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maverick6238
May 23rd, 2006, 10:52 AM
please sign the petition
Urgent Appeal: This is very important to all Indians. There is an international conspiracy by the CIA, CNN and BBC. Kashmir has been sliced off into 3 parts with LOCs being shown as International Borders and this map is slowly getting standardized.

Read http://www.hindujagruti.org/cia
Sign protest at - http://hindujagruti.org/cia/protest.php


Please participate in the campaign and pass on the message! Time now for Indians to unite and demand an apology from the CIA, CNN and BBC for distorting Indian map.

Apart from this there are several protests against following( once u sign the petition u'll be able to see these on main page)

1) Hanuman ji shown in jeans and tshirt
2) Goddess Durga shown nude.
3) Hindu gods shown as cats.
4) Mother India Unrobed..

Kindly spread this message to all indians n show how much u care....


regards

dahiyarules
May 23rd, 2006, 04:38 PM
Well accept the facts dost!

Pakistan got a part of Kashmir too. It would be misleading to show the entire territory as part of either India or Pakistan. And then China holds a small part of the territory too. Pakistan gave it China to kiss it up.

I am not trying to start a new debate here. But, it is just pointless to mislead ourselves into looking at an inaccurate map of Jammu and Kashmir.

Having aspirations to see the entire territory of J & K as part of our country is a totally different thing. But, when people look at the map like we do in India, they really think that People living in the northern territory (POK) are Indian, which is not the case.

I grew up looking at the map of India like we do in India. It was only after I got access to the internet I realized what it really looks like, and how the rest of the world looks at it.

I am just trying to make a point her. I do not wish to cause any ill-feelings either. But I think it is our moral responsibility to let our school-going children know the reality. Do not let them live under an illusion.

dhayal
May 23rd, 2006, 06:12 PM
bade dukh ki baat hai itna paisa rakhsha per kharch karne ke baad bhi kashmir ka woh bhag unke pass hai "log apni mata per war kar rahe hai phir bhi chup hain" yeh shanti mouth leke aa sakti hai, yudh ke liye karanti chaheye. hanuman ji ka apman yeh badi durbhagepuran baat hai:mad:

dhayal
May 23rd, 2006, 06:17 PM
hai liye hathiyaar dushman taak mein baitha udhar
aur hum taiyyaar hain seena liye apna idhar
khoon se khelenge holi gar vatan muskhil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
haath jin mein ho junoon katt te nahi talvaar se
sar jo uth jaate hain voh jhukte nahi lalkaar se
haath jin mein ho junoon katt te nahi talvaar se
sar jo uth jaate hain voh jhukte nahi lalkaar se
aur bhadkega jo shola-sa humaare dil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
hum to ghar se nikle hi the baandhkar sar pe qafan
chaahatein liin bhar liye lo bhar chale hain ye qadam
zindagi to apni mehmaan maut ki mehfil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
dil mein tuufaanon ki toli aur nason mein inquilaab
hosh dushman ke udaa denge humein roko na aa
duur reh paaye jo humse dam kahaan manzil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai - 2


"phir jaroorat hai karanti ki"

ratheetheraist
May 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM
kar diya bhai gaurav humne apna kaam........... laagya reh jhandey thaaee reha kar kyaa e naa kyaa e n key........JAI SHRI RAAM, HANUMAAN,,:)

JAI HIND....... JAI HIND KI SENA...........:)

kharub
May 23rd, 2006, 11:16 PM
Well accept the facts dost!

Pakistan got a part of Kashmir too. It would be misleading to show the entire territory as part of either India or Pakistan. And then China holds a small part of the territory too. Pakistan gave it China to kiss it up.

I am not trying to start a new debate here. But, it is just pointless to mislead ourselves into looking at an inaccurate map of Jammu and Kashmir.

Having aspirations to see the entire territory of J & K as part of our country is a totally different thing. But, when people look at the map like we do in India, they really think that People living in the northern territory (POK) are Indian, which is not the case.

I grew up looking at the map of India like we do in India. It was only after I got access to the internet I realized what it really looks like, and how the rest of the world looks at it.

I am just trying to make a point her. I do not wish to cause any ill-feelings either. But I think it is our moral responsibility to let our school-going children know the reality. Do not let them live under an illusion.

Mate i totally disagree , i donot know what kind of principles or ideology you pursue ... but it does not seem to have the feel of 'Jatness' to it ... your liberarian soft hearted ideas do not represent the ideologically sound, dying for what they believe in, fighting for what is theirs- Jats

Kashmir is an integral part of India ... our youth have died fighiting for it and you are trying to say that their sacrifice was infact a mistake or error of judgement ... ???

If we will cease claim to it, our unscrapolous neighbours will start encroaching our territory in the hope that liberarians like you in the Indian Establishment will not fight for it and just raise their hands up .....

People like you (and i dont mean you personally, i am talking about the ideology) are a threat to the very fabric that is called society and due to soft people like you, we are fighting to get Kashmir back now and we lost claim to it in the first place .............. otherwise we would have won it in back in any of the previous wars ....

Only if that stupid old man "Gandhi" would not have come in the way of Sardar Patel .. we would never have lost it ....

kharub
May 23rd, 2006, 11:22 PM
hai liye hathiyaar dushman taak mein baitha udhar
aur hum taiyyaar hain seena liye apna idhar
khoon se khelenge holi gar vatan muskhil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
haath jin mein ho junoon katt te nahi talvaar se
sar jo uth jaate hain voh jhukte nahi lalkaar se
haath jin mein ho junoon katt te nahi talvaar se
sar jo uth jaate hain voh jhukte nahi lalkaar se
aur bhadkega jo shola-sa humaare dil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
hum to ghar se nikle hi the baandhkar sar pe qafan
chaahatein liin bhar liye lo bhar chale hain ye qadam
zindagi to apni mehmaan maut ki mehfil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai
dil mein tuufaanon ki toli aur nason mein inquilaab
hosh dushman ke udaa denge humein roko na aa
duur reh paaye jo humse dam kahaan manzil mein hai
sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamaare dil mein hai - 2


"phir jaroorat hai karanti ki"


Subash Bhai ,

Thanks a lot for that ...... we should not forget this spirit ... these words represent the resilient JAT spirit and the never bend down attitude

maverick6238
May 24th, 2006, 01:23 PM
we should not forget this spirit ... these words represent the resilient JAT spirit and the never bend down attitude


u r sure right kharub .....:)

singh1981
May 24th, 2006, 02:02 PM
kuch na farak padta in online petition se......
kitni petiton sign ki....kitni mails forward ki....koi farak pada...kuch nahi :mad: :mad: ....kitne log gaye yahan se ....hunger strike pai baithe logon ka saath dene ...aare saath to chod unka haal chaal poochne bhi koi nahi gaya.:mad: :mad: ...aur kisi ko kya blame karna ..main khud hi nahi gaya...

agar kuch karna hai to khul kai samne aayo...ye petiton vetiton se kuch nahi hone waala

dahiyarules
May 24th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Mate i totally disagree , i donot know what kind of principles or ideology you pursue ... but it does not seem to have the feel of 'Jatness' to it ... your liberarian soft hearted ideas do not represent the ideologically sound, dying for what they believe in, fighting for what is theirs- Jats

Kashmir is an integral part of India ... our youth have died fighiting for it and you are trying to say that their sacrifice was infact a mistake or error of judgement ... ???

If we will cease claim to it, our unscrapolous neighbours will start encroaching our territory in the hope that liberarians like you in the Indian Establishment will not fight for it and just raise their hands up .....

People like you (and i dont mean you personally, i am talking about the ideology) are a threat to the very fabric that is called society and due to soft people like you, we are fighting to get Kashmir back now and we lost claim to it in the first place .............. otherwise we would have won it in back in any of the previous wars ....

Only if that stupid old man "Gandhi" would not have come in the way of Sardar Patel .. we would never have lost it ....

Well yaar! how about telling the truth to our children. Tell them what actually is, and what ought to be.

We can show them the actual map of India and say that this is what the situation is like. And then show them what ought to be the map of India, and tell them that we need to keep striving towards it.

It has nothing to do with "soft hearted libertarianism." It is all about facts and truth. Infact I am of the idea that we must have had a referendum a long time ago, to settle the problem for once and for all. Even Patel wanted it. But, I cannot go against the general opinion. If majority of India wants kashmir to be our part. Lets have it by hook or by crook. Personal emotions should never dictate public policy.

rathee369
May 25th, 2006, 04:43 AM
Mate i totally disagree , i donot know what kind of principles or ideology you pursue ... but it does not seem to have the feel of 'Jatness' to it ... your liberarian soft hearted ideas do not represent the ideologically sound, dying for what they believe in, fighting for what is theirs- Jats

Kashmir is an integral part of India ... our youth have died fighiting for it and you are trying to say that their sacrifice was infact a mistake or error of judgement ... ???

If we will cease claim to it, our unscrapolous neighbours will start encroaching our territory in the hope that liberarians like you in the Indian Establishment will not fight for it and just raise their hands up .....

People like you (and i dont mean you personally, i am talking about the ideology) are a threat to the very fabric that is called society and due to soft people like you, we are fighting to get Kashmir back now and we lost claim to it in the first place .............. otherwise we would have won it in back in any of the previous wars ....

Only if that stupid old man "Gandhi" would not have come in the way of Sardar Patel .. we would never have lost it ....

Well said Kharub, now that's the way a Jat should talk.Talking tough does not mean at all that you do not have soft corner in your heart , it just means that soft heart should not be taken as a weakness.Talk soft and carry a huge "latth" is the jat ideology in my opinion.Nehru & some of our friends are probably on the same page & that's why Kashmir is a mess today.

If somebody abducted one's mother then one should not stop calling her their mother & same is true with motherland.Referendum was never an option, this is LIBERAL SICKNESS , what was done when Kashmir's induction in India was signed was perfectly legal.

I disagree with Dhanda that online pettition se koi fayda nahi , today we are such a big market for BBC & CNN that they can not risk Indians' wrath so we do have upper hand in this case , worst case scenario it should be shown as as disputed ( the POK ) with dotted lines.

Let's do it guys.

panward
May 25th, 2006, 06:08 AM
Accept the reality dude! PoK had never been a part of India -- not at least since 1947. Nehru conceded it when India was repelling the Pak backed tribal intrusion. Not many questioned it. Subsequent Congress govts did not raise a voice, for them it was a non issue.

Two wars were fought afterwards -- and one, the 1971 was won decisively but why did not India claimed "its territory"? And then you blame CNN, BBC for the mess. Why do you want them to correct the policy faults by previous Indian governments?

Infact we have been wronged by our media which was keeping us in fool's paradise all the while. You don't feel shock when CNN, BBC show the region between the McMohan line and Nepal's northern border in China's possesion. Why? Because our media also shows the same.

Even a worthy member and "true Jat" like you did not raise the question of the Chinese occupation.

And then there is blatant intrusion going on right under our nose and we are not aware of that. Bangladeshi immigrants have changed the demography of Assam. Thanks to this immigration, muslims now constitute close to 31% of the population of Assam. If it's not checked, soon we will see another Kashmir demanding independence. My point is that rather than wasting your energy on what never was a part of India, focus your reserves on what currently is and, God forbid, may not be in the future.

Back to PoK, the realistic solution is accepting the LoC as the international border. And mind you India is more than keen to do that it's Pakistan which is not relenting.

Mate i totally disagree , i donot know what kind of principles or ideology you pursue ... but it does not seem to have the feel of 'Jatness' to it ... your liberarian soft hearted ideas do not represent the ideologically sound, dying for what they believe in, fighting for what is theirs- Jats

Kashmir is an integral part of India ... our youth have died fighiting for it and you are trying to say that their sacrifice was infact a mistake or error of judgement ... ???

If we will cease claim to it, our unscrapolous neighbours will start encroaching our territory in the hope that liberarians like you in the Indian Establishment will not fight for it and just raise their hands up .....

People like you (and i dont mean you personally, i am talking about the ideology) are a threat to the very fabric that is called society and due to soft people like you, we are fighting to get Kashmir back now and we lost claim to it in the first place .............. otherwise we would have won it in back in any of the previous wars ....

Only if that stupid old man "Gandhi" would not have come in the way of Sardar Patel .. we would never have lost it ....

desichhora
May 25th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Well accept the facts dost!

Pakistan got a part of Kashmir too. It would be misleading to show the entire territory as part of either India or Pakistan. And then China holds a small part of the territory too. Pakistan gave it China to kiss it up.

I am not trying to start a new debate here. But, it is just pointless to mislead ourselves into looking at an inaccurate map of Jammu and Kashmir.

Having aspirations to see the entire territory of J & K as part of our country is a totally different thing. But, when people look at the map like we do in India, they really think that People living in the northern territory (POK) are Indian, which is not the case.

I grew up looking at the map of India like we do in India. It was only after I got access to the internet I realized what it really looks like, and how the rest of the world looks at it.

I am just trying to make a point her. I do not wish to cause any ill-feelings either. But I think it is our moral responsibility to let our school-going children know the reality. Do not let them live under an illusion.sahi kahi bhai,we suld not live in illusion,that pok is ours, pak is not trying tooccupy pok bcoz it is already their part,instead they r trying to grab indian par of j&k. so v should try to protect wht v r hvn and not wht v hve lost.our govt is too 'darpok'..............

rathee369
May 26th, 2006, 02:50 AM
sahi kahi bhai,we suld not live in illusion,that pok is ours, pak is not trying tooccupy pok bcoz it is already their part,instead they r trying to grab indian par of j&k. so v should try to protect wht v r hvn and not wht v hve lost.our govt is too 'darpok'..............

Jaise aap POK pe se apna claim hataa logey waise hi pataa chal jayega ki in darpork bharat walo se kuchh bhi le lo ye roney ki siwaye kuchh nahi kar saktey aur kashmir , assam , bihar , bhagwaan ne chaha to haryana bhi chala jayega.

dhayal
May 29th, 2006, 02:01 PM
kuch na farak padta in online petition se......
kitni petiton sign ki....kitni mails forward ki....koi farak pada...kuch nahi :mad: :mad: ....kitne log gaye yahan se ....hunger strike pai baithe logon ka saath dene ...aare saath to chod unka haal chaal poochne bhi koi nahi gaya.:mad: :mad: ...aur kisi ko kya blame karna ..main khud hi nahi gaya...

agar kuch karna hai to khul kai samne aayo...ye petiton vetiton se kuch nahi hone waala

kese fayada nai hone wala hai jab ek chingari aag laga sakti hai, ek mashal se kai mashale jal jati hai, yaad rakhe aag humesa lagi hoti sirf hawa ki jaroorat hai.

dhayal
May 30th, 2006, 02:23 PM
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