,,,,,,,, randeep ki jamanat jabat na hoo jey too,,,,,, nuey kaithaal ka haal hai,,,,,,,,:) aur joo aarey corruption corruption ka rukka maaran laag rahey hain......... unney nu bata dyu,,,,,, aaj key din harr district mein tey d.t.o..... overload key naam pey kitni kitni monthly upper bhijwaan laag rehya hai,,,,,,,,, 10,00000 rs per month ,,,:rolleyes: :cool: :rolleyes: :cool: huh

[jatsingh]

RESPECTED COL. SIR
I M NOT A MEMBER OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY,BUT HAV SOME VISIONS TOWARDS OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THERE R THREE STEPS TO SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION+
1.TO ENSURE ECONOMIC UPLIFTMENT OF
LOW CASTES, EVEN BY CORRUPTION
2.AFTER EMPOWERMENT, INTERCASTE
MARRIAGES WILL START,OTHERWISE
NOT,IT WILL B AN ERADICATION OF
CASTE N CASTE BASED POLITICS
3.IN LAST , IN THIS CASTELESS SOCIETY
A NEW REVOLUTIONARY POLITICS WILL
START....POLITIX OF HAVS N HAV NOT
N WE WILL TACLE THIS JAT-CORRUPTION
IN THAT STAGE.
THIS IS MY NEW AUTHENTIC FORMULA FOR AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY.........THINK WHY MARXISM FAILS IN INDIA.....:confused:
JAI JATISTAN..

[itsnavin]

Dahiya bhai....Chautala pher te aana te nahin chahiye....aur yadi aa jata hai te it means that really voters have short memories. I think atleast for next 2 terms, he won't be there. Some people think that his 'able' sons can stage a comeback but I m sure it was only Chautala who was capable of ruling Haryana...his sons are mainly responsible for his downfall.

Aur rahi baat chautala par CBI raids ki...I think it won't matter much. Jab Bofors, Hawala, Stamp ghotala jaise cases mein kisi ko saja nahin milti to Chautala ka kya ho sakta hai?? Moreover, if he's such a big backing of money ans support, he can buy any CBI in India...and will roam freely.

There are numerous examples to support my logic...See latest examples of Manu Sharma and Vikas Yadav...Chautala is far stronger and richer than Venod Sharma and DPYadav.

Summary is...today nobody wants him back...I never liked his regime and today also I don't want him to come back. BUT nobody knows what will happen after 8-10 years.

[ratheetheraist]

Dahiya bhai....Chautala pher te aana te nahin chahiye....aur yadi aa jata hai te it means that really voters have short memories. I think atleast for next 2 terms, he won't be there. Some people think that his 'able' sons can stage a comeback but I m sure it was only Chautala who was capable of ruling Haryana...his sons are mainly responsible for his downfall.

Aur rahi baat chautala par CBI raids ki...I think it won't matter much. Jab Bofors, Hawala, Stamp ghotala jaise cases mein kisi ko saja nahin milti to Chautala ka kya ho sakta hai?? Moreover, if he's such a big backing of money ans support, he can buy any CBI in India...and will roam freely.

There are numerous examples to support my logic...See latest examples of Manu Sharma and Vikas Yadav...Chautala is far stronger and richer than Venod Sharma and DPYadav.

Summary is...today nobody wants him back...I never liked his regime and today also I don't want him to come back. BUT nobody knows what will happen after 8-10 years.

respected bhai saab.....aapne ya summary bataan ki jagaah apnii raaiii bataa dii....summaryy te kimme aurree likkddee thii........

respected sumit bhai saab.......chautala saab te zaroor laut ke aaengee.........

ye baat aaj main kahun sun .......manne kimme nahi chaahiyee kaangress te arr kaangressiyaan tee.......iss maarrii chautala saab kee saath khade hain aaj bhi....chaahe jaat power main aawe chaahee naa........ arr baaki jantaa saii ee fainslaa karann aalii........yo kasoor janta ka bhi koni.......isnnee chautala saab kaa kaam te aachaa laagya par nu kahenn llaagg lii akk tariiqaa galat thaa.......arr thodee din main kaangress kaa tariiqaa bhii innee kaat kaat khaa nii jaa te bata diyoo...........ibbee tee hoyaa ee kee saii...........shuruaat bhii na hoii saii ibbee tee.......lets see!!!!!!!!!!!


ARR CHAUTALA SAAB KI EK BAAT SHARE KARNA CHAHUNGAA AAP SABB SEY.........iss baar ke elections main,, main narwana tha apne friend ke saath.....1 taariq ney aakri din tha campain ka.......arr usse din narwana shehar main rallii thaii.......usmme chautala saab ney ek baat kahi thi narwana ki janta tey......waa main kadde bhi naa bhool sakta..........chaudhary saab bolle," HEY NARWANA KE BHAIYOO,, TUMNEY JIS TARAH SE MUJHE APNE CHUNAW SHETRA SE CHUNAW LADWAYA AUR JITAYA.....JABKI MAIN ISS SHETRA KAA NAHI HUN......TUMNEY TO MERE UPPAR ITNA KARZZ CHADHA DIYAA,, AKK MAIN APNI KHAAL KI JUTTII BANA BANA BHI TUMNEY PARAA DUNN JIBBEE BHII NAHI UTAREE..."..........dear jatlanders ,, his speech had so much in it tht i cant xplain ....ARR ISSAA LAAGEY THAA AKK UU JAAT KATII SAACHI BOLLEE THAA ,, EK BHI BAAT MAIN CHALAKI NAHI CHUPII THI USS WAQT.......ISS MAARI MAIN TO YE MAANTA HUN KE SAACHAA ARR MEHNTI JAAT GIR KAR FIR SAMBHALTA HAI AUR APNA MUKAAM ZAROOR HAANSIL KARTA HAI..........:)

arr hum te chautala saab ke saath hain ,, dil jaan sey,, nd as dev kaka said,, hi is C.M. alws...............mharey taain te wo hi hamesha C.M. rahengey......:cool:

[nd-chora]

bhai mental level (as per u say) te chotta sei pher bhi try karunga kutch likhann ki. bhai aankh mund ke kisse ke patche na pada karte chaahe koi bhi party ya politician ho, choutala ne isha ke kaam ker diya jo tum aandhe ho re sho uske patche. haryana ka naash karann te shiwa kutch bhi na kara. ar ebbe te congress ki Govt. aai sei, dekho 4 saal baad tak ke ke howe ya nahi, tab dekhi ja gi. sabse bada kaam te eb tahin yu hoya sei ke haryana mein te corruption khatam honn lagrya sei chaahe JBT admission ki baat le lo chaahe aanganwaadi selection ki le lo sab kutch merit base pe hoya sei, ishte bada improvement ke ho sake sei. ar eb POlice ki bharati mein bera patt ja gya sab kutch paani ka paani ho jya ga.

padhe likhe ho ke bhi na samajhte ki choutala ne sirf gher bharann ke shiwa kutch bhi na kara. eb te patche aash chod do uski .Mental level thaara.........:confused:

respected bhai saab.....aapne ya summary bataan ki jagaah apnii raaiii bataa dii....summaryy te kimme aurree likkddee thii........

respected sumit bhai saab.......chautala saab te zaroor laut ke aaengee.........

ye baat aaj main kahun sun .......manne kimme nahi chaahiyee kaangress te arr kaangressiyaan tee.......iss maarrii chautala saab kee saath khade hain aaj bhi....chaahe jaat power main aawe chaahee naa........ arr baaki jantaa saii ee fainslaa karann aalii........yo kasoor janta ka bhi koni.......isnnee chautala saab kaa kaam te aachaa laagya par nu kahenn llaagg lii akk tariiqaa galat thaa.......arr thodee din main kaangress kaa tariiqaa bhii innee kaat kaat khaa nii jaa te bata diyoo...........ibbee tee hoyaa ee kee saii...........shuruaat bhii na hoii saii ibbee tee.......lets see!!!!!!!!!!!


ARR CHAUTALA SAAB KI EK BAAT SHARE KARNA CHAHUNGAA AAP SABB SEY.........iss baar ke elections main,, main narwana tha apne friend ke saath.....1 taariq ney aakri din tha campain ka.......arr usse din narwana shehar main rallii thaii.......usmme chautala saab ney ek baat kahi thi narwana ki janta tey......waa main kadde bhi naa bhool sakta..........chaudhary saab bolle," HEY NARWANA KE BHAIYOO,, TUMNEY JIS TARAH SE MUJHE APNE CHUNAW SHETRA SE CHUNAW LADWAYA AUR JITAYA.....JABKI MAIN ISS SHETRA KAA NAHI HUN......TUMNEY TO MERE UPPAR ITNA KARZZ CHADHA DIYAA,, AKK MAIN APNI KHAAL KI JUTTII BANA BANA BHI TUMNEY PARAA DUNN JIBBEE BHII NAHI UTAREE..."..........dear jatlanders ,, his speech had so much in it tht i cant xplain ....ARR ISSAA LAAGEY THAA AKK UU JAAT KATII SAACHI BOLLEE THAA ,, EK BHI BAAT MAIN CHALAKI NAHI CHUPII THI USS WAQT.......ISS MAARI MAIN TO YE MAANTA HUN KE SAACHAA ARR MEHNTI JAAT GIR KAR FIR SAMBHALTA HAI AUR APNA MUKAAM ZAROOR HAANSIL KARTA HAI..........:)

arr hum te chautala saab ke saath hain ,, dil jaan sey,, nd as dev kaka said,, hi is C.M. alws...............mharey taain te wo hi hamesha C.M. rahengey......:cool:

[chhillar]

Bhai Sumit: Like some body said in the above post...anaa te na chahiye...par philhaal to baat ye he ki Seatel te kad ulta avega...pehlan jail mein te to ulta aa len dyo...ek jail mein te e election ladwaoge...

As long as Jats don't have better things to look upo to...Chautala likes will always find ways to come back.

[ratheetheraist]

bhai mental level (as per u say) te chotta sei pher bhi try karunga kutch likhann ki. bhai aankh mund ke kisse ke patche na pada karte chaahe koi bhi party ya politician ho, choutala ne isha ke kaam ker diya jo tum aandhe ho re sho uske patche. haryana ka naash karann te shiwa kutch bhi na kara. ar ebbe te congress ki Govt. aai sei, dekho 4 saal baad tak ke ke howe ya nahi, tab dekhi ja gi. sabse bada kaam te eb tahin yu hoya sei ke haryana mein te corruption khatam honn lagrya sei chaahe JBT admission ki baat le lo chaahe aanganwaadi selection ki le lo sab kutch merit base pe hoya sei, ishte bada improvement ke ho sake sei. ar eb POlice ki bharati mein bera patt ja gya sab kutch paani ka paani ho jya ga.

padhe likhe ho ke bhi na samajhte ki choutala ne sirf gher bharann ke shiwa kutch bhi na kara. eb te patche aash chod do uski .Mental level thaara.........:confused:

hahaha.............bhai saab saachi baat katii sahii NISAANEY peyy laagii katii...........ibb kimmee uthaa upar u level aapkaa...thank god ,, oh myyy:eek::p:cool:

ibb aapke mental level kii bhi ek thread kadun ke naii........arr jinn baataan te aapka level bera paate saii we bhii likhun ke saath main........main te makhaa kyun bolla public main baddee bhai saab sain.......chalo jaisi aapki marjii......je shuru kar dii naa thread........aap bhi apni vote NEGETIVE PE dee kee aaogey........issii baat aawenn sain aapney........aur main ke kahun ibb........ye jatlanders gawah e hain aagey......:cool:

arr hum te padh likh liyee..........arr apna netaa dhundann taain humney kisse ki salah ki jarut koni.....hum te chaal padeyy hain ibb......arr aagey raam raah dikhawegaa......:cool:

[prashantacmet]

Daangi Bhai sahab , aapne bhi baat ka kati GOO tha diya........... ROOKKA @GOO........ aap jisse SHYANE manas tai ya umeed kona thi humme................ JATSINGH bhai ki saari post MATADOR(AMBEDKAR) ar DALIT tai shuru hoowe ..... ar tharri iss MENTEL LEVEL tai.........ROOKKA @ MATADOR......... aap haamne bhi to batao kon naape tha aapka mental level.......uska naam UZAGGAR karo ne..... nuoey KULLHO main GUDD kyon phodo sai........ ROOKKA @ KULLHO main GUDD..............
bhai mental level (as per u say) te chotta sei pher bhi try karunga kutch likhann ki. bhai aankh mund ke kisse ke patche na pada karte chaahe koi bhi party ya politician ho, choutala ne isha ke kaam ker diya jo tum aandhe ho re sho uske patche. haryana ka naash karann te shiwa kutch bhi na kara. ar ebbe te congress ki Govt. aai sei, dekho 4 saal baad tak ke ke howe ya nahi, tab dekhi ja gi. sabse bada kaam te eb tahin yu hoya sei ke haryana mein te corruption khatam honn lagrya sei chaahe JBT admission ki baat le lo chaahe aanganwaadi selection ki le lo sab kutch merit base pe hoya sei, ishte bada improvement ke ho sake sei. ar eb POlice ki bharati mein bera patt ja gya sab kutch paani ka paani ho jya ga.

padhe likhe ho ke bhi na samajhte ki choutala ne sirf gher bharann ke shiwa kutch bhi na kara. eb te patche aash chod do uski .Mental level thaara.........:confused:

[itsnavin]

respected bhai saab.....aapne ya summary bataan ki jagaah apnii raaiii bataa dii....summaryy te kimme aurree likkddee thii........


Bhai Rathee...ek baat ko kehne ke ek se jyada tarekey hote hai...and I used one of them. Keep guessing! Baaki teri dedication ka jawaab nahin.

Anyway, it doesn't matter who is Haryana CM but what matters is upliftment of community and state.

[rkumar]

Though its difficult to predict political outcome in India, but my gut feeling is that Chautala Ji might never return as CM. My logic is based upon the fate of Ch. Devi Lal Ji who lost four elections from Rohtak. I can not think of any political combination which Chautala Ji can create and then become CM.

RK^2

[ratheetheraist]

Though its difficult to predict political outcome in India, but my gut feeling is that Chautala Ji might never return as CM. My logic is based upon the fate of Ch. Devi Lal Ji who lost four elections from Rohtak. I can not think of any political combination which Chautala Ji can create and then become CM.

RK^2

rk uncle ji........u too tell me tht ny combination with which Mr. Hooda became C.M..........?????

Hooda saab ka luck acha thaa arr kimmee mhara bhii hogaa ,, akk jaat CM bann gyaa.........nahii te BHAJNU KAANA ferr ghummaa dentaa lathh saa.......

this game is not same all the time............KALL BAAJI UDHAR TO AAJ IDHAR..

AAP EK BAAT AUR BATA DYOO NEYY.............AKK HOODA SAAB NEY KITNI CONSTITUENCY CM SAVIKAAR KAR RII THII...???

AGAR THE MAATA OF KANGRESS SHONIA , EK CANDIDATE NE PAKKA KAR DETII AKK YOO CM BANEGAA.....TE BURA HAAL HO JAANTA ISS PARTY KA BHII.......

BHAJAN LAAL NEEY JITWAA DII PAARTY ELECTION ARR BAGA DIYAA BAHAR KAANGRESS NEYY...........KE PAARTY SAII YAA..........????????

KAANGRESS NEE NON JATS VOTES EE TE JITAATI RAHI HAIN AAJ TAAII.........IBB MAIN TE ISSEE BAAT MAIN RAAJI SUN AKK SUSREE YE CHANDIGARH AR PANCHKULA KEE KHATRI PATRI MUKHARJEE APNNEE BILLAN MAIN BADD REE SAIN..............THAADO ROWWANN LAAG REE SAIN...........MOJJ HO RII SAI APNI TE YAA EE BAAT DEKH KEY.......

PAR CHAUTALA SAAB KAA WAPAS AANA ZALDI HI TYAA HO JAAEGAA..........4 SAAL KI BAAT NAA DEKHAA KAREE PUBLIC........CHALO DEKHTE HAIN......:cool:

[chhillar]

Umeed pe dunia tiki he...

[keshavdahiya]

bhai mental level (as per u say) te chotta sei pher bhi try karunga kutch likhann ki. bhai aankh mund ke kisse ke patche na pada karte chaahe koi bhi party ya politician ho, choutala ne isha ke kaam ker diya jo tum aandhe ho re sho uske patche. haryana ka naash karann te shiwa kutch bhi na kara. ar ebbe te congress ki Govt. aai sei, dekho 4 saal baad tak ke ke howe ya nahi, tab dekhi ja gi. sabse bada kaam te eb tahin yu hoya sei ke haryana mein te corruption khatam honn lagrya sei chaahe JBT admission ki baat le lo chaahe aanganwaadi selection ki le lo sab kutch merit base pe hoya sei, ishte bada improvement ke ho sake sei. ar eb POlice ki bharati mein bera patt ja gya sab kutch paani ka paani ho jya ga.

padhe likhe ho ke bhi na samajhte ki choutala ne sirf gher bharann ke shiwa kutch bhi na kara. eb te patche aash chod do uski .Mental level thaara.........:confused:



Consider again and again the following:
the right time, the right friends, the right place, the right means of income, the right ways of spending, and from whom you derive your power - Chankya Muni

HMMMMMMM NDIIIIIIIIIII

[ratheetheraist]

HHHMMMM NDIIIII

HHMMMMM NDIIIIIII

[ratheetheraist]

bhai mental level (as per u say) te chotta sei pher bhi try karunga kutch likhann ki. bhai aankh mund ke kisse ke patche na pada karte chaahe koi bhi party ya politician ho, choutala ne isha ke kaam ker diya jo tum aandhe ho re sho uske patche. haryana ka naash karann te shiwa kutch bhi na kara. ar ebbe te congress ki Govt. aai sei, dekho 4 saal baad tak ke ke howe ya nahi, tab dekhi ja gi. sabse bada kaam te eb tahin yu hoya sei ke haryana mein te corruption khatam honn lagrya sei chaahe JBT admission ki baat le lo chaahe aanganwaadi selection ki le lo sab kutch merit base pe hoya sei, ishte bada improvement ke ho sake sei. ar eb POlice ki bharati mein bera patt ja gya sab kutch paani ka paani ho jya ga.

padhe likhe ho ke bhi na samajhte ki choutala ne sirf gher bharann ke shiwa kutch bhi na kara. eb te patche aash chod do uski .Mental level thaara.........:confused:


the right time, the right friends, the right place, the right means of income, the right ways of spending, and from whom you derive your power

HHMMMM NDIIIII

[dahiyarules]

Chautala Ji
RK^2

RK Sir!

Ye " Ji-Ji" kya laga rakhi hai. Chor hai sala. Hazaaron Crore hadap gaya. Aap jaise padhe likhe buzurg log aise galat raasta dikhate huye shobha nahin dete.

If we find a pickpocket in a bus or a train, we beat the "jesus" out of him. On the top of that we hand him over at a police station, where he goes through further "moulding."

Yahan sari janta ho chuna lagaa gaya. Kisaan "musse" maaran ki goli khaa ka maran laag rhe sain. Hade iske Hotelan main randi-khane khulle huye hain.

Besharmi aur na-insaafi ki hadd ho gayii......

By now, pretty much every sane person should have realized why I despise politics so much.

[rkumar]

RK Sir!

Ye " Ji-Ji" kya laga rakhi hai. Chor hai sala. Hazaaron Crore hadap gaya. Aap jaise padhe likhe buzurg log aise galat raasta dikhate huye shobha nahin dete.

.....

I don't prescribe to this approach Sumit. Let court decide his fate for all his deeds/ misdeeds. Whatever might be his crimes, we have no right to use inappropriate language on a public forum like here. One is certainly entitled for any type of words in private.

RK^2

[rkumar]

rk uncle ji........u too tell me tht ny combination with which Mr. Hooda became C.M..........?????

Hooda saab ka luck acha thaa arr kimmee mhara bhii hogaa ,, akk jaat CM bann gyaa.........nahii te BHAJNU KAANA ferr ghummaa dentaa lathh saa.......

this game is not same all the time............KALL BAAJI UDHAR TO AAJ IDHAR..

AAP EK BAAT AUR BATA DYOO NEYY.............AKK HOODA SAAB NEY KITNI CONSTITUENCY CM SAVIKAAR KAR RII THII...???

AGAR THE MAATA OF KANGRESS SHONIA , EK CANDIDATE NE PAKKA KAR DETII AKK YOO CM BANEGAA.....TE BURA HAAL HO JAANTA ISS PARTY KA BHII.......

BHAJAN LAAL NEEY JITWAA DII PAARTY ELECTION ARR BAGA DIYAA BAHAR KAANGRESS NEYY...........KE PAARTY SAII YAA..........????????

KAANGRESS NEE NON JATS VOTES EE TE JITAATI RAHI HAIN AAJ TAAII.........IBB MAIN TE ISSEE BAAT MAIN RAAJI SUN AKK SUSREE YE CHANDIGARH AR PANCHKULA KEE KHATRI PATRI MUKHARJEE APNNEE BILLAN MAIN BADD REE SAIN..............THAADO ROWWANN LAAG REE SAIN...........MOJJ HO RII SAI APNI TE YAA EE BAAT DEKH KEY.......

PAR CHAUTALA SAAB KAA WAPAS AANA ZALDI HI TYAA HO JAAEGAA..........4 SAAL KI BAAT NAA DEKHAA KAREE PUBLIC........CHALO DEKHTE HAIN......:cool:

Hi Vikas,

Politics has become too complicated a game. Its changing far too faster than what even hard core politicians can think and understand. Strange permutations/ combinations take place and grab power. The very BJP which had been opposing Akali Dal and National Confrenece, shared power with them. Chautala Sahab also joined hands with BJP to share power. Let us forget about moral in politics as no party can claim to be having that virtue. Politics is becoming like mining or collecting water in desert where every drop matters. This is why smaller parties are having more premium and can bargain for ministerial bearths. Jats votes will always remain divided in Haryana, come what may. This leaves others to swing the fortune of politics. Its very unlikely that BJP will support Chautala unless there is strong wave in his favour. BJP will try its best to emerge as single party, though the chances of its gaining power are very small as far as I can see. peope like Mayawati hardly have any base in Haryana. Only party which cuts across all sections of Haryana at the moment or even in near future, is congress. Chautala Sahab has either very strong supporters or opponents. This is not so with congress. Unless Chautala Sahab comes with very innovative tricks, chances of his coming in power are very bleak in my view. Even cunning leaders like Advani, Vinay Katiyar are failing badly. Politics of winning elections by default is fading very fast lately. Winning elections and running government are becoming separate compartments in today's politics. Another new trend has emerged during last few years where Rajya Sabha seats are now almost on auction for the highest bidders. No wonder people like Vijay Mallya, Ambani etc are taking that path. Time is not too far when almost 70% Rajya Sabha seats will be via this root.

RK^2

[chhillar]

Its very unlikely that BJP will support Chautala unless there is strong wave in his favour. BJP will try its best to emerge as single party
RK^2

BJP ke kuchh rich leaders te paise aitahn ke chakkar mein tha bhai saab...Delhi bula ke Chautala itna karda dhamkaya tha Advani ne...

[nd-chora]

ND panne pe koye saq..........:eek:

HHMMMM KATI ND

the right time, the right friends, the right place, the right means of income, the right ways of spending, and from whom you derive your power

HHMMMM NDIIIII

[nd-chora]

RE DHANAK SA TU KE THREAD SURU KAREGA AR KE MERA LEVEL MAPEGA, TU AAPNI BHADAK KAAD LE NE JO TERE MAN MEIN HO PHER DEKHUNGA KITANI EK PUBLIC LERA HEI TU AAPNI GELLAN.........kootru:confused:
hahaha.............bhai saab saachi baat katii sahii NISAANEY peyy laagii katii...........ibb kimmee uthaa upar u level aapkaa...thank god ,, oh myyy:eek::p:cool:

ibb aapke mental level kii bhi ek thread kadun ke naii........arr jinn baataan te aapka level bera paate saii we bhii likhun ke saath main........main te makhaa kyun bolla public main baddee bhai saab sain.......chalo jaisi aapki marjii......je shuru kar dii naa thread........aap bhi apni vote NEGETIVE PE dee kee aaogey........issii baat aawenn sain aapney........aur main ke kahun ibb........ye jatlanders gawah e hain aagey......:cool:

arr hum te padh likh liyee..........arr apna netaa dhundann taain humney kisse ki salah ki jarut koni.....hum te chaal padeyy hain ibb......arr aagey raam raah dikhawegaa......:cool:

[yashmalik]

I HAVE PITY OVER THE PEOPLE WHO THINK CHOTALA SHOULD COME BACK AND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK CHOTALA WAS/IS A GOOD NETA.


These people are living in a big illusion. They dont know the truth, and simply they dont wanna know the truth. Chotala is the most currupted man India has ever produced, the 1500 cr. assets caught are only worth a preview, the whole trailor is yet to expose.
His vast properties in Australia and NZ are yet to be nabbed, his foreign accounts holding millions of US$ are yet to be sealed, his biggest kaands (from Teacher selection scam to Sonepat's 24 village massacare) are yet to be disclosed. And if someone thinks how do i know all these things, then again i'll have pity over him for being in the Dark even now. :mad:

These pro-chotala people wont find a place to hide their face when they'll come to know how many blunders he has given to Haryana.

Er siddhi si baat kahu bhai, is dedh ne Haryana 20 saal pachhe la ke phek diya. Er jitney dukh is kameen ne logga te diye, uska badla logga ne iski kursi chheen ke liya. Er agar yu itna badiya manas honda to kyaan te iski kursi chhinti er kyaan te yu itni bhundi dhaal electiona me haarta.

[rameshlakra]

Why cant jatlanders make a party and come to power. We have solid 4 years to plan that out and execute.
Moreover,We will be open to political tie-up with any party?
well i am serious, give it a thought.

[keshavdahiya]

ND panne pe koye saq..........:eek:

HHMMMM KATI ND


Consider again and again the following:
the right time, the right friends, the right place, the right means of income, the right ways of spending, and from whom you derive your power - Chankya Muni

HMMMMMMM GAHNAAAA NDIIIIIIIIIII

[dahiyarules]

I don't prescribe to this approach Sumit. Let court decide his fate for all his deeds/ misdeeds. Whatever might be his crimes, we have no right to use inappropriate language on a public forum like here. One is certainly entitled for any type of words in private.

RK^2

Kalkhande Sir!

Courts decided in the Jessical Lal case also. And this is one case that got limelight, and I can mention it to make my point. Do I need to tell you how many other "Jessica Lal's" were denied justice?

There is a backlog of several decades of courts cases in India's legal system.

On the top of that, who can overlook a Politician's might and control. No one knows till date what happened in the Bofor's case. To top it up, everyone known about PV Narsimha Rao's landgrabbing in AP. To add insult to Injury, people deify Sonia Gandhi and none other than the Congress is in power.

The legal system in India is in shambles. And you want the same legal system to try a leader like Chautala.

When I think of Haryana, the face of a poor hardworking farmer shows up in my heart. I remember an incident from my childhood. My Nanaji and I visited this really poor family. The guy had 4 children (one died later on), and one buffalo. It was summer season. Most cows and buffalos do not lactate around that time of the year. Everytime I would visit this family, this gentleman would always get me a glass of warm milk. I do not know how he managed it that day, but from somewhere, he did get me a warm glass of milk. I remember his children's dry lips. God knows when they had some milk last time. But, I was treated the same way with all due love and respect, as I always was.

This was a verbal carricature of an average hardworking farmer from Haryana.

I understand that you have a very good job in the UK, and you have all the good things in life. Back in India people may not have the means to take their loved ones to the nearest hospital, when they are sick, but I am sure you do not have a problem hopping on a flight and flying back home to attend some "All India Jat Conference." Probably your good fortune has made you immune and desensitized towards the agony and suffering of our poor farmers.

That is why you do not refrain from addressing a thug as "Ji," and make life easier for him by letting a "failed legal system" decide his fate.

Government has let us down. We the middle class find our way out of our myseries. But a poor farmer has to live with his fate. When corrupt leaders fill their pockets beyond their seams, it affects us the least. The worst affected is the poor farmer whose cause we have abandoned for good.

It is agonizing to hear people sing fables of Chautala's might. The fact is that all evil and might are humbled on the judgement day. The allied forces did not even have to put a gun on Hitler's head to get rid of him. He did the job for himself and saved them us the embarassment. I really do not give a rat's a** about Chautala's might. he might humble me. But what would he do when his judgement day comes. Then all his might and power won't be of any use for him. No one can humble eventuality.

There is something seriously wrong when we fear our elected representatives. Gone are the days of Kings and Queens. We supposedly live in a society where everyone is equal. So what is the fear for?

Aap jaise buzurg log awaaz nahin uthayenge to hum bacchon ka honslaa kon badhayega?

Rahi baat prostitution ki. Accpet it. It is reality. They exist because "we men" cannot control our carnal desires. They wont have existed, had men never needed them.

Why all the disparagement for a prostitute? Atleast she works and survives off her own blod and flesh. She doesnt live as a parasite in our society, like Chautala and others.

Then why all the respect for Chautala and all the disdain for a poor prostitute?

Remember that prostitutes do not fall out of the sky. They come from among us. The are born as someones daughter too. But, "we men" make prostitutes out of them.

[devdahiya]

Kalkhande Sir!

Courts decided in the Jessical Lal case also. And this is one case that got limelight, and I can mention it to make my point. Do I need to tell you how many other "Jessica Lal's" were denied justice?

There is a backlog of several decades of courts cases in India's legal system.

On the top of that, who can overlook a Politician's might and control. No one knows till date what happened in the Bofor's case. To top it up, everyone known about PV Narsimha Rao's landgrabbing in AP. To add insult to Injury, people deify Sonia Gandhi and none other than the Congress is in power.

The legal system in India is in shambles. And you want the same legal system to try a leader like Chautala.

When I think of Haryana, the face of a poor hardworking farmer shows up in my heart. I remember an incident from my childhood. My Nanaji and I visited this really poor family. The guy had 4 children (one died later on), and one buffalo. It was summer season. Most cows and buffalos do not lactate around that time of the year. Everytime I would visit this family, this gentleman would always get me a glass of warm milk. I do not know how he managed it that day, but from somewhere, he did get me a warm glass of milk. I remember his children's dry lips. God knows when they had some milk last time. But, I was treated the same way with all due love and respect, as I always was.

This was a verbal carricature of an average hardworking farmer from Haryana.

I understand that you have a very good job in the UK, and you have all the good things in life. Back in India people may not have the means to take their loved ones to the nearest hospital, when they are sick, but I am sure you do not have a problem hopping on a flight and flying back home to attend some "All India Jat Conference." Probably your good fortune has made you immune and desensitized towards the agony and suffering of our poor farmers.

That is why you do not refrain from addressing a thug as "Ji," and make life easier for him by letting a "failed legal system" decide his fate.

Government has let us down. We the middle class find our way out of our myseries. But a poor farmer has to live with his fate. When corrupt leaders fill their pockets beyond their seams, it affects us the least. The worst affected is the poor farmer whose cause we have abandoned for good.

It is agonizing to hear people sing fables of Chautala's might. The fact is that all evil and might are humbled on the judgement day. The allied forces did not even have to put a gun on Hitler's head to get rid of him. He did the job for himself and saved them us the embarassment. I really do not give a rat's a** about Chautala's might. he might humble me. But what would he do when his judgement day comes. Then all his might and power won't be of any use for him. No one can humble eventuality.

There is something seriously wrong when we fear our elected representatives. Gone are the days of Kings and Queens. We supposedly live in a society where everyone is equal. So what is the fear for?

Aap jaise buzurg log awaaz nahin uthayenge to hum bacchon ka honslaa kon badhayega?

Rahi baat prostitution ki. Accpet it. It is reality. They exist because "we men" cannot control our carnal desires. They wont have existed, had men never needed them.

Why all the disparagement for a prostitute? Atleast she works and survives off her own blod and flesh. She doesnt live as a parasite in our society, like Chautala and others.

Then why all the respect for Chautala and all the disdain for a poor prostitute?

Remember that prostitutes do not fall out of the sky. They come from among us. The are born as someones daughter too. But, "we men" make prostitutes out of them.




How so true....word by word.Great philosophy this.I admire that and every concern of this kind you carry in your heart.Keep the spirits high Sumit! It will be almost imposible for anybody to disagree with the logical points you made.....yes for the heck of it YES.....in that case who bothers?

[rohittewatia]

Choutala tey bhi Hosiyaar toh usaka Vakil hai jisne usaki jatland per vaakalat karne kah theka ley raakha hai...:D

Joh agaar yoh choutala power maiin aah gaaya toh,....swami bhakti dikhane kah mouka mil jayega aur gaawah hoyega Jatland....

Haa haaaa...what a brilliant idea aur aik adha kaam bhi nikal jayega....voh bhi bina paisa lagaaye....

Haaa haaa...

[dahiyarules]

Choutala tey bhi Hosiyaar toh usaka Vakil hai jisne usaki jatland per vaakalat karne kah theka ley raakha hai...:D

Joh agaar yoh choutala power maiin aah gaaya toh,....swami bhakti dikhane kah mouka mil jayega aur gaawah hoyega Jatland....

Haa haaaa...what a brilliant idea aur aik adha kaam bhi nikal jayega....voh bhi bina paisa lagaaye....

Haaa haaa...

I do not not know whose Chautala's vakeel.

But one thing is for sure. Politicians are the prostitutes who sell for just anything from mere pennies to millions of dollars. And advocates are the pimps who have sold off our country via a cabal of corrupt despots.

[crsnadar]

I have not seen even a single person who like Fm CM O P Chautala.
I think only his family members or party members like him.
May be few among them even.
So definitely there is something wrong with Fm CM O P Chautala.
He has to change himself in wright direction & to use his power/money for good cause.
We as JAT hope for his upcoming steps for good cause.
At last being a JAT he deserve our sympathy, but very less chance that he will change.
Bye

[ratheetheraist]

baddaa dhayaan laa ryaa saii mere peyy ULLUU hee......vvkalat te hum nuee karte rehwengee jaanyaa.......arr terree nuee AAGG LAAGTII REHWEGII........yee daandaa aalee smillii kyun bannawe saii jibb bhittar jallan laag ryaa teraa............:eek:

gawahh kii jaruut hummnee naa saii koii jaanyyaa pilluuree......hum jiss odd nee khadee saan naa khaadeyy sain.......ibb konii paallaa badllee uu appnaa....arr kee kaam karwaann ki baat karee saii tuu........kaam te humm unnkee a jaan waa ee baddii baat hogii mhaare taai........:cool:

arr tuu kee nyaare no banaawee saii aadey chautala saab ke baare main bhundaa boll kee........kee tuu HOODA SAAB ki kothi pee jaaweegaa ibb LAPTOP THAA KEE............AKK JEE SAAABB MERAA UU KAAMM KARRIYOO ,,, DEKHOO MANNEE CHAUTALA TAAI GAALL BAKK RAAKHI SAIN EK SITE PEE..........ARR DEKHOO INN SUBMMEE MAIN SABMMEE BHUNDAA BOLLANIYAA THAA.......ARR UPAR TE MERII SHAKAL BHII DEKHH LYOO......:eek::eek:


katii faduu sochh sai terii..............aurr bhii kimee ho bhitarr main uggall liyee....mokka padaa sai.............aayaa saii kaamm karwaann aallaa dekhaa ee naa...........arr we bhii binaa pissaa......

tere jissee dimmaakk ki upajj aalee rojj feettyaa kareenn aadeyy chaalte firteey..........unkaa koi aim nahi hoyaa karee buss muhh maarann ki aadatt hoyaa karee........jissii gaam main ekk CHHAAMCHIDII HII LUGAAII nahi hoyaa karee........kimmee kaam nahi aarr bhundii bolnii............waa saii tuu

ARR KISSE KII SHAKAL AACHH NAA HOO TEE BAAT TEE AACHII KARNI AANII CHHAAIYEE

[dahiyarules]

ARR KISSE KII SHAKAL AACHH NAA HOO TEE BAAT TEE AACHII KARNI AANII CHHAAIYEE

Bhai Rathee. Koye galti ho gayi ho tay maaf karde bhai. hehehe.....

Mera ek Andhra ka yaar hai. Ghana-e bhundaa hai.Main yaa baat usne kahya karrun....jib tay haassi mandi koni hoti....


Neways. Enjoying some hindi music for the moment. Enough "sar-khapayi" for a day.

Take a chill pill yaar.

[downtoearth]

ARR KISSE KII SHAKAL AACHH NAA HOO TEE BAAT TEE AACHII KARNI AANII CHHAAIYEE haahahah,,, arey oo khapeter raathi,,,,,,,,, to ss rohitey ki fottu badalwawega nu keh keh key,,,,,,,,,,, yu suthri baat bhi koni kaarey aur footu bhi badal dega ,,,,,,,,,,,,,:D :p ,,,,,,,,, manney iissey issey balak yaad aawein jabb to main aapna joke "GAADIYAAN ka shauk" paddh liya karu,,,,,,,,, hehe khi khi khi,,,,,,,,,,:D ,,,,,,,,, oo tewetieye kyu baanga hoo rahya sey katti,,,,,,,,,, tu chautala aali thread ke alawaa aur kittey kuch naa likhan jaanda key ????:rolleyes: :eek: ,,,,,,,,,, aur kittey bhi likh le kimmey,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nu karr jatoon key muskurattey chehrey mein aaja ,,,,,,,, ureey dekhaangey teri presence of mind:D :p ,, aur teraa point maraan ka tarrika,,,,,,,,,,,.////////////:mad: :mad:

[rkumar]

Kalkhande Sir!

Courts decided in the Jessical Lal case also. And this is one case that got limelight, and I can mention it to make my point. Do I need to tell you how many other "Jessica Lal's" were denied justice?

There is a backlog of several decades of courts cases in India's legal system.

On the top of that, who can overlook a Politician's might and control. No one knows till date what happened in the Bofor's case. To top it up, everyone known about PV Narsimha Rao's landgrabbing in AP. To add insult to Injury, people deify Sonia Gandhi and none other than the Congress is in power.

The legal system in India is in shambles. And you want the same legal system to try a leader like Chautala.

When I think of Haryana, the face of a poor hardworking farmer shows up in my heart. I remember an incident from my childhood. My Nanaji and I visited this really poor family. The guy had 4 children (one died later on), and one buffalo. It was summer season. Most cows and buffalos do not lactate around that time of the year. Everytime I would visit this family, this gentleman would always get me a glass of warm milk. I do not know how he managed it that day, but from somewhere, he did get me a warm glass of milk. I remember his children's dry lips. God knows when they had some milk last time. But, I was treated the same way with all due love and respect, as I always was.

This was a verbal carricature of an average hardworking farmer from Haryana.

I understand that you have a very good job in the UK, and you have all the good things in life. Back in India people may not have the means to take their loved ones to the nearest hospital, when they are sick, but I am sure you do not have a problem hopping on a flight and flying back home to attend some "All India Jat Conference." Probably your good fortune has made you immune and desensitized towards the agony and suffering of our poor farmers.

That is why you do not refrain from addressing a thug as "Ji," and make life easier for him by letting a "failed legal system" decide his fate.

Government has let us down. We the middle class find our way out of our myseries. But a poor farmer has to live with his fate. When corrupt leaders fill their pockets beyond their seams, it affects us the least. The worst affected is the poor farmer whose cause we have abandoned for good.

It is agonizing to hear people sing fables of Chautala's might. The fact is that all evil and might are humbled on the judgement day. The allied forces did not even have to put a gun on Hitler's head to get rid of him. He did the job for himself and saved them us the embarassment. I really do not give a rat's a** about Chautala's might. he might humble me. But what would he do when his judgement day comes. Then all his might and power won't be of any use for him. No one can humble eventuality.

There is something seriously wrong when we fear our elected representatives. Gone are the days of Kings and Queens. We supposedly live in a society where everyone is equal. So what is the fear for?

Aap jaise buzurg log awaaz nahin uthayenge to hum bacchon ka honslaa kon badhayega?

.

Don't know where to begin and where to end on your comments. First of all, I don't agree at all with your views as you have no clue about me and my comforatble job. Your words can not be taken as an indicator of your sensitivity to the cause of farmers as your actions don't say so. Now few clarifications about me and my lack of sensitivity;

1. I have spent 90% of my life in India and 50% in my village till date. I wonder what the corresponding figures for you have been?

2. I have invested atleast 50% of my earnings in my village. Let us see how much you will be doing for you village.

3. I left UK and moved over to India when I was just 23 and spent good 25 years there. I had all the options of settling in UK or USA even at that time. I am moving again full time by end of July and will be spending good 5 days per week in my village among farmers. Wish you join me under a tree some day in the middle of the heat of June and see how much you can do..

To me your words are empty till you match them with actions on the ground. Raising voice on Jatland is easier than on the ground. Wish you see me some day in real how voice is raised on ground... I hope this should be enough on Jatland..rest on ground when we meet...

RK^2

[rohittewatia]

Bhai rathee merre tey mistake hoh gaayi...

Never argue with an idiot. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

[nd-chora]

Never argue with an idiot........ rohit bhai u r absolutly right.....fully agree.

Bhai rathee merre tey mistake hoh gaayi...

Never argue with an idiot. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

[ratheetheraist]

Never argue with an idiot........ rohit bhai u r absolutly right.....fully agree.


tewatia bhai ki gellyan difference of opinion to haii....chaloo koi baat naa........arr ek aadhi baar galat baat bhi likhi jaya karen.........koi baat naa unneee bhi likh dii.....koi dikkaatt koni......;)

parr tuu HAND PUMP heyy..........tu kyaa naam kaa agree hoyaa haandeeyy saii.......????:confused::eek:

HHHMMMMMMMMMMM NDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[dahiyarules]

1. I have spent 90% of my life in India and 50% in my village till date. I wonder what the corresponding figures for you have been?

2. I have invested atleast 50% of my earnings in my village. Let us see how much you will be doing for you village.

3. I left UK and moved over to India when I was just 23 and spent good 25 years there. I had all the options of settling in UK or USA even at that time. I am moving again full time by end of July and will be spending good 5 days per week in my village among farmers. Wish you join me under a tree some day in the middle of the heat of June and see how much you can do..

To me your words are empty till you match them with actions on the ground. Raising voice on Jatland is easier than on the ground. Wish you see me some day in real how voice is raised on ground... I hope this should be enough on Jatland..rest on ground when we meet...

RK^2


Maybe you have good intetions. But the execution of your intentions is leading nowhere.

People live 100% of their lives in the village and are as useless as a bottle of salt.

You really cannot claim empathy to be on your side when you address "corrupt" leaders with "ji."

Even though I respect you for a lot of things, but you "brown-nosing" the politicians just does not go down too well with me. I apologize in advance for the harsh word. But reality is unavoidably harsh.

I really do not think that I need to live in a village or throw money around to improve anything.

Rasing their voice against corruption and bad administration is more than every citizens fair share of contribution to their society. Corruption happens becuase we have developed immunity for it. We let it happen. We continue to give our leaders one chance after another, endlessly in sequence with their blunders.

And then on the top of it we call them "Ji." Next time you trave in a DTC and they catch a pickpocket, eat your words and call him "Pickpocket Ji." Calling leaders like Chautala as "Chautala ji" would be several thousand times worse than that.

My logic says that people invest money where they can expect a return. No one just throws their money around for no apparent reason. Return could be "non-monetary" and aceptable.

I had rather stick to my advocacy of free markets and let others follow the cause. That surely will give a reason to entreprenuers to invest money in Haryana.

Money comes from out of our state, while it would create employment within our state. Could it be any better?

I just totally disagree with you that we can find a solution for our myseries in our current form of leadership. Times have changed. We need to move on. It is high time that we start being honest to ourselves.

lets just begin by behing honest about what we really feel about our leaders instead of kissing them up. We the middle class excape their wrath. But there are millions others who rely on our leadership for their everyday lives.

Let us stop betraying those in need.

[rkumar]

[QUOTE=dahiyarules]Maybe you have good intetions. But the execution of your intentions is leading nowhere.

People live 100% of their lives in the village and are as useless as a bottle of salt.

RK^2: Do you think your so called good intentions are leading anywhere ? Is your life in USA any better than the so called useless bottle of salt for the villagers of India?

You really cannot claim empathy to be on your side when you address "corrupt" leaders with "ji."

RK^2: Do you think by abusing some one you can change him/ her and that too on internet where one is not reading what we are writing? Will you dare to abuse any of these so called corrupt leaders on their face? Why don't you set an example of your bravery in public by your actions rather than giving high sounding moralistic lectures.

Even though I respect you for a lot of things, but you "brown-nosing" the politicians just does not go down too well with me. I apologize in advance for the harsh word. But reality is unavoidably harsh.

RK^2: Reality is universal and not just for me. I hope your eyes also see some reality. I want to see some real action from your side in dealing with these so called corrupt politicians and not just lectures on internet. Visit India and say all this in a public meeting in front of the house of any such politician.

I really do not think that I need to live in a village or throw money around to improve anything.

RK^2: In that case stop giving lectures. Don't shed these crocodile tears for villagers if you can not live with them.

Rasing their voice against corruption and bad administration is more than every citizens fair share of contribution to their society. Corruption happens becuase we have developed immunity for it. We let it happen. We continue to give our leaders one chance after another, endlessly in sequence with their blunders.

RK^2: If lung power is the only think you think can solve all problems, Good luck to you and all those who agree with your approach.


My logic says that people invest money where they can expect a return. No one just throws their money around for no apparent reason. Return could be "non-monetary" and aceptable.

RK^2: Your logic is not the final word. We all have our own logics in life.

I just totally disagree with you that we can find a solution for our myseries in our current form of leadership. Times have changed. We need to move on. It is high time that we start being honest to ourselves.

RK^2: Agreed. However I find no honesty in your actions as they don't match your words. Beating drums sitting far away can not be called honest action.

[birbal]

Wish you join me under a tree some day in the middle of the heat of June ..

RK^2


Rajendraji,

To divert and lighten up this not so interesting topic for me, I can say that sitting under a good Neem tree playing Chaupar (the game of dice played since Mahabharta) during the hot month of June (just before the arrival of Monsoon), is one of the few good memories I have from the tough old days.

[prashantacmet]

bohat chokhha bhai ROHIT........ tu bhi level naapan laag gya ke....... level naapan pai to yha pehle hi bhateri JUTTPATRAM holli..... tu to madak si dheel kar leta bhai...................
Bhai rathee merre tey mistake hoh gaayi...

Never argue with an idiot. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

[gauravgg]

Let me introduced myself as the son of Prof. Sampat Singh, who happens to be a 5 time MLA, 2 term minister, 1 time leader of opposition. I did my BBA, and MBA from the US, and currently working with an NGO, Indian Council for Youth and development.

Its too early of a question. Neutrally if I see the overall performance of the INLD (Chautala) Government then I would say that they did what no other government did in the past. I rememember that I visited the chautal village in 1991, and the entire village had cemented roads. The question that struck me was when would my or other villages would have such roads. When the INLD government came to power, and we were the second in the cabinet. With the government CC (cemented) roads came to exist in most villages. My constituency is Bhattu Kalan, and we were the second in the cabinet. We have 52 villgaes, and believe it or not that 90% of the villages have cemented roads. All 52 villages have waterworks, and work to provide water pipelines in 5 villages to the dhanis (farm houses) was done. More than 50% of the farmhouses were provided with electricity under the MPLAD scheme provided by MPs Ajay Singh, Sumitra Mahajan, and Sushil Indora. "Badopal" is a village on the NH, and no matter what happened in the country, the village never had a power breakdown. We provided permanent government jobs to more than 800 people (from 1987 the total job provided in this constituency by us is around 5,000). Our constituency falls under three police stations. 99% of criminal and civil cases were taken care of at the panchayati level. 90% of the jodh (ponds) of villages were given brick walls. Every village has en elderly home (Vridh Ashram). Two minors were established covery more than 1000 acres. All mini minors (khala) were remodelled and were done 9inch from 4 inch providing more water.

Yet we lost by 10,000 votes. For Cemented roads people said "isme kya sir phode". Only 10% of the 800 employments we gave casted teir votes to us. A known person of a village had 80 acres completey "banjar" of a value Rs 50,000. We started and finished the work of a minor crossing his land, and with availablity of water his land cost went to Rs 400,000 per acres, he was the first one to run away from us saying that we din't give his nephew a job. A lot of people demanded "pillay card" (yellow cards for people BPL) and blamed us for not providing to them, but they didn't have the slighest of the knowledge that those cards were issued only with the schemes of the central government who conducted surveys on timed basis. These are just a few of the examples.

For elections we went to people thinking we did the best any MLA could do for them, but we came out as sinners. I would like to ask you with so much of pain and interest we did so much, but with the result would we able to take the same pain we did before especially when people have "avsarvaadi soch". People whom we gave jobs had more interests in the transfers which the expected government could provide, sarpanch had more interest in grant so they could get commissions, etc.

There are talks of corruption that the Chautala government took part in, which I don't want to go deep in. Since the government depends of its MLAs to prove majority, I just highlighted about what we did for people and what we got in return. The memories are short lived, and people tend to forget those who hurt them. Its all "wave" game. Its not about voting Chautala in the next term, it will be about voting out Congress. Thats what happened with Badal. People wanted to take him out, so congress got the votes.

[prashantacmet]

oooooo bhai Gaurav eibb khul jaange inke Deede............ na to nuoey kehte haande..... "CHAUTALA ne naas kar diya" arre Sunn lo........ issa ho ke NAAS........ jissa BHAI GAURAV ne bataya.............. issa NAAS to HAAM bhi chahwe mharre GAAM bhi hojja........................
Let me introduced myself as the son of Prof. Sampat Singh, who happens to be a 5 time MLA, 2 term minister, 1 time leader of opposition. I did my BBA, and MBA from the US, and currently working with an NGO, Indian Council for Youth and development.

Its too early of a question. Neutrally if I see the overall performance of the INLD (Chautala) Government then I would say that they did what no other government did in the past. I rememember that I visited the chautal village in 1991, and the entire village had cemented roads. The question that struck me was when would my or other villages would have such roads. When the INLD government came to power, and we were the second in the cabinet. With the government CC (cemented) roads came to exist in most villages. My constituency is Bhattu Kalan, and we were the second in the cabinet. We have 52 villgaes, and believe it or not that 90% of the villages have cemented roads. All 52 villages have waterworks, and work to provide water pipelines in 5 villages to the dhanis (farm houses) was done. More than 50% of the farmhouses were provided with electricity under the MPLAD scheme provided by MPs Ajay Singh, Sumitra Mahajan, and Sushil Indora. "Badopal" is a village on the NH, and no matter what happened in the country, the village never had a power breakdown. We provided permanent government jobs to more than 800 people (from 1987 the total job provided in this constituency by us is around 5,000). Our constituency falls under three police stations. 99% of criminal and civil cases were taken care of at the panchayati level. 90% of the jodh (ponds) of villages were given brick walls. Every village has en elderly home (Vridh Ashram). Two minors were established covery more than 1000 acres. All mini minors (khala) were remodelled and were done 9inch from 4 inch providing more water.

Yet we lost by 10,000 votes. For Cemented roads people said "isme kya sir phode". Only 10% of the 800 employments we gave casted teir votes to us. A known person of a village had 80 acres completey "banjar" of a value Rs 50,000. We started and finished the work of a minor crossing his land, and with availablity of water his land cost went to Rs 400,000 per acres, he was the first one to run away from us saying that we din't give his nephew a job. A lot of people demanded "pillay card" (yellow cards for people BPL) and blamed us for not providing to them, but they didn't have the slighest of the knowledge that those cards were issued only with the schemes of the central government who conducted surveys on timed basis. These are just a few of the examples.

For elections we went to people thinking we did the best any MLA could do for them, but we came out as sinners. I would like to ask you with so much of pain and interest we did so much, but with the result would we able to take the same pain we did before especially when people have "avsarvaadi soch". People whom we gave jobs had more interests in the transfers which the expected government could provide, sarpanch had more interest in grant so they could get commissions, etc.

There are talks of corruption that the Chautala government took part in, which I don't want to go deep in. Since the government depends of its MLAs to prove majority, I just highlighted about what we did for people and what we got in return. The memories are short lived, and people tend to forget those who hurt them. Its all "wave" game. Its not about voting Chautala in the next term, it will be about voting out Congress. Thats what happened with Badal. People wanted to take him out, so congress got the votes.

[desijat]

Politicians are just like Wives ...... Neither you can live with them, nor you can live without them(Original)

[ratheetheraist]

oooooo bhai Gaurav eibb khul jaange inke Deede............ na to nuoey kehte haande..... "CHAUTALA ne naas kar diya" arre Sunn lo........ issa ho ke NAAS........ jissa BHAI GAURAV ne bataya.............. issa NAAS to HAAM bhi chahwe mharre GAAM bhi hojja........................

hey parshantey............

THEEK KAHI AAPNEY

[rkumar]

Let me introduced myself as the son of Prof. Sampat Singh, who happens to be a 5 time MLA, 2 term minister, 1 time leader of opposition. I did my BBA, and MBA from the US, and currently working with an NGO, Indian Council for Youth and development.

Its too early of a question. Neutrally if I see the overall performance of the INLD (Chautala) Government then I would say that they did what no other government did in the past. I rememember that I visited the chautal village in 1991, and the entire village had cemented roads. The question that struck me was when would my or other villages would have such roads. When the INLD government came to power, and we were the second in the cabinet. With the government CC (cemented) roads came to exist in most villages. My constituency is Bhattu Kalan, and we were the second in the cabinet. We have 52 villgaes, and believe it or not that 90% of the villages have cemented roads. All 52 villages have waterworks, and work to provide water pipelines in 5 villages to the dhanis (farm houses) was done. More than 50% of the farmhouses were provided with electricity under the MPLAD scheme provided by MPs Ajay Singh, Sumitra Mahajan, and Sushil Indora. "Badopal" is a village on the NH, and no matter what happened in the country, the village never had a power breakdown. We provided permanent government jobs to more than 800 people (from 1987 the total job provided in this constituency by us is around 5,000). Our constituency falls under three police stations. 99% of criminal and civil cases were taken care of at the panchayati level. 90% of the jodh (ponds) of villages were given brick walls. Every village has en elderly home (Vridh Ashram). Two minors were established covery more than 1000 acres. All mini minors (khala) were remodelled and were done 9inch from 4 inch providing more water.

Yet we lost by 10,000 votes. For Cemented roads people said "isme kya sir phode". Only 10% of the 800 employments we gave casted teir votes to us. A known person of a village had 80 acres completey "banjar" of a value Rs 50,000. We started and finished the work of a minor crossing his land, and with availablity of water his land cost went to Rs 400,000 per acres, he was the first one to run away from us saying that we din't give his nephew a job. A lot of people demanded "pillay card" (yellow cards for people BPL) and blamed us for not providing to them, but they didn't have the slighest of the knowledge that those cards were issued only with the schemes of the central government who conducted surveys on timed basis. These are just a few of the examples.

For elections we went to people thinking we did the best any MLA could do for them, but we came out as sinners. I would like to ask you with so much of pain and interest we did so much, but with the result would we able to take the same pain we did before especially when people have "avsarvaadi soch". People whom we gave jobs had more interests in the transfers which the expected government could provide, sarpanch had more interest in grant so they could get commissions, etc.

There are talks of corruption that the Chautala government took part in, which I don't want to go deep in. Since the government depends of its MLAs to prove majority, I just highlighted about what we did for people and what we got in return. The memories are short lived, and people tend to forget those who hurt them. Its all "wave" game. Its not about voting Chautala in the next term, it will be about voting out Congress. Thats what happened with Badal. People wanted to take him out, so congress got the votes.

Hi Gaurav,

First of all, very warm welcome on Jatland. Your words carry lots of meaning as you certainly know the true inside story of Chautala government. I agree with almost what all you said. My only question remains that if Chautala government did so much for Haryana, why did people vote it out? Was it just for the sake of change or more than that? Wasn't it because of high handedness of Chautalasons ? I have been on record on Jatland that Jats rarely vote for the people who undertake development. Voters punished many great leaders known for development. We all know how Ch Charan Singh was voted in again and again inspite of the fact that he rarely carried out any infrastructural development in his constituency. Whereas Ch Bansilal was shown the door inspite of the fact that he did wonders for Haryana. Don't you think it was more of the emotional hurt which Chautala government caused to majority of people in Haryana ? Issues like transfers and Sarpanch expecting commissions are universal and can not be the sole basis of defeat. I would like to hear your comments on the real cause of defeat of Chautala government.

Thanks
Rajendra

[desijat]

[QUOTE=rkumar]Hi Gaurav,

. We all know how Ch Charan Singh was voted in again and again inspite of the fact that he rarely carried out any infrastructural development in his constituency. Thanks
Rajendra[/QUOTER]
Respected Rk ji
I belong to Chaprauli, the home for Charan Singh and Ajit Singh. Today if chaprauli decides to not to vote for Ajit singh, No one can save him from loosing and the reason he is getting votes is because of his dad's name.

If we talk about infrastrusture then there is hardly anything we can count to his credit, But the good sign is that youth in the Baghpat belt is realising this and is going for someone who works, not just carry his Dads name behind him.

Though ours was the only house in whole chaprauli who was against Charan Singh and Still is against Ajit Singh's Policies because they are never put into action.

--
Regards
Vikas Chaudhary

[chhillar]

Politicians are just like Wives ...... Neither you can live with them, nor you can live without them(Original)

Bhai Vikas, who told you wives are like that?

[chhillar]

Can some body tell me (I really would like to know) how can we call Charan Singh great although he came in power just because he was against Indira Gandhi and later kiss mooh se congress se hi support le ke PM ban bethya

[desijat]

Can some body tell me (I really would like to know) how can we call Charan Singh great although he came in power just because he was against Indira Gandhi and later kiss mooh se congress se hi support le ke PM ban bethya
I Dont call him great, and his son is not even a good human (As heard) forget the politician part of him.

[spdeshwal]

Dear Vikash,

Ch. Charan Singh was great leader, because power didn't corrupt him.
He was a great Economic thinker whose political/economic philosophy revolved around Village, Farmer and Mazdoor. The role of women was paramount in his economic philosophy of rural india.
He was a rare honest politician and perhaps was respected for this, beyond regional and cast boundries.
Your family didn't support him does't make him a villian or less popular.
Till date he is the most respected jat leader after Ch. Chhoturam.
I am from kiloi( Rohtak) contituancy and remember his Charismatic presense changing fortune of a MLA condidate( Sh Harichand Hooda) just after one meeting at Bhalauth village.
His journey from a "chhapar to Priminister House" is a great tale of a Great Human Being.

Bhai Gaurav welcomeon on Jatland. I agree with you on some points. INLD Govt in general and Prof. Sampat in particular have done a great job as per the rural development is concerned.

The main reason for Sh. Chautala and his party loosing the election is ignorance of their workers. There are numerous incidents when Chautala and his sons have insulted in public not only the workers but senior party leaders as well. Overall maral of the party workers fefore the election was very low.
That worked as oil in fire of change. Bhai Nichod ye hai ki Duryodhan aur Dushashan ka saath dene ke liye to guru Dronacharya aur Bhisham ko bhi haar ka muh dekhna pada tha. It is time for you guys for retrospection.

Sh. Chautala is a great fighter and can come back.. CBI inquiry looks like a drama and lacks much substance. I keep wandering about the value of the properties in question. No property is less than 100-150 crore. What a joke. This approach is self defeating.

Bhai Sumit , i have a simple answer from you. What did you do for those kids..Jiss ke hisse ka dhoodh tu gatgat pee jaya karta?? Otherwise.. tubb mein ye hi kahunga ki "Thotha channa bhaje ghana" Bhai Raj Rathee aali baat bhi yaad rakhiye, kanhi aaltu-phaltu logon ke chakar mein ake te anarchy na bangya se?

Birbalji, Ek achha Teacher bhi to NEEM ki tarah hi hota hai..SWAAD mein kadwa but chamatkari ausdheeya gunowala!!


cheers!

[dahiyarules]

RK^2: Do you think your so called good intentions are leading anywhere ? Is your life in USA any better than the so called useless bottle of salt for the villagers of India?

I had my awakening in this country. I have met and conversed with people from a very broad specturm of the global society. It has been a wonderul learning experience.

I have the confidence to distinguish good from bad. I have the courage to denounce evil. I learnt it all over here. Doesnt sound like a bottle of salt to me.


RK^2: Do you think by abusing some one you can change him/ her and that too on internet where one is not reading what we are writing? Will you dare to abuse any of these so called corrupt leaders on their face? Why don't you set an example of your bravery in public by your actions rather than giving high sounding moralistic lectures.

I am not abusing any leader. Infact "chor" is a very mild description of a person like him.

I admit that it may not be an easy thing to say what I really feel about Mr. Chautala on his face. Not because I would have a problem with hit. But, maybe because Mr. Chautala won't have the courage to listen to the truth.

I am not being brave or chivalrous or anything like it. I am just trying to be honest to myself and to others. I really think that it is the moral responsiblity of every citizen in a free society to denounce bad leadership. If you do not do so, you are not just cheating yourself, but you are cheating upon so many others who may look upon someone like us to take the initiative to bring down the "walls of jerricho."

This is exactly the point I am trying to make. Something really isn't right, if citizens of a democratic society cannot criticize bad leadership. Why do we need "courage" and "chivalry" to come out and speak against our "democratically elected leaders."

"Fear" of established leadership used to be a thing from the days of monarchies. Democracies were established just to take care of that "fear"

What is the purposeof living in the "world's largest democracy," where people have to "fear" their elected leaders.

This is despicable and shameful.


RK^2: Reality is universal and not just for me. I hope your eyes also see some reality. I want to see some real action from your side in dealing with these so called corrupt politicians and not just lectures on internet. Visit India and say all this in a public meeting in front of the house of any such politician. [/Quote]

I am not lecturing. Neither do I wish to preach. But I do reserve my due right to express myself.

I do not wish to indulge in any sort activism. Overtuning of an established regime only to be replaced by another regime is not the solution.

The solution lies in our mentality. We really need to look at things objectively. OUr analysis needs to be devoid of any fear or prejudie. Logic is the requirement of the hour.

I think any sane minded person should have realized by now that individual do things better, when on their own, rather than relying on an established regime.

Absolute power always corrupt. But relying too much on our leaderhip and and enrusting them with the pettiest of all things possible, we gamble a lot of our present and our future.

We need more options. We need to seizen control of our lives from the established regimes. Free markets ensure individual leadership. An elected leader can fail on just all his or her "campaign promises," and still get away with it, becuase the whole equation lacks accountability.

On the other hand, with privately availabl alternatives, atleast someone can be held accountable for failure of services.

How about have a private supply of power, irrigation, fertilizers and other agricultural necessities, to start with. The farmer would not have to rely on an unaccountable government atleast. If the private suppliers fails the farmer in any way, he could be held accountable for the farmers' losses and thus compensate them for it.

This brings to my mind the private supply of drinking water in many villages in Haryana. Quality drinking water is available in abundance. The taps run every morning and evening as promised by the supplier, come rain or shine.

Before this, drinking water used to be a reponsibility of the government. I grew up from a toddler all the way to a college student. The government water pipe between Bhadani and Kheri-Asra was broken for all these years. No one fixed it for nearly 15 years. And then one day, a private contractor came, and taps have been running ever since.

How abou private schooling. where teachers get paid only after student's results are declared. They do not get paid if the results are not up to the mark. Meanwhile, parents hold tuition money as collateral with a neutral institution.

Such education system could be funded by parents who can afford it and by charity. deficits can be funded by corporation who do business in Harayana, who would get tax breaks in exchange.

It would be a win-win situation.

There are alternatives to government. People need to realize it. I cannot go to Haryana and force these ideas down people throat. I beleive in voluntaryism. If you volunteer to seek liberty along with me, you are more than welcome to follow me. Otherwise, there is always an alternative.

But the government would never lt alternatives happen. Because government looses power and control due to existence of alternatives. Who would need a government if ther were alternatives?

Thats why government restricts alternatives by adopting socialist policies.

That is why, at the end of it all, it is a struggle against socialism.

I really do not think that I need to live in a village or throw money around to improve anything.

RK^2: In that case stop giving lectures. Don't shed these crocodile tears for villagers if you can not live with them.

Do not make me feel as if I am on a vacation. I work very hard. The last time I had a nice and warm bed for a night was on 31st October 2005. I have been working or doing something every night since then. Not a single say off since then. During the last 2 years, I have just had a week of. And probaly, I will go on like this till next year.

People wonder how I do it. But, I just tell myself everytime, that it makes me stronger. No regrets!

RK^2: If lung power is the only think you think can solve all problems, Good luck to you and all those who agree with your approach.

I do no beleive in lung power or muscle power.

It is the intellectual power that matters. All strong and effective leaders were not passoutsof "Chandgi Ram's Akhada Academy." :) But they all were thinkers. Thats what I do. I think. Doesnt hurt anyone.

[sukhda]

Well as we all knw that " HISTORY REPEATS ITS SELF".....whatever case it may be........same goes here......no wonder if chautala govt comes back to power........we as humans have a tendency to look on the other side of the fence..... coz its really hard to remain contended with something we already have........
And this adage is very much in tune when we talk bout political parties coz it has happened every now n then.......its a vicious circle which knows no stagnation......KEEP WATCHING!!!!

[drjatin]

Eibb saarra mamla simajh main aaya meri JATSINGH ji..... aapn kyoun JAT-DALIT ekta pai itna jor dere ho.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm........aachhha......... BOHAT BADHIYA............................pehlam main tera hi number aaewga Bhai......... dookhi na howwe tu..... MAYAWATI eibb lok KUWARRI hai..............ROOKKA @ KUWARRI MAYAWAT................

:D Bhai jat mahaan yo ke likh diya. jitsingh ji to ekta ke baat kar rahe thee :D aapne to Mayawati ke Batau bana diye:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[rsdalal]

If Congress does not perform very well, yes Chautala Govt would be back with full majority and chances are very high as of now.
As per many people including me Chautala Govt performed very well last time and still they were voted out. So for sure Hooda Govt need to do far better than that to stay in power.

4 years back when I was in India, There was only Chautala Govt in Haryana who were buying wheat from farmers. Even Farmers from UP were forced to sell in haryana as they were not getting same rate in UP.

[msingh]

i think chutala will make a comeback with a good number of seats,,but thars not becoz he is a famos leader but coz he is in this game for quite a long time and he knows what he has to do next,,,leaders like hooda are stills kids in front of chuttala and they wont servive for long ,,,,If Congress does not perform very well, yes Chautala Govt would be back with full majority and chances are very high as of now.
As per many people including me Chautala Govt performed very well last time and still they were voted out. So for sure Hooda Govt need to do far better than that to stay in power.

4 years back when I was in India, There was only Chautala Govt in Haryana who were buying wheat from farmers. Even Farmers from UP were forced to sell in haryana as they were not getting same rate in UP.

[yashmalik]

i think chutala will make a comeback with a good number of seats,,but thars not becoz he is a famos leader but coz he is in this game for quite a long time and he knows what he has to do next,,,leaders like hooda are stills kids in front of chuttala and they wont servive for long ,,,,


Hooda is a kid..? oh !! thats why he is the honourable CM of Haryana. Chautala is more experienced..? oh !! thats why he lost with the biggest margin ever in Haryana.

What Chautala has to do next is to run outta India from CBI with the heck of his black money loaded with crime and curruption.

[msingh]

yash its not the matter of honerable ..its just the matter tht chauttala is too aagresive as a leader ..its not that i presonally like him..not atall ,,but the thing is he is a real player and he knows how to play with numbers ,,he is just waiting for the right time
Hooda is a kid..? oh !! thats why he is the honourable CM of Haryana. Chautala is more experienced..? oh !! thats why he lost with the biggest margin ever in Haryana.

What Chautala has to do next is to run outta India from CBI with the heck of his black money loaded with crime and curruption.

[vijay]

Well,

I don't want to discuss about corruption but i am sure chutala will be back with good margin.

[bharatrattan]

Friends,
It would have made more sense by asking forum members whether such corrupt politicians should again be elected or not.
As far as predicting his comeback, we have seen that strike rotates in politics regardless of previous performance. (Because the players involved in this game are "fixed".) Have we not seen "Saurabh Ganguli" capturing the captains spot without any good batting performance against teams other than Bangladesh
An average villager is unable to perceive the gravity of social crime a politician commits by misusing power. Some who perceive it well, have incentives not to speak out. Some share surnames, some a remote village connection which they find as a good reason to restrain themselves.
We take immense pride in our egailatarian value system, the spirit where every Jat treats others equally. A corrupt person has no caste, creed or relegion and those who are selling such notion are either blind themselves (but not everse to calculating benefits) or who want to see other loose sight.
This does not mean the alternative would necessarly be any different, but we simply can not do much than uprooting the existing regime.

Regards,
Bharat

[yashmalik]

yash its not the matter of honerable ..its just the matter tht chauttala is too aagresive as a leader ..its not that i presonally like him..not atall ,,but the thing is he is a real player and he knows how to play with numbers ,,he is just waiting for the right time

let the time come, let him play all of his tittled-mind games but this is now clear and I am sure that this man and all of his siblings will never be welcomed by Haryana in the future.

[panward]

........This is exactly the point I am trying to make. Something really isn't right, if citizens of a democratic society cannot criticize bad leadership. Why do we need "courage" and "chivalry" to come out and speak against our "democratically elected leaders."

"Fear" of established leadership used to be a thing from the days of monarchies. Democracies were established just to take care of that "fear"

What is the purposeof living in the "world's largest democracy," where people have to "fear" their elected leaders.

This is despicable and shameful........

Nothwithstanding disagreement on some points, its was quite simply an awesome point. Wonderful line of thought!

[rsdalal]

INLD got aprox same number of votes this time and last time about 32% of vote share.

[haryanavi]

i cannot believe these clerics who have completely blind faith in that corrupted leader who has done nothing but spreading extortion, corruption and fear into the society, whether it be the murders happening everyday long leave alone the dangi case in madina gaanv, the current case in sirsa against Mr abhey chautala and he is still moving around freely, i just believe that the current CM must be given at least the same time as OP Chautala had to prove his worth and then even if you are not satisfied now go to this link http://haryana.gov.in/misc/oneyear.htm

was there even a single web-site established by your so called good leader chautala ahhhhhhh now i guess he didn't had time but extorting money from business people and workers and haryana and buying hundreds of acres of land in overseas countries, which people of our state don't even have slightest of idea of.I'll happy if you prove me wrong.

[sumer77]

Bhai..!!

Kitne Time aur devve Hodda Na...:mad:

Jisse Din sain Haryana main CM bana hain Hodda …katte naash karr diyaa….!!:o

Kadde Gurgaon main worker kee Pitai..….
Err kadde kaithal aur Sonipat main Chudde (Schedule cast) aur jaat ke Jutt Bajava diyee….Maneniyee Mukhya Matree (CM) Hodda nee..:)

Err ..ek Cheez tain main bhul gayaa….keee isse ke Raaj main vo ek Helicopter gherr diyaa....Jisme Jindal aur Surinder jaisse aache Netta Marree gayee.

Bake Sabb tain bera konee…Parr Hooda “Manoosh” admee sain :D

The site that you are talking is created by Chautla government itself. Its official website of government of Haryana.

Moreover Cases are there against both Bupinder Hooda including his wife Err chorra Deepender…...Err case bhe Dowery aur woman right kee:rolleyes:

Any way….Last year I had started this thread

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9055 (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9055)

Bakke No regret….Just engaging some Hooda party worker here..!!:p

Sumer Singh


whether it be the murders happening everyday long leave alone the dangi case in madina gaanv, the current case in sirsa against Mr abhey chautala and he is still moving around freely, i just believe that the current CM must be given at least the same time as OP Chautala had to prove his worth and then even if you are not satisfied now go to this link http://haryana.gov.in/misc/oneyear.htm

I'll happy if you prove me wrong.

[prashantacmet]

Chillar sahab ji..... it sounds ridiculous when a senior person like u raise this type of questions....... In only two sentences , u have ruined the contribution of one of the gems of Jats (GREAT Chaudhary Charan singh Ji) whatever Chaudhary Sahab has done for the Upliftments of Jats none even can touch that boundary in the forthcoming 100 years
& to cross that seems out of reach in the next 500 years. i am damn sure........ . Plz tell me what do u know about Chaudhary sahab , his life , his contribution, his struggle...... Easiest task in the world is criticising.......... Please pickout some busy time from ur busy schedule & try to collect some information on Chaudhary Sahab ....... might be urviews will be changed..........
Thanks........
Can some body tell me (I really would like to know) how can we call Charan Singh great although he came in power just because he was against Indira Gandhi and later kiss mooh se congress se hi support le ke PM ban bethya

[prashantacmet]

Aachhaa reee... vikasse...... tu haamne nu bata bhai....... tu great kissne maane ......... haamne uska naam to bata.............Chotte Chaudhary(Ajit singh) ki to baat ne chhood de tu...... per tu nu samjha de haamne ek Bade Chaudhary sahab ne tu Great kyooker na maanta......... tai to katai Sharam bech khaayi........ kaam tai kaam gAAM ke naam tai to sharma jaata..... Chaupraulli ka Chorra hokke assi baat kare tu....... kai message jaaga iska bhai Jatland pai..... haam to tajhe chokkha chorra sochhe the Bhai...... tai to katai ALAKARAN kar diya... chaudhary sahab ke baarre main assi baat likhtu tajhee madak si bhi LIHAAZ na aayi..............tai to aaj mera Jee katai dookhi kar diya tere tai assi ASHA na thi hamme...............
I Dont call him great, and his son is not even a good human (As heard) forget the politician part of him.

[crsnadar]

Ch Charan Singh Ji did not play the CASTE GAME that's why he is still respected by heart by most of the farming castes of INDIA not only by JATs.
Without playing JAT game in politics he is among the Most prior cause to make our caste popular.
He was the man who never greed of seat in loksabha or any post in Cabinet but onlything he was worry was Farmers.
On those days the situation of farmers was very ironic it was only who, which uplift their status & of every farming caste.

CCS = Kisan Pratham

But Shri Chautala Ji is having some space in the hearts of a portion of JAT Community & Very less among others.

However Shri Chautala ji ne kisaano aur JATon ka to bhala hi kiya hai par samaj ke baaki logon ki unhone watt laga di nahi to itna paisa kahan se aaya unke paas. To JATon ke liye to ve favourable hi hai lekin jahan char aadmi different different caste ke baithte hai wahan Shri Chautala Ji par ungli uth hi jaati hai.

We should admire CH Devilal Ji who was somewaht like Ch Charan Singh Ji so expecting the same from Shri Chautala Ji.

[prashantacmet]

THEEK KAHI AAPNE RAHUL BHAI..........
yha to aapne hi LATTH chadhaan ne horre Bhai........

"are hamme to apno ne loota gairon main kaha dum tha
apni kasti waha doobi jaha paani kam tha"

Ch Charan Singh Ji did not play the CASTE GAME that's why he is still respected by heart by most of the farming castes of INDIA not only by JATs.
Without playing JAT game in politics he is among the Most prior cause to make our caste popular.
He was the man who never greed of seat in loksabha or any post in Cabinet but onlything he was worry was Farmers.
On those days the situation of farmers was very ironic it was only who, which uplift their status & of every farming caste.

CCS = Kisan Pratham

But Shri Chautala Ji is having some space in the hearts of a portion of JAT Community & Very less among others.

However Shri Chautala ji ne kisaano aur JATon ka to bhala hi kiya hai par samaj ke baaki logon ki unhone watt laga di nahi to itna paisa kahan se aaya unke paas. To JATon ke liye to ve favourable hi hai lekin jahan char aadmi different different caste ke baithte hai wahan Shri Chautala Ji par ungli uth hi jaati hai.

We should admire CH Devilal Ji who was somewaht like Ch Charan Singh Ji so expecting the same from Shri Chautala Ji.

[itsnavin]

Err ..ek Cheez tain main bhul gayaa….keee isse ke Raaj main vo ek Helicopter gherr diyaa....Jisme Jindal aur Surinder jaisse aache Netta Marree gayee.

I just couldn't stop myself for a laugh after reading this...It seemed to me that I am reading a blame game script. Dudi bhai...Surinder ko to helicopter mein marwa diya but I think you forgot to mention the death of Ch. Bansi Lal. Kya pata usko bhee Hooda ne hee marwaya ho.

Think, if you are blaming Hooda govt for this helicopter crash, u must blame each govt. for each road accidents or accidental deaths. And don't forget to include our favorite Chautala govt. in that list.

Navin

[ratheetheraist]

I just couldn't stop myself for a laugh after reading this...It seemed to me that I am reading a blame game script. Dudi bhai...Surinder ko to helicopter mein marwa diya but I think you forgot to mention the death of Ch. Bansi Lal. Kya pata usko bhee Hooda ne hee marwaya ho.

Think, if you are blaming Hooda govt for this helicopter crash, u must blame each govt. for each road accidents or accidental deaths. And don't forget to include our favorite Chautala govt. in that list.

Navin

respected navin bhai saab,,

dudi ji nee nu na kahi akk hooda saab nee marwaa diyaa unn taaii aur kimmee ............jus he wanted to say tht bad luck emerged af his coming into power......u know....JIS DIN CM KI SHAPATH LII HOODA SAAB NEE USSE DIN OLLE PADDE THEE ROHTAK, BHIWANI MAIN................:(

parr main inn baataan nee bekaar ki baat kaha karun.............:):cool:

[itsnavin]

respected navin bhai saab,,

dudi ji nee nu na kahi akk hooda saab nee marwaa diyaa unn taaii aur kimmee ............jus he wanted to say tht bad luck emerged af his coming into power......u know....JIS DIN CM KI SHAPATH LII HOODA SAAB NEE USSE DIN OLLE PADDE THEE ROHTAK, BHIWANI MAIN................:(

parr main inn baataan nee bekaar ki baat kaha karun.............:):cool:

Bhai Rathi...
Read his text again. Here it is: "keee isse ke Raaj main vo ek Helicopter gherr diyaa.." See his last 2 words...they are "gherr diyaa". If it was just coincidence or badluck, he should have used "girr gya".

Tumhari galti nahin hai bhai...Words ka janjaal hai sarra. anyway...mauj lo!

[vikusingh]

yes chautala will definently come in power. he has done for jats what any other can't do. i went to haryana bfore chautala gov and in chautala govt there is lots of devepment done in chautala govt in roads ,power etc. he has given jobs as many as any other can't give . so definetly return in power.

[ranjitjat]

Only Time Will Tell
Who Will Rule Haryana Or India

[rsdalal]

Bhai Sahab, yo te aap nainsafi si kar rahe so, Hooda sahab galya....
For sure Hooda sahab would not have any interst in both Honda strike and Sonipat(or Gohana to be more precise) incident.

Ya te yaa batt hooyee ke Ole gere ramji ne err Naam aap Hooda sahab ka la dyo....

Hope Hooda sahab completes his 5 year, Par Yo Bhajan Lala Chup na bathhe... Jis din iske patte thik set ho ge na, uss din sari Jatland Chautala-Chautala kavhegi....
Hope that day would not come and Hooda Sahab will be able to complete 5 years so that voters would have comparable picture and would be able to pick the better party next time, be it INLD or congress.....


Bhai..!!

Kitne Time aur devve Hodda Na...:mad:

Jisse Din sain Haryana main CM bana hain Hodda …katte naash karr diyaa….!!:o

Kadde Gurgaon main worker kee Pitai..….
Err kadde kaithal aur Sonipat main Chudde (Schedule cast) aur jaat ke Jutt Bajava diyee….Maneniyee Mukhya Matree (CM) Hodda nee..:)

Err ..ek Cheez tain main bhul gayaa….keee isse ke Raaj main vo ek Helicopter gherr diyaa....Jisme Jindal aur Surinder jaisse aache Netta Marree gayee.

Bake Sabb tain bera konee…Parr Hooda “Manoosh” admee sain :D

The site that you are talking is created by Chautla government itself. Its official website of government of Haryana.

Moreover Cases are there against both Bupinder Hooda including his wife Err chorra Deepender…...Err case bhe Dowery aur woman right kee:rolleyes:

Any way….Last year I had started this thread

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9055 (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9055)

Bakke No regret….Just engaging some Hooda party worker here..!!:p

Sumer Singh

[sumer77]

You are damm right Dalal Bhai..!!

Maine tain nyun Swaad leyyu thaa....:p


The problem with this argument is that it can easily be turned off my head..!!

My supposed objectivity might be little more than perspective in itself.....:cool:

Hope all of you understand my message

Dudi



Bhai Sahab, yo te aap nainsafi si kar rahe so, Hooda sahab galya....
.

[deepika]

The way you are in favour of corruption one thing is clear that ,for sure,you can top the list of corrupt politicians if once given a chance.I feel pity on a few jat's sick mentality.I wonder how they say"Mr. XYZ is corrupt but is good politician".That's really pathetic.Now there should be one more freedom movement i.e freedom from politicans.They are harming our nation in every way.For the properity of our nation we neither need a politician like you nor Mr. Om Prakash Chautala.And one more thing your visions towards our community are quite destructive.I hope not all jats think like you.

[dahiyarules]

Now there should be one more freedom movement i.e freedom from politicans.They are harming our nation in every way.

Hmmmm....that sounds like an "anarchist libertarian." Welcome aboard!

[rkumar]

Err ..ek Cheez tain main bhul gayaa….keee isse ke Raaj main vo ek Helicopter gherr diyaa....Jisme Jindal aur Surinder jaisse aache Netta Marree gayee.

Bake Sabb tain bera konee…Parr Hooda “Manoosh” admee sain :D

Sumer Singh [/FONT][/SIZE]

Hi Sumer,

Your above observations are in very poor taste and does not speak of a person with some logical thinking. Calling someone Manhoosh is deplorable and needs to be condemned. Such comments are expected only from illitrates and not from someone who is educated and living in USA.

RK^2

[positivelook]

Ur Right Rajender uncle. Such comments are really expected from illitrates but we cant change anyone. Sabke apne-apne vichar hain.
Baaki as Dharmpal Uncle said only time will tell who will rule haryana is the perfect answer for this thread.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[sumer77]

Yaar RK

I protest..!!! :eek:

My words were meant entirely in context. The said specimen just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. ;)

But I notice every one of us make dismissive comments about a lot of things so it isn’t as hard figuring out why I was taken soo seriously :)..??

Any way RK, I was ready to shed a few tears myself.:D

Sumer



Hi Sumer,

Your above observations are in very poor taste and does not speak of a person with some logical thinking. Calling someone Manhoosh is deplorable and needs to be condemned. Such comments are expected only from illitrates and not from someone who is educated and living in USA.

RK^2

[vikaskundu]

chahe hhoda gov aaye ya chautala gov ...... bhajan -kuldip gov nahi chaiye kati bhi

[gauravgg]

Dear Mr. Dahiya saab! The word "saab" doesn't mean that you are my boss but its respect to an elder. How many times have you voted, do you ever take part in agitations, do you mobilize people for a cause. How many times have actually gone to a minister to get a note of a complaint. Your majors are finance but will you ever come down here and hold meeting with the ministers to guide them inspite of thinking about results. Its strange that educated people talk like this.

[ramksehrawat]

In Indian democracy nothing is impossible. Chautala is :

(i) corrupt ? Name an Indian politician who is not ? (Perhaps only a very few).
(ii) incompetent ? Name a competent leader ? (to me none is perfect. Though some, including the present CM, have some good traits. But who cares.)
(iii) Chautala is ruthless jat and don't forget the "terhavin' saying, he is still alive and kicking poltically.
(iv) Five years are too long a period. We Indians have this disease called forget and foregive.
(iv) Anti-incumbency factor is working a bit too much these days in India, no matter how well you perform people hardly appreciate. Their aspirations are a bit too much for any of our present leadership to fulfil especially unemployment and infrastructure (sadak, bijli, pani) and no matter how honest and hardworking you are, these problems are not likely to be solved in the very near future. Hence, anti-incumbency factor will be hard to tackle.

Indira Gandhi in 1977 and Congress in 1988 faced the worst defeat, still they staged come back. BJP had only two seats in 1984 when even Vajpayee was defeated. In the very next elections they were everywhere. As long as there is no good alternative, as long as problems of unemployment and infrastructure remains, nobody should dream of next term; commos in West Bengal being the exception but that is a different story. HENCE I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF CHAUTALA MAKE A COME BACK IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS ITSELF.

He is out of power for barely a year and the votes above, is already in his favour. Itni hi majority se to aajkal CM bante hain !!!!

PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT LIKE HIM TO BE CM again.

[jhajhria]

He will come back. hodda sarkar nain dukhi ker diye nan pani nan bijali. is sarkar nan tho yo Bhajan Lal hi nan chalan de. babu beta lag re sain:)

[ratheetheraist]

Hi Vikas,

Politics has become too complicated a game. Its changing far too faster than what even hard core politicians can think and understand. Strange permutations/ combinations take place and grab power. The very BJP which had been opposing Akali Dal and National Confrenece, shared power with them. Chautala Sahab also joined hands with BJP to share power. Let us forget about moral in politics as no party can claim to be having that virtue. Politics is becoming like mining or collecting water in desert where every drop matters. This is why smaller parties are having more premium and can bargain for ministerial bearths. Jats votes will always remain divided in Haryana, come what may. This leaves others to swing the fortune of politics. Its very unlikely that BJP will support Chautala unless there is strong wave in his favour. BJP will try its best to emerge as single party, though the chances of its gaining power are very small as far as I can see. peope like Mayawati hardly have any base in Haryana. Only party which cuts across all sections of Haryana at the moment or even in near future, is congress. Chautala Sahab has either very strong supporters or opponents. This is not so with congress. Unless Chautala Sahab comes with very innovative tricks, chances of his coming in power are very bleak in my view. Even cunning leaders like Advani, Vinay Katiyar are failing badly. Politics of winning elections by default is fading very fast lately. Winning elections and running government are becoming separate compartments in today's politics. Another new trend has emerged during last few years where Rajya Sabha seats are now almost on auction for the highest bidders. No wonder people like Vijay Mallya, Ambani etc are taking that path. Time is not too far when almost 70% Rajya Sabha seats will be via this root.

RK^2

respected uncle ji....

jo swaal he main poochun tha naa unka jawab te na milla manne aapke iss reply main........aap baat goll hi kar gey dikhhee manne...hmm.....;)

ek be dekhiyo dubara meri post ney....2nd page pee sai iss thread kee.......

waiting 4 ur reply.....

[dahiyarules]

Dear Mr. Dahiya saab! The word "saab" doesn't mean that you are my boss but its respect to an elder. How many times have you voted, do you ever take part in agitations, do you mobilize people for a cause. How many times have actually gone to a minister to get a note of a complaint. Your majors are finance but will you ever come down here and hold meeting with the ministers to guide them inspite of thinking about results. Its strange that educated people talk like this.

I do not beleive in voting, because elections are about choosing between the worse and the worser. I cannot think of one leader in India who I support whole-heartedly.

As far as guiding leaders is concerned, the only guidance they need is on how to fill their pockets faster. People are in politics for their own selfish reasons. Not one leders from the past or present has whole heartedly devoted their lives for the people. Dont come up with stupid examples becuase I am very sure that I do not like any leader. One good leaders that I can think of is from the US is Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX). Hes the only leader I whole heartedly agree with on just everything. Mr. Ron Paul is always the "unique vote" in the US Capitol. I love that guy's nerves.

In India I support Medha Pathkar. She is one leader who beleives that she can change things without running for office. She has tremendous supprot in the tribal regions. She can beat just any other leader if she ran for office. But she is more interested in changing things rather than run for office. She understands the concept of "power corrupts," just as well as I do.

As far as agitations go. I think the most effective means of achieving our gals is to focus on changing peoiple's mentality. People need to realize that they can serve their own interests better than any elected officials. People need to empower themselves and abhor all forms of government.

On this end, I run my own blog. The link is www.sumitdahiya.com You may go their and read my periodic updates.

Thanks but no thanks for your suggestions. I rather go the unconventional way to change things. I am striking the root by trying to change the way people think.

[gauravgg]

Well Mr Dahiya! I believe you the most than all of us in Haryana and you can predict everything here. Thats great news! Not voting to me means voting the winning side. Its a shame that instead of doing something ractical for the state, you are pounding this site with hatred for politicians when actually people make them. Blame the people who vote for them again and again.
Regards

[pratapkundu]

bhaiya rola karan ki koi jarurat na hai, yo to haam saaryaa ne bera paat jega teen ek saal pacchhe ke kun sa banega CM.....aapas mei kyaa te bhido ho....yo e to rola apne desh aalya gel, mrre batte aapas mei hi munddd jyaan hai ladan......bhai jisne choutala badhiya lage o usne de diyo vote arrr jisne bhuppi badhiyaa lage o usne de diyo......baaki aagli bari hoye ga gaddar....nyu ne bera yu bhajnu BJP mei jaavega akk aaapni nyaari party banavega.....bansi lal to gujarr e liye becha...eeb te ladai in teenuva mei hai ......

[vivek_kadyan]

yes he ll sworn in again in next plan itself

[chhillar]

whats next plan?

[vikasmaan]

yes he will comeback

[shamshermalik]

Purely, on the basis of performance of Mr. Chautala the answer is "NO", however more often than not, the votes has nothing to do with performance.



Col. Sahab,

If performance is counted then Mr Chautala has done far better than previous congress or HVP rules but performace donot matter, what matters most is cast politics and anti-etablishment. No politician is pure and almost everyone is corrupt except very few exceptions and Indian public has become immune to corruption, corruption has become a part and parcel of life and is very difficult to root out.

I donot like Mr Chautala for corruption but I admire him whatever he has done during his last term and I think he will come back. and he must be back,

Regards,
Shamsher

[drjatin]

agreed chautala os corrupt agreed he promotes bhai bhatizawad but
IT IS CHAUTALA AND ONLY CHAUTALA WHO FAVOURS JATS NOT ONLY OPENLY BUT ALSO DISCREETLY
HE FAVOURS JATS BY HEART SINCE HE IS SON OF CHAUDHARY DEVILAL

[rkumar]

...I admire him whatever he has done during his last term and I think he will come back. and he must be back,

Regards,
Shamsher

Please educate us on what all he did during his last term. Do you think projects like Nano city, Education City etc initiated by present government don't match to the works done by Mr Chautala ? Let us compare present government and the last government purely on the basis of their works and nothing else.

RK^2

[yudhvirmor]

[quote=rkumar;114385]Please educate us on what all he did during his last term. Do you think projects like Nano


Hi,

I think to discuss on this topic, we need to think more rational and need to come out favourism.

We all know that what Mr. Chuthala's sons did with the people. I dont think that single goverment job vaccancy was filled without money.

Most of the devlopment project were aided by world bank.

Gurgaon became the high tech city becuase of the proximety to the International airport.

They did not give single licence without taking money.

I dont think Devilal had property of 1400 crore. CBI is asking for Intepol help to trace their all property.

I dont have great affection with Congress or with its policies.

I belive that Mr. Hooda is doing fine and I think we can compare his performance with Chauthla 3 years down the line.

I think we have lots of better things to discuss like unemployemnt in our youths, high crime rate in haryana, Naxalite trend emerging in some parts of state, Buying the brides becuase of worse sex ratio and so on.

I appreciate if we come with ideas to solve these kind of problems.

Regards
Yudhvir

[shamshermalik]

Please educate us on what all he did during his last term. Do you think projects like Nano city, Education City etc initiated by present government don't match to the works done by Mr Chautala ? Let us compare present government and the last government purely on the basis of their works and nothing else.

RK^2

Rk Sir..aapko main kya educate karoonga main to aap se sirf seekh sakta hoon.

Abhi Nano city to concieve bhi nahin hua Sir..its still in the form of Morula walking down the tube...lets wait for its implantation and then further progress. kaisaa banta hai...kaise chalta hai...kitni dhandhli hoti hai ye waqt bataayega. If it goes upto the plan then it will be a great achievement.

And one more thing Chandra Babu Naidu bring lot of IT companies to Andhra but that did not heal the wounds of farmers who continued to commit suicide.

The nation is getting flooded but still few parts need water which is not there for them and this congress govt is doing nothing....water is going to Pakistan.

I read your article on electricity and believe me the eletricity supply to villages is far less and inconsistent then at the time of Mr Chautala.

Water supplied in Canals is less than at the time of Mr Chautala.

I have never seen so much work on roads and village streets. Better drinking water supply to villages was provided. Eletcricity was provided to farmers at reasonable rate.

as far education city is concerned then Mr Chautala started one university, please donot say that he just wanted to spread his fathers name. and many private dental and medical college were started in Haryana during that tenure..only possible because of