Maharaja Surajmal Foundation, Jaipur

[sktewatia]

I was invited in this meeting but could not attend. On 4th June, 2006, National Executive Committe met in Jaipur. Many political, social and eminent persons were invited in it. Following points were discussed:

1. OBC reservation to be implemented from this year only.
2. OBC should be given reservation in Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha, Vidhansabha, High Court, Supreme Court etc.
3. UP, MP, Himanchal, Delhi Jats, should be given reservation at national level.
4. Haryana and Punjab Jats also should be included in OBC.
5. In Rajasthan, Bharatpur and Dhaulpur Jats also should be included in OBC.
6. Jats should be given proper position in Indian History.
7. Any other issue whatever Jats feel proper.


Jatland Members are also requested to forward their views on these issues, so that they can be incorporated next time.

Dr. Jitender Singh Phaujdar is heading this foundation.

Dr. Jitender Singh Phaujdar
503, Rajvilas-1
Meera Marg, Banipark,
Jaipur.

[crsnadar]

Dear Sir,
Nice to know about sesitivity & consiousness of our community towards future.
Some of the members may feel shy accecpting OBC as me too was such few years back.
OBC is not the game of STATUS as of now.
It is the GAME of Snatching More & More so as to survive even better than other communities.
JAT will be a JAT whether OBC or not.

Only after inclusion of JAT in OBC in several areas the matter been raised upto that level.
I hope after few years this trend will be eliminated & in the elimination of OBC game JAT will play the vital role.

bye

[sktewatia]

this leadership of OBC by Jat makes every Jat PM. Whether Charan, Devi or Tikait........

I attended All India Jat Mahasabha at Agra about 13-14 years back. Where Vishwendra, Tikait etc. were also there. The sabha went inclusive about this issue. Jats were divided. They were not willing to be called as OBC. Rajasthan Jats opposed reservation tooth and nail when it was declared by VP Singh. But soon within few years they realised the reality. Then they tried hard and came into OBC.

[sktewatia]

I was only Jat in IIT Delhi out of 250. Delhi being surrounded by Jats, so IIT Delhi should have been crowded by Jats.

Jats in India are about 50 times of Meenas in population. Yet meenas were more than Jats there. Why? Due to reservation only into ST. Though Meenas were rulers over Jaipur.

[sktewatia]

Even then Jats never demanded reservation. Though they were deeply concerned about their negligible presence in competitive services. To increase their number in Lucrative services and institutions, Surajmal Society at Janakpuri was started. I remember how we people used to work for it.

But when not only Meena who were rulers of Jaipur can become Schedule Tribes. Ahirs (Yadavs) who were rulers in Mahendergarh can be OBC. What is bad for Jat then as OBC.

[kharub]

sorry Tewatia sahab .. i dont get you .. are you in favour or against OBC Status

[sktewatia]

sorry Tewatia sahab .. i dont get you .. are you in favour or against OBC Status

actually I'm against. But its a political move , where Jats are being marginalised. If implemented then I'm with OBC. Either reservation should not at all be there. But if it is there then Jats should also be included in OBC.

[sktewatia]

I'm there where I deserve. I reached here without n e reservation. but when u talk of average, where will a common jat go?

[bharatrattan]

Dear Tewathia Sir,
1. I am still not sure about who among Jats has been included in OBC. Is there any economic criterion? Please tell something about this.
How things apply differently for some of the Distt. in Rajasthan? Are Jats in Delhi included?
2. When will we see the demand of "Harit Pradesh" fulfilled?

The Jats of UP are one of the most progressive ones. They don't have feudal tendencies like our prototypical Delhi/Haryana character. They are not hounded by the irksome presence of Rajputs in Rajasthan, and undoubtedly dominate the region . If Harit Pradesh could become reality, I am most certain they will beat any other state. For the past 50 years there has not been any new canal in the region. The revenue is spent on the unproductive eastern region. Falling between river Yamuna and Ganges, the land is very fertile, unlike Haryana. And it is close to Delhi, what else do we need.. The sugarcane harvest in Western UP is one of the most productive yield in the entire world.
All these factors point toward its success, if it could be made.

Bharat

[chhillar]

The Jats of UP are one of the most progressive ones. They don't have the Taliban like tendencies like our prototypical Delhi/Haryana character.
Bharat

theek he daac udalo mhara majak...:D ....I partially agree with you though

[bharatrattan]

theek he daac udalo mhara majak...:D ....I partially agree with you though
Amit
Mazak to apna bhi hai bhai. But this has been expressed by many of my friends. I have seen my own relatives. Most of the time they discuss beating someone.

No offence though.
Bharat

[vinodks]

Jats as single largest ethnic group in Rajasthan still they want OBC status... and they want Jat CM too... ok lage raho!!

-vinod

I was invited in this meeting but could not attend. On 4th June, 2006, National Executive Committe met in Jaipur. Many political, social and eminent persons were invited in it. Following points were discussed:

1. OBC reservation to be implemented from this year only.
2. OBC should be given reservation in Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha, Vidhansabha, High Court, Supreme Court etc.
3. UP, MP, Himanchal, Delhi Jats, should be given reservation at national level.
4. Haryana and Punjab Jats also should be included in OBC.
5. In Rajasthan, Bharatpur and Dhaulpur Jats also should be included in OBC.
6. Jats should be given proper position in Indian History.
7. Any other issue whatever Jats feel proper.


Jatland Members are also requested to forward their views on these issues, so that they can be incorporated next time.

Dr. Jitender Singh Phaujdar is heading this foundation.

Dr. Jitender Singh Phaujdar
503, Rajvilas-1
Meera Marg, Banipark,
Jaipur.

[crsnadar]

Reservation keval JATon ne hi nahi Rajputon ne bhi maanga tha (1999 me) par reservation ki is ladai me JATon ne baaji maar li (Sabse pahle Rajsthan me).

Although I also never took benefit of OBC but there are so many JAT bhais who can have advantage of that. May be in future I too.

In todays date OBC status is not granted as par Economic, Social or Educational but it is on Political values.
I think politically JATs are sound & believe in realism & know there way.


in 1999 "OBC" tag been imposed on JATs in some areas, so either it has to be eliminated completely or it should be Imposed Completely on JATS.

Bye

& Nice to know about Dr Tewatia Sir & there efforts.

Namste Sir

[yashmalik]

I afraid if Gandhi asked for an OBC label to be called as 'Father of the Nation"

I afraid if Marwaris (Ambanis etc.) asked for an OBC label to exceed in the bussiness.

I again afraid if the imported Punjabis asked for an OBC label to make their mark in bollywood and entertainment industry.

Famous Jats such as Deols, Sehwag, kapil ,etc. didnt ask for that OBC label either.

OBC is a myth which will get terminated in the coming decades. I was taught by my parents to rely on my abilities to be ahead rather than hiding behind an OBC label to get the some compensation.

Tewatia sir i m not against your move, you have a sound reason and i have understood it. I am really thankfull for your effort as it is for the developmnent of our community. I am unable to get why are all Jats not taught the same lessons.

[sktewatia]

Dear Tewathia Sir,
1. I am still not sure about who among Jats has been included in OBC. Is there any economic criterion? Please tell something about this.
How things apply differently for some of the Distt. in Rajasthan? Are Jats in Delhi included?
2. When will we see the demand of "Harit Pradesh" fulfilled?

The Jats of UP are one of the most progressive ones. They don't have feudal tendencies like our prototypical Delhi/Haryana character. They are not hounded by the irksome presence of Rajputs in Rajasthan, and undoubtedly dominate the region . If Harit Pradesh could become reality, I am most certain they will beat any other state. For the past 50 years there has not been any new canal in the region. The revenue is spent on the unproductive eastern region. Falling between river Yamuna and Ganges, the land is very fertile, unlike Haryana. And it is close to Delhi, what else do we need.. The sugarcane harvest in Western UP is one of the most productive yield in the entire world.
All these factors point toward its success, if it could be made.

Bharat


Jats of Rajasthan except for Bharatpur and Dhaulpur districts are included in OBC at state and national level. Jats of UP, Delhi, MP, Himanchal are in OBC at state level. However, I've heard that court case is pending to include them in OBC at national level also. Jats of Punjab and Haryana are not in OBC at any level. High income groups are excluded.

I support you about Harit Pradesh. I agree that it will leave Punjab Haryana much behind when made. Though I'm not from UP. If you recollect whole Mahabharat is Jat area that time even Gandhar (modern Afghanistan) but all that area was dominated by Hastinapur (western UP) people.

[sktewatia]

Reservation keval JATon ne hi nahi Rajputon ne bhi maanga tha (1999 me) par reservation ki is ladai me JATon ne baaji maar li (Sabse pahle Rajsthan me).

Although I also never took benefit of OBC but there are so many JAT bhais who can have advantage of that. May be in future I too.

In todays date OBC status is not granted as par Economic, Social or Educational but it is on Political values.
I think politically JATs are sound & believe in realism & know there way.


in 1999 "OBC" tag been imposed on JATs in some areas, so either it has to be eliminated completely or it should be Imposed Completely on JATS.

Bye

& Nice to know about Dr Tewatia Sir & there efforts.

Namste Sir

Nadar You'll make a good leader of Jats. Please meat me.

Its not that u praise me but I've seen your posts also.

[sktewatia]

Jats as single largest ethnic group in Rajasthan still they want OBC status... and they want Jat CM too... ok lage raho!!

-vinod

Dnt u feel that its a miracle other way round? Please, try to find out the reasons behind it. I donot think that Rajasthan Jats are politically less meritorious. They are rather most forward in Jat politics as compared to other nearby Jats.

[sktewatia]

While in other states Jats were simply to compete with others but in Rajasthan they were particularly targeted that any caste person is acceptable but not Jat for CM.

[sktewatia]

Maharaja Surajmal was also from Rajasthan. And he was without reservation. the only history Jats have now in Indian Text books is of Rajasthan only. Even now in politics I congratulate them to get OBC status, while other Jats are not at all aware of the dangers of this reservation issue.

[sktewatia]

Jab desh azaad hua tha to saare CM brahmin the. except for Punjab n Bengal. After division of Punjab and Bengal, in new era Jat was leading 85% rural population in the form of Charan and Devi. This was making Jat repeatedly the strong contender for PM again and again. By implementing Mandal VP Singh broke the OBC following of Jats. For the last 14 years or so, thereafter, Jats are facing a political vaccum at national level due to this reason only.

Jats were already not well to compete with other forward castes and we used to make Suraj Mal Society in Delhi due to that reason only. After implementation of this OBC withou Jats in it, they will be just nowhere. Other forward castes already on their head. Remaining backward and other village/rural castes will also be on their head in the villages due to reservation in OBC/SC/ST. Imagine then Jat will be at the bottom most level then, not only in Politics, and Education but in all fields.

Ye saari zameen Indo-Gangetic plain ki sub ki sub bik jayegi, lut/pit jayegi Jat ki.

[sansanwalamit]

Amit
Mazak to apna bhi hai bhai. But this has been expressed by many of my friends. I have seen my own relatives. Most of the time they discuss beating someone.

No offence though.
Bharat

I agree with you as well, but would like to mention that even with these feudal and violent tendencies Haryana and Delhi Jats have always being progressing. Especially, since Jats from Haryana made Haryana the second richest state of India even with "not so fertile" land along with a high education rate.

And coming back to the topic, I must say that in my opinion Delhi Jats do not need or deserve any OBC or Reservation status. So this issue should not even be there in the list of foundation's objectives.

Cheers,