US..a historical fluke? ...n India..?

[fool4love]

The Americans r so lucky that they have had some exceptionally intelligent people who remarkably lacked any sense of self-agrandizement. They seemed much more evolved than any of their contemporaries and went on to create one of the most advanced and successful nations of all time.

Where does India stand?
wht do u think...
What should've happened to India that wouldve made her the most powerful and successful nation?
What can be done now to make that happen?

[rkumar]

Very interesting thread. Though in India we always had and will always have some islands of prosperity, India as a whole may never be as uniformly developed a nation as Europe or USA. There are many reasons for this. Quality brain is still not respected in India and there are no chances that it will be in near or distant future. India will never become truly a developed nation unless she puts her quality brains to use. One might argue whether its really necessary to be developed like USA or Europe. Whatever might be the argument, but in India we lack synergy for the purpose and there is not even debate at regional or national level to have it. Unless we define our national doctrine and create conditions for all Indians to contribute in nation building, I don't see us becoming a developed nation. Individuals however will continue to shine here and there at national and international level.

RK^2

[chhillar]

Nice thread Kamal! My contribution coming up soon...

[kharub]

India is a great land, an ancient civilization , famous worldover for its superior human resources, good natural resources and deep rooted culture (though it is losing its colours now a days)

But we have been reduced to a third world country due to the policies followed by our politicians , they have ruined this country by creating divides - Social, Economic, Religious, Ethnic, Regional and the list goes on and on ....

What we need is a stable iron fist government which is not dependent on Vote Banks .... which does not seek to divide and weaken the country just to win a few votes or be back in power ...

We need a government which governs with National Interest as its prime and only priority. A rule which seeks to work unhindered for national unity and upliftment.

A regime which is strong and powerful but at the same time accountable.

A regime which has the power to weed out the ills of our society and clean the scum ... and develop the infrastructure to put this country on the path to prosperity and stability.

This is what we need ..... we have the resources & intellect to be successsful if we get a government which has the will and ability to take strong decisions .... which might be unpopular in the short turn .... but the right choice for the future

[chhillar]

India is a great land, an ancient civilization , famous worldover for its superior human resources, good natural resources and deep rooted culture (though it is losing its colours now a days)

But we have been reduced to a third world country due to the policies followed by our politicians , they have ruined this country by creating divides - Social, Economic, Religious, Ethnic, Regional and the list goes on and on ....

What we need is a stable iron fist government which is not dependent on Vote Banks .... which does not seek to divide and weaken the country just to win a few votes or be back in power ...

We need a government which governs with National Interest as its prime and only priority. A rule which seeks to work unhindered for national unity and upliftment.

A regime which is strong and powerful but at the same time accountable.

A regime which has the power to weed out the ills of our society and clean the scum ... and develop the infrastructure to put this country on the path to prosperity and stability.

This is what we need ..... we have the resources & intellect to be successsful if we get a government which has the will and ability to take strong decisions .... which might be unpopular in the short turn .... but the right choice for the future

Kharab Bhai,
A govt. not dependent on vote bank....hunh....OK...so how do we get the much needed iron fist government? Elections seems to be out of question here...

[kharub]

Kharab Bhai,
A govt. not dependent on vote bank....hunh....OK...so how do we get the much needed iron fist government? Elections seems to be out of question here...

Chillar Bhai Sahab ,

The ultimate form of government ..... and YES elected government , but not elected by masses, because most of our country is illetrate and the more then half of the educated people are educated for the name sake only ...

and the educated ones too get swayed by caste, creed and ethnicity ...

The perfect model of government for us would be a goverment with authority to take bold and hard decisions for the future and in line with national interests

Such a government will be elected by a selected bunch of intellects ,,, people who have the ability to think outside the prism of caste , creed and all those dividing , irrelevant issues ..... a selected bunch of great , superior minds who have the ability to judge the decisions based on their strategic impact and not just short term effects ....

A council of great and exceptional intellect will elect the government and judge them ......

but this is not a long term plan ..... we need this form of governance for about two decades .... to weed out the differences and implement equality .... and to uplift teh country so that after a while every Indian can belong to that club of intellectuals .....

and then we can have a mass democracy .......

What do you all think ?????

[shobhitdeshwal]

Kharab Bhai,
A govt. not dependent on vote bank....hunh....OK...so how do we get the much needed iron fist government? Elections seems to be out of question here...

I agree with Khrb bhai, India needs an Iron Fist Government and a bold leadership to take her at a place where we will be a superpower, and but, ruling out elections would not mean we are getting any closer to the aim. India being a democratic state, we need to believe in the power of the people first, and then alone can we move forward. And raising questions as shall we scrap the existing system of Governance are naive. Our forefathers had vision which has made India develop a lot, aven after the brutal rule of intruders for long over our people, which had indded killed our economy and our culture brutaly.

Now, we need to replenish those values and that strength in our people, people which is the most treasured resource of any country, we need to get ourselves strong enough as to choose our leadership on the lines of getting an Iron Fist Government.

People all over the state dont know about the 49O Procedure during an election. This 49 O provision is that powerful a thing that it makes the election commission announce a fresh election in a whole constituency. if you don't want to vote for a person, or any one contesting, you can ask for a 49 O to the polling officer, which means that you are against the candidature of a particular candidate, if the number of 49 O's exeed the nu,ber of votes polled, the election is announced again!! And the candidate is barred from contesting this time~!!

The point I want to stress on, is that we can choose our representatives to be bold eneough to form thew foundations of a great leadership.

Now, once the leadership has been established, it comes to the governance. Mohan Das Karam Chand Gandhi used to speak of Swaraj, or the self rule, what actually is self rule? It means to rule self, the one you are. If you can rule yourself for optimum outcome, you can rule the nation with much
more applausable vision!!

Will come back with more stuff.....

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal

[yashmalik]

The Americans r so lucky that they have had some exceptionally intelligent people who remarkably lacked any sense of self-agrandizement. They seemed much more evolved than any of their contemporaries and went on to create one of the most advanced and successful nations of all time.

Where does India stand?
wht do u think...
What should've happened to India that wouldve made her the most powerful and successful nation?
What can be done now to make that happen?

I guess American Politicians can spare a hell lotta time for the welfare of the society, and Indian Politicians have spared a lotta time to raise their bank balance...
just ask them about society...and they'll answer "who cares"

India too has been gifted with some true people who can turn the things into our favour but somewhere she has been adversly cursed with plenty of the people enough to make conditions bad to worse.

"Ghar-ghar me Ravan baitha, itne Ram kahan se laaun"

[kharub]

Deswal Bhai,

Mass democracy is fundamentally flawed in a diverse and illiterate nation like India. mass democracy is definately the way to go for countries which are ethnically and religiously homogeneous like European Countries.

Democracy is when the masses elect one amongst them and choose him to lead them. Its basic human nature to be jealous and uncomfortable of somebody superior to one in any way.

So the chance that people will actually and infact go on and support somebody intelectually superior to the them is against human nature.

Mass democracy is a game of mere numbers , anybody can be in power as long as he/she posses the support of majority of the MP's.
Such a system does not favour the intellect it favours those with good manupilative and trading skills. Those wo can trick people in supporting them or know how to buy loyalties.


The law of nature is that living beings develop certain skills to overcome the disadvantages of other skills. Like blind people have a very strong sense of smell, touch and hearing. Their other senses become above average, so as to counter the blindness to the best possibel extent.

In this same way intellects lack the trading and manupulative skills because they have the essential skill of a superior brain and thus they need not develop any other speciality. But someone with an average mental capacity has to develop skills like manipulation, cunningness, shrewdness etc to counter the lack of mental capability and thus go forward in life.

This is just how nature has developed life.

Intellect is always a minority, because its a rare skill. And the majority is always those who have developed other skills to counter their intellectual disadvantage.

Therefore this game of numbers called mass democracy is against brillance and for cheap manipulative trader sort of skills.

Selective democracy is the way forward.