Modern Reservation Issue in India

[sktewatia]

I'd like to draw the attention of Jats towards the most burning issue in India today. Any common simple Jat would like to know from Jatlanders-whether he should support, oppose or stand neutral to this issue?

[rohittewatia]

After so many years of giving them reservation, they could not develop. How could they develop if you give them more reservations????

And, moreover if there is a need of reservation for them, there should be a certain criteria for reservation...if they fail to achieve a certain standard, for example in an exam, the seat should be passed over to the General Quota, instead of being filled by not deserving candidates...

Given the relaxations, they wouldd never feel the need of reservations and if you give them more 25 years...Still, after that there would be a big issue when the government would feel to remove the reservations and another would promise to continue the reservations...

And, all for the vote bank.

And, if they are so much concerned for their welfare...these politicians should set examples by marrying off their daughters to dalits n then talk about their welfare.

[chhillar]

Tewatia Saab,
I think reservation is not a good thing by any standards in my opinion but agar ye reservation honi hi he to do laadoo hum ne bhi mil jyaan to achha hi ye...dikkat ke he

I never needed reservation for myself (hoti jab kaun si mil jati) but there are millions who could use to it in our community. Please don't relate availing reservation with shame or false Jat pride, just use it.

A

[sktewatia]

Yes, Chhiler ji

I feel that VP Singh raised this issue that time to marginalize Devi Lal in particular and Jats in General.

[chhillar]

Yes, Chhiler ji

I feel that VP Singh raised this issue that time to marginalize Devi Lal in particular and Jats in General.

So what's your take on the issue, how and what should be done now? Can Jat politicians help in this matter?

[sktewatia]

its a serious issue. 2 b discussed in closed door. all Jat politicians have to collect togather untitedly cutting across party lines. immediately, overnite..n decide..

reservation issue is most serious for jats rather than n e other caste. it will affect all jats most seriously. as they are on the border. if they get it as OBC nothing like it. but if they dnt get into OBC, they are lost in blue, like last 15-16 years. jats of haryana/punjab/up/delhi etc. are sleeping. Jats are most forward in backward castes but they are most backward in forward castes. Jats will be a lost identity if reservation is there without Jat in it. But it will flourish if they are in OBC and reservation is there.

I earlier said that I'm against n e kind of reservation. but chiller sahb its a political move initiated from the very beginning to kill the Jats in the bud, by VP Singh.

Have you ever analysed the political vacum of jats on national level in past 15 years??????????

reason is here!

i wonder why educated Jats slept over it and why they are sleeping??????

[bharatrattan]

its a serious issue. 2 b discussed in closed door. all Jat politicians have to collect togather untitedly cutting across party lines. immediately, overnite..n decide..

reservation issue is most serious for jats rather than n e other caste. it will affect all jats most seriously. as they are on the border. if they get it as OBC nothing like it. but if they dnt get into OBC, they are lost in blue, like last 15-16 years. jats of haryana/punjab/up/delhi etc. are sleeping. Jats are most forward in backward castes but they are most backward in forward castes. Jats will be a lost identity if reservation is there without Jat in it. But it will flourish if they are in OBC and reservation is there.

I earlier said that I'm against n e kind of reservation. but chiller sahb its a political move initiated from the very beginning to kill the Jats in the bud, by VP Singh.

Have you ever analysed the political vacum of jats on national level in past 15 years??????????

reason is here!

i wonder why educated Jats slept over it and why they are sleeping??????

Dr Tewathia,
For people who want to save their face by not availing reservation, the way through General Category is still open. Don’t be left out if it is there, despite disliking its very basis.
Regards,
Bharat

[sktewatia]

Crowning of Charan was no less issue. And within next 10 years another Jat Devi was PM. But he made 2 Rajput PMs. Those Rajputs who could not tolerate even a single CM as Jat in Rajasthan, how could they tolerate a Jat PM at centre. It was sochi samjhi chaal. Ki aakhir Jat PM banta kyon hai, aakhir Jat jo hai vo kyon hai? .................Akhir Jat world ki is best land pe kaabij kyon hai hum kyon nahin hain?

Then only it was decided to implement Mandal by VP not to kill Devi only but all Jats.

[sktewatia]

Their deep analysis resulted that Jat (Charan Singh and Devi Lal etc) is coming now n then for PM in rapid succession just every 10 years, is due to the fact that he is leading more than 80% population of India. That means almost all villagers. The castes which are in OBC now were the sufferers of Brahman/Kshatriya/Baniya gath-bandhan etc. Position of Jat was also something similar. But he was capable of leading this 80% population against these rulers. Jat was the traditional opponent of this gath-bandhan. In the past also for hundreds and thousands of years he rebelled and opposed such oppressive forces. He had been opposing succesfully Muslim, British etc also. Moreover, unlike Rajput, Jat was not the exploiter of the OBC tribes but their most powerful ally. This gave OBC tribes a natural confidence to follow Jat leadership. Even Gujjar, Yadav, etc. were after Jat.

By one stroke VP Singh attacked Jat in two ways. First, he cut off this OBC following of Jat who were making him PM repeatedly. Second, By excluding Jat from OBC and pushing him among forward, a common village Jat was made to compete with city's Bania, Brahmin, Rajput, Kayasth etc. Where among forward Jat was already much backward, now after reservation Jat became the most backward in the forward group thus worst sufferer.

Result was the political vaccum of Jats on national level. Where he used to reach PM, now he was hardly any low profile minister at the center. Thats what I've observed at the center for last 15 years.

[narenderkharb]

its a serious issue. 2 b discussed in closed door. all Jat politicians have to collect togather untitedly cutting across party lines. immediately, overnite..n decide..

reservation issue is most serious for jats rather than n e other caste. it will affect all jats most seriously. as they are on the border. if they get it as OBC nothing like it. but if they dnt get into OBC, they are lost in blue, like last 15-16 years. jats of haryana/punjab/up/delhi etc. are sleeping. Jats are most forward in backward castes but they are most backward in forward castes. Jats will be a lost identity if reservation is there without Jat in it. But it will flourish if they are in OBC and reservation is there.

I earlier said that I'm against n e kind of reservation. but chiller sahb its a political move initiated from the very beginning to kill the Jats in the bud, by VP Singh.

Have you ever analysed the political vacum of jats on national level in past 15 years??????????

reason is here!

i wonder why educated Jats slept over it and why they are sleeping??????

Very true .

That is the right approach for our community.

Reservation is going to stay and we should not be left out just sleeping.

[netrapalsingh]

I'd like to draw the attention of Jats towards the most burning issue in India today. Any common simple Jat would like to know from Jatlanders-whether he should support, oppose or stand neutral to this issue?

Sir,

reservation ka to pataa nahi alag alag vichar hai sab logo ke,
lekin rajasthan ke CM jat hone ka sawal hai to Kumba ram Arya ka
naam to suna hoga wo CM Rajasthan ke bante bante rah gaye
the.

or jab Ashok Ghalot CM bane to rajasthan me ek bhi Jat leader
nahi tha CM ke layak. Ek hee famous naam tha Rajendra Singh
Choudhary, ooski bhi image achi nahi thi, ek leader hai Sheem Ram
Ola jo MP ka hee election ladte hai.

[sktewatia]

Very true .

That is the right approach for our community.

Reservation is going to stay and we should not be left out just sleeping.

Yes, thats what I've been suggesting Jats that dnt support or oppose it. If it is there, which is sure and certain as you said, then get into it as OBC. Jats should better channelise their energy in this direction. But what I find that except for Rajasthan no other Jat is aware of its dangers and sleeping. Remember Jat, your penetration into OBC will again lead you to PM.

It reminds me of Charan Singh who used to say that only rural India will rule India one day by its natural majority. His words are coming true. Its democracy and in democracy, votes rule. Rural India is having more than 80% votes. Now, we all see that they are coming to rule by forcing every party for reservation in their favour i.e. OBC. No party can dare to deny them. Otherwise also two biggest states of India UP and Bihar are in their control. It was again due to the leadership of Jat that OBC rose fast to this level.

[sktewatia]

Sir,

reservation ka to pataa nahi alag alag vichar hai sab logo ke,
lekin rajasthan ke CM jat hone ka sawal hai to Kumba ram Arya ka
naam to suna hoga wo CM Rajasthan ke bante bante rah gaye
the.

or jab Ashok Ghalot CM bane to rajasthan me ek bhi Jat leader
nahi tha CM ke layak. Ek hee famous naam tha Rajendra Singh
Choudhary, ooski bhi image achi nahi thi, ek leader hai Sheem Ram
Ola jo MP ka hee election ladte hai.

With due regard to you, I disagree with you Desraj ji. Charan Singh used to call Devilal "Is ka sharir haathi ka hai aur dimag chuhe ka hai". That does not mean that Devilal was incapable for PM. Within next few years after Charan Singh's death he heading for PM on his own self made efforts.

Politician's ability is his followers and circumstances. At least these two precede his own mental ability. Big politician is a phenomenon rather than an individual. If we say Charan Singh ruled that Charan Singh phenomenon ruled. I've already explained above what Charan Singh/Devi Lal phenomenon was. It was that Jat was the leader of 80% rural population. This majority was heading towards power as in democracy votes rule. As a result their leader Jats were heading towards PM.

VP Singh broke this majority from Jat. Hence in next 15 years and till today there is political vaccum for them at center.

So, I conclude that there were no doubt many capable leaders in Rajasthan. Jat could never became CM there because ally's of his natural opponents Brahman-Rajput-Bania Gathbandhan were siting at center.

[sandeepbalyan]

Dear All,

I have posted my views here long back.Link

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97762&postcount=12



thanks & regards
Sandeep

[sktewatia]

Dr Tewathia,
For people who want to save their face by not availing reservation, the way through General Category is still open. Don’t be left out if it is there, despite disliking its very basis.
Regards,
Bharat

Yes, I attended All India Jat Mahasabha session at Agra about 14-15 years back. Which was attended by Tikait and Vishvendra Singh among others. It went incolclusive on reservation issue. Many Jats claimed there that they dnt want to be called as backward at any cost. But what a forward Jat feels when he offers water as peon to a person from reserve category.

You are true the Proud Jats still have option to apply in General Category. But let reservation be there for a common village Jat, who is not having sufficient means to compete with elite city class.

[sktewatia]

Dear All,

I have posted my views here long back.Link

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97762&postcount=12



thanks & regards
Sandeep

Baliyan Ji, I've quoted your views for the convenience for readers. I appreciate that they are detailed and nice ones.


BALIYAN JI wrote:

Dear All,
I respect views of all but I differ with few of them.


I know no one likes reservation and nor do I.

"IF WE WILL GET THE DOCTORS OR OTHER PROFESSIONALS ON THE BASIS OF RESERVATION , MEANS WE WILL GET THE LESS QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS AND THIS IS NOT FAIR."

Are We Not Getting these so called “quota” doctors and other professionals now?

"AS I THINK IS THAT JAT DOESN'T NEED RESERVATIONS..."

Yes few jats those who are well to do both monetary and professionally don’t need that. By blessing of GOD, I too come in same category.

What about those jats who live in villages and try to earn for good life like we do.

I know they own best land in India ... but how much do they have, population wise it is too less, it is difficult to find a farmer of 100 bigha or more so easily. Land is getting less with every family separation.

Crime rate is so high in our areas... Because youth those who have studied in village do not have jobs ... I personally know jats who have done their graduation and PG’s still waiting for jobs. In village they start schooling late, age factor in general category plays significant role?

Killing of relative even father and brothers is getting so common for land... Y?
Un employment

I'm not pro reservation, but if it is given to others it should be given to our brothers and sisters also.


“WE CAN GROW BY OURSELF, NO NEED OF SUCH STUPID RESERVATION TYPE TOOLS... “

Yes we can grow by our self, I do agree, but few of us require lifts and if others are getting y should not we.


What I want to say is “if others will get reservation we want it , If no one will get reservation we don’t want it” .

I know we are the best and can achieve anything, even those other can’t.


One more thing I want to add ..... Our caste politician need to address that ... but as usual most of them are sleeping .

regards
Sandeep Baliyan
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[sandeepbalyan]

Sir,

"But what a forward Jat feels when he offers water as peon to a person from reserve category.
"
Good Scenario which produces lots of sense when we think about reservation.


regards
Sandeep

[sktewatia]

After so many years of giving them reservation, they could not develop. How could they develop if you give them more reservations????

And, moreover if there is a need of reservation for them, there should be a certain criteria for reservation...if they fail to achieve a certain standard, for example in an exam, the seat should be passed over to the General Quota, instead of being filled by not deserving candidates...

Given the relaxations, they wouldd never feel the need of reservations and if you give them more 25 years...Still, after that there would be a big issue when the government would feel to remove the reservations and another would promise to continue the reservations...

And, all for the vote bank.

And, if they are so much concerned for their welfare...these politicians should set examples by marrying off their daughters to dalits n then talk about their welfare.

yes, these politicians are concerned about their welfare but in their political move Jats have to see at least that they are not harmed.