Netaji Subash Chandra Bose

[kharub]

Dear Brethren,

There has been and still is a deep conspiracy to deprive the India public of the knowledge of the exact events surrounding the mysterious disappearence of Netaji. The political establishment especially the Congress party has done everything to cover up the facts.

He was one of the greatest leaders our nation has ever seen. These Gandhi's and Nehru's were not even near him in intellect and love for the nation.

They have tried all to wipe his name from people's memory.

Read this article , I believe this man's statement that Netaji did not die in the plane crash and that the government had a pact with the British to hand him over to them after independence, this is why he remained hidden.

There is also a story that he was in a Russian prison camp ... this also can be true , as he was an ally of Germany and Japan in second world war ..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1550383.cms

But inspite of this we will never forget him .... he will be remembered by the grateful people of this country forever .....

Jab Tak Suraj Chand Rahega ... Netaji Aapka Naam Rahega

[dahiyarules]

Thank god the commie is dead. The only good communist is a "dead communist."

I am sure if SC Bose managed to run India he would have turned India into another Soviet Union. Gandhis, Nehrus and others who followed did a pretty good job too.. But Bose would have outperformed them at screwing us up.

[panward]

Thank god the commie is dead. The only good communist is a "dead communist."

I am sure if SC Bose managed to run India he would have turned India into another Soviet Union. Gandhis, Nehrus and others who followed did a pretty good job too.. But Bose would have outperformed them at screwing us up.

He was no even a commie. He was supporting the Nazis/Japs while they fighting everyone else including USSR in WW II.

His irony was that even the Indian commies (CPI) disowned him after he shook hands with Hitler. Today his party, Forward Bloc, is a part of the combined left.

He must have been a great nationalist for sure and I respect him for that. But we are rather lucky thah Bose did not get to boss us. If he would've failed to make India Soviet Union, I successors certainly would've.

[kharub]

He was no even a commie. He was supporting the Nazis/Japs while they fighting everyone else including USSR in WW II.

His irony was that even the Indian commies (CPI) disowned him after he shook hands with Hitler. Today his party, Forward Bloc, is a part of the combined left.

He must have been a great nationalist for sure and I respect him for that. But we are rather lucky thah Bose did not get to boss us. If he would've failed to make India Soviet Union, I successors certainly would've.

Hey you two ... stop winging and critising the man for what would have happened .... had he got a chace to rule India ....... and appreciate him and his sacrifice for the nation and the people ....

Dont Crucify him for his ideology ........ in a slave nation at that point in history, I am quite sure that Socialism - with its gurantees for eqality and equal opportunity would have been the most attractive ideology ...

So stop beng wingers and sorry asses about what would have been the case - its a hypotetical question ............. just appreciate what actually did happen ..........

[panward]

Socialism - with its gurantees for eqality and equal opportunity would have been the most attractive ideology .............

Don't get swayed by sentiments pal!

All this left crap guarantee you is curbs on your freedom. After the Britishers, you would've been doing slavery to the commies and wouldn't have been in a position to say even a word!

And since when have the commies started giving equal opportunities? Regarding equility -- there idea of equility is making the rich poor than the other way round.

If you analyse properly Subhash, in quest to uproot the Firangs from India, was bringing in bigger evil in form of the Japanese in India. Now what makes you think that after driving the Britishers out, those Japs would've retreated like gentlemen leaving India to Subhash?

The unspeakable atrocities the Japanese forces committed on the Koreans (both north and south), and the Chinese which were under their subjugation remains the moot point even today when it comes to improving Sino-Japanese or Korea-Japan relations.

I reiterate that Subhash was a great nationalist and I admire him for that but I will also reiterate that the defeat of Axis powers and Netaji's untimely death was a blessing in disguise for India.

[kharub]

Don't get swayed by sentiments pal!

All this left crap guarantee you is curbs on your freedom. After the Britishers, you would've been doing slavery to the commies and wouldn't have been in a position to say even a word!

And since when have the commies started giving equal opportunities? Regarding equility -- there idea of equility is making the rich poor than the other way round.

If you analyse properly Subhash, in quest to uproot the Firangs from India, was bringing in bigger evil in form of the Japanese in India. Now what makes you think that after driving the Britishers out, those Japs would've retreated like gentlemen leaving India to Subhash?

The unspeakable atrocities the Japanese forces committed on the Koreans (both north and south), and the Chinese which were under their subjugation remains the moot point even today when it comes to improving Sino-Japanese or Korea-Japan relations.

I reiterate that Subhash was a great nationalist and I admire him for that but I will also reiterate that the defeat of Axis powers and Netaji's untimely death was a blessing in disguise for India.


Mate let me tell you something .. dont sit on ur PC in an independant India and comment on the circumstance that prevailed at that point in time in our history.......... you were not there ... so dont be judgemental .... the ills of communism are knows now .. at that time it was a very appealing philosophy ...

Yes socialism does not benefit anyone .. but we have realised it now after seeing the fate and evils of socialism .... so you are nobody to slam Bose based on the facts we have today .......... because they were not present then .......

DO U GET MY POINT ???

[gandasa]

Kharb is right .........
India was too strong to get stuck with socialists even in
preindependence time ........ May be that would have been good for India
That would not have partitioned the country..............
What gandhi, nehru has done .... we are still paying for it
1962 war with china , simla agreement
Weak people ...weak leadership
What they are doing now .....bringing more quotas , Bogus US nuclear
deal................. India could have been Nuclear power in 1970s....

[panward]

Mate let me tell you something .. dont sit on ur PC in an independant India and comment on the circumstance that prevailed at that point in time in our history.......... you were not there ... so dont be judgemental .... the ills of communism are knows now .. at that time it was a very appealing philosophy ...

Yes socialism does not benefit anyone .. but we have realised it now after seeing the fate and evils of socialism .... so you are nobody to slam Bose based on the facts we have today .......... because they were not present then ....... DO U GET MY POINT ???

Facts were there to be seen even at that point in time. Do you know even Hitler rose to power using that socialist propaganda? Hitler's Nazi party was actually National Socialist German Workers Party.

You don't believe in hypothesis and I am particulary vulnerable to it.

If Hitler would've accidentally died in mid 1930s, he would've also been hero-worshipped in Germany today. Only when he came into power did he show the other and ruthless side of his personality.

Lastly boss, it's not me who is judgemental. Look at you, you don't want to discuss and debate. You just want all of us echo ur sentiments without questioning them. Sorry mate I'll stick to my gun.

[kharub]

Facts were there to be seen even at that point in time. Do you know even Hitler rose to power using that socialist propaganda? Hitler's Nazi party was actually National Socialist German Workers Party.

You don't believe in hypothesis and I am particulary vulnerable to it.

If Hitler would've accidentally died in mid 1930s, he would've also been hero-worshipped in Germany today. Only when he came into power did he show the other and ruthless side of his personality.

Lastly boss, it's not me who is judgemental. Look at you, you don't want to discuss and debate. You just want all of us echo ur sentiments without questioning them. Sorry mate I'll stick to my gun.

My dear friend I have read Hitler's "Mein Kemf" ...... and for your kind information ... Hitler hated the communists .. he despised them ..... he was the biggest anti-communist in this whole world ....

He hated the communists with the same vengence as he hated the jews ...

and i am not sticking to my emotions ... you are stating your opinion and emotions .. what i am doing is just stating facts .........

[panward]

My dear friend I have read Hitler's "Mein Kemf" ...... and for your kind information ... Hitler hated the communists .. he despised them ..... he was the biggest anti-communist in this whole world ....

He hated the communists with the same vengence as he hated the jews ...

and i am not sticking to my emotions ... you are stating your opinion and emotions .. what i am doing is just stating facts .........

Thanks for the Enlightment. Now I am going to write a book 'Mein Erwecken' (My Awakening) and would dedicate it you. Jokes apart, I would advise you to put up some research as well while you read a book. 'Mein Kampf' was written by Hitler during early 1920s during his years of imprisionment.

It was after that period, the world saw The Great Depression. Factories closed down and millions of people, except for USSR, across the world lost their jobs and livelihood.

The depression was seen as failure of private ownership and made socialism even more popular. It was during this era that the Nazi party changed its stance to appeal to labour and farming community alongside working middleclass.

Infact, Hitler mingled the left ideology with militant chauvinistic nationalism to rise to power.

That interests always outlive ideologies was clear when Hitler joined hands with Commie Stalin and made a Non Aggression pact in 1939 which lasted until 1941.

[kharub]

Thanks for the Enlightment. Now I am going to write a book 'Mein Erwecken' (My Awakening) and would dedicate it you. Jokes apart, I would advise you to put up some research as well while you read a book. 'Mein Kampf' was written by Hitler during early 1920s during his years of imprisionment.

It was after that period, the world saw The Great Depression. Factories closed down and millions of people, except for USSR, across the world lost their jobs and livelihood.

The depression was seen as failure of private ownership and made socialism even more popular. It was during this era that the Nazi party changed its stance to appeal to labour and farming community alongside working middleclass.

Infact, Hitler mingled the left ideology with militant chauvinistic nationalism to rise to power.

That interests always outlive ideologies was clear when Hitler joined hands with Commie Stalin and made a Non Aggression pact in 1939 which lasted until 1941.


My dear friend do not try to manipulate the issue .... we were talking about Hitler's core beliefs not the political philosophy of the Nazi party and the longetivity of ideologies .......

This book you quoted .. never heard of it mate and could not find it anywhere ....... i do not claim my self to be as well read as you ... .. so please give me a bit more detail on that book

And i very well know when Mein Kemf was written .. and under what circumstances .. but thanks anyway for the info ....

Mein Kemf was the true reflection of Hitlers beliefs ... "Hitler wrote of his hatred towards what he believed were the world's twin evils : Communism and Judaism. He said his aim was to eradicate both from the face of the earth".

Rudolf Jung was the guy who coined the term national socialism and persuaded hitler to name his party as such ..... he penned the ideology too .. Hitlers contribution was in the field of foreign affairs


Nazi party was - Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism

The changing of ideologies is a completely different issue ...

and the alliance between Hitler and Stalin was not because of similar ideologies or Hitlers love for communism or Stalin .... he despised both Slavic race and communists .... it was just a marriage of convinience under those circumstances ...........

[ram6april]

Dear Brethren,

There has been and still is a deep conspiracy to deprive the India public of the knowledge of the exact events surrounding the mysterious disappearence of Netaji. The political establishment especially the Congress party has done everything to cover up the facts.

He was one of the greatest leaders our nation has ever seen. These Gandhi's and Nehru's were not even near him in intellect and love for the nation.

They have tried all to wipe his name from people's memory.

Read this article , I believe this man's statement that Netaji did not die in the plane crash and that the government had a pact with the British to hand him over to them after independence, this is why he remained hidden.

There is also a story that he was in a Russian prison camp ... this also can be true , as he was an ally of Germany and Japan in second world war ..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1550383.cms

But inspite of this we will never forget him .... he will be remembered by the grateful people of this country forever .....

Jab Tak Suraj Chand Rahega ... Netaji Aapka Naam Rahega


khuraab sahab.. one thing is that as u hav written in ur location.... that shows u doing kind of research ...............
..........anyway there is no doubt that Netaji was such a grt personalty that no one is near to him............ as we hav heard lots rumors abt his death... which made his death one of big mystries......... But try to read his details(netaji) he never shows that he is kind of man who can hide himself .. he was true nation lover....... so there is no point that he was alive after independence........... if he was or is... i dont think that he stays so quite.......... he must come in the FRONT DESK......as we read lots stories abt him.. nd his leadership nd his relations with hitler's blaa blaa blaa........ ...... well i m not reasercher or also not a history student but i always keep in to8uch with current affairs.... nd as i think he was such a gr8 man that not only me everyone read abt him wen we see anything in newspaper or any magzine... BUT..... or say BIG BUT...... jk......... its not possible for the person .... to hide himself who is always trying to do something for nation........... as i beleive in taht he may not died in AIR CRASH...... but thats sure that either he was killed or died... on the same period.. all those are saying that i have seen him on taht day .. blaa blaa........ is tottaly wrong........i strongly beleive that he was such a grt person taht if he was alive after independence he must come on front desk.. n let ppl know that its ME........ the person who can build his own army.. .. and think that big.... will never hide himself..................

well all this is my opinion... ... as we also discuss abt grt personalties not always but sometimes..... so this all is from that.. n what i read in scholl n papers.............

[panward]

Mate! It's something offtopic. You seem to admire Hitler too. Tell me you do. Please forgive me but maine aapki jasoosi ki aur pata chala ke;) you are an authoritarian. Your vehement support for Subhash, dare I venture to say, has something to do with your political beliefs.

Regarding the book, your not hearing has nothing to do with ignorance coz any well read man might not have heard about it.

You will get it some five years down the line when I'll send it to you for writing its preface.

Regards
-Daksh

My dear friend do not try to manipulate the issue .... we were talking about Hitler's core beliefs not the political philosophy of the Nazi party and the longetivity of ideologies .......

This book you quoted .. never heard of it mate and could not find it anywhere ....... i do not claim my self to be as well read as you ... .. so please give me a bit more detail on that book

And i very well know when Mein Kemf was written .. and under what circumstances .. but thanks anyway for the info ....

Mein Kemf was the true reflection of Hitlers beliefs ... "Hitler wrote of his hatred towards what he believed were the world's twin evils : Communism and Judaism. He said his aim was to eradicate both from the face of the earth".

Rudolf Jung was the guy who coined the term national socialism and persuaded hitler to name his party as such ..... he penned the ideology too .. Hitlers contribution was in the field of foreign affairs


Nazi party was - Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism

The changing of ideologies is a completely different issue ...

and the alliance between Hitler and Stalin was not because of similar ideologies or Hitlers love for communism or Stalin .... he despised both Slavic race and communists .... it was just a marriage of convinience under those circumstances ...........

[kharub]

Mate! It's something offtopic. You seem to admire Hitler too. Tell me you do. Please forgive me but maine aapki jasoosi ki aur pata chala ke;) you are an authoritarian. Your vehement support for Subhash, dare I venture to say, has something to do with your political beliefs.

Regarding the book, your not hearing has nothing to do with ignorance coz any well read man might not have heard about it.

You will get it some five years down the line when I'll send it to you for writing its preface.

Regards
-Daksh


Okay then i will wait for the book .... I am a patient man .. no worries :D

Do I admire Hitler ?? - Definately not

I admire his intellegence - his natural ability to look at everything in depth .. look at every minute detail ... his carisma ..... his spell binding confidence and genius ...... but the same was true for Ravan .. Ravan was known to be highy intellegent and supremely brilliant ..... but that does not make him a God ... he was still the bad guy

Denounce evil .. but appreciate the good too ...

I definately do not side at all with the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Slavs

And just out of interest .. how did you come to find out about my ideological inclinations ???

I do not believe in authorotarianism .... but i do believe that a leader must be powerful enough to implement policies which are good for the nation and should have the authority to rule without hinderance to see development and social welfare ..... not the cheap political games being played in the Indian Politics

A leader should definately be elected , but an en-mass electoral system is not the best way to elect a government in a country as diverse as India, where the politicians bank on the differences and often nurture differences just for the sake of votes and to maintain dominence.

For the development fo this country we should have a selective voting model of some kind .........

[raj2rif]

Dear All,

I am pained to see the comments made about Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, by few members who probably are not aware of the true history.

Firstly, Netaji was a Congressman himself and had won the election of the President of that party in I think 1931 against the candidate supported by Mr. Gandhi. That speaks all about his own popularity with in the party at that time. He had also qualified for ICS examinamtion.

When the Hindu - Muslim riots broke down at the time of partition, both Mr. Nehru and Mr. Patel were found wanting to manage the forces available to them and they both took the help of Mr. Mountbaten. As against this, Mr. Bose organized those people in to a fighting machine who either left British Forces to join him volutnarily or deserted the army. That too against all odds. By no means it was a small achievement. That showed that Netaji had exceptional organizing capabilities and iron will to succeed.

I think party formed by Netaji was "Republican Party" and not Foward Block as some one has mentioned. But I would not go in to the debate as to which party was formed by him. The point here is if, the party formed by him has joined or has supported the communist government, that does not make Netaji a communist himself. Imagine, Ch. Charan Singh always considering Jansangh untouchable (Baniyon ki party) and did form a government himself to throw the Congress away. Does that make Ch. Charan Singh a Jansanghi. Further his own son has been the minister in the BJP government. Here there was not a question of throwing away Congress government also. Does Ch. Charan Singh becomes Jansanghi for that reason?

Even if you call him communist, I would say, he was probably the better of leaders than with in the congress. Even though he did not believe in Mr. Gandhi's philosophy, he had the courage to leave the congress at the time when the majority of party was with him just to ensure that Gandhi remained with the congress and the freedom movement. No mean sacrifice for a politician.

[scsheorayan]

What a reward Netaji gets from very people for whose independence he sacrificed so much. Those who had the opportunity to meet Azad Hind members and learn about his leadership will not be so judgemental. Under the circumstances what he achieved was not a mean feat and no one has matched his charisma and strength of character. How ridiculous is the hypothesis that a strong leader would have been bad for free India. Vallabh Bhai Patel is known for his inner strength but from what we know about Netaji it would be a reasonable assumption to say that has Netaji been around Indian political scene would have been much different and there would have been no room for dynasty as we see to-day. That may be the cause of his untimely disappearance. Why did he make friends with Japanese or Germans is not difficult to assume because he could not find allies in those whom he was trying to overthrow. Every thing in life is contigent on situation. Situation at the time dictated his actions which he undertook fearlessly. If present leadership shows half of his courage India will be a much stronger nation. Those who condemn strength probably fail to see the obvious that world admires and respects strength and not holier than thou sentiments. Netaji has been a role model for lot of Indians from our generation likes of which are not seen around. It hurts to learn that within a generation how we have forgotten the sacrifices made by our forefathers. Civilisation of a nation is known from the respect it gives to it's seniors. India used to be civilised and children learned to respect elders, is it still true ? Perhaps not, this thread is the evidence and testimony of it.

[kharub]

[B]Respected Shoeoran Uncle,

There are some people who find self gratitude in critising others.

They think that they are intellectuals and well versed with worldly knowlegde and thus have an authority to pass judgement on self-sacrificing, ever inspiring personalities like Netaji, at the comfort of their reclining chairs in airconditioned rooms.

In my opinion they are ungrateful, thankless and ignorant - to the very people whose sacrifices bestowed upon them the privilages they are enjoying in life, and the privilages that blind them to what this country went through not so long ago.

Make a sacrifice as big as the one made by Netaji and then you will have a right to say whatever you want and we will listen to you with all due respect.

[sampuran]

Thank god the commie is dead. The only good communist is a "dead communist."

I am sure if SC Bose managed to run India he would have turned India into another Soviet Union. Gandhis, Nehrus and others who followed did a pretty good job too.. But Bose would have outperformed them at screwing us up.

Bhai Sumit tere se ye asha na thi !

Just because the Forward Bloc decided to join hands with commies does not mean Subhash was one.

Pl read these two books and then come back with oyur comments.

A Witness Unto Him

The Sign of the Tiger



Elsewhere whatever Khrub and Sheoran saheb have said makes lot of sense. With limited knowledge we cant make loose comments. People like Subhash sacrificed their lives for the whole country.... And we are commenting from the airconditioned drawing rooms !

[narenderkharb]

Netaji was one of those great freedom fighters who sacrificed each and every thing for this country
It is difficult to digest how people who are enjoying at the cost of their sacrifices could be so ungreatful to them.

[vijay]

Its really disgusting that some people have stupid thinking about our Netaji S C Bose.


Ok. guys you can write anything now freely on ur computer at your comfort but just try to imagine situation when we were not Independent and our brothers and elders were fighting for our future. How can u forget that ? they didn't fought for themselves but they fought for us and our future.


I will not say anything about the persons who admires Gandhi and Nehru, its their likings and that reflects in their thinking. Who cares.



Subhsah bose was really a Indian soul who cares for the country. What he did ( Germans or Japs ) was just for the sake of India.


Enimy's enimy is our friend. Just like that.


He was against Soviet Union and China and i am surprised some people calling him a communist.


Any answer ?

[panward]

Please skip to the next post

[kharub]

Mate you were not asking questions ... you were being judgemental .. admit it

I know you are a jat and you have a natural stubborn streak ... but your remarks were judgemental .... Pure & Simple

[panward]

With due respect sir, I find the hypothesis that Netaji's untimely death was a blessing in disguise for India equally credible, if not more than that he could have laid foundations for a stronger India.

For you, all may be well that ends well but I attach as much importance to the means as I do to the end result.

Now regarding disrespecting Netaji in my 'stupid' observation, atleast I can plead not guilty. I said I admire the man for his nationalism. Now I believe in asking questions, however silly and stupid, and not accepting anything on the face of it. If that tantamount to disrespect, then yes I am guilty of that. However, I am not apologetic for that.

Lastly, if you think 'stupid' remarks like those have offended some people and hurt their sentiments (which precisely seems the case), I would welcome an official warning from your side and at the same time venture to suggest you to earmark the 'Holy Cows' so that next time one could more watchful while passing an opinion.

With regards from:
-Daksh

Not the quarry but the chase,
Not the trophy but the race.

What a reward Netaji gets from very people for whose independence he sacrificed so much. Those who had the opportunity to meet Azad Hind members and learn about his leadership will not be so judgemental. Under the circumstances what he achieved was not a mean feat and no one has matched his charisma and strength of character. How ridiculous is the hypothesis that a strong leader would have been bad for free India. Vallabh Bhai Patel is known for his inner strength but from what we know about Netaji it would be a reasonable assumption to say that has Netaji been around Indian political scene would have been much different and there would have been no room for dynasty as we see to-day. That may be the cause of his untimely disappearance. Why did he make friends with Japanese or Germans is not difficult to assume because he could not find allies in those whom he was trying to overthrow. Every thing in life is contigent on situation. Situation at the time dictated his actions which he undertook fearlessly. If present leadership shows half of his courage India will be a much stronger nation. Those who condemn strength probably fail to see the obvious that world admires and respects strength and not holier than thou sentiments. Netaji has been a role model for lot of Indians from our generation likes of which are not seen around. It hurts to learn that within a generation how we have forgotten the sacrifices made by our forefathers. Civilisation of a nation is known from the respect it gives to it's seniors. India used to be civilised and children learned to respect elders, is it still true ? Perhaps not, this thread is the evidence and testimony of it.

[panward]

Judgement and opinions have a fine line of distinction. While the former is obligatory, you can easily disagree with the latter. I am in no capacity to pass judgements. Hope this part is clear.
Mate you were not asking questions ... you were being judgemental .. admit it

I know you are a jat and you have a natural stubborn streak ... but your remarks were judgemental .... Pure & Simple

[panward]

......
He was against Soviet Union and China and i am surprised some people calling him a communist.


Any answer ?

China, correct me if I am wrong, was not a communist state at that point in time. It became one after 1949. Regarding the USSR, he went to Stalin before he forged alliance with the Axis powers.

[panward]

And just out of interest .. how did you come to find out about my ideological inclinations ???

Well...before curiosity kills our big cat, let me reveal I found it on Gumshuda Talash Kendra, I mn orkut.

[raj2rif]

Dear Daksh,

You have all rights to ask questions and express your opinion. The problem is that I don't see any questions being asked. Shaking hands with Hitler to fight for our independence probably was not the bad things to do. I understand that by joining the Japneese in Burma, just made life difficult for allied forces. We also understand that who knows, Japaneese would have taken control of our nation if let us say Allied forces were defeated. But in that case it would have been a similar situation in Europe and rest of the world as well. Obviously, both Germany and Japan would have looked for some alliances to consolidate their gains and in that eventuality probably Netaji's closeness with them would have helped the Nation to get its freedom, for that was the basic reason for him to join them.

Probably I am not as well read as you are on Netaji's philosophy, but I don't see any thing about he trying to convert India into a communist country.

Could you please substantiate your claims on this issue.

[rohittewatia]

I wish netaji had lived a couple of more years. It could have been a different india alltogether. Netaji was such a powerful and influential leader and yet down to earth. He defeated Gandhi's candidate in congress yearly elections and gandhi admitted that it was his personal defeat.

He was a visionary and true deish bhakt.

[panward]

Respected sir,
My original claim, which I wrote as a reply to Sumit Dahiya, go against Subhash being a communist. My key observation is that Netaji's untimely death -- or disappearence as some would claim -- was a blessing in disguise for India.

Disclaimer: I don't possess a vast knowledge about the life and times of the man so correct me If I am wrong.

I entirely agree to the hypothesis you made but I differ at one point where you mentioned ''its freedom''. Whose freedom are we talking about? Indians would simply have jumped from frying pan into fire in that scenario. From the clutches of one authoritarian (the Britishers) to another.

Now here one may say Netaji's authority would not have been all that bad but make no mistake it would have been Hitler's indirect authority.

Frankly, of all I would not have trusted my life in that paranoid man's hands. The more Hitler would have tried to assert his rule, the more there were chances of a confrontation between him and Subhash. Result you can imagine.

Now let's take another assumption. If Subhas would have overthrown the Britishers and Japs would have retreated, would the great man have opted for democracy in India. I doubt.

Things would have been all right, Ok i concede great, until he would have lived and ruled but what after him? There were chances that India would have been like Junta's Myanmar, or General Jia's Pakistan and voices of dissent if any, like mine, might have been silenced once and for all.

I believe that democracy despite its ills and evils has been the best thing that has happened to India. If in one of the other thread, you Col Saab dissatisfied with government can propose to launch a new party, it is because of democracy. Who knows in post-Subhas era, one might have been condemned for life just for raising the issue like a Zhao Ziyang or a Suu Kyi.

Dear Daksh,

You have all rights to ask questions and express your opinion. The problem is that I don't see any questions being asked. Shaking hands with Hitler to fight for our independence probably was not the bad things to do. I understand that by joining the Japneese in Burma, just made life difficult for allied forces. We also understand that who knows, Japaneese would have taken control of our nation if let us say Allied forces were defeated. But in that case it would have been a similar situation in Europe and rest of the world as well. Obviously, both Germany and Japan would have looked for some alliances to consolidate their gains and in that eventuality probably Netaji's closeness with them would have helped the Nation to get its freedom, for that was the basic reason for him to join them.

Probably I am not as well read as you are on Netaji's philosophy, but I don't see any thing about he trying to convert India into a communist country.

Could you please substantiate your claims on this issue.

[panward]

I think party formed by Netaji was "Republican Party" and not Foward Block as some one has mentioned.

Please visit:http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/F_0171.htm

[raj2rif]

Please visit:http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/F_0171.htm

Dear Daksh,

I have already admitted in my previous post that probably I am not as well read on Netaji as you may be, and thus, whether he formed forward bloc or Republican Party really has no meaning. The issues raised by me are still unanswered by you. Let us discuss those issues.

[sampuran]

Respected sir,

Now here one may say Netaji's authority would not have been all that bad but make no mistake it would have been Hitler's indirect authority.

Frankly, of all I would not have trusted my life in that paranoid man's hands. The more Hitler would have tried to assert his rule, the more there were chances of a confrontation between him and Subhash. Result you can imagine.

Now let's take another assumption. If Subhas would have overthrown the Britishers and Japs would have retreated, would the great man have opted for democracy in India. I doubt.

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Daksh bhai, Subhash was no fool. He had realised the nuisance and dangers of both Nazism and Japanese. So he had made it very 2 explicitly clear to Hitler ( and the Japs too) that Azad Hind Fauj will fight only against the Brits, and only under his command, and only for the liberation of India. Hitler was compelled to garntd him the status of a Head of State, even though Subhash was virtually a pauper in Germany.

As far as the Japs is concerned, remember the transferred the Andaman Islands to Subhash ( Provisional Govt of India) and then only did the fighting progress into Indian territory in NE.

So your apprehension that either Germans or Japs would have replaced the British imperialists is incorrect.

Whether Subhash would have turned out to be a democrat or something else, is a matter of speculation. Each one can have a view point, but thats of academic interest.
Again, it is Subhash who resigned from Cong presidentship, when Gandhi refused to co-operat, rather than indulging in brinkmanship that an autocrat would do. As Mayor of Calcutta he had shown no signs of being dictatorial. In fact, he Commanded the Azad hind Fauj in an examplary manner, not so much like a "fauji" but a kshatriya-cum-sage.

To my mind he was far far more freedom loving than Nehru.

[rathee369]

Daksh I think you are amongst the most articulate young members on this site & I must say that your analysis is atleast quite thorough if not correct. The point that Col. Saheb can see you can not see & that has nothing to do with your knowledge but it's the timing of the talks & analysis.

You are talking in times of 16 years after opening doors of Indian economy to free trade or "capitalism" we can sit back & talk all bad about communism/socialism but back in those days these were revolutionary ideas that really got attention+support of the masses to fight for 2 WAQT KI ROTI which capitalism did not provide at that time . Keep in mind that most of our revolutionaries/"krantikaari" were inspired by Marx & Lenin.

As for Bose , I think he should be better left alone as a hero because by painting him as a bad person would be like prosecuting a person before one committs a crime.We should just judge him from what he did & not what he could have or could not have .

[kharub]

With due respect sir, I find the hypothesis that Netaji's untimely death was a blessing in disguise for India equally credible

For you, all may be well that ends well but I attach as much importance to the means as I do to the end result.

Now I believe in asking questions, however silly and stupid, and not accepting anything on the face of it. If that tantamount to disrespect, then yes I am guilty of that. However, I am not apologetic for that.

Lastly, if you think 'stupid' remarks like those have offended some people and hurt their sentiments (which precisely seems the case), I would welcome an official warning from your side and at the same time venture to suggest you to earmark the 'Holy Cows' so that next time one could more watchful while passing an opinion.

With regards from:
-Daksh

Not the quarry but the chase,
Not the trophy but the race.


Mate you are stating your opinion and being judgemental .. you are not being inquisitive .... you are putting forward a statetemnt not a question ..

What could have happened is a completely different issue ........... ???

Who can accurately predict what might have been ???

so dont imagine yourself to be Yaksh ....

Dont taint the reality on the basis of your imagination ....

Dont cry foul for what could have happened .... just acknowledge what actually did happen

The end result you are talking about is mere speculation on your part - you cant go on defaming heavenly figures like Netaji because of your figment of imagination and your assesment based on unaccurate hypothesis

All the fact present suggest a complete opposite scenario .... India under Netaji would have been a secular, undivided, advanced nation with a flourishing democracy and no caste barriers ........

Netaji's untimely death was a curse on the India nation and the people .....

[vijay]

Regarding the USSR, he went to Stalin before he forged alliance with the Axis powers.


What's wrong in that if he went to Stalin, he just wanted some allies who can help him in the fight with British. Stalin was not interested so he had only one option, Hitler.

But one thing is sure what he did was just for India and nothing was personal in that. We should accept that.

Please let aside his ideology and think what he did for India. That matters really and rest is imagination.

[panward]

Boss!

A question doesn't necessarily ends with a question mark.

Neways Bhai Kharab Sahab! badi thadi galti kar di mainey es thread pe likh kai. Hum hi chhotte babba ke ban lenge. Aap apna blood pressure na badhao.

Ek baar sab zor se nara lagao.

Netaji Subash! ...................Amar Rahen.

I am off the debate.

With regards from:
-Daksh



Mate you are stating your opinion and being judgemental .. you are not being inquisitive .... you are putting forward a statetemnt not a question ..

What could have happened is a completely different issue ........... ???

Who can accurately predict what might have been ???

so dont imagine yourself to be Yaksh ....

Dont taint the reality on the basis of your imagination ....

Dont cry foul for what could have happened .... just acknowledge what actually did happen

The end result you are talking about is mere speculation on your part - you cant go on defaming heavenly figures like Netaji because of your figment of imagination and your assesment based on unaccurate hypothesis

All the fact present suggest a complete opposite scenario .... India under Netaji would have been a secular, undivided, advanced nation with a flourishing democracy and no caste barriers ........

Netaji's untimely death was a curse on the India nation and the people .....