What is our Jat Culture and its richness?

[jitendershooda]

For last few days while going through some experiences in real life (mentioned below) and threads on Jatland like “Intercaste marriages” … Neelam Rathee’s post on “special thread for Haryanvi Culture” by harvinder bhai … I have few questions in mind … I request the fellow members to put their views on them …

Some of the members were very much concerned about the Jat culture and feeling that going for inter-caste marriages or not following traditions we are going away from our JAT identity or culture .... So it bothered me that What is our Culture? How we can preserve it? Do it needs rennovation with time? or does this time is to move forward without thinking about all these things?

Dr Neelam Rathee ji have given a very valid reason on that post …. Why it is happening to us only? Why we people are loosing our faith on our culture, traditions, festivals, folk music, dance, dresses, handicraft and language or boli etc…

1) What is our Culture? Can some senior members pour their wiser thoughts for this so that the newer generation can came to know about that and try to attach with that. Harvinder bhai theek kahe rahe hein … this is the need and this site should have a separate section for this so as to generate a place and collection of threads having valuable information about our culture and where new generation of jats can read and discuss. As in this changing world people of our generation have not much knowledge of all these like who are we Jats (Haryanvis/rajasthanis/Ups etc.)? What are our strengths? What is our culture and why should we follow it? What needs to be left and what needs to be carried?

2) Do we find some lacking in our Culture? Is our Culture not that much rich to carry it forward?

3) Are our interests in our Culture loosing? If so Why?

4) Why we have gone so cut off with our kind of people and culture? Other people like Punjabis, Bengalis, south Indians everybody following their traditions and culture are also growing then why we JATS can’t carry it with our personal growth? Why we have gone so distrusted and care less towards our culture?

5) Are these traditions, festivals, folk music, dance, dresses, handicraft and laguages not according to the changing world and time? Are we lagging behind in their renovations? Like

a. Traditions: traditions followed for marriages are not much followed these days, due to some extent the changing world and scattered families but still we can preserve them if we want in some way or the other …b. Dresses: pahelyan dhoti-khandva, daman-kurti … borla …aur kafi type ke gehne … were in use … mhare dada har ke time pe …then my fathers age most of them accepted kurta-pajama and dhoti-kurta is left behind … now the new generation is moving towards … jeans … capre … tops etc. …So is it demand of time or can/should we preserve our traditional dresses some how may be at the time of festivals etc.? So what is our pehchan? c. Folk music: ..ragnis (dumdar) … ahllas(am sure most of us also have not listened to ahllas) … haryanvi ladies geet (really melodious) … etc were there but now a days geet to lagbhag khatam hi ho gae hein … aur rahe sahe mhari maa ki generation ke baad nahi rahenge … shayad hi koe nae peedhi ki ladki geet seekhati hogi ya gati hogi … aisa hi boys ke sath hai about ragnis … So do they need change in their patterns such as mix with pop to get popular or what is missing? Harvendar Malik bhai aap thoda prakash dal sakte hein is par.d. Festivals: Jatan ka ya haryanvi konse tyohar rahege jo hum bade sheharan mein manavan haan … Teej … mere khyal te bahut kam …. Aathyam ki kadhai karya karte (may be small but an occasion to enjoy somehow) …holi-dulhendi (Narender Kharab bhai ne sahi kahi thi us thread mein ki jo nae peedhi aaegi wo kya sehan kar sakegi aapne traditional celebrations holi-dulhendi ke) … Do we need to stick with all these festivals or these are also things of past?e. Dance – yo te bus kite MDU ya KU ke salana karyakaramo ke liye rahe gaya hai and the prizes also are taken by the Punjabi or other girls who do these dances … I have seen some times … Andy dance huya karta waise ghaghra pehar ke jib chandrawal ke gane pe chori nachya karti … <O:p</O:p
Chahe koe bhi dasha ho in sabki par kahin na kahin jo apne se judi hui cheejen hein wo hi anand pradan karti hein …

Here one experience I want to share with you all … I had been with a JAT couple …really nice couple … hard working … bold and clear in thoughts and ideas like real jats … no meanness … overall good; behaviour wise … hail from medium jat families … guy is from village and even now have haryanvi accent a bit in his hindi too, as he studied till 7<SUP>th</SUP> in village and after that too in the same environment of haryanvi speaking … Bhabhi ji is from a family settled in city and have a bit good hindi accent and English too. They have a nice 3 year old kid … I was speaking haryanvi then they politely asked me to use hindi at home … as it will affect their child’s pronunciation and he will also catch up and start speaking haryanvi … I asked them …then what? whats harm in it? I speaks haryanvi at home and also told them that we had an online haryanvi dictionary too on our community site (an I had also contributed several hundred words in it :) ) … and We should speak haryanvi at home with our people, as it is our own boli … I have been to chandigarh and south India also and two person talks in their language when they meet, so do they lagged behind.
Then there was a query before me, from the couple:

1) What is there in haryanvi? Bolte hein to bhi aisa lagta hai ki jaise lad rahe hon? Bhadda lagta hai bolte hue bhi … Punjabi dekho kitni meethi hai … gali do to bhi ye lagta hai ki pyar se bol rahe ho … What will you achieve by speaking this haryanvi?

I have given my points …. “Aisa nahi hai ki haryanvi hi akhad hai … that also depends upon how you use it …. We can say the same sentence in politer and sweeter manner …. Like … “pare ne mar le” can also be used like this “Bhai ek be hatiye mada sa, mein bhi likad lyun” … also it is rich in words and vocabulary … It sounds a bit louder and strong as our ancestors used to be warriors and due to their tougher lives they used to speak this way and it inherits …. It has positives too being louder sometimes … It is our language and if we only will not speak it then it will also be rare … it is good to learn and being a child he can learn haryanvi, hindi and English very well … no doubt English is professionally required“

But I think it hasn’t worked :( .... This is not the first time I have seen this kind of new JAT couple … running after hindi/english by avoiding haryanvi at home

<O:p<O:p1) Why do we are avoiding haryanvi or apni desi bhasha …? <O:p</O:p
2) Is it good or ok to avoid it for the growth of new generation as it may hinder their success by any way? <O:p</O:p
3) Are there any negatives in this language? If so how can we remove them? So that it can be acceptable to all of us?<O:p</O:p
4) Does it matter if we are not following it and slowly it will remain there in serials and films used wrongly to show off rowdiness?

Shayad humein apne culture ki poori jankari nahi hai ... isliye hum usko apna kar garv nahi kar pa rahe hein .... use apne personal growth mein kanta samajhne lage hein .... koe to reason hai jiske karan apni community ke sath aisa ho raha hai ...(yahan hum ye bhi kahe sakte hein ki this doesnt completly belong to community but to this reason with people whether they are jats, brahmans, saini ... etc ...but it is among us too)

** Fellow members it has been becoming a practice here on our jatland, we come and got divided into groups while discussions. After that giving pat on the back of like minded and even hurting sentiments of the others. So please avoid this as these kind of practices betray the threads and people get involved in personal comments rather than posting for the main intent of the thread

[yatinder19]

Jitender Bhaai
You have written Gold...Fully agree with you and i hav same opinion as u...
I have seen south indian,be it tamil/telgu/malyali...They always talk in their mother tongue..They are proud of their culture and u see...they are more cultured,more developed than us...same in case of countries also like Japan,china and european countries where they have their own laguage integrity...
U have given an excellent story,This is as true as anything...I hav seen people from villages,after staying in cities,they dont want their children to go to villages and learn cultural things...They find it uncultured and stupid things...
Ek kahawat hai...Thotha Chana bajje ghana...
Our folk,dance are lost now,our food habits are also changing...In all our culture is changing...Cities are spreading and polluting the culture...

[skarmveer]

Bhai Jitender, Ram-Ram

Bahut badhiya likha hai aapney, Hum sabhi log jo cities main rehtey hai iskey liyea responsible hain. Harayan key rehney waley log aab yeh kahney mey sharm mantey hai kee wo harnavi hain fir language kesay bolengey.

Hamara culture, tradition and language bahut rich hai bahut sunder hai parantoo hamey dosroo ka culture sahi lagata. Ismey keesee tarah kee koi ferbadal(Improvement) kee koi jarurat nahi hai.

Hamen sabsey pahley to Jatland members ko samjhna chahiyea ke jab bhee koi apna karykarm ho usmey traditional dress may aaey. Koi Ragnee ka programe rakhana chahiyea. Koi bhee Programme rekh ker Teej jasey teuhar
samuhik roop say manaey.

Next DJM will start on the topik of Jat culture, language and tradition and put a programme of Ragani etc.

With Regards

[devdahiya]

Jeetu dear changes are inevitable in this world and we must change with time but those changes can easily be affected by keeping our core values and traditions intact with little bit of modifications in the later catagory.Infact it is a very complex issue as Jats are known to be indvidualistics and seldom move in unison and thats why during moughal period and subsequently Rajputs could unite and managed to write their laurals....it is a different matter that they are also in bad state today.


For any thing to stay intact,love for that thing is important.We somehow have got carried away with invent of time.Educated lot [so called BUDHDHIJIVI people] have drifted from mainstream with an excuse that our rural/not so educated people don't listen to them and hence it is better to leave them on their peril.Cultures and traditions can be best proteted/strengthened by educated class but they have taken immunity from the system[for whatever reason] and every thing is left to the people staying in the villages and for them whatever they do from morning to evening is Jat culture.



Things have gone a sea change.Educated people don't encourage their children to get a grasp of our local BHASHA and thus causing further errosion in the BHASHA bank.There is nothing wrong with our local BHASHA but we ourselves are not comfertable using it.....may be we carry a complex on our heads.I for one has proudly used my language always.Who says that our language can not be spoken in a polite manner.......It can be spoken in a most soothing way but because we are laud talker,the language becomes loud with the way we talk.



Our culture,eating habits are one of the best in the world but unfortunately we have started eating and drinking every thing which was once forbidden.In a way we are properly messed up society today,completely confused and off the track.Solutions are defficult to come by and remedies will entail mamoth work.Consequently we are suffering widely and are in dire state.We need thorough over-hauling but that will take millions of sacrifices and committments........DUWEEDHHA MEI DOU GAYE MAYA MILI NA RAM....is our situation.



To be contd......

[devdahiya]

Surprised.......why dis topic not debated enough.

[ssindhu]

hooda itna lamba lamba mat likhya kar. main te saans bhool gi thi. nana patekar te bolya kare, tu te likh maare hai

[anilsinghd]

Surprised.......why dis topic not debated enough.

hooda itna lamba lamba mat likhya kar. main te saans bhool gi thi. nana patekar te bolya kare, tu te likh maare hai


Dev ji , maada sa chota tha isliye padhan mein na aa rha ! :o

main bhi bas padh gaya kisi tariya :(

@ Jitender Hooda , bhai , u have written really well , and i must appreciate you for deliberating the topic so nicely and so explanatory ! :)

I find it odd that how can people think that following our culture , our traditions , values and language can hinder in our growth. In fact these are value additions to our personality.
IT is obvious that if we go along a particular routine then we surely are gonna get bored ! Infact myself was thinking on janamashtmi about the significance of festivals and the variety they offer and the impact that diversity has on an individual .

I believe in buliding upon the tradition of oneself , eliminating the wrong things or the things that have become vague in the present context and adding new features with time :) Infact this comes out of the spiral growth model , in which we build on the past and keep on adding !
:)

I find it very interesting to listen and know about our culture but the pity is that we dont get it in abundance because of shortage of adequate information and that is why exactly i find it a great idea to have a separate section in our community site . Kudos to jitender bhai for such a thought. :)

But at the same time , i am spectical of those who really dont have any damn idea about our past and culture and values and only term jats as bein arrogant , strong , dominating and applying their whims and fancies. In can site many examples , i personally have come across wehre people ( in the age group same as mine ) just think that being jat is a license to be abusive and offensive ! :)
Thats something serious we have to confront.


Have lots to discuss , will do that in due course of the discussion :)

[ranjitjat]

http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=+HARYANVI+LOK+SAHITYA+KI+DHOOM&spell=1


DEAR JITANDER VERY NICE THREAD.
WE JAT HAVE VERY RICH CULTURE AND WE MUST BE PROUD ON THIS.
I HAVE SPENT ONLY 16 YEARS OF MY LIFE IN HARYANA FULL TIME. REST OF THE IN INDIAN NAVY AND IN LONDON.
JAHAN BHI GAYE INDIAN NAVY AUR
LONDON UK- USA MAE JAT CULTURE KY
JHANDE GAD RAKHE HAE. AAJ TAK HAM APNE BHAIO SY ALAG NAHI HUYE.
SANYUKAT PARIVAR- UNITED FAMILY. OPEN HOUSE 24 HRS
HOOK PANI- ROTI-RABDI- MAHMAN DEVTA SAMAN.
DUKH-SUKH SAJHE SEER KA.
PANCH PERMESWAR- GAON- RAM- PANCHAYAT.
GAON VASE KA BHAI- VAKI KI RISTEDARI. 36 JATI- BHAI- KAKA-TAU-DADA KA HI RISTA MANTI HAN.
GOAN KI IJAT SAWKI IJAT- GAON KI BHAU- BETI SAWKI BETI.
ROTI-BETI KA SAJHA. JAT KI BETI JAT KY JAGI.
TEEJ TUHAR- HOLI-DEWALI- RAKSHABANDHAN
HAMARI CULTUE KY SATHAM HAN. BAKI JATLAND AUR NET PER BAHUT MIL JAYEGA. BHAJAN-RAGNI- LOK SANGEET HAMARI CULTURE KI LIFE LINE HAE.
HAMNE JO KUCH- PADHA-SUNA-DEKHA USKO SARTHAK VANA KAR JIWAN MAE DHALA AUR HAMARI CULTURE KI RICHNESS KO DESH VEDESH MAE PAHUNCHAYA- AUR KHUB PARCHAR KIYA.
BAKI- JISNE JAYDA JANKARI LENI HAE .
VEDESH MAE HARYANVI LOK SAHIT KI DHOOM NAMAK PUSTAK MAE PADHALO. FAUJI KI BAAT PER KOI SAKH- BOLO JAWAN

[vivekdh]

sir ji mere khyal se jat jitna durr jatta hai apne culture se utna uski izzat kerne lagta hai jitna jazba aap me hai uss se kam mujme hai or muj se kam kisi uss jat me hoga jo goun me hai

muje aaj tak khabi kahi bi jattu bolne me sarm nahi aayi agar samne wala samja sake meri baat ko lekin jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye chahe samne wala jat hi kyon naa ho.












http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=+HARYANVI+LOK+SAHITYA+KI+DHOOM&spell=1


DEAR JITANDER VERY NICE THREAD.
WE JAT HAVE VERY RICH CULTURE AND WE MUST BE PROUD ON THIS.
I HAVE SPENT ONLY 16 YEARS OF MY LIFE IN HARYANA FULL TIME. REST OF THE IN INDIAN NAVY AND IN LONDON.
JAHAN BHI GAYE INDIAN NAVY AUR
LONDON UK- USA MAE JAT CULTURE KY
JHANDE GAD RAKHE HAE. AAJ TAK HAM APNE BHAIO SY ALAG NAHI HUYE.
SANYUKAT PARIVAR- UNITED FAMILY. OPEN HOUSE 24 HRS
HOOK PANI- ROTI-RABDI- MAHMAN DEVTA SAMAN.
DUKH-SUKH SAJHE SEER KA.
PANCH PERMESWAR- GAON- RAM- PANCHAYAT.
GAON VASE KA BHAI- VAKI KI RISTEDARI. 36 JATI- BHAI- KAKA-TAU-DADA KA HI RISTA MANTI HAN.
GOAN KI IJAT SAWKI IJAT- GAON KI BHAU- BETI SAWKI BETI.
ROTI-BETI KA SAJHA. JAT KI BETI JAT KY JAGI.
TEEJ TUHAR- HOLI-DEWALI- RAKSHABANDHAN
HAMARI CULTUE KY SATHAM HAN. BAKI JATLAND AUR NET PER BAHUT MIL JAYEGA. BHAJAN-RAGNI- LOK SANGEET HAMARI CULTURE KI LIFE LINE HAE.
HAMNE JO KUCH- PADHA-SUNA-DEKHA USKO SARTHAK VANA KAR JIWAN MAE DHALA AUR HAMARI CULTURE KI RICHNESS KO DESH VEDESH MAE PAHUNCHAYA- AUR KHUB PARCHAR KIYA.
BAKI- JISNE JAYDA JANKARI LENI HAE .
VEDESH MAE HARYANVI LOK SAHIT KI DHOOM NAMAK PUSTAK MAE PADHALO. FAUJI KI BAAT PER KOI SAKH- BOLO JAWAN

[ssindhu]

sir ji mere khyal se jat jitna durr jatta hai apne culture se utna uski izzat kerne lagta hai jitna jazba aap me hai uss se kam mujme hai or muj se kam kisi uss jat me hoga jo goun me hai

muje aaj tak khabi kahi bi jattu bolne me sarm nahi aayi agar samne wala samja sake meri baat ko lekin jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye chahe samne wala jat hi kyon naa ho.
speaking jattu everywhere is no cult thing viv. infact i find it foolish whn ppl speak wid jattu accent in a foreign land or say in office...tht hampers career prospects, atleast in some professions, nobody is gonna send a jat tongue who has apprehension in talking 2 goras 2 US 4 an IT project. being a journalist, d day i will let my vocal produce jat accent in my english, i m gonna b kicked of job n starve.

4 me cult is nt in being stupid speaking in jattu accent everywhere. cult is in respect 4 our roots...i speak jattu whn among jats n english whn among mods n hindi whn amongst hindi folks. i dnt fuse 2 tongues n tht irks me so much. y spoil english bringing jatu tongue n y spoil jatu manipulating sum hindi tongue in it. let thm b pure...either theth jatu or sheer english. i hate khichdi

[vivekdh]

ss ji main jattu bolne ki baat ker raha tha apas me yani ghar ke aas pass apne logon me itna dimag to mere bhi hai ki US ya french aadmi ke samne main bhi jattu nahi bolunga main bhi noukari hi kerta hunga.apne to katti e meri bejjti kaa nash ker diya :D

simple example hai ki yahan jatlan pe english likhne kaa koi khas matlab samaj nahi aata or ye baat ho bhi chukki hai kai baar fer bhi log nahi mante main aise hi kisi mahol ki baat ker raha tha or jo insaan apni boli se hi sarmayega wo cult. ki baat kais akarega meri samaj se bahar hai



speaking jattu everywhere is no cult thing viv. infact i find it foolish whn ppl speak wid jattu accent in a foreign land or say in office...tht hampers career prospects, atleast in some professions, nobody is gonna send a jat tongue who has apprehension in talking 2 goras 2 US 4 an IT project. being a journalist, d day i will let my vocal produce jat accent in my english, i m gonna b kicked of job n starve.

4 me cult is nt in being stupid speaking in jattu accent everywhere. cult is in respect 4 our roots...i speak jattu whn among jats n english whn among mods n hindi whn amongst hindi folks. i dnt fuse 2 tongues n tht irks me so much. y spoil english bringing jatu tongue n y spoil jatu manipulating sum hindi tongue in it. let thm b pure...either theth jatu or sheer english. i hate khichdi

[ssindhu]

"jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye"


my reply was 4 dis particular phrase...it's nt bad if u try 2 mend ur jaatu accent whn u cum 2 sum city where nt all r jats...wat's d harm in being a roman in rome

[dndeswal]

"jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye"


my reply was 4 dis particular phrase...it's nt bad if u try 2 mend ur jaatu accent whn u cum 2 sum city where nt all r jats...wat's d harm in being a roman in rome

Hahaha - It is equally bad if a journalist uses this kind of ‘chaalu’ English. A reputed journal would not use this kind of vocabulary in print form, though this is good for chat sessions or sms. Have some practice of keeping your finger at “Shift" key for typing uppercase letters– write 'Rome' rather than ‘rome’.
:):)
.

[ssindhu]

Hahaha - It is equally bad if a journalist uses this kind of ‘chaalu’ English. A reputed journal would not use this kind of vocabulary in print form, though this is good for chat sessions or sms. Have some practice of keeping your finger at “Shift" key for typing uppercase letters– write 'Rome' rather than ‘rome’.
:):)
.
JL is mor or less chatroom only sir. will send u articles of dis 'reputed journo' (as per ur say)...to show u shift key functions

[vivekdh]

ss ji kyon mere swad le rahe ho :D apne to meri 1 baat ke kai littar mar diye

maine kahi thi

"lekin jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye chahe samne wala jat hi kyon naa ho."






"jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye"


my reply was 4 dis particular phrase...it's nt bad if u try 2 mend ur jaatu accent whn u cum 2 sum city where nt all r jats...wat's d harm in being a roman in rome

[dndeswal]

JL is mor or less chatroom only sir. will send u articles of dis 'reputed journo' (as per ur say)...to show u shift key functions

Just kidding Seema - but I do not consider Jatland as a Chatroom. If we want to popularise this site, discussion forums should have something presentable - even foreigners read material on Internet. For chat, use Chaupal function.

"Shift" button is located on the bottom corners of your keyboard. Keep pressing it with a finger and then type a letter - it will be printed in capital letters.

yups - this is not a classroom for learning typewriting !!!:)
.

[vivekdh]

lo ji cult gaya bera nahi kit baat ke chal rahi thi or paunch gai kit :D

Jat ke to chale naa chalee to datte na :D

[cooljat]

Quite disheartnin to read this!! :(

But I highly condemn this....for me its like a virtual home!! I've made or rather met some life long friends.....n its sucha unique platform to bring Jats frm every corner of world together...I learned a lot bout culture, Haryanwi Language, Jat history n lot more here only!!

I wonder how can u treat sucha virtual home as just chatroom :mad:

Nyways, DND uncle has already explained it more precisly :)

Rock on
Jit
JL is mor or less chatroom only sir. will send u articles of dis 'reputed journo' (as per ur say)...to show u shift key functions

[devdahiya]

Lets not drag things for hack of it.Non issues can be stage managed towards snowballing it into a controversy.Lets not pin point things and corner some one.My humble request to worthy members.

[ssindhu]

ss ji kyon mere swad le rahe ho :D apne to meri 1 baat ke kai littar mar diye

maine kahi thi

"lekin jab goun me pada hua ladka shar aata hai to wo try kerta hai ki wo acchi hindi me baat kare or jattu tone naa aaye chahe samne wala jat hi kyon naa ho."
"chahe" was d objection na...ha ha. wat do mean by chahe?...means he shud speak jattu most times...till he gets sum jat. kilkiiiiiiiiiiiii. chod just punning u

[ssindhu]

Quite disheartnin to read this!! :(

But I highly condemn this....for me its like a virtual home!! I've made or rather met some life long friends.....n its sucha unique platform to bring Jats frm every corner of world together...I learned a lot bout culture, Haryanwi Language, Jat history n lot more here only!!

I wonder how can u treat sucha virtual home as just chatroom :mad:

Nyways, DND uncle has already explained it more precisly :)

Rock on
Jit
yup n DND uncle has taught me very useful tool of making capitals--shift key...lol

thnx DND uncle

n jit chatroom is nt so bad a term...emotions ooze out in chats only nt discussions n probably tht's hw u hav made frends on JL n so did i...i ddnt mean any ignominous thing 4 JL... dnt put words 2 my mouth

[ssindhu]

n i pity at vanity of ppl who say tht discussions make a difference...nuthing makes a difference untill it's acted upon...plz cum forward who broughta difrnce thru discussions on net...special summon to DND uncle...

i claim to b no serious person here (n i m proud of tht since i dnt do pomp n show). tht's y i just hav fun n no foot in mouth discussion which lead nowhere..."show me deeds nt words" n probably tht's y i dnt bother 2 use shift key...coz i dnt care 4 words "here" at all

[neels]

For last few days while going through some experiences in real life (mentioned below) and threads on Jatland like “Intercaste marriages” … Neelam Rathee’s post on “special thread for Haryanvi Culture” by harvinder bhai … I have few questions in mind … I request the fellow members to put their views on them …


Dr Neelam Rathee ji have given a very valid reason on that post …. Why it is happening to us only? Why we people are loosing our faith on our culture, traditions, festivals, folk music, dance, dresses, handicraft and language or boli etc…
Here one experience I want to share with you all … ........ I was speaking haryanvi then they politely asked me to use hindi at home … as it will affect their child’s pronunciation and he will also catch up and start speaking haryanvi …
Then there was a query before me, from the couple:

1) What is there in haryanvi? Bolte hein to bhi aisa lagta hai ki jaise lad rahe hon? Bhadda lagta hai bolte hue bhi … Punjabi dekho kitni meethi hai … gali do to bhi ye lagta hai ki pyar se bol rahe ho … What will you achieve by speaking this haryanvi?


But I think it hasn’t worked :( .... This is not the first time I have seen this kind of new JAT couple … running after hindi/english by avoiding haryanvi at home

<O:p<O:p1) Why do we are avoiding haryanvi or apni desi bhasha …? <O:p</O:p
2) Is it good or ok to avoid it for the growth of new generation as it may hinder their success by any way? <O:p</O:p
3) Are there any negatives in this language? If so how can we remove them? So that it can be acceptable to all of us?<O:p</O:p
4) Does it matter if we are not following it and slowly it will remain there in serials and films used wrongly to show off rowdiness?

Shayad humein apne culture ki poori jankari nahi hai ... isliye hum usko apna kar garv nahi kar pa rahe hein .... use apne personal growth mein kanta samajhne lage hein .... koe to reason hai jiske karan apni community ke sath aisa ho raha hai ...(yahan hum ye bhi kahe sakte hein ki this doesnt completly belong to community but to this reason with people whether they are jats, brahmans, saini ... etc ...but it is among us too)

** Fellow members it has been becoming a practice here on our jatland, we come and got divided into groups while discussions. After that giving pat on the back of like minded and even hurting sentiments of the others. So please avoid this as these kind of practices betray the threads and people get involved in personal comments rather than posting for the main intent of the thread

This thread was somewhat inspired by my post as mentioned by Mr. Hooda. And Jitender Ji , I am sorry I m coming so late here.

Well the experience you faced is no new....And the reason is Haryanvi being harsh n rude. I agree with you it can be spoken politely... bt the general perception is this. And the problem is not exactly with the words..rather with the tone with which its spoken.
I ve also experienced this dilemma a lot...as here being in Chd,,,,surrounded by all punjabis/sikhs. Punjabis are never ashamed of speaking Punjabi... wherevere they are n watever the occasion.... n we haryanvis ... are so stuck with this complex,,,not to utter a word of haryanvi in front of others.
Thou people here on Jatland may have perception that I dont know Haryanvi or I dont speak Haryanvi,,, But I ve no qualms about speaking haryanvi... we speak haryanvi at home... and I ve no hesitation in switching to haryanvi in front of my colleagues when there's a call from my home. When they relish speaking punjabi so much,, why shud we be artificial in front of them ???
I am very poor in Punjabi.. so they alws speak in Hindi with me...n I appreciate their this gesture.
Per pata nahin hamare jaton mein kyun ye inferiority complex hai... n i feel this is just cause of the harshness n rudity in the tone.

[ssindhu]

sach kahu to jat culture daaru mae behn laag rya hai

[anilsinghd]

sach kahu to jat culture daaru mae behn laag rya hai

n i pity at vanity of ppl who say tht discussions make a difference...nuthing makes a difference untill it's acted upon...plz cum forward who broughta difrnce thru discussions on net...special summon to DND uncle...

i claim to b no serious person here (n i m proud of tht since i dnt do pomp n show). tht's y i just hav fun n no foot in mouth discussion which lead nowhere..."show me deeds nt words" n probably tht's y i dnt bother 2 use shift key...coz i dnt care 4 words "here" at all


Not a approach to be appreciated .
Not to undermine the essence of actions , incfact myself is a person who would love to do something all the time rrather than plain discussions , but surely i realize the importance of a prroper plan to channelize the respurces in an effective way ! :)
MEre actions can lend us trouble unwantedly !