Noida Case - Do the poor not count ??

[kharub]

Hi All,

I guess we all know about the Noida Kand ... the families of the missing kids had been reporting their suspicions about the accusses to the Police for a long time but they were ignored and often beaten up by the police ... one of the victims who escaped the clutches of the man also tried to raise an alarm but was silenced by the police

So do the poor not count as human being and have the human values deteriorated so much that such heinous crimes are ignored by the very people who are there to ensure the safety of the common man ...

Very very shameful that it took so long and so many innocent lives for this to be noticed and had it not been for the media, I think this would have never come out

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Noida_serial_killings_Industrialist_held/articleshow/996797.cms

[devdahiya]

JAMMANA KHARAAB HEI.TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE.NOTHING IS SAFE ON THIS PLANET TODAY.Paissa sab kuchh khareed raha hei...maan-maryada-sharam-haya-insaniyat-shanti-prem.Luut machi hei aur sab kuchh luut raha hei..............?

[neels]

Very shameful and disheartening ... Whom to trust and look forward to for the security when the crime goes on flourishing under the protection of police? Really Media has played very important role recently in few important cases where system had failed completely.

[dahiyarules]

Hallmark of a Socialist system. Where there is an elite class, an impoverished class and a corrupt system. The impoversihed class feeds the elite class. The system provides for and protects the elite class.

Thanks for proving my point Kharub.

[navingulia]

Crime, even these types, are as old as human history. If we want our society to be safer WE have to work towards it.
We are part of the system. Cant we work towards organising security for our colony, sector, society, something like 'Neighbourhood Watch'. Cant we supervise the secutriy setup of our sector/colony. Throwing stones on police station is not the solution, we have to be more conscious and active citizens.
I will call upon all members to work towardsit in their localities.

[shobhitdeshwal]

Hi,

What happened in Noida, is not just a case of crime!! Its a case of poverty..... The poor face infractions... The poor are not heard.... And more precisely.... The poor are never taken seriously......

Not to digress from the topic... Poverty in Society.. let me put forth this article .... And let us then reach a solution..... to save ourselves from poverty and hence from the ccrime against poor.... as they are the most velnurable.... so most crimes are done against them... and they do not catch the attention even!!

Povery in Society

Many citizens have become ruthless victims from poverty. Perhaps some of these people could have prevented their socioeconomic downfall by
planning decisions and setting goals. There are many things that they must decide to do in order to eliminate themselves from being a victim of
downward mobility. For each of their important decisions they have to set goals to reach. However, should they start falling from their
socioeconomic status, they must be prepared to cope with the situations.
Most theorists would agree that there are two factors that influence downward mobility. The rich and the poor. As one moves from one
class to another there are a number of changes that take place. Some can
be large and some can be small. People would think that small changes would not be as significant as large changes. The real truth is that people do not realize that the little small changes add up to equal a large change. Changes lay the foundation for which type of person will belong to a certain social stratification. Anytime a change occurs one must beware that they might be entering into a crisis. In the Chinese culture, if one would break up the word crisis, they would find that the word means opportunity and danger-threat. One might gather that the word crisis is bad, but it could also relate to a good situation. What the word crisis is trying to say is that it is a dangerous situation where there is opportunity at the same time. People who are in a crisis must evaluate their situational priorities and the available opportunities.
Karl Marx might argue "capitalism would inevitably cause the expansion of the lumpenproletariat"(Kornblum 235). Luck plays a major part in capitalism. The more often one examines their situation, they are more likely to improve their personal gain. I believe that luck is where opportunity meets preparedness. When opportunity arises, one must be prepared to adjusting their behavior accordingly. With preparedness, one needs to invest time. Those who take the time to be prepared will be empowered to advance in society instead of stagnate and also increase their social stratification. There is much opportunity in our society. Most of the opportunity is hidden, or one might be informally excluded from it. According to William Kornblum, "wages of the lowest paid government employee's rise very slowly of at all" (Kornblum 237). Poor people are always discriminated against, thus making it extremely difficult to obtain opportunity to pull themselves out of the slum of poverty. However, opportunity can be minimized or enhanced. The more opportunity one can distinguish will only improve the amount of influence of what is done in the future. People who have become victims of poverty also suffer from learned helplessness. For instance, if an individual's employment is terminated,
one would take the first job opportunity that came their way and make less money. However, if they would have chosen to reexamine their priorities,
they could have exercised delayed gratification by going to school and finding a more satisfying career that has better pay. Wealth, power, and prestige are three factors that can be termed a
hierarchy that has a drastic effect on mobility. Myron Gutmann of the University of Texas, Austin writes, "... one's place in the hierarchy is
intimately related to power and wealth. I think that for the most part social place is independently determined, and gives you access to power and wealth ... it also determines your ability to reproduce your social status
through marriage; and it gives you visible prestige (Gutmann)." The term hierarchy sounds great in which one automatically gains wealth, power, and prestige. Consequently, majorities of people are not born into this hierarchy.
Assuming that a person is not born into this hierarchy, how can one acquire the wealth, power, and prestige necessary to stay clear of poverty?
They must examine all of their opportunities. Also, one must learn how to deal with anxiety that accompanies important decisions. Repression is the most common way of dealing with anxiety, but it only puts the anxiety into one's unconscious. Thus, it will be with the person until they are ready to deal with it or conform to the rest of the population and develop a scapegoat.
Realistically it is somewhat not important to fall into downward mobility. Society shapes the poverty class into the slum of the earth by applying labels to disadvantaged people. Wealth, power, and prestige are desires of most everyone. If people want to void this trend, they should work on their social character. Likewise, it will include them into the world of the informally excluded. With this in mind, one should remember these words from Irv Risch, "Men of genius are admired; men of wealth are envied; men of power are feared; but only men of character are trusted"(Risch).


Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal

[kharub]

Irv Risch, "Men of genius are admired; men of wealth are envied; men of power are feared; but only men of character are trusted"(Risch).

Thats what we are lacking more and more ...... "Character"

Well we live in Kalyug so what am I complaining about .... I guess this is just because of the day and age we live in now .. devoid of human feelings and overwhelmed by materialistic allure

The very nature of human beings (life) is "Selfish", everything we do is guided by selfish motives. In animals these motives are basic survival. In human beings its much more complicated due to bigger brains and a love for complicated and riddled comcepts. Selfishness is defined by the values one inherits or develops over his/her lifetime.

In Satyug the values were society, justice, collective, dharm and learning, but in present day and age the values have changed to greed, gold, cars, bling-bling, self indulgence.

This is what we are witnessing more and more everyday ....

The right path is always harder and evil always easy to incorporate .... this is why the new generation (including myself) is more and more drifting away blinded by the glitter of material.

Society, social, community welfare and concepts like this are alien to us and soon will be limited to dictionary terms with no significance in real life.

The capitalist economy has contributed majorly to this social decay and animalisation of human.

[kharub]

Hallmark of a Socialist system. Where there is an elite class, an impoverished class and a corrupt system. The impoversihed class feeds the elite class. The system provides for and protects the elite class.

Thanks for proving my point Kharub.


Dahiya Bhai,

Socialist ideology though perfect on the paper is flawed at best in practise .. nothing wrong with the ideology but with the applicants - human beings.
Human beings are selfish and that makes such a theory of common upliftment in human context total rubbish.
So yes Socialism is a control tool and exploitation mechanism.

The free-market or Capitalist system that you champion is not perfect too, it is leading to the total collapse of society and human values.

There must be a balance ...... cultural values, traditions and humanity must hold more importance than material gains and comforts. Otherwise we are not better than monkeys driving cars and wearing Armani Suits - even monkeys have a social structure .....

[bls31]

People in general have lost respect for Law and fear of police,daily happenings of vendalism,damage of public property un civil behaviour, road rage, with police disinterested in daily such happenings wher they have no chnce to make money

Brig Lakshman Singh
Hi All,

I guess we all know about the Noida Kand ... the families of the missing kids had been reporting their suspicions about the accusses to the Police for a long time but they were ignored and often beaten up by the police ... one of the victims who escaped the clutches of the man also tried to raise an alarm but was silenced by the police

So do the poor not count as human being and have the human values deteriorated so much that such heinous crimes are ignored by the very people who are there to ensure the safety of the common man ...

Very very shameful that it took so long and so many innocent lives for this to be noticed and had it not been for the media, I think this would have never come out

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Noida_serial_killings_Industrialist_held/articleshow/996797.cms

[rraajjeevv]

The adminsitrative structure in India such that the Indian police serve their political masters rather than the public. As long as they arre not accountable to the public, nothing will change.

Other than the victims being poor, another reason for inaction by the Police was that the compaint as reports of missing childs are usualy filed under a non-cognisable offence, and the crime statistics does not look bloated.

[dolly2003]

It is true that the weaker sections of the society fails to get justice, but the role of media has grabbed the attention of millions over this incidence.
This is really unfortunate for country like India where law and order are so poor,that leads to such shameful acts in society.

An alert police force could have saved the lives of many children who were sexually assaulted and killed by two perverts in Noida.
The police had fobbed off parents who approached them for help and had refused to investigate their complaints.This criminal negligence on part of policemen makes them guilty of abetting the crime.This gruesome example from noida, sadly, is not an exception but the norm in our country, especially when victims are from vulnerable sections of society. Even in instances when members of the middle class are targeted, the police have been found guilty of taking the side of criminals with links to powerful people.The Priyadarshini Matto and Jessica Lall murder cases in recent times have exposed the complicity of the police in subverting justice. Policemen often refuse to register FIRs even though it is mendatory for them to do so in event of complaint. We all know an FIR would make it compulsory for the police to investigate the complaint and submit a report.Blame it on inertia and laziness, or the pressure on them to impress their bosses that crime is on decline, the police are notorious for refusing to register and investigate complaints.
Therefore, every crime that escapes investigation is indirectly fuelling more crime; every policemen who refuses to record FIR is breaking the law.
THIS IS A SHAMEFUL ACT!!!!!!!

[rakeshdahiya]

The only crime of the victims was that they were poor....had they been rich and powerful the police would not have dared to ignore them. A case in point is the recent Anant Gupta s/o Mr Gupta, CEO Adobe, India (if i remember his designation correctly) Kidnapping case where the entire top brass of UP police camped in Noida till the time the boy was covered.

Police as somebody mentioned above is just their to server their polotical masters and rich people who can afford to hire their so called service.....

One possible solution to avoid the occurrence of this type of horrible incidents is to make police accountable right froma santri to DGP........jo jaisee kaireega wo waise bharee ga but as citizens we should also raise out voice, thru whatever channels and try to make it heard...

[dolly2003]

Noida serial killings are truely barbaric.

After 59 years of independence,where do we stand now?
Are we really Independent?
How safe are our children in our country?
Only the elite group in the country are protected by the police.Now a days, reading a newspaper makes one feel that he/she is reading a horror novel.NOt a single days goes by when one does not come across news about minors being raped, dowry related killings,kidnapping,bomb blast,robbery,riot,to name just few.

[vinaychaudhary]

i m happy to see that most of us are worried about what is going wrong at our nearby and very specifically JATS.