are jats not kshatriya??????must see

[rana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshatriya

list of kshatriya community n photo of rajput given in above refrence not listed JAT community can I know why ??? are jats not kshatriya??????even gujjars guptas which come after JAT community listed n many others not known also

Kshatriya communities in India

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Rajputs.jpg/265px-Rajputs.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg)

"Rajputs" (anonymous, c.1860)
From the collection of the British Library
The Kshatriya communities are generally very prominent in Indian history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India), having been major influences on Indian politics, society, culture, religion and economics for hundreds of years. The Gujjars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujjars), Kurus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurus), Panchalas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchala), Khatris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatri), Kosalas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosala), Matsyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsya), Magadhas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magadha), Chedis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chedi_Kingdom), Yadus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav), Kambojas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas), Gandharas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara), Kekayas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekaya) etc in epic times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Age) and Mauryas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauryas), Guptas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guptas), Chalukyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalukyas), Rajputs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajputs), Marathas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathas), Dhangars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhangar), Ghosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosh), Nairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nair) etc. in post-epic/medieval eras are considered to have been particularly influential.

[ravichaudhary]

Santosh

The term "Kshatriya" is part of the orthodox Hindu system- Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaisya, Sudhra.

Jats, however, are just Jats.

They fit into all four categories, according to the Hindu system.

The jats do not accept the 4 fold caste system, and this has caused innumerable problems between them, and those who push to orthodox Hindu system

Do go through the History archives.

That will give you a broader perspective.

Good luck



Ravi Chaudhary

[romy]

I am in full agreement with Ravi as traditionally Jats have considered themselves to be above the Cast system and do not consider themelves to be inferior to any cast, this is also the reason why many of them are Arya Samaj followers where no importance is given to the cast system even for religious ceremonies.

I would not personally like to be labeled as just a Kshatriya or any one as Jats are just Jats.

[skarmveer]

Bhai Rajput keyo kahagey Jat akstriya hai wo to apney baraber manygey
nahi or jo bhee agdi jatti hai sub apney ko hee sabsay oonchi kahtee hai,
or jaydater log jatto ko dekh ker khush nahi hotey keukee yea kesi say dartey
nahi hai or nahi kisee cheej may kam hai.

Regards




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshatriya

list of kshatriya community n photo of rajput given in above refrence not listed JAT community can I know why ??? are jats not kshatriya??????even gujjars guptas which come after JAT community listed n many others not known also

Kshatriya communities in India

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Rajputs.jpg/265px-Rajputs.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rajputs.jpg)

"Rajputs" (anonymous, c.1860)
From the collection of the British Library
The Kshatriya communities are generally very prominent in Indian history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India), having been major influences on Indian politics, society, culture, religion and economics for hundreds of years. The Gujjars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujjars), Kurus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurus), Panchalas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchala), Khatris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatri), Kosalas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosala), Matsyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsya), Magadhas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magadha), Chedis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chedi_Kingdom), Yadus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav), Kambojas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas), Gandharas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara), Kekayas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekaya) etc in epic times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Age) and Mauryas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauryas), Guptas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guptas), Chalukyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalukyas), Rajputs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajputs), Marathas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathas), Dhangars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhangar), Ghosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosh), Nairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nair) etc. in post-epic/medieval eras are considered to have been particularly influential.

[netrapalsingh]

respected members,

rajpoot kabhi koi cast thee hee nahi 4 warna bane the pandit, kshtriya, vaishya, shudraa, or itihash gawah hai kee pahale bhee ladayee kisano
ke ladke ladte the or aaj bhee ladte hai. unhee me se raja bane or unhi
rahao ke putra rajputra or rajpoot kahlaye.

kavi pradeep ka likha hua wo gana aap sab ne suna hota e mera watanke logo osme unhone ek line likhi hai" koi sikha koi jat maratha koi gurkha
koi madrasi.....kya kavi pradeep jat the. nahi jat nahee the parantu unhone
sidh kar diya kee sahee ardho me asli kshtriya hai sikh, jat, gorkha

netra............

[brainspeak]

well wht if jats r not in the khastriya list??...wht difference does it make??...does tht make us lesser people??....

[netrapalsingh]

Bhai Rajput keyo kahagey Jat akstriya hai wo to apney baraber manygey
nahi or jo bhee agdi jatti hai sub apney ko hee sabsay oonchi kahtee hai,
or jaydater log jatto ko dekh ker khush nahi hotey keukee yea kesi say dartey
nahi hai or nahi kisee cheej may kam hai.

Regards


bilkul sahee kahaa pane sir jato ko dekh kar koi bhee khush nahi hai or oochi
chast walo ka bas chale to jato bhart chodne par majboor karde...............
lekin purana ithash to yahi kahta hai kee jat pahale bhee kshtriya the or
mohammad gajnavi se lekar aurangjeb tak or aurangjeb se lekar aaj ta
moosalmaano se loha jato ne hee liya hai to jat kshtriya kaise nahi hai...
rajpooto ne to apnee beti ka dola tak musalmano ko diya hai bharatpur
ka raja jawahar singh ek aisa jat kshtriya tha jo ek begam ka dola laya
tha........

netra...............

[rana]

I have edited that page in wikipedia can anyone will tell that whether we are suryvanshi or chandravanshi

Can any one tell that whether raja man singh of gwalior is a jat or rajput bec. jat community in gwalior says that he was jat rajput claims that he was rajput so any jat historian will give answer ihave seen man singh as rajput king (before scindias ) wikipedia.

And also wwe wrestler dalip singh rana to whom we say jat n included in " famous jat people" in jatland but rajput included him in famous rajput people in wikipedia the concern person of history please see the wikipedia jat n rajput section specally famous people of both the community

[netrapalsingh]

I have edited that page in wikipedia can anyone will tell that whether we are suryvanshi or chandravanshi

Can any one tell that whether raja man singh of gwalior is a jat or rajput bec. jat community in gwalior says that he was jat rajput claims that he was rajput so any jat historian will give answer ihave seen man singh as rajput king (before scindias ) wikipedia.

And also wwe wrestler dalip singh rana to whom we say jat n included in " famous jat people" in jatland but rajput included him in famous rajput people in wikipedia the concern person of history please see the wikipedia jat n rajput section specally famous people of both the community

sir jee wwe wrestler dalip singh rana pahad se hai or ek pahadi hai
or pahadi rana apne aap ko rajput hee batate hai haa ye sach hai
iska ghar pariwaar sab Himmachal pradesh me hai. ek punjab police me
koi officer the jo usko punjab police me le aye fir wo teen bar mr.punjab
bhee rah chukaa hai uske baad wo wwe me gaya tha. uuske shadi
ek punjabee ladki se huyee hai jo ek lover marriage thee.

netra...

[brainspeak]

santosh ji ,
jo suraj nikalne pe uth jaye woh suryavanshi....aur jo chaand ke rehte rehte neend se jaag jaye woh chandravanshi!!!....:))

[kamal123]

BHAI KARMVEER SE ME BILKUL SEHMAT HU...KI JAAT...JAAT HAIN OR KUCHA NHI ....HUM KISI SE DARTE NHI HAIN....HUM AAPNA KAAM KARTE HAIN.....JAAT...KYO..NHI ..DARTA HAI ..? KYO KI WO AAPNA KAAM SE MATLAB RAKHATA HAIN OR CHORI,JAARI, JOOTHA BOLKAR & HAARAM KA NHI KHATA HAIN WO KAMAATA HAIN OR KHATA HAIN PHIR BHALA WO KYO DAREGAAA...........................JAAT...IS JAAT....HAME...Proud....HONA..CHAHIYE KI HUM...JAAT HAIN......OR JAAT AANAJ PEDDA KARTA HAIN ISLIYE WO JAAT + DEVTA HAIN............ISLIYE HUM JAARDEVTA BHI BOL SAKTE HAIN................

JAY JAWAN.JAT BALWAN

KAMAL SINGH SINVER
jaatdevta_devta@yahoo.com




Bhai Rajput keyo kahagey Jat akstriya hai wo to apney baraber manygey
nahi or jo bhee agdi jatti hai sub apney ko hee sabsay oonchi kahtee hai,
or jaydater log jatto ko dekh ker khush nahi hotey keukee yea kesi say dartey
nahi hai or nahi kisee cheej may kam hai.

Regards

[ravichaudhary]

I have edited that page in wikipedia can anyone will tell that whether we are suryvanshi or chandravanshi

Can any one tell that whether raja man singh of gwalior is a jat or rajput bec. jat community in gwalior says that he was jat rajput claims that he was rajput so any jat historian will give answer ihave seen man singh as rajput king (before scindias ) wikipedia.



Man Singh Tomar was a Jat.

His descendants took on a Rajput Identity subsequently, some tomars of Gwalior region call themselves Rajputs.

In Wikpipedia etc area lot of static and noise. Any can( and they do edit) and write whatever they feel like.

Those who shout the loudest prevail.

When our community gets active, and takes on a more activist role, we will our history being more correctly represented.

Search the Yahoo group archives for : Tomar gwalior Man singh

see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/2819
History of the Jat Tomars(4)- Gwalior


-The Tomars of Gwalior

and discussion

Ravi Chaudhary

[rana]

Thank you very much sir for throwing true light on facts rather than just building blocks in air bt i still not agree that frontier of jat community has accepted the fact that we r not kshatriya our past prooves that we r true kshatriya no body can deny this and no body shd dare ... if not listed in wikipedia we should arouse voice so finally all can know truth aaj agar jat dhamaka nahi karega to kaun karega ,aur sir aap log hi maan kar baith jayenge ki jat sirf jat hai , jats does not believe in casteism to kaise chalega baat to tab hai jab sab bole bhai jaat to jaat hi hota hai .but tahn also sincere thanks to a jat fighter who is fighting on behalf of jat community on various historic aspects i have read your threads manytimes nfeel very proud to you
regards
Santosh Singh Rana