Killed or Martyred

[navingulia]

Pakistan TV says. 3 indian soldiers butchered and 5 fighters achieved martyrdom.

Why does indian media treat soldiers as killed (as if they died in some drunken driving bash)

Secondly the media takes the name of soldiers and terrorists in same breath "5 terrorists 3 soldiers killed"

why cant we use the word 'martyred' for our soldiers. Dying fighting with a salay of rs 5000-6000 only to send back home. A family that is dependent on them. Kids who wait for their father to come back home. I think a soldier deserves more respect than just being reffered to as 'killed'

(Its same on all news channels and websites)

[ranvirsingh]

They become martyr after they get killed. Navin Bhai, your emotions and love for soldiers is evident and every responsible citizens feels same, but we are not fanatics like muslims and we present things as they are, and so does rest of the nations in world governed by sane people.
These muslims basically use their citizens on the name of martyrdom and brainwash them to kill innocent people. If you think that just by calling martyr Pakistan is giving more respect to them, I donot agree. Though a lot can be done for the soldiers who gave their life for nation but I think every soldier who died in the battle or otherwise is a martyr in every Indian's heart.

[navingulia]

Ranvir Sir,
You are right but am not asking to be fanatics like muslims.
See, a news item saying "5 killed in bus accident near Meerut"
This news is covered in much greater detail than "3 soldiers killed" The chief minister announces 2 lakh for victims andnews channels cover it in greater detail but the soldiers killed, not even their name is mentioned.
Is this soldier less important?
Or is it simply politics to give importance to other things?

We cannot progress as a nation if
1. we dont respect our martyrs/we stop respecting them
2. we dont respect people who do good/who sacrifice
2. we dont respect our country's position/principles
3. we stop bothering about our country's image
4. the greater good has less importance than selfish interests
5. we dont promote the feeling of belonging to one's counry or rather we kill the feeling

is it that we, as indians, are not sensible enough to understand it or we are too selfish, justifying our selfishness with examples of other people's selfishness?

It is said "A country which cannot respect its maryrs is doomed" Here the word martyr refers to everyone who died/gave a lifetime working towards the welfare of this country.

[yatinder19]

Media is not playing its part honestly.I have seen so many times when bravery of soldiers was not mentioned by the media.Once Army Major and 10 soldiers were killed when their vehicle was blown by RDX in Valley.
This news got few lines in Times of India and that also in the middle page.The Headline of paper on the front page was US embassy attacked in Saudi Arabia,No one hurts....
Media dont give due regards...

[ranvirsingh]

Its all politics. If I remember there was a thread mentioning that terrorists who surrender get more facilities than paramveer chakra galantry. This is the state of affairs and if you want to know my feelings then sometime I just feel like kicking the politicians butt. A soldier getting killed while fighting terrorists has become a normal thing for both politicians and media. So you can understand the situation.

[mamtadg]

These media people are part of civilian lot for whom it is just a news . More over on todays date people dont feel the same proud and gratitude for defence personal .

[shailendra]

why cant we use the word 'martyred' for our soldiers. Dying fighting with a salay of rs 5000-6000 only to send back home. A family that is dependent on them. Kids who wait for their father to come back home. I think a soldier deserves more respect than just being reffered to as 'killed'

(Its same on all news channels and websites)

...I agree; what could be possible wrong about glorifying a soldiers sacrifice (remember they are not 'draftees' like in most other nations, but volunteered into these services and knowingly go into extreme situations;...of course sadly martyred most of the time in civil insurgencies only! :mad:)

They should always be addressed by default as martyres who made the supreme sacrifice!!!...

Of course these ass*#@% in our media would rather talk and show for a complete two weeks (or more) something as useless as the Ash-Abhishekwaria shaadi .:confused:..rather than make these (almost everyday) sacrifices of our soldiers more prominent (as one sees here in the US when even a remote chopper mishap and death of even one soldier makes the appropriate headlines in all media at least!)...

But then that is because it is us, us who are to blame for the consumption of the more useless trash...us the common people and residents [and the new generation that does not want to do anything with this insurgency] who would rather know where did Mr. Abhishekwaria brought his underwear from for the marriage then reflect a moment on these poor (but brave) souls and guardians that get blown up unneccessarily everyday so that our Nation can stand up proudly at some #@%* world assembly and be able to say that Kashmir is still ours!

[sidchhikara]

Pakistan has no credibility. I donot care for what they say. The Indian mainstream media is also going the American way. The MSM in the US has been covering the arrest of Paris Hilton on drunk driving charges for the last 10 days. The Indian media probably did the same for the Bachchan wedding. Apart from addressing the soldiers respectfully, they could also talk about things like....
All the soldiers donot have armor vests
The vehicles they travel in donot have armor.
The terrorists have better and faster weapons than the soldiers.
Every soldiers does not have night vision equipment.
Do they have good communication equipment.

I personally donot trust the mainstream media. They are mostly biased and cater to the lowest common denominator.
Times of India is the english Punjab Kesri. They should stick to printing Government tender ads, obituaries, and the happenings in the Delhi socialite circuit and atleast one picture of shirtless Salman Khan. They should not bother to offer their lazy journalistic opinions on important issues.

The news anchors at Aaj Tak need to take it easy. Right when I am sitting to eat dinner, a hyper excited man starts yelling news to me in a really high-pitched voice and the sentences are always incomplete. Its like somebody snapped a 12 V battery to his nipples at the beginning of the newscast and he is yelling to supposedly drown out the pain.

I try to get my news from the internet because it is verifiable and bias free.

[shailendra]

The Indian mainstream media is also going the American way. The MSM in the US has been covering the arrest of Paris Hilton on drunk driving charges for the last 10 days. The Indian media probably did the same for the Bachchan wedding.

Even though the discussion is not about the media (sorry Navin; but gotta add this real quick)...and lest it be confused that I may be defending the American media (who cares!) you are missing the important fact that in all fairness it is at least balanced in it's reporting!

There are just so many various channels that cater to various viewers that there is something for everyone...(you don't have to listen or tune into the 'bad girl gone wild' crap if you don't want to); meaning while some channels are covering this Hilton fiasco; others have not even given it a fair mention...
In short at least they are not shoving it down your throat so that as soon as you turn on the TV, even the Country's very premier news channels have nothing substantial to offer for the 'I-am-not-a-mongoloid-idiot' and immediately start off by screaming about some 'shaadi kae liye pagdi khaan se khareedi'... or 'Don' nae Dubai mein kya kiya...etc.etc.

But isn't it that someone rightly said; people (read nations) ape the bad qualities first of those that they wannabe!

Enough said! :rolleyes:

[sidchhikara]

Even though the discussion is not about the media (sorry Navin; but gotta add this real quick)...and lest it be confused that I may be defending the American media (who cares!) you are missing the important fact that in all fairness it is at least balanced in it's reporting!


There is a growing inclination in the mainstream media to get polarized. There are right wing news outlets like Fox News (with loud mouths like O'Reilly, HAnnity and michelle Malkin) and left wing ones like msnbc (Keith Olbermann). CNN tries to walk the middle path with Anderson Cooper and Larry King, while throwing in a little bit of right wing propaganda with Glenn Beck followed by aaj tak style Nancy Grace.
Agreed there is still a level of journalistic maturity in some of the programs compared to Indian Media but that is few and far between.

This trend is also mentioned in this article....

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/428/state-of-the-american-news-media-2007-mainstream-media-go-niche

It is ultimately your choice to get your news from wherever you want - I like the internet.

[ranvirsingh]

...as one sees here in the US when even a remote chopper mishap and death of even one soldier makes the appropriate headlines in all media at least!)...
!


Shail I donot agree, hope you remember how long they dragged Anna Nicole Smith and the dispute on the issue of her daughter's paternity. Now you can see Paris hilton drama. Infact these days US media just mention hoe many soldiers died in Iraq. If you support US media for the coverage of Anna, you know what she was, then I think Indian media did better job by covering Ash & Abhishek's marriage.

[navingulia]

There is a big conspiracy. Those who are in power want to keep the masses illiterate, ignorant and then manipulate them at will.

Our soldiers win 71 war in 14days, 90,000 prisoners and in exchange our politicians cant even ask back a few hundred of our pow's in pak jails, they have to face a lifetime of torture.

kshama suhati us bhujang ko jiske paas garal ho

Britishers were stupid, the politicians are ruling and exploiting our country a million times better than them.
Politicians are encashing on an illiterate and ignorant population (they kept it that way) why should media remain behind. These days news means 'saas bhu aur saajish, miya biwi aur tv, tarrot card reading, feng shui, bejan daruwala.
Ekta kapoor says in 'coffee with karan', if somebody doesnt want to watch my serial dont watch, simple.
Fair enough, lets make drugs and alchohol freely available to all. if they dont want they wont take it.

Is there no one out there who wants a better society? or they prefer to be called 'the silent majority'?

[jitendershooda]

There is a big conspiracy. Those who are in power want to keep the masses illiterate, ignorant and then manipulate them at will.

Our soldiers win 71 war in 14days, 90,000 prisoners and in exchange our politicians cant even ask back a few hundred of our pow's in pak jails, they have to face a lifetime of torture.

Is there no one out there who wants a better society? or they prefer to be called 'the silent majority'?

Bhai wo upar aali posts mein Sidharth ne sahi kahi hai ... ek ek photu chap dein hein ... eeb kisse bhi akhbar ka sampadakiye/editorial ... padh ke dekho aap ... they are mostly from politicians .... and totally biased and not worth reading them ... wahi rajniti khinda dein hein ...

Par Navin bhai yahan bhi hum log jab bhi koe issue discuss karte hein .. to buraiyan ya phir kahe lo ki sachai to sab bata dete hein ya share karte hein ...

but what can be the way out? How we can be helpful in improving it? Sirf iss terah se condemn karne se to koe hal nahi ...