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dahiyarules
June 19th, 2007, 06:24 AM
Hey All!

The other day, I got a letter from the United States Marne Corps. Briefly, it said that upon recommendation from my now ex-University's Marine ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps) they would like to extend an offer to me.

As much as I hate the government, I shredded the letter even before I finished reading it. But, as the shredder cranked through the letter, a million thoughts flashed through my mind.

My great grandfather served in the British Army and then retired after being shot in Egypt during the First World War. He went back to his village to become a farmer. My Grandfather (Maternal) served in the British Army and then later on in the Indian army. He too upon retirement as a Colonel, returned to his village to resume Jamindari. My father died prematurely as a Major in the Indian army. Throughout his entire life, he maintained strong connections with his village. Later on my brother who was very anxious to join the Army, could not clear the SSB. So, he went to engineering school and moved to the US.

And now it is my turn. I have issues with the military because it has become just another Government Department. It used to be an institution of Pride, Honesty and Integrity. It used to be an institution that formed the bulwark between foreign invaders and our citizens. But, now it operates as a proxy of the government.

The Army seemed to retain its DNA as long as it was largely staffed with people who came from traditional Warrior classes like Jats, Rajputs and Sikhs. These people connected to the rest of our country because in times of Peace they were largely farmers and understood the ground realities of our society. That played a large factor that shaped their dedication and patriotism.

But, with secularization and the dismantling of the caste system in India, just everyone is encouraged to Join the military. People from SC/ST/OBS get special incentives from the government to join the military.

I believe that just because the recruitment and enlistment in the Indian military works like the recruitment of a government department, the military has been plagued with attitudes that do not have any place in it.

It is not a matter of injustice or unfairness to encourage the traditional warrior classes to enlist in the military. I am not speaking rocket science. Even the British realized this 400 years ago despite of their classical European liberal thoughts.

I am sure that my family tree mirrors the family tree of nearly everyone on this forum since we come from the same community. Tell me what you think about it.

Disclaimer: I do not wish to promote the idea of restricting recruitment in the Military to any particular community. I believe that all opportunities must be open to everyone in our country as long as they qualify the litmus test of being a true warrior. Being in the military is not just another job that could be treated as a source of a regular income and thus the ensuing financial security. It is a responsibility that is entrusted upon a warrior by the people he is intended to protect and serve. It is the warrior's responsibility to see the difference between serving the people and serving the government.

samranwa
June 19th, 2007, 06:57 AM
Dear and Respected Sumit,

I sort of disagree with your views that the Army is an establishment where necessarily a warrior must be present. My Maternal grandfather too was in the Indian Army ( A non Commissioned Officer ), and he retired from the post of Subedar Major. I have seen him and his sons, My Mama ji, who again is a JCO, with the rank of subedar in the Indian Army, and observed them closely.

What I carry as a view of people in the Army is that, people thirsty for power and security take up the Army as a career. The Patriotism in modern day has taken a back seat, as neither conventional wars are apparent nor the world is talking of battles to take over empires. And so Army becomes the safest of all places for anyone interested in a hassle free life!

One who is an officer seldom visits his home, and things are easy for him on his short visit ( the power he enjoys is high!). Inside the Army as well, the senior is meant to deliver and junior to accept orders. No complexions indeed!

Government being the most powerful body in the modern state, we can not deny the existence of its say in all fields. What is evident from your posts is, that you are a reactionary, and so deny all merits of the institution, on the basis of being run by the Government.

There are other merits associated with it... If one wants to experience that he belongs to a particular race, marshal race, he needs to be in the Army, no better can one see how very true the sentiments does one posses once he is in! The salary one receives being in the Army is more than the average salary of a moderate graduate! Work pressures in times of peace are negligible! Just some babugiri job and nothing else. And power... enjoyed till the fullest, even after retirement!

Yeah true we must encourage our generation to be a part of this prestigious institution, but not with an illusion of patriotism! As this concept does not work in the modern day! But with other merits of being in the Army.

Regards,

Sam.

sidchhikara
June 19th, 2007, 08:50 AM
I dont think there are any reservations in the army.I think anybody who passes the test and training should be allowed to join irrespective of what group or caste they belong to.

dahiyarules
June 19th, 2007, 09:44 AM
Even though you claim to disagree with me, you prove my point. Army has become a santuary for those who want to have a better life.

However, I tend to note that we must not doubt the convictions and dedication of those who want to become an Army/Air Force/Navy officers. Atleast from the people I know personally, these are youth with high testosterone who want to sacrfice everything they have.

Maybe it comes as a result of young age or as a result of fanaticism. I have and still have very high testosterone. However, I tend to put it to use differently; usually to promote individual liberty and smaller government.

You say that government insitutions have their own merits. It maybe the case. But, don't you think that those who who wish to be exemted from the positive effects of such merits should be allowed to have a choice out of government sponsorship.

I just wish that people had more choice. Because choice is freedom's fourth daughter (the other three are Liberty, Fraternity and Equality), we do not have freedom as long as either one of its four aspects are missing.

dahiyarules
June 19th, 2007, 09:48 AM
I dont think there are any reservations in the army.I think anybody who passes the test and training should be allowed to join irrespective of what group or caste they belong to.

There are no reservations in the Military, but there are quaint incentives here and there. One of them that I know for sure is that you do not have to pay the applications fess for NDA/CDS/OTA if you are from a SC/ST/OBC. Others who are part of the institution can shed some more light on such unfair recruitment practices in the Indian military.

The most well noted of all practices in the Indian military is that if you are not a Jat/Sikh/Rajput, you do not get the appointment of he Chief.