God's Existence ???

[dkumars]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

[itsnavin]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

Believe in God & Work...all your questions will automatically be answered.

Navin

[dkumars]

Believe in God & Work...all your questions will automatically be answered.

Navin



Truly said brother... but unfortunately i am not satisfies with ur reply.

[deepakchoudhry]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

Bade Bhari Bharkahm thread aur Khatarnak sawaal kar diye hai, aaj toh, Kya baat hogi. :D

Kuch Gana sa yaad aa gaya...AaJ Phir jeenay ki tamanna hai, Aaj phir marnay ka irdaa hai.

[shwetadhaka]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

Well, God exists or not has always been a 'question unanswered' in precise terms! There are many instances when u tend to feel that such great mechanisms, such great things can happen only when some big force is there to command all this! At some other times, we feel that however hard we tried to seek justice but there is no one who listened to our deeply urged prayers, there is no one in whom we can believe blindly. So, iGod's existence is still a mystery & mysteries dont have a clear cut answer to them !

As regards to what for we live, we are not here to just study, work, earn, marry, have kids, but these are the generally accepted set of things that a human does & i guess this is so because these things are related to the most natural urges that a human has, like urge to get loved, to live comfortably, to have someone there at all times to share happiness & griefs; in a nutshell these are means to survive in a better manner, but life is a lot more. It cant be explained or communicated in words, life is full of innumerable experiences, many a kind of feelings, finding answers to many a questions simultaneously, enjoying many facets of life 7 list is endless ! Life is journey, filled with so many moments and each moment tells us something if we want to hear, so life is making this journey, collecting the jewels of learning, enjoying the colours it shows, and feeling its candidness & lots more still ! :)

[ravinderdahiya]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

Bhai Devender aapki baat ka poora jawab toh nahi de paunga lekin ek baat kehna chahunga ki :
Ram, Krishan aur Hanuman bhagwan nahi hain kyonki Bhagwan Ajanma, nirakar, avikar, ajar, amar hai jo ki ye sabhi mahapurush nahi thay
jaise ki Ram bhagwan nahi they apitu Maryada purushottam Ram they yani Pursho ke liye nirdharit maryadyoon ke palan karnay mein sabsay uttam

n for impressive stuff, I am sure you will get it from the pool of the intellictuals we have on JL.
Good Luck

[dkumars]

Well, God exists or not has always been a 'question unanswered' in precise terms! There are many instances when u tend to feel that such great mechanisms, such great things can happen only when some big force is there to command all this! At some other times, we feel that however hard we tried to seek justice but there is no one who listened to our deeply urged prayers, there is no one in whom we can believe blindly. So, iGod's existence is still a mystery & mysteries dont have a clear cut answer to them !

As regards to what for we live, we are not here to just study, work, earn, marry, have kids, but these are the generally accepted set of things that a human does & i guess this is so because these things are related to the most natural urges that a human has, like urge to get loved, to live comfortably, to have someone there at all times to share happiness & griefs; in a nutshell these are means to survive in a better manner, but life is a lot more. It cant be explained or communicated in words, life is full of innumerable experiences, many a kind of feelings, finding answers to many a questions simultaneously, enjoying many facets of life 7 list is endless ! Life is journey, filled with so many moments and each moment tells us something if we want to hear, so life is making this journey, collecting the jewels of learning, enjoying the colours it shows, and feeling its candidness & lots more still ! :)




Well wrote Shweta... but u have written facts of life... like life is a journey and finding solutions to ur question... but this is not my question...
i want to ask... why we are born ?
If u say we are evolved from monkey, scientifically then i got my answer. But if not then bhagwan exists. And if he exists then he is driving this universe. So he has given birth to humans, animals,insects etc etc... Why he has produced us ? Any spl reason or simply without reason.
As per hindu mythology our next current birth is result of our poonya karma of previous births and wthat we do now will decide next birth... that cycle of 84 lakh yoniya...
i just want to know others view... may be some satisfactory ans i will get.

Well i know that this is a wrong place to fire such question as we all are sansarik, koi bade saadhu mahatma(Plz don compare them with those we are discussing in other threads) ho toh ans de sakte hai... par phir bhi aise hi likha.

[neels]

i want to ask... why we are born ?
If u say we are evolved from monkey, scientifically then i got my answer. But if not then bhagwan exists. And if he exists then he is driving this universe. So he has given birth to humans, animals,insects etc etc... Why he has produced us ? Any spl reason or simply without reason.
As per hindu mythology our next current birth is result of our poonya karma of previous births and wthat we do now will decide next birth... that cycle of 84 lakh yoniya...
i just want to know others view... may be some satisfactory ans i will get.

.

No answers ---
1. About Existence of God - I'll say its a matter of belief, Those who believe in God, for them God exist, while for the atheists, He doesn't. Scientifically I don't know whether God does Exist or Not...!!!
2. About our own existence... what' s the purpose,,, well I m also on the question side,,, who wants to know the answer.

[rkumar]

is it really necessary to know if God exists? Man is a funny animal and he is incapable of accepting a God who has non-human form. May I ask members as to what made us think that God can have only male sex ? We are extending our social structure even to the God...isn't it funny? What God can't be a donkey or ant? Unable to answer this, someone will take of Omni presence of God... what a way of overcoming our limited knowledge...

After hearing this debate 100s of times, I feel that it hardly matters whetehr God exists or does not exists... One can spilit his hairs to reach any conclusion on this topic... So just be happy whatever way you want to be...It won't really matter either way.

RK^2

[dkumars]

is it really necessary to know if God exists? Man is a funny animal and he is incapable of accepting a God who has non-human form. May I ask members as to what made us think that God can have only male sex ? We are extending our social structure even to the God...isn't it funny? What God can't be a donkey or ant? Unable to answer this, someone will take of Omni presence of God... what a way of overcoming our limited knowledge...

After hearing this debate 100s of times, I feel that it hardly matters whetehr God exists or does not exists... One can spilit his hairs to reach any conclusion on this topic... So just be happy whatever way you want to be...It won't really matter either way.

RK^2

May I ask members as to what made us think that God can have only male sex ? We are extending our social structure even to the God...isn't it funny? What God can't be a donkey or ant?

Well Kumar sir... this is my another question...

no sir i am happy and enjoying ... but what i wanted to ask is just that what is the purpose of our life ??? scientifically i know... how life came and no spl purpose... but somehow i am not satisfied with this evolution theory... such a gr8 evolution... soul, rebirth and all, these words always raise a lot of question in my mind.

Suppose, god exist... and ram, krishan, vishnu they all are gods then there should be some motto behind our birth... there shud be some spl reason behind it. Why a lot of ppl turn to sadhus(not the dhongi)... y shastra says the last padav of our life shud be sanyasi(search of god)...
some ppl can be dhongi... but i have seen intellectual mass, scientists and lot more to solve this question... so is this all true ... whether they achive their goal or simply an illusion???

Once swami vivekanand asked Paramhans Swami RamKishan.. have u seen god... and he replied yes... ????????????????

well i know that there is no proper answer for this... whole world is trying to solve this mystery and waiting for some satisfactory ans...

Par chalo kuch gyan mil jaaye aap sabhi se toh kya bura hai... hehe

[rkumar]

May I ask members as to what made us think that God can have only male sex ? We are extending our social structure even to the God...isn't it funny? What God can't be a donkey or ant?

Well Kumar sir... this is my another question...

no sir i am happy and enjoying ... but what i wanted to ask is just that what is the purpose of our life ??? scientifically i know... how life came and no spl purpose... but somehow i am not satisfied with this evolution theory... such a gr8 evolution... soul, rebirth and all, these words always raise a lot of question in my mind.

Suppose, god exist... and ram, krishan, vishnu they all are gods then there should be some motto behind our birth... there shud be some spl reason behind it. Why a lot of ppl turn to sadhus(not the dhongi)... y shastra says the last padav of our life shud be sanyasi(search of god)...
some ppl can be dhongi... but i have seen intellectual mass, scientists and lot more to solve this question... so is this all true ... whether they achive their goal or simply an illusion???

Once swami vivekanand asked Paramhans Swami RamKishan.. have u seen god... and he replied yes... ????????????????

well i know that there is no proper answer for this... whole world is trying to solve this mystery and waiting for some satisfactory ans...

Par chalo kuch gyan mil jaaye aap sabhi se toh kya bura hai... hehe

To me life is like a rope tied with two nails. The two nails are life and death on which we hardly have any control. Now comes the rope or string whatever one wants to call it. WE can use this string either for creating music or for hanging our dirty cloths..Its all upto us what way we use our life. There are no set rules.. Do what makes u feel happy and contended..Thats the only aim of life..

RK^2

[dkumars]

To me life is like a rope tied with two nails. The two nails are life and death on which we hardly have any control. Now comes the rope or string whatever one wants to call it. WE can use this string either for creating music or for hanging our dirty cloths..Its all upto us what way we use our life. There are no set rules.. Do what makes u feel happy and contended..Thats the only aim of life..

RK^2



Thankyou sir... a very practicle illustartion

[ritu]

for me god is truth demon is lie.truth can be in any form ,in a child's innocent smie,in mom's unselfish love or a stranger helping a stranger without any personal interest.I blieve in god but do not believe in ram,vishnu because i have never seen them and partially due to my arya samaj sanskars.to me god is a feeling of goodness,kindness and forgiveness.

[devdahiya]

This question has been asked many a times on this portal and i had my quest always in front of me like a big challenge.No answer could satisfy me because all answers seemed too far away from logic.I read so many books,searched net and asked many-2 people but to no avail.Finally answer emerged from deep inside my own soul and i am fully satisfied with that answer and as such has made that conclusion the basic MANTRA of my life and it is working fine with me with no curiosity troubling me any more.

My questions were;

1] If a human being has no purpose on this planet except suffering,reproducing,earning,spending and then dying........then what purpose these plants,trees and animals have here...they are more purposeless than us THE HUMAN BEINGS?

Answer my soul gave me:Animals and plants are not capable of thinking,Only animals have a small thinking power and that too is confined to a very restricted natural course of routine life.God made them for specific purpose and as such they come,live,serve[without any question asked or a crib] and die.It is with the Human beings that they are capable of questioning the creation of God because God blessed them with all virtues Except the control on time and of course the death.In other word he equipped human beings with great powers of thinking with which they could not only sustain and enjoy their lives but can behave responsibly towards other hapless creatures around us.He gave us many purposes to live...like he made partners,he gave flowers,eats,grass,water,air,fire,beauty,ugliness, sun,moon,stars,nights,days metals,coal,oil,fuel,children,education,money..... .many things for that matter to give us the broader purpose of taking birth,enjoying nature,growing up,enhancing knowledge,adulthood,marriage,children,success,fail ures,sufferings,happiness,disappointments,work to earn our livelihood...so on and so forth.....all was for a purpose..NOTHING IS WITHOUT A PURPOSE OUT HERE.So even still we are confused than it is horrible.


Suppose we are told not to move our limbs and just eat and sleep.....What will be the life? It will be a hell.So purpose is very clear;

Come on this earth,Grow in thinking,seek additional responsibility,contribute in making this planet a better place to live for other living beings,leave something behind of your KARMA so that others can be grateful to you after you have gone.


WORK HARD,BE A GOOD HUMAN BEING,SEEK RESPONSIBILITY,HELP THE LIVING BEINGS,LEARN MAXIMUM,SHARE KNOWLEDGE WITH OTHERS,FINALLY DEPART HAPPILY TO A PLACE NOT KNOWN TO YOU BUT IN THE LIGHT OF YOUR GOOD DEEDS YOU WILL HAVE THE SATISFACTION OF NOT CARRYING A GUILT FROM HERE.

[shashiverma]

I thought i will try to put my views on what i feel about god ....but after going though all the replies I feel its already answered well.
For me God is my strength, my faith and my bestfriend....As a child i used to see my god as a small kid who plays with me...and as I grow I visualise my god to be growing with me everyday.....I do blv that God is there and I look at my god in the shape which fascinates me. I do have a name and I feel that its no harm if I call my god by some name...... For me he is the one who have all the qualities which makes the life more beautiful and meaningful. He is there and I feel my God every now and then when I do something good and I find my god with me when I need strength to stand. God is the goodness in your soul. For me what is important is not the fact what God is or what God is capable of but what matters to me is that my faith in god makes me a good human being.

[dahiyars]

Dear All

I think God is creation of man and not that God created this universe. Can be argued at length . the concept of God has been changing from very early times according to the requirement of human beings. Science is always relative it can not be ever absolute. Grey areas where we canot explain things scientifically bring in concept of God. I think most of the things can be explained on bases of matter.

R.S.Dahiya

[pnauhwar21]

A perennial question but no perennial answer..everybody will have their own way of thinking and perception..you just need to accept whatever you think is best and wait for your death to see next level of this stage..

Though I keep on thinking about the question and my answers keep on changing, for now I can put forward one idea :)

Life is like a Video game - There are lots of stages of your life and you goto next stage only after completing the previous stage. God has created an environment in each stage and you need to discover all required things in that stage, fight with all the blocks and then goto the Exit door to goto next level. Similar to a Video game, there are hidden gems/points which you need to find out by discovering which help you gain points for next stage (ex. - good deeds, meditation, etc.). If you fail at a specific level, you will have to take rebirth and start afresh again. You will have some experience from your previous birth in an unconscious form which you will use for second try. So just like a game, you need to use various things available to you, get some new things, fight the destructive forces and try to live n reach the exit gate. Once you clear all stages, you will win the game, attain Moksha and join God who is creator of this game.

Now, the question is why God or that Superpower created this game of life? Answer is - just for fun..just like we create Video games..Its one of his way of timepass..afterall what else does he have to do?

The second question is - what are the other stages? Its all the game of dimensions..the next level is a bit difficult than previous one and is in a higher dimension..We are in 3rd dimension and our ancestors in other dimensions unless they failed on earth and took rebirth :) I can go on & on over this concept but I hope you got my idea..just match your life totally with a Video game and it will all look really similar..I will come up some other idea if it strikes !!

[dkumars]

A perennial question but no perennial answer..everybody will have their own way of thinking and perception..you just need to accept whatever you think is best and wait for your death to see next level of this stage..

Though I keep on thinking about the question and my answers keep on changing, for now I can put forward one idea :)

Life is like a Video game - There are lots of stages of your life and you goto next stage only after completing the previous stage. God has created an environment in each stage and you need to discover all required things in that stage, fight with all the blocks and then goto the Exit door to goto next level. Similar to a Video game, there are hidden gems/points which you need to find out by discovering which help you gain points for next stage (ex. - good deeds, meditation, etc.). If you fail at a specific level, you will have to take rebirth and start afresh again. You will have some experience from your previous birth in an unconscious form which you will use for second try. So just like a game, you need to use various things available to you, get some new things, fight the destructive forces and try to live n reach the exit gate. Once you clear all stages, you will win the game, attain Moksha and join God who is creator of this game.

Now, the question is why God or that Superpower created this game of life? Answer is - just for fun..just like we create Video games..Its one of his way of timepass..afterall what else does he have to do?

The second question is - what are the other stages? Its all the game of dimensions..the next level is a bit difficult than previous one and is in a higher dimension..We are in 3rd dimension and our ancestors in other dimensions unless they failed on earth and took rebirth :) I can go on & on over this concept but I hope you got my idea..just match your life totally with a Video game and it will all look really similar..I will come up some other idea if it strikes !!



Yeah this is one which matches with my mentality... i too feel the same but never interpreted video game this way but my approach is also much close to this

[rkumar]

Yeah this is one which matches with my mentality... i too feel the same but never interpreted video game this way but my approach is also much close to this

Zindgi hai khel, koi pass koi fail
khiladi hai koi, anadi hai koi..

hope you guys have heard this song.. Our films have songs almost for all situations in life..

Life is business for a business man
life is game for a player
life is war for a warrier
life is a peg of whisky for someone like me. Wish I get another peg...LOL
.
..
we can go on adding our own versions of life...

RK^2

[sunitahooda]

I really never believed in this scientific logic that Humans are evoled from monkeys....If we really did then WHY MONKEYS ARE STILL THERE? Or was it some Nature's maufacturing or Evolutionary Defect that some changed into monkeys and some didn't so the answer may come like this- Those who tried harder became human and those who tried less remained- MONKEYS/CHIMPANZEE/BABOON etc.? But isn't it illogical?Well wrote Shweta... but u have written facts of life... like life is a journey and finding solutions to ur question... but this is not my question...
i want to ask... why we are born ? [SIZE="3"]
If u say we are evolved from monkey, scientifically then i got my answer. But if not then bhagwan exists. And if he exists then he is driving this universe. So he has given birth to humans, animals,insects etc etc... Why he has produced us ? Any spl reason or simply without reason.
As per hindu mythology our next current birth is result of our poonya karma of previous births and wthat we do now will decide next birth... that cycle of 84 lakh yoniya...
i just want to know others view... may be some satisfactory ans i will get.

Well i know that this is a wrong place to fire such question as we all are sansarik, koi bade saadhu mahatma(Plz don compare them with those we are discussing in other threads) ho toh ans de sakte hai... par phir bhi aise hi likha.

[pnauhwar21]

I really never believed in this scientific logic that Humans are evoled from monkeys....If we really did then WHY MONKEYS ARE STILL THERE? Or was it some Nature's maufacturing or Evolutionary Defect that some changed into monkeys and some didn't so the answer may come like this- Those who tried harder became human and those who tried less remained- MONKEYS/CHIMPANZEE/BABOON etc.? But isn't it illogical?

I believe in another theory of this evolution..Genetic mutation..Read lots of material which says that our so-called gods were actually aliens(enough proofs) who genetically mutated monkeys n their clans who eventually transformed to human beings..Today, we all know what we can do by genetically modifying plants, animals, etc so this sounds entirely possible..

[navingulia]

Everything exists and nothing exists, its all a realisation.
'God' is a term coined by man and his forms defined to suit mans needs and desires.
We and our thoughts need to expand and evolve to infinity to realise the completeness of existence and non-existence.

God? your need will define him
most people turn to God for countering fear of death and harm
many use God to mobilise masses towards a selfish or common cause
many use God to provide purpose to their lives. when man was in stone age, getting food was a big enough purpose to occupy life. today food is no big deal so man wants a bigger or different purpose.

God is almighty, jealous, powerful, loves praise like hell, likes temples of Gold, omnipresent
He is just an extreme projection of yourself, what you want and like

I donot claim correctness because i donot need to.

[cooljat]

Best reply so far!!

I firmly believe no human got answer of this Question like this one too, Life after death ??

Why so impatient...sabko pata lagega, when u meet Death!! :rolleyes:

Marre bina swarg kisi ko naseeb nahi hota like that u gotta die to know the real truth ;) :)

My preception says, ya! there is super power exists, I name it Pramatma n we all have one part of it known as Aatma but u cant just see it but feel it....just like emotions, pain, love, air, etc etc etc... But its for sure Kuch to hai jo whole universe ko govern karti hai!! :rolleyes:


On a lighter note - like Melody Khao khud jaan jaao!! same way, maro to jaano ... :p :D ;)


Rock on
Jit

A perennial question but no perennial answer..everybody will have their own way of thinking and perception..you just need to accept whatever you think is best and wait for your death to see next level of this stage..

[rahulkumar]

Here is my view on it and this is my first post too :-)

I personally think there is a "superior power" that we as humans are unable to understand. Let's just say God doesn't exist but how can we explain the existence of Universe. Do we really need Earth? Do we really need this Universe to exist in the first place? Why even be born? Just the creation of Universe alone shows that some type of "power" exists that lead to creation of everything around us. Now some call that power "God" and heck some even too far by calling that power "alien". Keep in mind that all religions around the world are derived from same information of Astrology. One should question why soo many Gods that exist in this world are born on December 25. Religion itself was created to answer the curiosity man had and it's sole purpose is to keep people under control.

But Religion to me is somewhat needed to keep people in line. If we didn't have religion, poor people and the working class will have a hard time living in this world. When we are suffering or are in pain, we always call out to God. If there was no religion, I dunno what people will do. With God on their side, they keep going and keep trying and some even make it.

So do i believe in God (Brahman), YES because I strongly believe Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman) (superior being) created or initiated the process of creation around us.

We are part of nature and simply part of the creation (universe) and that's why we are born and die eventually. All the elements that exist in this universe is not being created or destroyed, it's simply being recycled. Since we are part of nature (elemental), we are recycled eventually just like everything else around us.

I personally don't have the answer to how a human should spend their lifetime but all i know is try to enjoy your life and help those in need if you can.

[ssindhu]

For me God is a word whose first letter is made caps. lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[dkumars]

For me God is a word whose first letter is made caps. lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll


For me God is a word whose first letter is made caps and that letter is G . lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllll

[ssindhu]

For me God is a word whose first letter is made caps and that letter is G . lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllll
you are bad at spelling out words sonny. Of course God's first letter is g. You learning like G-o-d? achcha khaase joke ka naas pit diya tanne mere

[dkumars]

you are bad at spelling out words sonny. Of course God's first letter is g. You learning like G-o-d? achcha khaase joke ka naas pit diya tanne mere


Ghaanaye badda lllllllllooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[sunitahooda]

Ghaanaye baddi Killllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllKi:D

[navingulia]

Rai Bhaai Devender, tannai yo 'God' kit jaatan ke beech mai ger diya. Eeb tai ye saare jama sod si bhar denge iski
aaj tak jaatan ke beech kunsa God tik sakya sai jo yo tik jyaga

[ssindhu]

Rai Bhaai Devender, tannai yo 'God' kit jaatan ke beech mai ger diya. Eeb tai ye saare jama sod si bhar denge iski
aaj tak jaatan ke beech kunsa God tik sakya sai jo yo tik jyaga
kilkiiiiiiiiii sod si........aaj paachche god na aave hadde

[cooljat]

Bhaisaab, ya hui naa kati aandi Baat!!
jamma ghee saa ghaal diya!!
aapne to sod si bhar di! :D

An announcement for u all-


Ahem Brahmasmi.....I'm the God!!:cool:;):)


Got it....ny further queries?? keep them with u! :cool:


Rock on
Jit

Rai Bhaai Devender, tannai yo 'God' kit jaatan ke beech mai ger diya. Eeb tai ye saare jama sod si bhar denge iski
aaj tak jaatan ke beech kunsa God tik sakya sai jo yo tik jyaga

[ravileo]

Lo brotherk kaya baat hai God hee nahi hota
Hota hai
muje se pucho

[deepakchoudhry]

To think Sun disappears at night and appears in the day is a very childish thinking.

Sun has not gone anywhere its the earth which is moving.

And we only know this, when we have acquired the knowldege regarding sun, earth and its relationships with each other.

Some people can live their lives blindly, according to their own opinions and interpretations, without ever finding out the validity of the opinions.

God Knowledge is science and is not based on anyone's belief or opinion.

[skarmveer]

For me God is verry much present in my life. I have a purpose of my life, God give me everything for my life and will thank God on each and everything.

We are feeling what ever good in this univers only because of God and what ever bed only because of our extra cleaverness.

More than half of this worlds population having food, wearing cloths and so on without doing any thing from where and provided by whom? God.

Why we are doing so many society welfare work, only because of God.

If we see the construction work relating to God (Mandir,Masjid,Gurudawara, Churches and creametion grounds with Dharamshalas etc.etc)is nearly 20% (Value wise)of all the Building, Grounds and other structures. Who made ? God.

Agar hum aaj achchhai kee taraf janey kee baat kartey hai to sirf bhagwan ke karan.

Agar insaan ney bhagwan ko banaya hota to kabhee ka khatam bhee ker diya hota keukee insaan kee to aadat hai agar wo kuchh bhee bana leta hai to ghamand say hee pagal hua rehta hai. Aabhe to dusra insaan khud nahi bana paya or kehta hai key hamney bhagwaan ko banaya hai ?

Duiya mein jitna kaam bhagwaan key naam per hota hai vaise eak bhee kaam bataao jo kesse insaan key naam per hota ho to mein bhee maan longa kee insaan ney bhagwaan ko banaya hai.

Bhagwan hum sabhi ko sadbudhi dey or usko jaan paey itnee shakti dey.

[deepakchoudhry]

God gives nothing, takes nothing and desires nothing.

We(Ego) make the choices.

A corrupt man goes to temple to pray so that he is not caught and he can carry on doing whatever he his doing with no hindrances.

Politicians go to balaji temple to become MLA/MP/PM etc but not everyone becomes what they desire.

Is Balaji(God) at fault then ??

Poverty aur prosperity is Man Made....nothing to do with God.

[skarmveer]

Kya aap Bata payengey kee agar Duniya ko Bhagwaan ney nahi banaya to keesney banaya ?Jab sabkuchh insaan ney banaya to bhagwaan ko banaey kee kya jarurat thee?Jab insaan sabkuchh bana sakta hai to khun keu nahi bana paya, sab kuchh bananey wala insaan mar keu jata hai. Usay apney aap ko to easa banana chahiyea tha kee jab tak chahey jiyea.

Insaan key itnee tarakee karney key baad bhee duniya ka sabsay bada project dharm(Bhagwan) say related kam hee keu hai. Udahrn key liya Dharmik sthal or dharmik kiryakalap jo aaj bhee duniya mein sabsay jayda logo ko roji roti deta hai.

Kirpya karkey kuchh gyan vardhan kareyn.

Aader sahit
Karmveer
Dear All

I think God is creation of man and not that God created this universe. Can be argued at length . the concept of God has been changing from very early times according to the requirement of human beings. Science is always relative it can not be ever absolute. Grey areas where we canot explain things scientifically bring in concept of God. I think most of the things can be explained on bases of matter.

R.S.Dahiya

[skarmveer]

Deepak Jee,

Sarey chor bhagwan key mandir mein nahi jatey sirf kuchh jatey hai or unmey say jayada tar kuchh na kuchh Dharam or Samaj key naam per bhee kharch kartey hai paranto jo bhagwaan ko nahi mantey wo to sara chori ka maal khud hee khaa jatey to dono meoin say koun achchha hai ?

Reg. those who are going to Balajee temple for their wishes and if not get then they try next time but never say its Balaji's fault.

Poverty or pros. is depend on our Karma otherwise laburers are doing much more hardwork then those who are working in offices and geting good returns.

God gives nothing, takes nothing and desires nothing.

We(Ego) make the choices.

A corrupt man goes to temple to pray so that he is not caught and he can carry on doing whatever he his doing with no hindrances.

Politicians go to balaji temple to become MLA/MP/PM etc but not everyone becomes what they desire.

Is Balaji(God) at fault then ??

Poverty aur prosperity is Man Made....nothing to do with God.

[deepakchoudhry]

Going off the topic :)

Poverty or pros. is depend on our Karma otherwise laburers are doing much more hardwork then those who are working in offices and geting good returns.

Exactly....we reap what we sow....nothing to do with god.

And I dont want to get into discussion of akarm, vikarm and prabadh as we will go off topic.:)

[stokas]

Sarey chor bhagwan key mandir mein nahi jatey sirf kuchh jatey hai

I think 90% of them!

or unmey say jayada tar kuchh na kuchh Dharam or Samaj key naam per bhee kharch kartey hai

They are 'there' only to 'share' their wrong-doings!

paranto jo bhagwaan ko nahi mantey wo to sara chori ka maal khud hee khaa jatey to dono meoin say koun achchha hai ?

Me!! Kyonki main chori aur beimaani nahin karta!!

Reg. those who are going to Balajee temple for their wishes and if not get then they try next time but never say its Balaji's fault.

They will never say!!

'Wo' kahte hain: 'jab bulawa ayegaa' tabhi jaa paaoge 'darshnon' ke liye!

Once my elder brother and my mother (who have been to 'Vaishno Devi' recently - some 15 years ago) told me, "Ek sharaabi sharaab peeta ja raha tha mata ke darshan ke liye, wo neeche khaaiyon mein jaa gira aur mar gaya". 'Mata' ki beijjati karega to aisa hi hoga!!

I went for 'darshan' on the insistance of my wife (some 8-9 years ago)! We were 3 couples (2 were my friends with wives!). I kept on smoking (because I have been used to it from last 23 years [till date!] and not to 'challenge' the 'real mighty'!) even after my whole 'lot' reminded me of not to do that!

Today, I am with you all!

Poverty or pros. is depend on our Karma otherwise laburers are doing much more hardwork then those who are working in offices and geting good returns.

They must have done something 'wrong' in their 'previous' lives - that's why they are there!

To be specific: LOVE yourself and other living things (say 'Nature') - one day we all have to die!!!

[devdahiya]

Sarey chor bhagwan key mandir mein nahi jatey sirf kuchh jatey hai

I think 90% of them!

or unmey say jayada tar kuchh na kuchh Dharam or Samaj key naam per bhee kharch kartey hai

They are 'there' only to 'share' their wrong-doings!

paranto jo bhagwaan ko nahi mantey wo to sara chori ka maal khud hee khaa jatey to dono meoin say koun achchha hai ?

Me!! Kyonki main chori aur beimaani nahin karta!!

Reg. those who are going to Balajee temple for their wishes and if not get then they try next time but never say its Balaji's fault.

They will never say!!

'Wo' kahte hain: 'jab bulawa ayegaa' tabhi jaa paaoge 'darshnon' ke liye!

Once my elder brother and my mother (who have been to 'Vaishno Devi' recently - some 15 years ago) told me, "Ek sharaabi sharaab peeta ja raha tha mata ke darshan ke liye, wo neeche khaaiyon mein jaa gira aur mar gaya". 'Mata' ki beijjati karega to aisa hi hoga!!

I went for 'darshan' on the insistance of my wife (some 8-9 years ago)! We were 3 couples (2 were my friends with wives!). I kept on smoking (because I have been used to it from last 23 years [till date!] and not to 'challenge' the 'real mighty'!) even after my whole 'lot' reminded me of not to do that!

Today, I am with you all!

Poverty or pros. is depend on our Karma otherwise laburers are doing much more hardwork then those who are working in offices and geting good returns.

They must have done something 'wrong' in their 'previous' lives - that's why they are there!

To be specific: LOVE yourself and other living things (say 'Nature') - one day we all have to die!!!



CRUX OF THE MATTER THIS.

[dahiyars]

Dear All

Sant Raidas defined God in his own way. Please go through.

R.S.Dahiya

[dkumars]

Dear All

Sant Raidas defined God in his own way. Please go through.

R.S.Dahiya



Yupp god is inside uss itself... good lines

[sidchhikara]

Most people believe in God because they also believe that life is sacred and it has a purpose....... There is also a certain level of arrogance that goes into this kind of thinking......... Many think that we humans are so evolved that there has to be a higher power that created us and everything around us - no there is'nt! The earth is 4.5 billion years old....... we have walked the earth for merely 150,000 years. Life evolved on earth by a series of accidents which occured under life favoring circumstaces.
We are nothing but a burden on earth ........ and will be wiped out when the next big asteroid hits or global warming (long shot)......... the earth will live on for billions of years into the future.
So your life is as sacred as that chicken you might have for dinner.
Believe in God if you want to - but don't pray because nobody is listening............ but that would defeat the reason for believeing in God in the first place...no?

Hinduism and buddhism are less absurd than monotheistic religions like Judeo-Christian religions and Islam because they keep things abstract.

This video might clear things up.... its in context of Christianity......but its funny nonetheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[navingulia]

Dear Friends
see, 44 replies later, this thread itself shows that 'God' is defined differently by every individual.
When 20 people on this thread have all defined God differently then what will happen when 6.5 billion people of this world try to define him.
In not one instance does God define himself.
When we get too involved in specific instances, those instances become our completeness. For some 'Ram' is a completeness, for some 'allah' and for some 'yesu' - the list is too long.
There is a completeness which encompasses all these and everything else too. Personally, i would strive for that.
Being a good human being is a personal choice. I want to be a good person but not out of a sense of charity for which my God will reward me later. Rather because being good appeals to me more and makes me feel good, because thats what i want to be. Goodness has an appeal.
There is goodness and badness (ram and ravan) in everyone. When we interact with the goodness/Ram the Ram speaks, when we interact wth the badness/Ravan, the Ravan speks.

[devdahiya]

Dear Friends
see, 44 replies later, this thread itself shows that 'God' is defined differently by every individual.
When 20 people on this thread have all defined God differently then what will happen when 6.5 billion people of this world try to define him.
In not one instance does God define himself.
When we get too involved in specific instances, those instances become our completeness. For some 'Ram' is a completeness, for some 'allah' and for some 'yesu' - the list is too long.
There is a completeness which encompasses all these and everything else too. Personally, i would strive for that.
Being a good human being is a personal choice. I want to be a good person but not out of a sense of charity for which my God will reward me later. Rather because being good appeals to me more and makes me feel good, because thats what i want to be. Goodness has an appeal.
There is goodness and badness (ram and ravan) in everyone. When we interact with the goodness/Ram the Ram speaks, when we interact wth the badness/Ravan, the Ravan speks.



Goodness and purity is Godly and Rest is evil.Call it God or something else but something governs us from somewhere.I am more than sure of it.Intelligence can't mask the Wisdom.Jo hei wo jarrur hei.

[navingulia]

Seema and Jit
we should also pray that God has sense of humour else we all are going to end up in hell (not that we would mind :)
Actually sometimes i feel hell wouldnt be a bad option if we get a bunch of good buddies there. Imagine all the fun we could have.
Yamraj also possibly is a Jat as he keeps a buffaloe. Most Jats find life pretty meaningless unless they have a buffaloe tied in the backyard

The famous haryanvi poet 'Jemni haryanavi' has written 2 lines which go something like
"Jo bhi mare swarg ko jaae, nark banaya kisliye ye humko dev bataaen
wahaan kya bhains bandhegi?"

[ssindhu]

Sorry for going a lil far, but can not stop myself from ventilating my ire on kawariyans. in the name of god they impede traffic and i hope all the girls out here will agree with me that they are the biggest eve teasers on roads while fetching kawars. i hate such hypocrisy in the name of religion. wish there was no religion and no such gods and such gods' followers

[navingulia]

Dev Sir,
You are right about goodness prevailing and God/Ishwar being there.
mere vichaar se apna karm karna hi avashyak hai, vo jo aap karna chaahte ho, wo jo aap kar sakte ho. Iske alawa agar koi cheez ishwar ke liye aawashyak hui to ishwar mujhe awashya bata dega.
Maine ye kabhi nahin kahaa ki ishwar nahin hota but maine ye awashya kaha ki har vyakti apne ishwar ki paribhasha swayam nirmit karta hai

[ssindhu]

Seema and Jit
we should also pray that God has sense of humour else we all are going to end up in hell (not that we would mind :)
Actually sometimes i feel hell wouldnt be a bad option if we get a bunch of good buddies there. Imagine all the fun we could have.
Yamraj also possibly is a Jat as he keeps a buffaloe. Most Jats find life pretty meaningless unless they have a buffaloe tied in the backyard

The famous haryanvi poet 'Jemni haryanavi' has written 2 lines which go something like
"Jo bhi mare swarg ko jaae, nark banaya kisliye ye humko dev bataaen
wahaan kya bhains bandhegi?"
ohawahahhhhhhaa. gadar

tanne te yamraaj bhi jat bana diya. manne pakka vishwas hai fer te main swarg main jaoongi. apna jat yamraj communism te hudde bhi follow karta hoga

navin tanne kutte ki ad daali JL pe, je buffaloe ke dalle e te le bhi lu e.

er tanne te challa paad diya. yamraaj naaraj hovega ibb tere pe. tanne jhote te buffaloe keh di. ibb bas MF hussain bana dega "yamraaj in intercourse with buffaloe" as he did in "durga in intercourse with lion". ibb na chode tanne yamraaj.

ha ha....kilkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiii

[devdahiya]

Sorry for going a lil far, but can not stop myself from ventilating my ire on kawariyans. in the name of god they impede traffic and i hope all the girls out here will agree with me that they are the biggest eve teasers on roads while fetching kawars. i hate such hypocrisy in the name of religion. wish there was no religion and no such gods and such gods' followers



Human mind is such that it can defy any and every thing but there are times in life when all we condemn looks so relevant...It is a fact Seema.

[sidchhikara]

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!




Its too late now.....only your parents could've helped

[dkumars]

Its too late now.....only your parents could've helped


Thanks for the information... i didn know that... thanks again

[mhundpuriamann]

I am always confused with whether God exists or not ???
And if god exists then Ram, Krishan, Hanuman all these are gods ???
Why the same god is appering with different avatar's ???

And above all... Duniya Bananewale kya tere dil mein samayee
Tune kaahe ko duniyaa banayiiii???

What is our real purpose of life ??? Is it just to be a good human being.... grow up... get a good job... behave good to all... get married and then produce kids n then enjoy grandchildren and finally die one day ???

Why am i launched on this earth ?????? HELP HELP HELP !!!

Although i have my own perception but wanna imbibe if get impressing stuff.

Welcome all ...:)

Dev bhai saab aapnke saare question bhot hi basic hain jo har bande ke dimag mein uthne chahiyen , lekin nahi uthte ye sabhi baatein main us time socta tha jab 9th class main thaa jawahar navodaya vidyalaya sonepat mein, aap agar bhagwan shabd use karoge to wahi ghisi piti image logon ke dimag mein aayegi aap bhagwan ki jagah lagao "astitva" yahi sabse suitable shabd hai , ye bhot jaroori qstion aapne bhot galat jagah uthaya hai kyonki ye bichare to ye bhi nahi jaante ki inke dukh kya hain , ye apni bimaarion ko hi normal chheej maane baithein hai kyonki 99.99999% logon ko wahi bimari hai matlab bhaagne ki hosh sambhalte hi samaaj daurne ko bolta hai , har class mein no. acche aane ke liye daur baad mein naukri ke liye daur , banda har samay agle maheene ke liye planning karta hua aakhir mein mar jaata hai, mere khyal se to us time bhi plannig karta hoga.
hum log kabhi present mein nahi jeete yahi hamare dukhon ka karan hai, main aapko ek personl salah detta hoon, agar bimaari hai to uska illaj bhi hai agar prashn hain to unke uttar bhi honge, unhe hona hi hoga, kyonki pyaas tabhi hai jab paani hai aa\gar paani hi nahi hota to pyaas kahan se hoti.
sorry! wo salah dena bhool gya, brother doctor hi bimari ko bhi jyada jaanta hai aur illaj bhee , is bimaari ka (bhagwaan ko dekhne ki) sabse scientificlly answer diya hai GAUTAM BUDH lekin agar aap unko direct padhoge to wo aapko samajh nahi ayenge kyonki wo himalaya ki choti se bol rahe hain aur ham log ghaatiyon mein se unko sun rahe hai.unko samjhne ke liye OSHO ko sunna parega aur daily kam se kam 1 hr. dhyan lagana parega ab dhyan ko cocentration mat samajh lena nahi to sab garbar ho jaayega, ye sab cheejen to osho hi samjha sakta hai.

[maniisha]

Truly it depends on everyone's Belief and God's existence
can't be proved by any physical method or scientific way till date.
Its our Faith on supernatural power, spirituality and religion....

God existence is hard, infact impossible to prove.
If we believe god is here then he is.
And if we don't, then he doesn't exist for us.

[skarmveer]

Aapney likha ke Devinder Bhai ney yea preson he galat jagah uthaya hai to agar galat jagah hai to aapney uska rasta bataya or agar wah rasta theek hai preson sahi jagah uthaya gaya. Dusra aapney kaha kee Osho hee iska sahi javab dey sakta hai to bhai saheb Osho key sarey cheley mouj mein keu nahi hai or keu Asramo key bantwarey per lad rahey hain.

Regards

Dev bhai saab aapnke saare question bhot hi basic hain jo har bande ke dimag mein uthne chahiyen , lekin nahi uthte ye sabhi baatein main us time socta tha jab 9th class main thaa jawahar navodaya vidyalaya sonepat mein, aap agar bhagwan shabd use karoge to wahi ghisi piti image logon ke dimag mein aayegi aap bhagwan ki jagah lagao "astitva" yahi sabse suitable shabd hai , ye bhot jaroori qstion aapne bhot galat jagah uthaya hai kyonki ye bichare to ye bhi nahi jaante ki inke dukh kya hain , ye apni bimaarion ko hi normal chheej maane baithein hai kyonki 99.99999% logon ko wahi bimari hai matlab bhaagne ki hosh sambhalte hi samaaj daurne ko bolta hai , har class mein no. acche aane ke liye daur baad mein naukri ke liye daur , banda har samay agle maheene ke liye planning karta hua aakhir mein mar jaata hai, mere khyal se to us time bhi plannig karta hoga.
hum log kabhi present mein nahi jeete yahi hamare dukhon ka karan hai, main aapko ek personl salah detta hoon, agar bimaari hai to uska illaj bhi hai agar prashn hain to unke uttar bhi honge, unhe hona hi hoga, kyonki pyaas tabhi hai jab paani hai aa\gar paani hi nahi hota to pyaas kahan se hoti.
sorry! wo salah dena bhool gya, brother doctor hi bimari ko bhi jyada jaanta hai aur illaj bhee , is bimaari ka (bhagwaan ko dekhne ki) sabse scientificlly answer diya hai GAUTAM BUDH lekin agar aap unko direct padhoge to wo aapko samajh nahi ayenge kyonki wo himalaya ki choti se bol rahe hain aur ham log ghaatiyon mein se unko sun rahe hai.unko samjhne ke liye OSHO ko sunna parega aur daily kam se kam 1 hr. dhyan lagana parega ab dhyan ko cocentration mat samajh lena nahi to sab garbar ho jaayega, ye sab cheejen to osho hi samjha sakta hai.

[mhundpuriamann]

Aapney likha ke Devinder Bhai ney yea preson he galat jagah uthaya hai to agar galat jagah hai to aapney uska rasta bataya or agar wah rasta theek hai preson sahi jagah uthaya gaya. Dusra aapney kaha kee Osho hee iska sahi javab dey sakta hai to bhai saheb Osho key sarey cheley mouj mein keu nahi hai or keu Asramo key bantwarey per lad rahey hain.

Regards
namskar chahal saahib,
Chahal saahib agar koi pyaas se bas marne hi waala ho to wo ye nhi dekhega ki paani ka molicular combination kya hai(H2O) wo iski history mein nahi jayega ki dharti pai paani aaya kyukar etc. etc. wo bas ek ghoont mein hi saara samandar peene ki sochega. agar osh ke chele lar rahein hain to isse kahin saabit nahi hota ki osho kanhi se bhi galat hai. aap bas ek baar dhyan par OSHO ka ek lecture suno phir dekhna osh ke diwane ho jaoge.

[mhundpuriamann]

Aapney likha ke Devinder Bhai ney yea preson he galat jagah uthaya hai to agar galat jagah hai to aapney uska rasta bataya or agar wah rasta theek hai preson sahi jagah uthaya gaya. Dusra aapney kaha kee Osho hee iska sahi javab dey sakta hai to bhai saheb Osho key sarey cheley mouj mein keu nahi hai or keu Asramo key bantwarey per lad rahey hain.

Regards
chahal saahib ek bas ek baar aap osho ka dhyan par ek lecture suno phir batana.

[dkumars]

namskar chahal saahib,
Chahal saahib agar koi pyaas se bas marne hi waala ho to wo ye nhi dekhega ki paani ka molicular combination kya hai(H2O) wo iski history mein nahi jayega ki dharti pai paani aaya kyukar etc. etc. wo bas ek ghoont mein hi saara samandar peene ki sochega. agar osh ke chele lar rahein hain to isse kahin saabit nahi hota ki osho kanhi se bhi galat hai. aap bas ek baar dhyan par OSHO ka ek lecture suno phir dekhna osh ke diwane ho jaoge.


Boss do u follow him ???

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

A very Happy 2008 & beyond.

Just quoting something I read somewhere.

"If God willing to prevent evil but is not able? Then he is not Omnipotent.
Is He able but unwilling? Then He is malevolent.
If he is both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? If He is neither able nor willing? Then why call him Gos?" ..... Epicurus

Two more that are relevant.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" ... Voltaire

"This world will never know peace until the last politician has been strangled with the guts of the last priest" ...Voltaire

Warm regards,

JS Malik

[pscil]

jad aur chetan these are the 2 states of matter. Matter at the highest stage of vibration is chetan or pure consciousness or god if you may like to give a name to it. At the lowest stage of vibration it is a stone. At the highest stage of vibration, it is called the atama in the individual.The sum total of the ataman is the parmatama in the collective or universal consciousness.:cool:

[zorba]

Duniya main jyadaterr Do parkaar ke log hote hain ek jinka jhukaav hota hai

"Bhagwaan hai " iske liye hazar tark diye ja sakte hain kyon hai

doosare kisam ke log hain jinko jyada parbhavit karta hai

"Koi Bhagwaan nahin " iske liye bhi hazar tark diye ja sakte hain

ye dono kism ke log ek hi sikke ke do pahlu hain, ye sirf maante hain kabhi jaan nahin paate ke ke Bhagwaan hai ya nahin

fir ek teesari kism ke (gine chune) log hain

jo khoj karte hain aur pa lete hain jo hai

[rvmalik]

Dear all,

Sorry not be a regular reader, Yes Devender your question is right, whether GOD exist or not, second what’s the objective of GOD to create this universe. In my personal opinion Ram, Krishna, Hanuman or who ever we know, some may be character of novel and others were the great martialistic and spiritualistic scientist (both type, today is materialist only) nothing else. The human tendency is to just enjoy, to get satisfaction by any way for which he can think or capable or incapable or even doesn’t know the objective, just he does, like get merry, earn money, be social, to help others, become scientist, businessmen, Usma Bin Laden or Bush, or become Sadhu & go to go Moksha. But nothing can happened with out science. Generally we say when man become the power (any positive) then super power then that’s the GOD. Now question is why anybody want to be super power whether man or GOD why?????? B’coz he want satisfaction with out any oppose, I hope to get the satisfaction GOD has created us and this universe. HIS power is behind our imagination, its nothing its scientific power as I understand.

If we see ourself most of us go to temple or faith in GOD, b’coz we learned from parents, from society and later we feel not to get whatever we want either b’coz of our capability or luck (GOD). Why GOD will do the favor who payer or who go to temple, it will be partiality. GOD is supreme power, its deep and deep and deep …………………. Science,
till now nobody could found any clue, any Rishi- Muni. B’coz as per Hindu philosophy even in Moksha you can reach when you don’t have mind and intelligence otherwise you will think and once you think you will have Sanskara (Karma, which generate by thinking, by speaking & by acting) and you can’t go by having Sanskar in Moksha, you have to kill them (tume karm bhogne padenge) and once you will kill, you will be generating other sets of Karma (Sanskara) so this is the cycle, this is the loop, this is Jeevan-Mirtyua, That’s the reason person want to kill his desire to minimize his Sanskar, become Rishi-Muni, then go from STHUL SARIR to SUKSHA SASIR (This sarir or this scientist can form any body, any where & any type you can say RAMA and KISHNA were they were in this phase of life) then further go to MOKSHA when you don’t have mind, people say that’s the part of GOD.

I am sorry, not the right person but finally GOD is a science, the thing which we don’t know or can’t prove say philosophy or GOD. I think GOD has created this universe to enjoy to pass his time. Anyway……….. we are nothing, if we don’t have capability we shouldn’t think much, just follow. If further intereted then go to step by step like in study, LKG, UKG, First………………then engineer/doctor/philosopher and then where ever you find to fit your self, either Himalaya (Rishi-Muni) or Hospital (psychiatric doctor). But we can go from 1st step to 2nd step if we have some power on 1st step, so to get the power, you need power, that’s why when Savami Dayanandi ji went to give a lecture in public, people did’nt listen him then he came back to Virjanand and asked why it is so……… then he told you need to have some power then people will listen to you (as I know I am sorry if given wrong example about Dayanand ji).

I think GOD is unknown thing and we don't dare think against him or to say any thing about him, if we say based on history RAMA was the GOD then why he has killed Sugreev, b'coz to find his wife Sita or history is wrong Rama was wrong. Why Krishna motivivated Arjuna to have a WAR, to kill so many people if he was GOD then why he didn't find any solution. Things look some time very funny but anyway.................... on some point we don't have control either capability or ignorance or GOD.


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