My New Article on Kashmir

[dahiyarules]

I have written this article for certain columns. Please do not replicate it till Monday January 22nd, 2007. I am pre-releasing it solely for my beloved Jatlanders. :)

India-Pakistan Peace Talks: Tell Musharraf and the people of the Islamic Dictatorship of Pakistan that Kashmir Belongs to the People of India (Kashmir Included)

The scope of negotiations with Pakistan ended on the eve of the 1948 invasion of Kashmir by Pakistan, while the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir was still contemplating on whether to join India or Pakistan or stay independent. When India signed the accession by Raja Hari Singh, the people of India took the responsibility of defending the sovereignty of the territory of India including Jammu and Kashmir, and its people from from foreign invasions.

I have been a dove on this issue. I still believe that the people of Kashmir must be given the opportunity to decide their future. In poll after poll and numerous unofficial surveys, the people of the state of Jammu and Kashmir have overwhelmingly expressed their desire to stay with India. Perhaps they have see how the Muslim migrants from India known as the Mohajirs are treated in Pakistan to this day. No person of a sane mindset would say that there is religious freedom in Pakistan. Muslims in Pakistan have become subservient to the extremist Islamic terror groups like Lashkar-e-taiba and Al-Qaeda. My claim is evident from the demographics of the insurgency in Kashmir. The numbers of locally recruited insurgents has been dwindling over the years. Now, most of the insurgency is foreign supported and fueled.

Over the years that I have been running this site, I have received numerous hate mails from Muslims (presumably Pakistanis, wont be surprised if some Muslim friends have been backstabbing me). My stance on the right to self determination by the Kashmiri people isn't enough for these creatures. They are afraid that given the opportunity, Kashmiri's may declare their state to be a sovereign territory, and once again they would fail t get the crown of India. Pakistan has been creating fissures in India's fabrics by inciting the lower caste people for their despicable treatment by the upper castes. Pakistan has incited the Sikhs in the past to secede from India. Muslims have openly supported the insurgency by socialist-leftist guerrillas in the eastern states. Every violent separatist activity in India over the past sixty years has Pakistan written all over it. It is not just a co-incidence. We are bordered by a neighbor who has no desire to exist peacefully.

From my personal interactions with Pakistanis, what I feel is that these people are not interested in helping the Kashmiri's to practice their right to self-determination. They are mostly interested in seeing india disintegrate. From the day the tri-color flew over the Red Fort for the first time, Pakistan has not missed a single opportunity to undermine our progress. As I said earlier they have openly supported every known separatist movement in India. They have invaded India 3 times (I believe that we invaded them in 1972). To add insult to injury they have been hosting anti-India rogue elements like Dawood Ibrahim who are wanted in India mass-murder. It is also a widely believed that Pakistan has been undermining our economy by flushing in loads of counterfeit currency.

Had Pakistan been applying all this effort at building their own nation, they would have been a much better place to live. Pakistan lacks the moral authority to even challenge our progress as a multi-ethnic society. India has had 2 Muslim Presidents (including our current president Abdul Kalam) along with numerous other individuals who have held high offices in our Government. India has had star sportspersons like Mohammed Azharuddin, Pataudi, Mohammed Kaif, Sania Mirza etc. Bollywood's heart-throbs like Shahrukh Khan, Salman Khan, Aamir Khan, Dilip Kumar (not his real name), Nargis etc. India has the world's second largest Muslim population along with some of the most influential centers of faith and learning located right in our heartland. Accept for a few minor skirmishes aroused by some rogue elements (co-incidentally connected to Pakistan's ISI), Hindus and Muslims have existed peacefully over the years.

What does Pakistan have to it's credit. In nearly sixty-years of Independence they have had just one fully-commissioned Sikh officer in their military. Along with the bombings of churches (Christians are approximately 1% of Pakistan's population), extremist Islamic elements along with the government have overtly raised the few leftover Hindu shrines. Everyone knows about how the Pakistani military openly drove out the Hindus in masses and turned a blind eye towards the massacre of the leftover Hindus, after the partition. Forget about the religious minorities, the Pakistanis cold not tolerate the dark-skinned Muslims of west-Pakistan or Bangladesh. When the Bangla Muslims expressed their desire to preserve their ethnic identity, Pakistan slaughtered 3 million of those people of a lesser god in a span of few months. And here comes the Murderer preaching the priest about the sin of committing murder.

[dahiyarules]

Continued......


People keep countering me by bringing up the issue of the UN Security Council's resolution for a referendum in Kashmir. Who the f**k is United Nations Security Council. I look at UNSC as a cartel of the most oppressive militarized regimes of our time. UNSC overlooked the years of terrorist oppression by France in Algeria. UNSC overlooked decades of military oppression by Britain in Ireland. UNSC hosted the Soviet Union as a permanent member till it finally crumbled. Then Russia became the permanent member. UNSC overlooks Russia's massacre in Chechnya. As recently as 2003, UNSC did nothing to stop America's invasion of Iraq. Just last month, instead of proving Iran's nuclear program to be illegitimate, UNSC passed resolutions against a country that has full right to a peaceful nuclear program to which it has every right as a signer of the NPT.

UNSC has served the interests of it powerful few of the world who have just gotten too used to the idea of keeping the rest of their world on their fingertips. Press 1 to destroy Iraq. Press 2 to replace the democratically elected government of Iran. Press 3 to assassinate the President of Somalia. Press 4 to impose economic sanctions on Venezuela. Press 5 to terminate North-Korea's nuclear program. Press 7 to return o the main menu. This is how the UNSC works.

There are numerous secessionist movements in the western world. In fact I have come across separatists in the United States, who want to peacefully secede their state from the Union. The French separatists of Quebec in Canada are known around the world. There are factionist tendencies in Ireland. The Flanders province in Belgium wants to secede from the country because the Belgian government has forcibly imposed too much diversity on the proudly-heterogeneous French-speaking people of Flanders. The Basque separatists want to secede from Spain. There are leftist-separatist elements in Greece that attacked the US embassy just last week. Coming east, the Muslims in the western Chinese provinces have harbored separatist tendencies. Where was the UNSC when Chinese tanks ran over the pro-democracy protestors in Tiananmen square. For years, UNSC overlooked the bloody Indonesian occupation of East Timor. From what I see the UNSC has a very poor track record of resolving separatist issues within the permanent member countries and their BFF (Best Friends Forever) countries.

UNSC lacks the authority by all standards to decide on India's domestic issues. We are a sovereign nation with an impressive track record on human rights. UNSC is no one to tell us to hold referendums on our domestic issues. Whether we have a referendum or we delay one, it is an issue for the people of Kashmir and the people of rest of India. By, now most sane people of Kashmir would have realized that their separatist leaders like Yasin Malik who claim to be fighting for their freedom are on the payrolls of their masters in Islamabad. What Pakistan did in Bangladesh, is what is very much possible in Kashmir which is home for people who are culturally, linguistically and ethnically different from the people in Pakistan. For the moment, Pakistan needs to concentrate on its domestic issues like the raging separatist insurgency in the western province of Baluchistan and an increasingly militant Mohajir Quami Movement (the struggle of Muslims who moved to Pakistan from India, who till this day are treated like second class citizens in Pakistan). Pakistan just does not have the resources or the standing to negotiate with India about Kashmir

Kashmir is an internal matter for India. It is an issue between the people of Kashmir and the people of rest of India. Given our excellent track record as a progressive multi-ethnic society, we can resolve the issue among ourselves. Given that the domestic contribution towards the insurgency in Kashmir is approaching 0%, the day is not far when every man, woman and child in Kashmir would have come to terms with the reality that their future lies in a united India. As India has claimed the spot of the second fasted developing economy in the world, Kashmir has already jumped on the super-highway to economic prosperity and success. Once we are able to trample out the rogue foreign elements from our soil, we can re-develop Kashmir as a tourists' haven. Once again, the golf courses of Gulmarg will bristle with tourists. Once again, the houseboats on the Dal Lake will host visitors who just cant have enough of the beauty of Kashmir.

As India heads for the zillionth "peace-talks" with Pakistan, we must make it clear to them that Kashmir is a lost cause for Pakistan. There is no point bickering over it anymore. Thousands of young men from the rest India have irrigated the soil of Kashmir with their blood, in order to maintain its sovereignty. When you lease an expensive piece of furniture from a store, you claim ownership on it after making a certain umber of payments on it. India has paid its installments for Kashmir in blood and flesh. If anyone dares to question our sovereignty, there is always a ready supply of more blood and flesh to be paid as price for our crown.

I would like to conclude by saying that within my heart, I still wish that someday the people of Kashmir (the displaced Kahmiri Pundits included) will be afforded their right to self-determination. What Pakistan does in their part of Kashmir is their business. But, we as a nation will never do it with the barrel of a gun placed on our foreheads. We will never get the orders from Islamabad or United Nations, that dictate our domestic policy. It must be left to us to decide when and whether we need to hold any sort of referendum in Kashmir. But, it is not happening as long as we live next door to a terrorist state that has been sanctioned by the terrorist cartel that we know as UNSC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6255931.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_Wars

[mann123]

Rightly said Sumeet keep it going

[skarmveer]

Very Good thoughts Mr Sumit,

These really a Nationalists thoughts, I like very much and I am also have same openion about Kashmir.

Thanks and regards for this nice article.

[vivek]

I know Pakistan wants plebescite. Plebescite will not solve a thing. Let's go into imaginary world and assume elections are held. If the election results say India...pakistan will not respect the results...heck they do not respect any democratic results in their own country. India should not ever go down this slippery slope.

[rkumar]

Sumit,

1. India had three muslim presidents and not just two. Indian army/ airforce had chiefs from almost every religion.

2. India is not just a geographical landmass, its spiritual centre of gravity of entire universe. This is why India has survived all sorts of assaults and still kicking. More I look at her, more beautiful she looks each day. No wonder I have chosen to live here after seeing the whole world.

India is truly the sink of civilisations and it can dissolve every possible concept ever evolved by mankind.

RK^2

[vijay]

Nice and true article Sumit Bhai, word to word. Simply great. :)

But i couldn't got it that why you are against India's defence expenditure even after you know that how mischievious our neighbours are ?

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18392

[rohittewatia]

It was the same Pervez Musharraf who tried the Kargil mischief. How can we expect the same guy to do the opposite what he did before.

I guess Pakistan is just trying to wear some hide for some time and again when things don't solve with peace. then back to same old tactics.

[dahiyarules]

Nice and true article Sumit Bhai, word to word. Simply great. :)

But i couldn't got it that why you are against India's defence expenditure even after you know that how mischievious our neighbours are ?

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18392

Hey Vijay!

I was misunderstood to be advocating negating our defense expenditure. Thats not trues. Defense and security are one of the few basic human needs. Just like you cannot avoid spending on food, water and shelter, you need to spend on defense.

However, I am an advocate of economizing our defense expenditure. I mean: more bang for the buck.

Right now the field of defense and nuclear tech. are closed for the private sector. How about opening them up for the private entrepreneurs to innovate, just like they do in the west?

I think DRDO is pretty sluggish with both funds and at work. We need an alternative to DRDO. We cannot rely on DRDO entirely for our defense needs.

[rraajjeevv]

Sumit you wrote -
'People keep countering me by bringing up the issue of the UN Security Council's resolution for a referendum in Kashmir. '
I will be brief.
a. The first stage in the implementation of UN resolution on the prosposed referendum was supposed to be the withdrawl from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals
(http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47) . In the next stage Indian army was supposed to have withdrawn from Jammu and Kashmir. Although Pakistan keeps on harping about the UN resolution, but they are the ones who were never interested in implementing it at all. Plebiscite in 1948 would have made sense but it has lost its relevance now.
I feel instead of critising UN a sensible approach would be provide reasons why UN resolutions in this case are totally irrelevant.

b. Althought Pakistanis keep on raising the issue of human rights violations in the Indian side of J & K, the democracy and human rights in the Pakistani side of J & K has been a farce. Even the current President was actively involved in the ruthless suppression of the Shia revolt in mid 1980s
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/kpsgill/terrorism/06Mar18Pio.htm
http://www.saag.org/papers13/paper1241.html
A conscious policy of bringing about a change in the demographic composition of the area was initiated by Zia after the success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 in order to counter the growing sectarian consciousness of the Shias and their demand for political and economic rights on par with the Sunnis. This change was sought to be brought about by encouraging and facilitating the migration of Sunnis from the other provinces and the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and by re-settling Sunni ex-servicemen in the area. As a result, the Shias and the Ismailis, who constituted about 85 per cent of the population in 1948, today constitute only about 53 per cent of the population. The Sunnis form about 42 per cent and the remaining five per cent belong to other sects of Islam.
Here is link on the myths perpetrated in the international media on Paksitan and the need to resolve Jammu and Kashmir (the media has dropped Jammu for some time now, and addresses it as Kashmir problem) issue for peace and prosperity in the subcontinent.
http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper710.html
JMT

[ashokpaul]

Sumit,

India is truly the sink of civilisations.
RK^2

Namasteji,
India is not the sink of civilisation instead She is the source of civilisation. Why we are not still understanding the facts??? They(The MUSLIMS and ANGREJ) make us SINK during during their rule, now again we must rectify the system. We did nothing in the last 60 years in this direction instead we further polluted it(the source). We must arise awake and understand the system which was prevalent before Muslims and resole to implement that. Lets make a plateform for it. All JATs are cordially invited.

[kaushalsangwan]

hello Mr. Dahiya,everything u said in this article is almost correct but one assumption is wrong.it is totally wrong that kashmiris favour india.i am studying in kashmir. they totally support pakistan. if india conducts a plebiscite in kashmir, it is definite that kashmir will go to pakistan.they just hate military in kashmir, which is snatching their human rights.

[dahiyarules]

I dont know if anyone ever heard of Anjum Choudry. Those from UK must have heard of him. If you hear this guy talk once, you will understand the kind of people the non-islamic world is trying to negotiate with.

There must be absolutely no compromise, negotiation with Pakistan, whatsoever as long as they are a nation of Islamists. If they give up Islam and denounce Prophet Mohammed; maybe I will consider the idea of sitting on the negotiating table with them.

There is no such thing as a good muslim or a bad muslim. At the end of the day it is the ideology that bonds all these thugs.

[ratheetheraist]

respected bhai saab..!!

this reply is for ur article..although read it on ur website earlier also, bt its refreshing reading those beautiful thoughts which match somehow with mines(although nt tht wide, bt u make then wider n wilder wth every wrd) too;) .

worth reading n appreciating..!!

u rock dear bro..!!

regards
vikas rathee.

[ratheetheraist]

There must be absolutely no compromise, negotiation with Pakistan, whatsoever as long as they are a nation of Islamists. If they give up Islam and denounce Prophet Mohammed; maybe I will consider the idea of sitting on the negotiating table with them.

There is no such thing as a good muslim or a bad muslim. At the end of the day it is the ideology that bonds all these thugs.

or yeh ek dum sahi jawaab..!!

jordar taaliyaan..!!;)

[sampuran]

Dear Sumit thats a very nicely written piece. But I doubt what you have said about Kashmiri Musslims (as given below)

Given that the domestic contribution towards the insurgency in Kashmir is approaching 0%, the day is not far when every man, woman and child in Kashmir would have come to terms with the reality that their future lies in a united India.

The reason being simple and straightforward - the basic conduct that is espoused for a muslim. He is not to live in permanent peace with non-beievers. Any peace is only temporary , purely tactical. India never opressed the Kashmiri muslims.

If our excellent trackrecord mattered to them, there would not have been any insurgency at all !

[amitdahiya]

Dear Sumit
Four Observations for your consideration

1. Ref Para three of your original post. Independence was not an option offered to any erstwhile princely state. That would have opened a pandoras box of chaos and confusion that would have made 1947 look like a kids scramble at a birthday party.

2. If Kashmir is still in India after 50 years of vacillation and weak polity it is because the blood of the farmer soldiers son is both cheap and plentiful. The truth is while Pakistan is tactically creative on the ground the sheer abundance of fresh blood and body bags available on this side ensures that Pakistan cannot win Kashmir and India cannot lose it.

3. The U.S. strategy of making an ally out of Pakistan is more a means of keeping a real close eye on it than anything else. Iraq and Afghanistan are mere technology demonstrator and tactic development ops and large scale battle field inoculation operations. The real long term strategy is still a work in progress and India is the strategic partner there not Pakistan.

4. Third class thinking on both sides of the border ensures that things will probably get worse before they get better but a billion man nation can afford to 'make haste slowly'.