Rahul Mahajan, his alikes and Indian Politics

[rkumar]

Whole episode of Rahul Mahajan tells the sorry state of affairs going on behind the scene in India's politics. It seems terrorists, smugglers, drug peddlers and all sorts of criminals have planted their moles in the offices of powerful politicians. No one will believe that Police does not know about happenings, but may be their hands are tight to take any action. God knows how many Rahul Mahajans are there in political households. Whole thing looks very scary. Are we in India once again at the same point of time as we were when Mughal Empire was falling and Red Fort was the den of pimps and prostitutes? Hasn't time come for Indian public to audit our political system and take some radical measures before its too late?

Rajendra

[chhillar]

Its not terrorists, smugglers, drug peddlers and all sorts of criminals who have planted their moles in the offices of powerful politicians, in fact it's other way round and then why blame just Rahul Mahajan, was his father oblivious of what Rahul was during after all he had been an Information and Broadcast Minister. Didn't Devi Lal know what Chautala was and how come such a so called Masiha could not get even the basic education to his own dangars Ajay and Abhey.... http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060605/haryana.htm#1

Indian public to audit politicians? Mostly public bhee to inhi ke sath he RK saab if not how come they are so powerful. I won't be surprised if Rahul Mahajan becomes All India Youth BJP President tomorow.....

Bajpai to keh raha he ki Jawani mein aisi galatiyan ho jati hein....aik nashedi doosre nashedi ke liye aur kahe bhi to kya

Par sare aik se na sein RK Saab, achhe bhi bahut hein...Deepender Singh Hooda is the perfect example of that...I have all the high regard for politicians like Ch. Bhupende Singh Hooda who inspite of coming from a powerful farmer and political family got his kids the best of education and sanskaar and now everybody knows the kind of example Deepender is setting for youth and difference he is making in politics

[shailendra]

Kya pata kya ho raha hai!
This guy who lost his father less than a month back, is already living life high on drug and booze parties!...
The whole thing is murkier than the back sewers of a clogged Mumbai drainage!!!.........

Log kehte hain desh aage ja raha hai, bhai kuchh kaamo mein to aage ja hee raha hai.....lagta hai sabse aage paunch kar hi dumm lega!

[chhillar]

Kya pata kya ho raha hai!
This guy who lost his father less than a month back, is already living life high on drug and booze parties!...
The whole thing is murkier than the back sewers of a clogged Mumbai drainage!!!.........

Log kehte hain desh aage ja raha hai, bhai kuchh kaamo mein to aage ja hee raha hai.....lagta hai sabse aage paunch kar hi dumm lega!


He was already high on drugs and alcohol...I don't think its just his father's death. Shame on these politicians whose own kids are rotten eggs, what can we expect from them for our kids...

[rkumar]

Rahul Mahajan is only the tip of iceberg. God only knows how many Rahul Mahajans are already there in politics and how many are waiting in wings. Actions of majority of relatives of politicians need to be watched who are committing many crimes in the name of their politician mentor.

RK^2

[ratananmol]

Amit Bhai:
Really well said; i guess with these words we are on the same side of the political spectrum. Esp. your comment on Atal Bihari are well placed.

Its not terrorists, smugglers, drug peddlers and all sorts of criminals who have planted their moles in the offices of powerful politicians, in fact it's other way round and then why blame just Rahul Mahajan, was his father oblivious of what Rahul was during after all he had been an Information and Broadcast Minister. Didn't Devi Lal know what Chautala was and how come such a so called Masiha could not get even the basic education to his own dangars Ajay and Abhey.... http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060605/haryana.htm#1

Indian public to audit politicians? Mostly public bhee to inhi ke sath he RK saab if not how come they are so powerful. I won't be surprised if Rahul Mahajan becomes All India Youth BJP President tomorow.....

Bajpai to keh raha he ki Jawani mein aisi galatiyan ho jati hein....aik nashedi doosre nashedi ke liye aur kahe bhi to kya

Par sare aik se na sein RK Saab, achhe bhi bahut hein...Deepender Singh Hooda is the perfect example of that...I have all the high regard for politicians like Ch. Bhupende Singh Hooda who inspite of coming from a powerful farmer and political family got his kids the best of education and sanskaar and now everybody knows the kind of example Deepender is setting for youth and difference he is making in politics

[sampuran]

Whole episode of Rahul Mahajan tells the sorry state of affairs going on behind the scene in India's politics. It seems terrorists, smugglers, drug peddlers and all sorts of criminals have planted their moles in the offices of powerful politicians. No one will believe that Police does not know about happenings, but may be their hands are tight to take any action. God knows how many Rahul Mahajans are there in political households. Whole thing looks very scary. Are we in India once again at the same point of time as we were when Mughal Empire was falling and Red Fort was the den of pimps and prostitutes? Hasn't time come for Indian public to audit our political system and take some radical measures before its too late?

Rajendra

Bhai saheb
These are called "Ameer baap ki bigdi aulaad". We look around and countless examples can be seen whether it be politicians' children or elite class of govt offficials, big businessmen etc etc. Very few people realise that the pelf of power is fragile, transient. Inculcating right sanskaar in the children is more important than providing all the luxuries and support (sifarish) to get them sellted in money making carrers.

There is another parallel to the crumbling Mughal empire, India of 11th century. "Rajtarangini" gives a graphic account of Kashmiri society and especially the raajgharana of that time. Much similarity existed in many other parts.

Whoever said history repeats...... will always prove true

[raj2rif]

We have many Dhritrashtra in our society. Ch. Devi Lal played that role for Mr. Chautala, while Mrs. Indira Gandhi did same for Mr. Sanjay Gandhi. I am sure Late Pramod Mahajan would have known about what his son is doing. All you know he might have been instrumental in Rahul getting access to it. If his own secy was involved, I am sure he knew about it very well. and being a minister and public servent, it was his duty to book the guilty. Only in this case he might have been as guilty as his secy or son.

Let us see, how these politician manipulate the system to get him out of it. He may be our future Minister.

[birbal]

I am amazed that this discussion is focused on Rahul Mahajan, as if Pramod Mahajan was any better. Essentially, Pramod Mahajan was the boss of professional goondas and his assets have been estimated to be as much as Rs. 10,000 Crores without any official source of income. He was the second person to have such strong criminal connections in Bombay in the past 50 years. The first one I knew as a student in IIT Bombay, was S.K Patil, who led a luxurious lifestyle as the "boss of Bombay".

If one looks at the history of post-indendence India, the first batch of leaders like Nehru, were idealists who had grandiose dreams for the country, but had had no real connection with the masses despite being admired by the masses. Soon after independence, the criminal elements realized the power of money in democratic elections, and entered mainly as financiers from behind the scenes. Next, they decided to enter the political field directly, and now a days large numbers of hard core criminals like Pramod Mahajan are among the elected officials.

[shailendra]

Essentially, Pramod Mahajan was the boss of professional goondas and his assets have been estimated to be as much as Rs. 10,000 Crores without any official source of income. He was the second person to have such strong criminal connections in Bombay in the past 50 years......................and now a days large numbers of hard core criminals like Pramod Mahajan are among the elected officials.

Hmmmm... interesting!
I have kinda always wondered ever since the news of his being shot by his own brother (5 bullets or something, right?) came out; that it seems to be something much more than meets the eye!
So now really one wonders if it is a (in his) case of living by the sword and dying by one....................???

[ratheetheraist]

Its not terrorists, smugglers, drug peddlers and all sorts of criminals who have planted their moles in the offices of powerful politicians, in fact it's other way round and then why blame just Rahul Mahajan, was his father oblivious of what Rahul was during after all he had been an Information and Broadcast Minister. Didn't Devi Lal know what Chautala was and how come such a so called Masiha could not get even the basic education to his own dangars Ajay and Abhey.... http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060605/haryana.htm#1

Indian public to audit politicians? Mostly public bhee to inhi ke sath he RK saab if not how come they are so powerful. I won't be surprised if Rahul Mahajan becomes All India Youth BJP President tomorow.....

Bajpai to keh raha he ki Jawani mein aisi galatiyan ho jati hein....aik nashedi doosre nashedi ke liye aur kahe bhi to kya

Par sare aik se na sein RK Saab, achhe bhi bahut hein...Deepender Singh Hooda is the perfect example of that...I have all the high regard for politicians like Ch. Bhupende Singh Hooda who inspite of coming from a powerful farmer and political family got his kids the best of education and sanskaar and now everybody knows the kind of example Deepender is setting for youth and difference he is making in politics

respected bhai saab.....

aap bhi itnee educated ho kee issii baat likhtee aachee naa laagtee parr.......

arr ekk baat ki samajh naa aamti humnee tey..... chautala saab kaa maaryaa itna kyukarr bhittar ball ryaa saii yaade saaaryaan kaa........ i think aap sabnee bhott zayada chinta fikar hai hamarey haryana kii......thank god

bhai saab aap comparison bhi kar gee sanskaaraan kaa arr......hahaha...........kamal kar gee katii.....

[chhillar]

respected bhai saab.....

aap bhi itnee educated ho kee issii baat likhtee aachee naa laagtee parr.......

arr ekk baat ki samajh naa aamti humnee tey..... chautala saab kaa maaryaa itna kyukarr bhittar ball ryaa saii yaade saaaryaan kaa........ i think aap sabnee bhott zayada chinta fikar hai hamarey haryana kii......thank god

bhai saab aap comparison bhi kar gee sanskaaraan kaa arr......hahaha...........kamal kar gee katii.....

just an opinion dear! Believe me or not but I personally have nothing against the above said

your signature says it all brother....Honest Differences Are Often A Healthy Sign Of Progress...

[rkumar]

If one looks at the history of post-indendence India, the first batch of leaders like Nehru, were idealists who had grandiose dreams for the country, but had had no real connection with the masses despite being admired by the masses. Soon after independence, the criminal elements realized the power of money in democratic elections, and entered mainly as financiers from behind the scenes. Next, they decided to enter the political field directly, and now a days large numbers of hard core criminals like Pramod Mahajan are among the elected officials.

Birbal Singh Ji,

This is true that there is an axis of politicians and criminals and this fact was brought out in a report few years back. There is hardly any political party, which is isolated from this. In fact axis has become much bigger involving underworld dons, film world, liquor barons and possibly terrorist elements as well. Are we reaching to a point of no return or still there are some hopes? Things look hopeless at time. On routine visits to the house of politicians I notice that their personal staff is almost full time busy in carrying out their personal business and rarely cares for visitors. Another elected member of upper house was seen busy pushing land allotments and transfers of public servants. It looks as if our parliament has become a place of brokerage. India is burning and lawmakers are busy looting the nation.

RK^2

[shailendra]

...at the cost of frustrating Birbal Singhji again! (sorry sir :o )...I would like to revert back to this murkier Rahul Mahajan case for a minute again, to prove another baffling point:

Everything said and done, us ullu ko to chhodo- can you even more believe these Hospital authorities!??!
Apparently the investigating officials now suspect a possible deliberate attempt on the part of the hospital to tamper and delay with the investigations. The Apollo Hospital supposedly earlier gave Rahul a clean chit, denying any presence of drugs in Rahul's urine samples!!!............. before of course the report was finally contradicted by a pathological lab that undoubtedly found traces of narcotics in his blood and urine samples!........

O boy, Talk about having nexuses then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chhillar]

Birbal Singh Ji,

This is true that there is an axis of politicians and criminals and this fact was brought out in a report few years back. There is hardly any political party, which is isolated from this. In fact axis has become much bigger involving underworld dons, film world, liquor barons and possibly terrorist elements as well. Are we reaching to a point of no return or still there are some hopes? Things look hopeless at time. On routine visits to the house of politicians I notice that their personal staff is almost full time busy in carrying out their personal business and rarely cares for visitors. Another elected member of upper house was seen busy pushing land allotments and transfers of public servants. It looks as if our parliament has become a place of brokerage. India is burning and lawmakers are busy looting the nation.

RK^2

With all due respect RK ji, then why do you go on routine visits to the houses such politician?

[chhillar]

...at the cost of frustrating Birbal Singhji again! (sorry sir :o )...I would like to revert back to this murkier Rahul Mahajan case for a minute again, to prove another baffling point:

Everything said and done, us ullu ko to chhodo- can you even more believe these Hospital authorities!??!
Apparently the investigating officials now suspect a possible deliberate attempt on the part of the hospital to tamper and delay with the investigations. The Apollo Hospital supposedly earlier gave Rahul a clean chit, denying any presence of drugs in Rahul's urine samples!!!............. before of course the report was finally contradicted by a pathological lab that undoubtedly found traces of narcotics in his blood and urine samples!........

O boy, Talk about having nexuses then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hit right on the nail this time

[bharatrattan]

Dear Friends,
The relation between father and family values is unrealistically judged in relation to the present crisis in Mahajan family.Pramod Mahajan is an easy target to blame but otherwise the conclusion of bad parenting resulting in drug use is flawed.
These days’ children stay a major part of their lives away from their parents to an extent that they are rebellious to their family values.
I think we are too critical about the untimely misdemeanor committed by this fellow,
nevertheless his dad deserved one more bullet.
Bharat

[anujkumar]

I think it's just Indian media's exploitation of the "shock values" attached to the case.. after all this is India's first "overdose celebrity death"!

TOI is running a whole bunch of stories about drungs these day.. like.. in SWZ they have liberal policy for Heroin use (govt. has opened shooting galleries.. where people can go have a free monitered hit for free ) in which nobody was interested earlier.

All kind of conclusions about character and so forth of all politican and so forth, being drawn from this incident is, I think, stretching it too far.

[rkumar]

With all due respect RK ji, then why do you go on routine visits to the houses such politician?

umm..bhai mere ghar me do problem hain...ek to sardiyon me dhoop kam aave aur doosre cell phone ka signal kamjor se.... pados me politician rahn kitne hi jinke ghar khulle khulle sain...dhoop sekne chala jaun jab dil kare...LOL

RK^2

[vivek_kadyan]

hi jat brotheren.
my opinion regarding this case is that Rahul Mahajan is victim of media hype.otherwise youth all around the world is addicted of a no. of drugs whoes cases are not given any imp.
it was politically driven agenda as RM belongs to a politically active family and after his father's death he was to become a young political figure.and some are unnecessarily takin interest in the case.
it is very tough time for his family and we people should not view this case with a political attitude rather as a very normal offence as happens in our society daily.
i m not justifying the use of cocaine or any stuff,it is legally,morally as well as socially wrong.
point sochan ka yo se ak agar mhara balak kuch galat karta hai to hum uspe parda dalte hai aur dusre ka balak kare to unki izzat ka faluda bana dete hai,aur ghane idealistic ho ke sochte hai
anyway it was my personal view not a universal yardstick.
brothers ib maine lecture mat pilana.
thanks n regards

[positivelook]

Dear Rk Sir

As u have written abt Indian politica and connected Rahul Mahajan with this first of all i want to say tht still Rahul Mahajan is son of a
Politician not a Politician and if he took drugs than i know lots of old politicians who used to take drugs even Ch. Devilal used to take Afim and mostly big politicians drink every day including Shila dixit and bhupender hooda and others. But does tht really make any difference. I think everyone have their personal life.
I accept tht taking drugs is not good but how can we stop all politicians from taking all these illegal drugs i dont think this is possible. There are lots of politicians who do these things.

Dear Chillar Bhai saab

U r talking abt Atal Bihari Vajpayee abt this i think u r bit harsh on him cos Vajpayee jee is really a gem in Indian Politics and he is one of the best PM India ever had. So just relax and think abt this.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[rkumar]

Dear Rk Sir

As u have written abt Indian politica and connected Rahul Mahajan with this first of all i want to say tht still Rahul Mahajan is son of a
Politician not a Politician and if he took drugs than i know lots of old politicians who used to take drugs even Ch. Devilal used to take Afim and mostly big politicians drink every day including Shila dixit and bhupender hooda and others. But does tht really make any difference. I think everyone have their personal life.
I accept tht taking drugs is not good but how can we stop all politicians from taking all these illegal drugs i dont think this is possible. There are lots of politicians who do these things.

Abhimanyu Phougat

I don't know what is your source of information on drinking habits of present Haryana CM. All I can say is that its totally wrong. Now coming to use of drugs. Use of drugs invite death penalty in many countries and their use is illegal world over. Drug dealers having close connections with prominent politicians and their sons do not bring respect to our politicians. No wonder our politicians are body searched while on overseas trips. Rulers must set good examples for the public if they want the laws of land to be followed.

RK^2

[itsnavin]

My inputs...Just to highlight the point that Rahul Mahajan is not a single example. Bahut lambi line lagi hui hai. Pramod Mahajan, infact knew everything about it but how he could have sent him to jail. His all political career could get ruined. Ghar ki baat ghar mein hee rahe to achha hai. Aur waise bhee Pramod mahajan kaun sa dhoodh ka dhula hua thaa. He was a Maharastrian goonda. As you sow so shall u reap...it wasn't an eyeopener for me.

About the drugs, alcohol trend in politics, take that it's not only in politics...it's everywhere...bollywood, page 3 circles, techies etc etc. I won't be surprised if u drag any big name in the list. Just to add to Abhimanyu's list...our Rajasthan CM Vasundhara is an alcohol fan...she starts just before sunset. About accessibility,I know guys from Pune..they told me how easily they had access to Hassis and charas...and same for IIT kanpur...Those who have the money and want it...they have it!

BUT what was max. surprising...the stand of Apollo hospital doctors. Such a big name and such acts! I don't think that we can bring everyone to good path...do good and see what other do..."Neki kar aur dariya mein daal".

Navin

[birbal]

Dear Rk Sir



Dear Chillar Bhai saab

U r talking abt Atal Bihari Vajpayee abt this i think u r bit harsh on him cos Vajpayee jee is really a gem in Indian Politics and he is one of the best PM India ever had. So just relax and think abt this.

Abhimanyu Phougat


Nothing disgusts me more than reading statements like this. Vajpayee has been connected with RSS all his life and every one knows RSS is basically a training ground for goondas. He was a British informer during pre-independence. He was involved in the murder by stabbing of one of the brightest young Jat man, Sanwat Singh, in 1948 (althogh the knife was pulled by his close associate, Virendra Saklecha, later Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh), and he is the only Prime Minister of India who is morally corrupt to the core.

[chhillar]

Dear Rk Sir

As u have written abt Indian politica and connected Rahul Mahajan with this first of all i want to say tht still Rahul Mahajan is son of a
Politician not a Politician and if he took drugs than i know lots of old politicians who used to take drugs even Ch. Devilal used to take Afim and mostly big politicians drink every day including Shila dixit and bhupender hooda and others. But does tht really make any difference. I think everyone have their personal life.
I accept tht taking drugs is not good but how can we stop all politicians from taking all these illegal drugs i dont think this is possible. There are lots of politicians who do these things.

Dear Chillar Bhai saab

U r talking abt Atal Bihari Vajpayee abt this i think u r bit harsh on him cos Vajpayee jee is really a gem in Indian Politics and he is one of the best PM India ever had. So just relax and think abt this.

Abhimanyu Phougat

Padh ke accha laga ki aap Atal saab ke fan hein...aur bhee bahoot hein...but Is there any boubt in your mind about him being an alcoholic? His statement about Mahajan was published TOI...OK...

Sheila Dixit ka to pata nahin mujhe, surpirised to read some thing like that about a lady of real substance...but Hooda saab ke bare mein to tane lagta he gusse mein aa ke likh diya diya...is baat ka koi sir per nahin he.

[viveksiwatch]

I tend to stay away from such threads. However, still thought about making one point here.

I totally agree with bharath on this point. The character of Pramod Mahajan and his son and for that matter most of contemporary politicians and their kin needs no debate. We are all well aware about this.

However, it is completely absurd to say that to buy or use drugs, one needs to have a political background. I can personally vouch for knowing atleast 30~50 students in IIT Delhi and other institutes who smoked 'pot' or grass (marijuana is the more refined form of the same) as you can call it. It is even more common in colleges like the prestigious St. Stephens in Delhi etc. Moreso, most of these students still manage to keep this phase temporary and still balance academics and life along with these things. Many of those IITians I know have completely normal lives even now and are working in good firms or studying further.

Not even among students, drugs are pretty common among the age group of 25~35 working class people in places like Delhi, Bombay and Chandigarh. Although ofcourse it is not a good thing, that is not the point here.

Generally if a medium class family parent finds about the drug habits of their 25 odd year old child, they will most probably not make it public or make a fuss about it. Similarly even for high shots-- it is highly probable that the Sr. mahajn knew well about his secretary and son, there is no big deal about that.

The point is that the personal characteristics of Rahul mahajan can not be directly attributed to his father. However, ofcourse the presonal riches and characteristics of his father are apparent and do not need to be debated on.


cheers,

~vivek
Dear Friends,
The relation between father and family values is unrealistically judged in relation to the present crisis in Mahajan family.Pramod Mahajan is an easy target to blame but otherwise the conclusion of bad parenting resulting in drug use is flawed.
These days’ children stay a major part of their lives away from their parents to an extent that they are rebellious to their family values.
I think we are too critical about the untimely misdemeanor committed by this fellow,
nevertheless his dad deserved one more bullet.
Bharat

[chhillar]

I tend to stay away from such threads. However, still thought about making one point here.

I totally agree with bharath on this point. The character of Pramod Mahajan and his son and for that matter most of contemporary politicians and their kin needs no debate. We are all well aware about this.

However, it is completely absurd to say that to buy or use drugs, one needs to have a political background. I can personally vouch for knowing atleast 30~50 students in IIT Delhi and other institutes who smoked 'pot' or grass (marijuana is the more refined form of the same) as you can call it. It is even more common in colleges like the prestigious St. Stephens in Delhi etc. Moreso, most of these students still manage to keep this phase temporary and still balance academics and life along with these things. Many of those IITians I know have completely normal lives even now and are working in good firms or studying further.

Not even among students, drugs are pretty common among the age group of 25~35 working class people in places like Delhi, Bombay and Chandigarh. Although ofcourse it is not a good thing, that is not the point here.

Generally if a medium class family parent finds about the drug habits of their 25 odd year old child, they will most probably not make it public or make a fuss about it. Similarly even for high shots-- it is highly probable that the Sr. mahajn knew well about his secretary and son, there is no big deal about that.

The point is that the personal characteristics of Rahul mahajan can not be directly attributed to his father. However, ofcourse the presonal riches and characteristics of his father are apparent and do not need to be debated on.


cheers,

~vivek

AGREED...........................

[rkumar]

I tend to stay away from such threads. However, still thought about making one point here.

I totally agree with bharath on this point. The character of Pramod Mahajan and his son and for that matter most of contemporary politicians and their kin needs no debate. We are all well aware about this.

However, it is completely absurd to say that to buy or use drugs, one needs to have a political background. I can personally vouch for knowing atleast 30~50 students in IIT Delhi and other institutes who smoked 'pot' or grass (marijuana is the more refined form of the same) as you can call it. It is even more common in colleges like the prestigious St. Stephens in Delhi etc. Moreso, most of these students still manage to keep this phase temporary and still balance academics and life along with these things. Many of those IITians I know have completely normal lives even now and are working in good firms or studying further.

Not even among students, drugs are pretty common among the age group of 25~35 working class people in places like Delhi, Bombay and Chandigarh. Although ofcourse it is not a good thing, that is not the point here.

Generally if a medium class family parent finds about the drug habits of their 25 odd year old child, they will most probably not make it public or make a fuss about it. Similarly even for high shots-- it is highly probable that the Sr. mahajn knew well about his secretary and son, there is no big deal about that.

The point is that the personal characteristics of Rahul mahajan can not be directly attributed to his father. However, ofcourse the presonal riches and characteristics of his father are apparent and do not need to be debated on.


cheers,

~vivek

I won't care hell about an IIT guy or someone who is blowing his hard earned money into drugs. However, it matters when a politician is looting public and money is going into buying drugs for his personal staff and son.

RK^2

[viveksiwatch]

Mr Rajendra,

I appreciate your anger about the same :)

The main point is that although it is good that this drug issue blew to limelight the enitre Mahajan saga, it is just an iota fraction of the massive wealth Pramod Mahajn had amassed. So I agree with you that it is public money, I am sure all things related to the lives of Jr mahajan and his alikes have the same stamp of looted money in them. So not only drugs but his other luxuries are equally to blame.

Also eventually as you can see-- the irony is that much of the 'public' remains oblivious to it, some educated and well read people like yourself and others get the anger/ sadness feelings whereas the real perpetrators live a life high on drugs and life and very oblivious to the educated and the other masses.

I am sure the long hand of law in India, would make sure that he is off the stuff for atleast a couple of weeks :D ..which obviously would be a great accomplishment.

cheers,

~vivek




I won't care hell about an IIT guy or someone who is blowing his hard earned money into drugs. However, it matters when a politician is looting public and money is going into buying drugs for his personal staff and son.

RK^2

[fool4love]

He was already high on drugs and alcohol...I don't think its just his father's death. Shame on these politicians whose own kids are rotten eggs, what can we expect from them for our kids...


I do not think Rahul Mahajan was celebrating. I read that he had problems of depression, and was on medication for a long while for that. After his dad's death the problems turned severe, and he took to an overdose of cocaine to handle it.

[shailendra]

Ok take a step back everyone and consider what we are talking about here:

1. A big politically affiliated person dies a mysterious and horrible death (even though we know his brother did it!)... and even before that is explained properly or gets a closure,
2. his Son, supposedly already a drug addict (and some news now say; a Drug dealer too) does a cocaine/heroine overdose partying in the government provided accomodation, (and the aide dies)!...
3. A big hospital then, even after all the publicity and hype of the drug overdose in the media, very 'innocently' and creatively declares that no traces of foul stuff found in the poor, mourning, simpleton son's system!...and to top it all,
3. the great Ex Prime Minister himself then throws all sense of decency demanded by his ex- chair status, publicily calls it simply a 'jawani ki bhool'!!!....

I mean come on; we can keep spinning our wheels and explain this or that, but the fact of the matter is everything in India is now politically colored....it is pathetic times when a normal person cannot figure out what is the truth and what is not.... when the highest office bearers cannot take responsibility as leaders and fairly condone a crime, Famous/reputed Hospitals give bribed/tainted reports and the citizenery is left wondering of what their day to day world has come to, when even after everything being out in the open.....shrouds of mystery are quickly and easily being draped over crimes in broad daylight!!!........

Please don't hold your breath if both Pramod Mahajan's brother and the prodigal son get off scott free after doing some small time jailtime! Welcome to the new shining politically tainted India!!!.............

[chhillar]

Ok take a step back everyone and consider what we are talking about here:

1. A big politically affiliated person dies a mysterious and horrible death (even though we know his brother did it!)... and even before that is explained properly or gets a closure,
2. his Son, supposedly already a drug addict (and some news now say; a Drug dealer too) does a cocaine/heroine overdose partying in the government provided accomodation, (and the aide dies)!...
3. A big hospital then, even after all the publicity and hype of the drug overdose in the media, very 'innocently' and creatively declares that no traces of foul stuff found in the poor, mourning, simpleton son's system!...and to top it all,
3. the great Ex Prime Minister himself then throws all sense of decency demanded by his ex- chair status, publicily calls it simply a 'jawani ki bhool'!!!....

I mean come on; we can keep spinning our wheels and explain this or that, but the fact of the matter is everything in India is now politically colored....it is pathetic times when a normal person cannot figure out what is the truth and what is not.... when the highest office bearers cannot take responsibility as leaders and fairly condone a crime, Famous/reputed Hospitals give bribed/tainted reports and the citizenery is left wondering of what their day to day world has come to, when even after everything being out in the open.....shrouds of mystery are quickly and easily being draped over crimes in broad daylight!!!........

Please don't hold your breath if both Pramod Mahajan's brother and the prodigal son get off scott free after doing some small time jailtime! Welcome to the new shining politically tainted India!!!.............

Rahul Mahajan arr jail????...kaun si dunia mein rya kare bhai...issne nyue majje lene sein...

[shailendra]

Rahul Mahajan arr jail????...kaun si dunia mein rya kare bhai...issne nyue majje lene sein...

That's why I wrote 'scott free' first before the word 'jail-time'....These Jail-times for these kinda individuals is a relative term and just for appearances!
Aaj tak kisi ko pata hai Pramod Mahajan kae bhai ko (a criminal obviously) kis terah sae rakhkha ja raha hai???...

[vinodks]

Birbalji, this is interesting information. I am interested in primary source for these facts regarding murder and his being British informer. As per views about RSS everyone is entitled to have his/her opinions and I guess it doesn't concern the current debate.

-vinod

Nothing disgusts me more than reading statements like this. Vajpayee has been connected with RSS all his life and every one knows RSS is basically a training ground for goondas. He was a British informer during pre-independence. He was involved in the murder by stabbing of one of the brightest young Jat man, Sanwat Singh, in 1948 (althogh the knife was pulled by his close associate, Virendra Saklecha, later Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh), and he is the only Prime Minister of India who is morally corrupt to the core.

[vinodks]

I agree with you Shailu bhai... one thing should be discussed at a time...

-vinod

Ok take a step back everyone and consider what we are talking about here:

1. A big politically affiliated person dies a mysterious and horrible death (even though we know his brother did it!)... and even before that is explained properly or gets a closure,
2. his Son, supposedly already a drug addict (and some news now say; a Drug dealer too) does a cocaine/heroine overdose partying in the government provided accomodation, (and the aide dies)!...
3. A big hospital then, even after all the publicity and hype of the drug overdose in the media, very 'innocently' and creatively declares that no traces of foul stuff found in the poor, mourning, simpleton son's system!...and to top it all,
3. the great Ex Prime Minister himself then throws all sense of decency demanded by his ex- chair status, publicily calls it simply a 'jawani ki bhool'!!!....

I mean come on; we can keep spinning our wheels and explain this or that, but the fact of the matter is everything in India is now politically colored....it is pathetic times when a normal person cannot figure out what is the truth and what is not.... when the highest office bearers cannot take responsibility as leaders and fairly condone a crime, Famous/reputed Hospitals give bribed/tainted reports and the citizenery is left wondering of what their day to day world has come to, when even after everything being out in the open.....shrouds of mystery are quickly and easily being draped over crimes in broad daylight!!!........

Please don't hold your breath if both Pramod Mahajan's brother and the prodigal son get off scott free after doing some small time jailtime! Welcome to the new shining politically tainted India!!!.............

[positivelook]

Dear Rk sir and Chillar Bhai

No doubt i m a fan of vajpayee jee and dont think whtever i said abt anyone shows my anger why should i be angry on them they didnt did anything wrong to me. I m not in any political party so far so it means tht whtever i m writing abt anyone is totally my own views nthing related to any party or nthing personal. As whtever i have written abt our present CM tht is not personal and he is a public figure so everyone knows wht he did and wht he is doing. Well i dont want to go further on this cos if i will go more further than it will be personal.
Chillar bhai for ur personal info i wanna let u know tht Mr. hooda had always won my personal vote even against Ch. Devilal so anger ka toh sawal hee nahin hai.

Respected birbal jee
I dont know anything abt tht stabbing so i m not in position to comment on this but still i say jabse hosh sambhala hai tab se maine Vajpayee jee ko ek sangharsh ka parteek maana hai, just see the heights he achieved in his career and he comes from a normal family background.

Baaki Ghanni toh kehta nahin haan itna jaroor hai kee we need a clean system in India and we need our politicians to be clean by all means. Lets keep the fingers cross for the future of India.
Abhimanyu Phougat

[bharatrattan]

Bhai Abhimanyu,
Most of us have no idea about reality which transpires behind curtains.

Rajput-Hindutva is one such phenomenon.
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/polsoc/download/rob_jenkins/Rajput_Hindutva.pdf
This paper seems a bit biased, but otherwise a good outlook about how people evaluate Jat aspirations.

I am personally dead against ideologies which can turn raging unemployed farmers into Karsevaks. In future the saffronization of Jatland should be vehemnetly opposed for it is greatest of all farces. We are endorsing a value system that has eternally worked to marginalise the interest of common farmer and create class barriers impenetrable.
I hope you remain open to suggestions like a true scholar.
Wishes,
Bharat

[vinodks]

It was kind of expected... but doesn't have much relevence to the current debate regarding Mahajans... I hope people would keep up to the topic of discussion rather than finding any slightest opportunity for supporting or arguing against any particular ideology...

-vinod


I am personally dead against ideologies which can turn raging unemployed farmers into Karsevaks. In future the saffronization of Jatland should be vehemnetly opposed for it is the greatest of all farce. We are endorsing the value system which has eternally worked to marginalise the interest of common farmer.
I hope you remain open to suggestions like a true scholar.
Wishes,
Bharat

[narenderkharb]

.

I am personally dead against ideologies which can turn raging unemployed farmers into Karsevaks. In future the saffronization of Jatland should be vehemnetly opposed for it is the greatest of all farce. We are endorsing the value system which has eternally worked to marginalise the interest of common farmer.
I hope you remain open to suggestions like a true scholar.
Wishes,
Bharat

Though it may be off the topic.

But these topics are to understand and educate people about various issues concerning them.

Bharat has explained so much in very few words and it is very important for our jatland of Rajasthan up haryana and delhi.

Birbal ji our young generation hardly know this vajpayee and his deeds.

From his relations with Air hostess in 77 to this lady kaul and saga of damad is not known to many and speaks volumes about his character.

[devdahiya]

My take without any prejudice to what has been written so far:


When we write about others,we take pleasure in finding all the faults in a person and see hardly any good and our punch line goes beyond our own reach when the person against whome we use pathetic words is not around to defend himself/herself.Who stops anybody[if one decides]to even abuse God but then it requires a controlled thought process to say a thing and say it well without appearing a person WITH NO FAULTS.We all have tremendous weaknesses which will take many lives to overcome[With most sincere efforts] but it is a weakness with we all that when we are negatively charged and see all the wrongs in others that we see no reason and try impress a mute audiance with our tirade against an indvidual.Without getting into the name game,i wish to submit that positive criticism with correct and authentic inputs will make a person respect worthy but just by painting some one black for the sake of own satisfaction will convince none.



Yes, people in politicts or in the offices of governance should be above board if a nation has to scale up to a place of dignity but then that seems to be a dream for all of us and the captive public at large.I can feel bad,do my bit in whatever way i can and YES can remain honest and upright in my own dealings.If i could do that, i must have done my side of job well.


Regards!

[rkumar]

here is an interesting article in The Tribune by HK Dua. His views are very close to what we have been discussing here. I am reproducing the entire article;

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Tragedy of politics
Power-brokers are capturing the system
by H.K. Dua

The Central government’s efficient statisticians gleefully announced a few days ago that India’s economy had crossed the 8-per cent growth barrier. At the same time, the word is being spread that the much-awaited Agni III — the intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit targets 5000 kilometres away — may be launched in a couple of months.

News of this kind is, however, no longer exciting the nation poised at a crucial moment. Ministerial pronouncements these days are being taken as a mundane stuff. The country is caught in a mood that reflects a sort of anxiety it often slips into and does not know how to come out of it.

There must be something wrong with the situation that is bothering the nation. Thinking people need to ponder why the general confidence level of the people is low despite the strides the country has made in many areas. Is it the political system that is failing the country within 60 years of Independence, or is it the kind of persons who have come to man it? Or, are there danger signs ahead which the people have begun to see but are finding themselves helpless in doing much about them?

Continuing to remain in this kind of mood can further sap the energy of a nation at the beginning of a century which, till the other day, was being projected as the Indian century which would see the country emerge as a major power. The country is possessed by a vague anxiety disorder that is leading to further loss of confidence in itself. Is it the present that is worrying it, or the uncertainty of the future?

One reason for the malaise is that the people have been banking too much on the politicians to solve their problems and are now finding that the netas they come across in most parts of the country are not concerned about their problems, or, are incapable of tackling them.

Pramod Mahajan — who knew how to capture headlines in life as well as in death — is a shining example of what ails Indian political parties. Here was a man who projected efficiency, achievement, political acumen, and skill to organise elections for his party.

A parivar believing in puritanism of sorts never for once thought about his personal lifestyle, his love for money and good life, and his tendency to use it for gaining control of the party for achieving his political ambition. His competence in collecting money from business houses was welcome to the party which allowed him to get away with much which, ordinarily, it would have regarded as a political sin.

Pramod Mahajan’s factotum Vivek Moitra has, perhaps, been poisoned or drugged to death. His son, Rahul Mahajan, has to face, if nothing more serious, drug-related charges that can keep him in prison for 10 long years.

Come to think of it, the BJP was visualising Pramod Mahajan as the generation next’s Prime Minister of India! Even after his death his bargaining power with the BJP remained intact so much so that it chose to induct his son into a leadership position. The party leaders’ decision could not have been for reasons just sentimental. Perhaps, they do not know how awkward they are looking in the eyes of the people after last week’s gory events at 7 Safdarjung Road and the prospect of Rahul Mahajan spending a chunk of his life in jail.

Public confidence in politicians’ honesty and sincerity has been low for some years, but L’affaire Pramod Mahajan leaves a stink of corruption, crime, drugs and depravity that characterise politics these days.

Pramod Mahajan, whose hubris has ended up in a sordid tragedy for him and his family was, however, not the only political leader who has come to symbolise amoral politics that has come to prevail in the country. Every party has its own share of enterprising and dynamic men who fix deals and collect money for their parties, and for themselves. Often such men are more equal than others in the parties’ power structure. The money power gives them political power and often they are able to influence decision-making for the convenience of their benefactors, some of whom join politics themselves and others choose to act by remote control. The phenomenon of money power dictating politics, policies and decisions has spread across to most political parties and to most states.

You can go round anywhere in the country, any state, any town, and you will come to hear tales of the so-called successful people who have found their way to positions of power, or those who can get things done by just a call on their mobile phone. Sadly, this is being considered a normal mode of political behaviour these days.

Many bureaucrats choose the safe path and collaborate with their political masters. Inconvenient officials are simply posted out because a minister’s friend or a benefactor wants it – a role Amrish Puri used to portray in Bollywood films with great flair and realism until the Don’s death recently.

Ask the people in Lucknow how they feel about the Mulayam Singh government and the quality of governance it provides to the nation’s largest State. Only the Supreme Court has come to the help of the Income-Tax authorities to order the Chief Minister to disclose the sources of the wealth he and his family have accumulated during his years of service to the people. Taxman’s queries are being described as part of a conspiracy by the Samajwadi neta.

Then there is Ms Mayawati straddling on the political platform unmindful of the stink left behind by the Taj Corridor scandal. The NDA government never took action to punish the guilty lest it might need her support while forming a government at the Centre. The UPA government now does not want to annoy Ms Mayawati because it also may need her help after the next Lok Sabha elections.

The Great Telgi scam, which ran into a staggering Rs 50,000 crore loss to the state exchequer, still remains unprobed because the tentacles of the scandal are spread over several states and involves influential elements in many political parties. The politicians would let Telgi die, reportedly of AIDS, than allow truth to come out.

These are major scandals which make an occasional headline in the media. The daily experience of the people with the administrations in all States is worse, and of indifference and callousness with which it treats them and their problems.

The people seem to be extras in the Shining India story. It is the politicians like Pramod Mahajan who have come to matter in public life. Unfortunately.

[sampuran]

here is an interesting article in The Tribune by HK Dua. His views are very close to what we have been discussing here. I am reproducing the entire article;

.................................................. ...........................................
Tragedy of politics
Power-brokers are capturing the system
by H.K. Dua


One reason for the malaise is that the people have been banking too much on the politicians to solve their problems and are now finding that the netas they come across in most parts of the country are not concerned about their problems, or, are incapable of tackling them.



You can go round anywhere in the country, any state, any town, and you will come to hear tales of the so-called successful people who have found their way to positions of power, or those who can get things done by just a call on their mobile phone. Sadly, this is being considered a normal mode of political behaviour these days.



So true !
We have to move away from the thinking that money and power are synonymous with success.
Or that a rich and powerful person deserves respect just because of these possessions

[panward]

[quote]No doubt i m a fan of vajpayee jee and dont think whtever i said abt anyone shows my anger why should i be angry on them they didnt did
anything wrong to me........
I dont know anything abt tht stabbing so i m not in position to
comment on this but still i say jabse hosh sambhala hai tab se maine
Vajpayee jee ko ek sangharsh ka parteek maana hai, just see the
heights he achieved in his career and he comes from a normal family
background....[/unquote]

Vinod Ji's objections notwithstanding, I would again stray from the
original topic (by now almost every one knows that I do it out of
habit rather than ill-intentions) and discuss Vajpayee and BJP and
their deeds.

I won't go into the minute details of Hindu Mahasabha time, the RSS
history and the Jansangh era. Bahar baith kar thook bilona aasan
hai aur power mein aa ke kahe pe amal karana ddosri baat hai so
cut to when BJP came into power in 1998.

The first thing they did after assuming the office was nuclear
testing. If ever there was a retrogressive step, it was this one. A
strategic and diplomatic blunder to say the least.

Even until then everyone knew India was capable of making nuclear
bombs, what people were confused about the status of Pakistan. Our
western neighbour drew parity not only in power but in status as
well within a fortnight. Something Zulfi died dreaming about,
something Zia longed so much, we -- the Atal's govt -- gifted them,
a nuclear power status.

To make the matter worse, International community accused India, and
dare I say righly so, of kick-starting an atomic arms race thus
making the sub-continent a nuclear flashpoint, while Pakistan got
the benefit of doubt as it was "mere reacting to India's aggressive
move." Mind you it took eight long years and we are still struggling
with that pariah status of ours -- US N-deal notwithstanding.

And what a farce BJP's foreign policy were is proved by the fact
that same Vajpayee govt. then tried to act as a peacenik and boarded
a bus all the way to Lahore.

And behind those smiles, Navaz Sharif and Army chief Musharraf were
donning on the occasion, they were having a hearty laugh at India's
stupidity and their expeditions in the heights of Kargil.

Now for all those who'd keenly followed the newspapers and media at
the time might vividly recall how a dumbfounded Indian government
first tried to downplay the incident, then its said it was a "limited
scale war" and after thousands of our soldiers were massacared in the
process of regaining possesion of heights, it blew the trumpet --
"We won a war against Pakistan"!

I am speechless! We somehow regained our own peaks, lost thousands
of our young jawans and officers -- many of them straight out of IMA
-- and the Atal govt said we won a War.

Then there was some coffin scam -- if I can recall -- but they are
too frequent in our polity to be discusses here. Shamelessness of
the BJP govt again came to fore when they contested mid-term
elections cashing on the dubious Kargil "win".

They were just basking in their glory, Pakistan struck back when its
terrorists hijacked IC-814 from Kathmandu en route to Delhi.

History, although a shameful one, was made the then India foreign
minister, accompanied three dreaded terrorists in a Govt of India
chartered flight to Kandahar and shook hands with the Talibans --
the patrons -- while taking back Indian passengers as quid pro quo.

The same jingoist BJP, which never missed an oppotunity to flare up
chauvinistic nationlism, panicked and crumbled under pressure.
One of those terrorists, Umar Sheikh later went on to kill Daniel
Perl while other, Masood Azhar is now busy masterminding al-Qaeda
and JeM.

Well it seems that I am getting too critical of the BJP govt and
overlooking the good job done by them -- economic boom being one of
them!

It is said that in financial year 2003-04, which was BJP's last in
the office, India grew by whopping 8.4 percent -- second only to
China.

That's why they say stats, like mini skirts, hide vital and reveal
trivial.

A year before, in 2002-03 India posted just a 4 pc growth and when
it fared quite average on the following year, it seemed great when compared to the previous one.

Now one may argue what is Atal's fault in that. He was simply terading the BJPs line. Now here's my point: If he's such a timid man than what kinda 'Sangharsh ka Prateek' he is and what is the achievement he can boast of?

Lastly, I must make it clear that I am no fan of the Congress either. But they -- the Nehrus, and Gandhis -- used to do a sort of 'Netagiri' on the international level. Be that the leadership of NAM or different groups G-20s, 15s and like. It used to project India as an individual, international player with a strong identity of its own. But the BJP, with Atal firmly at helm, reduced India to a level where its foreign policy became Pakistan-centric thereby giving an undue, unfair advantage to our Western neighbour.

Thanks for bearing it!

[viveksiwatch]

Someone had forwarded me this link.

It is worth a reading. Seems like once in a while even US is not spared!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1045368.cms

cheers

~vivek

[jhajhria]

Chillar shab, it,s look,s that you hate Ch. Devi Lal family. because the topic is Rahul Mahajan and u comments on Ch. Devi Lal & Chautla:D

[chhillar]

Chillar shab, it,s look,s that you hate Ch. Devi Lal family. because the topic is Rahul Mahajan and u comments on Ch. Devi Lal & Chautla:D

I don't hate them Choudhary saab, I pity them!

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

Just read this thread today.

Does anyone remember the statement by Mr Pramod Mhajan few years back when he had said "Agar ek Videshi ko PM banana hai to Sonia Gandhi ho ya Monika Lewenski (spelling galat hai), kya farak padta hai". He later denied this. Rahul Mahajan will pay the prize for this statement.

Since the case is now sub judice I will not make any comments on Rahul Mahajan or his brother in law Anand Rao. As soon I had taken retiremnet from the Army in Sep 2001, I worked in an office where Rahul Mahajan was a frequent visitor. In fact I had occupied the cabin from which he used to operate after he shifted to a new office. Duniya ke saare aib hain or jo ho raha hai vo bahut pahle hona chhahiye tha.

A word about Sahil Jajoo too. My wife taught him for one year at Scholar's High School in Mumbai in 1998-99. Life is full of coincidences...

A word about why Pramod was shot by his younger brother. Everyone knows why but no body is saying it.

Regards,

JS Malik

[chhillar]

Dear All,

Just read this thread today.

Does anyone remember the statement by Mr Pramod Mhajan few years back when he had said "Agar ek Videshi ko PM banana hai to Sonia Gandhi ho ya Monika Lewenski (spelling galat hai), kya farak padta hai". He later denied this. Rahul Mahajan will pay the prize for this statement.

Since the case is now sub judice I will not make any comments on Rahul Mahajan or his brother in law Anand Rao. As soon I had taken retiremnet from the Army in Sep 2001, I worked in an office where Rahul Mahajan was a frequent visitor. In fact I had occupied the cabin from which he used to operate after he shifted to a new office. Duniya ke saare aib hain or jo ho raha hai vo bahut pahle hona chhahiye tha.

A word about Sahil Jajoo too. My wife taught him for one year at Scholar's High School in Mumbai in 1998-99. Life is full of coincidences...

A word about why Pramod was shot by his younger brother. Everyone knows why but no body is saying it.

Regards,

JS Malik

I seriously don't know why.......

[spdeshwal]

Chhillar Bhai,

Isse -2 kaandon ke peechhe kaaaran hote hein....

You have three options for the answer....Jameen, Joru... Teesra.. chal teesre ki jaroorat koni... And you can use a life line .. you have the option of email .. Col Malik.

[positivelook]

Daksh Bhai

Pehlyan to nyun bata itna tatta kyon ho rhya hai. We r talking abt drugs in relation to politicians and u have written the whole drama here. I respect ur views tht atleast u have some concern for country and u take the issues seriously. Well now i come to the point tht as i have written earlier tht i m not a member of any political party so whtever u have written doesnt effect me personally. Aur rahee baat Sangharsh ke parteek kee toh manne Vajpayee mann liya toh ke chaala paat gya arr bhai tere kahe teh toh mein na badloon. I think everyone have someone whom he likes as a leader or whtever. So bro. just chill out and concentrate on topic only i didnt ask u abt the whole story abt NDA govt.(which was not BJP govt. alone).

Rk Sir
Article u have posted here shows tht writer seems to be little bit biased in his approach. May be whtever he has written is true but in his article he has written abt BJp, SP, BSP and others but why not abt congress. Nyway this discussion will turn the topic in toward other direction.

Well the current news is tht Rahul Mahajan is still in custidy with two new charges so this course of action seems to be a nightmare for him. But Jaise karnee waise bharnee.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[panward]

...We r talking abt drugs in relation to politicians...

I wonder whether we can afford to look this as mere a drug-snorting problem. It would be like looking the tip and missing the iceberg. It's beyond my comprehension that the BJP did not know this facet of Rahul Mahajan's personality. And this chap was goin' to be next RS nominee and BJP youthwing's VP. And its a party that never misses an opportunity to claim moral high ground!


...ur rahee baat Sangharsh ke parteek kee toh manne Vajpayee mann liya toh ke chaala paat gya arr bhai tere kahe teh toh mein na badloon.

Bhaisahab Abhimanyu ji,
Ae bilkul aade rehna aap apni baat pai. Hilna mat Katai.
As they say, if you don't stand for anything you will fall for everything (like me!).
Par mhari ek darkhwaast maan lena. Ae Atal ji ki kahe mai aake Jawani mein bhool mat kar baithna. Baki, my best wishes will always be with you.

So bro. just chill out and concentrate on topic only i didnt ask u abt the whole story abt NDA govt.(which was not BJP govt. alone).

All I have to say regarding this topic is: Yatha Pita tatha putra [Like father, like son]

Regards.
-Daksh

[deepshi]

but dis rahul mahajan has to gird up his loins- coz ppl dont expect dis frm their would-be leaders,, there r sum liabilities!
else, stop dreamin bout rulin the country.