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ranjitjat
January 3rd, 2007, 05:54 PM
Gotra row ends; expulsion of newlywed upheld

DEAR ALL GOOD NEWS
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU.
This is a serious problem in our JatSamaj. We must find a new concept in 2007. Which can be simple & pratical, also preserve our values & Customs.
Here is a latest story. feel free to share your views.
The Sheoran Khap and 40 family of Punia Gotra agreed to live in peace.
The marriage ceremony held in Jui village in bhiwani dist.
The newly married couple now settled in Sarangpur our side Sheoran Khap and Jewali village.
Main problem of Gotra clash will stay until the khap panchayat come to some agreement on 3 Gotras concept.
Now Sheoran and Puniya in Jewali already can not merry in 4 Gotras
Sheoran
Punia
Mother
Grandmother.
Yah jo JUI ki Ladki hae 4 Gotra sy Bahar hae. Yah to Sheoran ki bhanji hae.Yadi Bhanji ky Got talne lagay to
4+4=8 Gotra ho jayegy aur kahin per bhi shadi nahi hogi. Girls ki Jato mae pahale hi kami hae.
Agar 8 Gotara Khap panchyat talnegi to
JATO KI TO16X2=8 HO JAYGI.
YAH KHAP PANCHYAT SABHI KY LIYE VIKAT SAMSAYA HAE.
NAYE BARAS MAE ISE PER NAYE SIRE SY GORR FARMAYAE.





http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061226/haryana.htm

Gotra row ends; expulsion of newlywed upheld
Raman Mohan
Tribune News Service

Badhra (Bhiwani), December 25
The 15-day-old row over the marriage of a Poonia boy to a girl with maternal links to Sheoran gotra ended today when the Sheoran-25 khap panchayat upheld the expulsion of the newly-wed for life from the village but allowed the groom’s parents to live in the village.

The khap panchayat met today under the chairmanship of its former head Raghbir Singh. The panchayat after day long deliberations ruled that it would allow the boy’s parents - Hawa Singh and Giana Devi - to live in the village provided the Poonia families in the village agreed not to allow entry of the newly married couple, Ombir Singh and Saroj, into the village.

The Poonia community agreed to the expulsion following which the panchayat also ended the boycott of 36 odd Poonia families of the village ordered on Saturday when the Poonias refused to give in writing that they accepted the expulsion of the couple from the village.

Immediately after the reconciliation, the representatives of the Sheoran gotra and the Poonia gotra shook hands in the presence of the community elders and resolved to live in peace and harmony.

The villagers also lifted the blockade at the village. The Sheorans had put up nakas around the village to ensure that the expelled couple did not enter the village. They had been allowing vehicles inside the village only after verifying that no member of the family concerned was travelling in it. Even police vehicles were searched. The administration also withdrew police pickets from the village, which had been camping there since December 10.

The khap panchayat withdrew the fine of one ‘dhela’ imposed on former village sarpanch Ram Singh, who had opposed the panchayat’s diktat. The Poonias also agreed to withdraw criminal cases registered against several members of the Sheoran community in the wake of the dispute.

Ombir’s mother Giana Devi, who had till yesterday been opposing the expulsion, today took an about turn and expressed her satisfaction over the settlement. Significantly, Ombir is Giana Devi’s only son.

The row erupted after the marriage of Ombir Singh to Saroj on December 10. The bride hails from a family in which a close female relative belongs to Sheoran gotra. By tradition she could not have been married in a Poonia family of the village. The villagers met Hawa Singh on November 28 to urge him to cancel the marriage. However, despite agreeing to do so, Hawa Singh went ahead with the marriage. Active member

kharub
January 3rd, 2007, 06:11 PM
Ram Ram Tau Ji,

This indeed is a problem .... specialy when we have two or three Gotras residing in the same village.

As regards to the particular case I think the Poonia family was at fault because they had been warned before and should have tried to work it out with the panchayats and no go ahead ignoring their concern and marrying the girl.
They showed total disregard for the panchayat .... in my eyes this itself constitutes anti-social behaviour

But yes your point is completely valid.

Jat community is quite big and there is more than 16 gotras in our community so the problem is not so grave ..... but still we have to draw the line somewhere ..... otherwise we will end up excluding every single gotra

I am in no position to suggest a possible solution as I am not old enough and definately not a community elder and neither an expert in Jat traditions and culture ..... I think respected community elders like yourself must mull together and suggest a way forward.

I think the three Gotra (self, Mother, Dadi) exclusion tradition that we generally follow is allright and perhaps the village Gotra also ........ but anything more then that is just too much ......

trueblueindian
January 3rd, 2007, 07:12 PM
Ram Ram Tau Ji,

This indeed is a problem .... specialy when we have two or three Gotras residing in the same village.

As regards to the particular case I think the Poonia family was at fault because they had been warned before and should have tried to work it out with the panchayats and no go ahead ignoring their concern and marrying the girl.
They showed total disregard for the panchayat .... in my eyes this itself constitutes anti-social behaviour

But yes your point is completely valid.

I think the three Gotra (self, Mother, Dadi) exclusion tradition that we generally follow is allright and perhaps the village Gotra also ........ but anything more then that is just too much ......

Well kharub bhai in 100% agreement wid u..merri bhi katti bhinnn ki bhinnn

vinodks
January 4th, 2007, 01:59 AM
Thats good news that row almost temporarily over. Lets hope that we can reform these customs and get rid of some of the antique practices.

Interesting to know they settled in my village... will talk to someone to update myself on news.

-vinod


The newly married couple now settled in Sarangpur our side Sheoran Khap and Jewali village.

ranjitjat
January 8th, 2007, 06:23 PM
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18315


Dear Vishvajeet & Sandesh and all
This is a serious issue and we have discussed it in verious posts in the past.
We have to come make simple rules according to time.
We all agree on 3 Gotras & Village Gotra.
Self
Mother
Grand mother- DADI
village main Gotra- JIS GOT KI CHHADI HO YA DEHLLI HO
JIS GOTRA NY GAON VASAYA HO.
HAMARA GAON GHASOLA CH GHASIRAM CHAHAR KA VASAYA HUVA HAE.
SO HAMARE GAON MAE CHAHAR AUR 3 GOTRA- MAA- DADI- AUR SELF KHUD KY GOTRA KA RISTA NAHI HO SAKTA.
This is all accepted no problem even in 2007.
Some places They also include NANI- OTHER SAY NANI KANI
That is also ok.
Some places only 2 Gotra Self & Mother. that is also OK until both party agree.
But 4 Gotras + Bhanji, Bhanja is too much.
Some time even Shoeran Khap, they ignore Bhanji/ Bhanja depend on the
person, how strong they are.
I know few cases they ignored.
If the Khap panchayat agree on some agreement. They most honour it.
But now a days hardly any one care.
Gaon ki Gaon mae Girls & boys running away.
Sayad hi koe Gaon ho Jisme yah Case nahi huva ho.
Samasaya Bahut hi viket hae.

ranjitjat
January 8th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Dear Vinod
Hawa Singh wife is from Sarangpur.
So Fokat mae Bhabhi aagaye Kajal ghalne wali.
Abhi to Shadi karni hi padgi.

msingh
January 8th, 2007, 08:17 PM
i agree wid khurab coz 4 -4 gotra l\ ko consider karna wont bee the right thing coz neau tee chorre aala nee chori hee naa mile kaade 3 bahut hai ,,,,,


Ram Ram Tau Ji,

This indeed is a problem .... specialy when we have two or three Gotras residing in the same village.

As regards to the particular case I think the Poonia family was at fault because they had been warned before and should have tried to work it out with the panchayats and no go ahead ignoring their concern and marrying the girl.
They showed total disregard for the panchayat .... in my eyes this itself constitutes anti-social behaviour

But yes your point is completely valid.

Jat community is quite big and there is more than 16 gotras in our community so the problem is not so grave ..... but still we have to draw the line somewhere ..... otherwise we will end up excluding every single gotra

I am in no position to suggest a possible solution as I am not old enough and definately not a community elder and neither an expert in Jat traditions and culture ..... I think respected community elders like yourself must mull together and suggest a way forward.

I think the three Gotra (self, Mother, Dadi) exclusion tradition that we generally follow is allright and perhaps the village Gotra also ........ but anything more then that is just too much ......

ranjitjat
January 18th, 2007, 08:00 PM
think the three Gotra (self, Mother, Dadi) exclusion tradition that we generally follow is allright and perhaps the village Gotra also ........ but anything more then that is just too much ......


Some places only 2 Gotra Self & Mother. that is also OK until both party agree.
3 GOTRAs ARE OK
SELF
MOTHER
GRANDMOTHER
+ VILLAGE MAIN GOTRA ALSO OK
Daer Visavjeet
Good news Your resolution of 3 main gotras is passed with 100% majority
By Jatland Panchayat. Now pass the message from LA- BAY AREA TO SYDNEY TO ALL KHAP PANCHAYATS.
VJ Tera Parastav Saravsamiti sy pass ho gaya hae.
Abhi LA- BAY AREA SARI DUNIYA MAE BAJA BAJADE.
HA- LA./CA MAE BAY AREA JAT ASSOCIATION BHI HAE = BAJA
UNSE JARUR MILNA AUR KHUB BAJANA BAJA.
ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAYS.

positivelook
January 19th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Dudi Sir Ram-RAm

I feel these khap panchayats are keeping us backward with having a new story on board everyday. I cant understand how these people gets so much time for all these nonsense decisions. If i m not wrong few months before Haryana high court has strongly criticised all these panchayats and i m not sure whether put a ban on these panchayats or not. But wht i feel is its enough to left three gotras and thts it and if both parties are agree than why these panchayats create problem. Well i dont know when we jats understand all this that which direction this world is going.
I wish for a happy and prosperous life for jats in 2007.

Abhimanyu Phougat