Indira Gandhi

[ssindhu]

There exists no politician in India daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten. - Indira Gandhi.

Probably that's why she is called "The original iron lady", title stolen by Lady Thatcher later.

I just like the guts she had to stand by herself in individuality of her thoughts. Though lot many people here castigate her. But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was. I gotta know a lot other facts about her from Raghu Rai, who shot "A Day in The Life of Indira".

I am tired of seeing those dumb headed and lamb type politicians who give up to allies demands and have no mind of theirs.

At least indira had a mind and had courage to speak it too

[devdahiya]

There exists no politician in India daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten. - Indira Gandhi.

Probably that's why she is called "The original iron lady", title stolen by Lady Thatcher later.

I just like the guts she had to stand by herself in individuality of her thoughts. Though lot many people here castigate her. But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was. I gotta know a lot other facts about her from Raghu Rai, who shot "A Day in The Life of Indira".

I am tired of seeing those dumb headed and lamb type politicians who give up to allies demands and have no mind of theirs.

At least indira had a mind and had courage to speak it too



Indira Gandhi was Very individualistic human being...........She was an absolute power corrupted very early.most of the time she remained busy in satisfying her ego....MORE THAN ANY THING ELSE.But yes she had the brains of her own and of course yes, that she was too far superior and polished than the present day MONKEYS.

[dkumars]

good... aap likhte rahiye... achha discussion hai... agar off topic nahi hue toh shahayad kuch naya milega padhne ko... carry on

[vairesatendra]

There exists no politician in India daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten. - Indira Gandhi.

Probably that's why she is called "The original iron lady", title stolen by Lady Thatcher later.

I just like the guts she had to stand by herself in individuality of her thoughts. Though lot many people here castigate her. But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was. I gotta know a lot other facts about her from Raghu Rai, who shot "A Day in The Life of Indira".

I am tired of seeing those dumb headed and lamb type politicians who give up to allies demands and have no mind of theirs.

At least indira had a mind and had courage to speak it too

No though Indira Gandhi was one of the best PMs so far India have had. Though a bit polemic, but a person who walks on his own-made way, controversies will always erupt...!

[prashantacmet]

Indira Gandhi was Very individualistic human being...........She was an absolute power corrupted very early.most of the time she remained busy in satisfying her ego....MORE THAN ANY THING ELSE.But yes she had the brains of her own and of course yes, that she was too far superior and polished than the present day MONKEYS.

ek baat yaad aagi iss inder kala ke upperre...jib haam maade -maade se balak the nu kaha kare the :
char-chavanni hokke main
er indra margi dhokke main

[dndeswal]

There exists no politician in India daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten. - Indira Gandhi.

Probably that's why she is called "The original iron lady", title stolen by Lady Thatcher later.

I just like the guts she had to stand by herself in individuality of her thoughts. Though lot many people here castigate her. But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was. I gotta know a lot other facts about her from Raghu Rai, who shot "A Day in The Life of Indira".

I am tired of seeing those dumb headed and lamb type politicians who give up to allies demands and have no mind of theirs.

At least indira had a mind and had courage to speak it too

I am a little puzzled about this idiom "cows can be eaten". Can someone explain? Though in her times (1968) a procession of Sadhus protesting against cow-slaughter was lathi-charged and fired near Patel Chowk, New Delhi, I doubt whether Indira Gandhi was in favour of "cows can be eaten". Or has this term been used for some other meaning?
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[ssindhu]

I am a little puzzled about this idiom "cows can be eaten". Can someone explain? Though in her times (1968) a procession of Sadhus protesting against cow-slaughter was lathi-charged and fired near Patel Chowk, New Delhi, I doubt whether Indira Gandhi was in favour of "cows can be eaten". Or has this term been used for some other meaning?
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well this term has been used for cow eating only. it was used in context that politicians in India say only which people love to listen and if somethings is against people's notions, we in india don't hav single politician who has courage to speak his mind irrespective of people's choice

[ajayverma1973]

But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was.

I thinkg Mr. Lal Bahadur Shashtri was the best prime minister

[prashantacmet]

Leaders should speak the language of public in democracy. Democracy never favours dictatorship. Leaders are for the welfare of public not to dictate the public. India was the worst PM who we have ever had..........

[vivek]

Indira Gandhi was a self serving, low class woman. When she was in high school in Switzerland, she got in trouble with the boys. She was a poor student. Then she had the audacity to put her opposition in jail, when she thought her power was in trouble. She was the one that initially supported Bhindrawala in order to cause problems for the state ruling party. Her father was no better. He believed that he was better than other indians...somehow superior.

Rajiv Gandhi might have been the best of Nehru clan.

[hdsura]

This is an example of exercising fundamental right of free gibrish.

Indira Gandhi was a self serving, low class woman. When she was in high school in Switzerland, she got in trouble with the boys. She was a poor student. Then she had the audacity to put her opposition in jail, when she thought her power was in trouble. She was the one that initially supported Bhindrawala in order to cause problems for the state ruling party. Her father was no better. He believed that he was better than other indians...somehow superior.

Rajiv Gandhi might have been the best of Nehru clan.

[amanjaat]

it doesnt matter what kind of person she was..
she was a failure when it comes to politics..
she played dirty politics in punjab, and isolated a whole people.
COUNT ME ONE TRAIT OF GREAT LEADERS SHE POSESSED.
..no humility,compassion,affection for people...JUST DIRTY INDIVIDUALISTIC DIRTY POLITICS...which in the end torn apart her own house too

[sidchhikara]

Let me clarify a few things about Indira Gandhi - she was average intellectually, very insecure about her looks, minimally educated, came from a disturbed family, was a snob and a control freak, no idea about realpolitik (did what her group of close sycophant advisors said....who were lining their own pockets with public cash by being Indira's puppetmasters by feeding into her insecurities).... because of which her economic theories are priceless!!. These were her admirable traits..........and also she was the biggest liar in the world (you should read on her Garibi hatao BS).
The above qualities made her cruel, soulless on top of the fact that she was a complete moron.
Before she came into politics ..she did not want to do any real politics in India....she wanted to buy a house in England and live over there because she thought Indians were uneducated, uncultured ........blah blah blah!! which I agree with.but how much sophistication can you have when you donot know when your next meal is gonna come from, cannot feed or clothe your children.......and there is a good chance that you might perish with your family with malaria in the next monsoon season - Hey who am I to judge ppl .....but maybe she should have taken her a$$ to England and not torture unsophisticated Indians.

OK.... here's an analogy that sums it up....... India Gandhi becoming the PM of our country was like..... an office temp with a bad attitude being made the CEO of the company.

Its easy to sit now and eulogise the Iron Lady ....why the f*ck is that a great human trait anyways????.........I think its an irony!!.........especially in her case....... the above statement is heavy but is not ironical. The term Iron lady is also an oxymoron btw.............coined by some stupid Britisher.


Its almost 2008....we need to stop obsessing about Indira Gandhi's metallurgical personality (let her pictures gather dust in police thaanas and congress offices).......and try our best to not see her legacy being brought back to life again..........lets move toward freedom and away from government tyranny.


I suggest all these scumbag politicians who talk about "Garibi Hatao" should be kicked in the gut with an iron bat with Indira Gandhi's picture on it. Leave the poeple alone....... they will hatao their garibi on their own............ they donot need any government subsidies......no NREG's.........all they need is to be left alone (socially and economically).......Inidans have the potential to hatao their garibi and are on their way.

[desijat]

As i have heard and think... she was the only male PM of India so far...

[desijat]

it doesnt matter what kind of person she was..
she was a failure when it comes to politics..
she played dirty politics in punjab, and isolated a whole people.
COUNT ME ONE TRAIT OF GREAT LEADERS SHE POSESSED.
..no humility,compassion,affection for people...JUST DIRTY INDIVIDUALISTIC DIRTY POLITICS...which in the end torn apart her own house too

History and facts truly contradict what you said...

[desijat]

I suggest all these scumbag politicians who talk about "Garibi Hatao" should be kicked in the gut with an iron bat with Indira Gandhi's picture on it. Leave the poeple alone....... they will hatao their garibi on their own............ they donot need any government subsidies......no NREG's.........all they need is to be left alone (socially and economically).......Inidans have the potential to hatao their garibi and are on their way.

Even a businessman can't think of flourishing without government support(Think about IBM And COKE in 1970s or liberalisation in 1991), forget about a poor man and then we have you talking here about government to stop subsidies and supplies to the poor?

If someone can hataofy garibi on their own.. they wouldn't have been gareeb any more....

[sidchhikara]

As i have heard and think... she was the only male PM of India so far...

After all you heard and after thinking about it ..you came to the conclusion that Indira Gandhi had a ***** !!!! and is that Terminator in that profile pic...whats the terminator's gender?

[sidchhikara]

Even a businessman can't think of flourishing without government support(Think about IBM And COKE in 1970s or liberalisation in 1991), forget about a poor man and then we have you talking here about government to stop subsidies and supplies to the poor?

If someone can hataofy garibi on their own.. they wouldn't have been gareeb any more....

Since you graced us with that well-thought out comment ....please also pray-tell why ppl are gareeb??

[sidchhikara]

Even a businessman can't think of flourishing without government support(Think about IBM And COKE in 1970s or liberalisation in 1991), forget about a poor man and then we have you talking here about government to stop subsidies and supplies to the poor?

If someone can hataofy garibi on their own.. they wouldn't have been gareeb any more....

It is called crony-capitalism....not a fan of that either.

Helping the poor is good..........but do you realize that its the politicians and bureaucrats who are helping themselves........80-90% of the funds never reach the poor......you must know that if you have grown up in India or have you been living with Terminator??

[devdahiya]

After all you heard and after thinking about it ..you came to the conclusion that Indira Gandhi had a ***** !!!! and is that Terminator in that profile pic...whats the terminator's gender?


Ha...ha..ha..ha...Sid at his best...i doubt She had something like that.

[sidchhikara]

Ha...ha..ha..ha...Sid at his best...i doubt She had something like that.

Dahiya sahab....glad u got a laugh out of it. It was an easy rip.

[desijat]

After all you heard and after thinking about it ..you came to the conclusion that Indira Gandhi had a ***** !!!! and is that Terminator in that profile pic...whats the terminator's gender?

My friend... how i wish if people could learn a little sense to talk in a public forums... watch out words before they write and maintain dignity towards people rather renowned leaders....

[desijat]

It is called crony-capitalism....not a fan of that either.

Helping the poor is good..........but do you realize that its the politicians and bureaucrats who are helping themselves........80-90% of the funds never reach the poor......you must know that if you have grown up in India or have you been living with Terminator??

Firstly, i have been very much living with the Indians in India....

I agree funds dont reach poor but it doesnt reach to people because of whom? because of people....

People have a choice to choose whom to elect and whom not to... when they choose the wrong person then they are ones who will suffer.....

[vivek]

This is an example of exercising fundamental right of free gibrish.

I base my opinion on facts. I went to the same high school as Indira Gandhi in Switzerland. Our family was invited to dinner by a person who was Indira Gandhi's guardian in high school (this was in 1977 and he was in his 80's). The topic invariably turned to Indira Gandhi. It was her guardian who revealed that Indira suffered from low self esteem and displayed all the problems associated with that behavior (including trouble with boys). She also put my family members in jail for no reason other than they belonged to the opposition.

I exercise my right to free speech just as you display your right to spew gibberish.

[vivek]

This is an example of exercising fundamental right of free gibrish.

Firstly, i have been very much living with the Indians in India....

I agree funds dont reach poor but it doesnt reach to people because of whom? because of people....

People have a choice to choose whom to elect and whom not to... when they choose the wrong person then they are ones who will suffer.....

The government's responsibility (as I see it) is to provide infrastructure, enforce laws and contracts so no group or person is disadvantaged, and the atmosphere for success of a small business is maximized. It also should subsidize or insure critical industries like farming where an individual farmer is too poor to insure himself against poor harvest, and the output (food production and farming legacy) is important to nation's survival. All western nations subsidize their farm industry.

A government's job is not to provide jobs. That is a socialist model and fails in every instance it has been tried. Perfect example is comparison between the former West and East Germany. Same people, same religion, same ethics, but socialist model had the country in a quagmire.

I have not been to Haryana recently, but if the infrastructure is improving, including transportation, reliable electricity, water and sewage treatment, and corruption is down, then the govt. is doing its job.

[sidchhikara]

My friend... how i wish if people could learn a little sense to talk in a public forums... ....

You have the sense to talk hmmmmmmm. You make intellectually bankrupt statements unsupported by facts and you are trying to pick on my perfectly logical analysis to your ridiculous claim..... You called Indira GAndhi a man!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.

watch out words before they write and ....

I didnt know words could write themselves

maintain dignity towards people rather renowned leaders....

That statement does'nt make sense.

[desijat]

You have the sense to talk hmmmmmmm. You make intellectually bankrupt statements unsupported by facts and you are trying to pick on my perfectly logical analysis to your ridiculous claim..... You called Indira GAndhi a man!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.



I didnt know words could write themselves



That statement does'nt make sense.

Yes my dear friend Indira Gandhi was indeed a male prime minister and the only male PM of India....

Can you name me a single PM who could have carried out operation blue star?
Naaa no one would they will care about their dirty caste based politics before taking a call on such a operation... to speak in your language - Only Indira Gandhi had balls to do it and she did it

Am sure u must not stilll be aware of what am talking about isnt it? and since you need facts take a look - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bluestar

It only takes a Gandhi and Gill to drive out terrorism from Punjab... rest have still not done it in Kashmir

Everyone knows what had happened in operation Vijay... we could have restricted our number of soldiers killed but damnnn who cares? after all we need to chamkaofy our politics.

So dost i hope now you wont laugh any further when i say Indira Gandhi was the only male PM of India......

[ssindhu]

Yes my dear friend Indira Gandhi was indeed a male prime minister and the only male PM of India....

Can you name me a single PM who could have carried out operation blue star?
Naaa no one would they will care about their dirty caste based politics before taking a call on such a operation... to speak in your language - Only Indira Gandhi had balls to do it and she did it

Am sure u must not stilll be aware of what am talking about isnt it? and since you need facts take a look - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bluestar

It only takes a Gandhi and Gill to drive out terrorism from Punjab... rest have still not done it in Kashmir

Everyone knows what had happened in operation Vijay... we could have restricted our number of soldiers killed but damnnn who cares? after all we need to chamkaofy our politics.

So dost i hope now you wont laugh any further when i say Indira Gandhi was the only male PM of India......
i ardenty support this fact that she had the guts (and she only) to wipe out terrorism in punjab. kashmir is suffocating due to the dire lack of such leadership and has bcum the pain in ass of india

[deepakchoudhry]

There exists no politician in India daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten. - Indira Gandhi.

Probably that's why she is called "The original iron lady", title stolen by Lady Thatcher later.

I just like the guts she had to stand by herself in individuality of her thoughts. Though lot many people here castigate her. But she was the best prime minister we have had (my personal view) since i think till now if i look at any politico in india, none is determined as much as indira was. I gotta know a lot other facts about her from Raghu Rai, who shot "A Day in The Life of Indira".

I am tired of seeing those dumb headed and lamb type politicians who give up to allies demands and have no mind of theirs.

At least indira had a mind and had courage to speak it too

Margaret Thacher was a true stateswoman and a visionary.

She changed UK's politics and economy for good and left an impact on world politics.

Indira Gandhi apart from few flashes of brilliance (bangla war to name one) did nothing , Her motivation was to remain in power and groom her family to rule India.

And speaking one's mind proves nothing, I dont think she ever spoke her mind in public domain, whereas Margarert did.

Indira was "politician" to the core.

No comparison really.

[jitender_singh]

I think Indira is only one respoinsible for terrorism in punjab..., she is the one who supported bhinderewala...and later on bhidnerwala went against indira's wishes...

[cooljat]

Here I agree with & support Sid, Vivek n Jitender's views!

She was gud for nothing, Thumbs down to Indira Gandhi!

Ish Gandhi/Nehru family ne to hindustan ko apni personal jaagir samaj rakha hai :mad:

Well, Late Ch. Charan Singh was the only Real Leader n Best PM (could be) in History of democracy in India. Period!



Rock on
Jit

[kabir]

After all you heard and after thinking about it ..you came to the conclusion that Indira Gandhi had a ***** !!!! and is that Terminator in that profile pic...whats the terminator's gender?

I presume, an unsual protrusion of her cl** might've given people an optical illusion of a p***$, but then facts become history, history becomes a legend and a legend finally a myth.

Nonetheless, Indira amply displayed "manliness" when she screwed one and all, including all those samajwadis, during the Emergency.

[kabir]

i ardenty support this fact that she had the guts (and she only) to wipe out terrorism in punjab. kashmir is suffocating due to the dire lack of such leadership and has bcum the pain in ass of india


This is not a FACT but a figment of imagination. Indira's mishandling of the Bhindarwale issue, storming of the Golden Temple and subsequent killings of hundreds of pilgrims, Rajiv's reluctance to rein-in the rioters after Indira's murder were the real reasons behind militancy and bloodshed in Punjab.

[prashantacmet]

Here I agree with & support Sid, Vivek n Jitender's views!

She was gud for nothing, Thumbs down to Indira Gandhi!

Ish Gandhi/Nehru family ne to hindustan ko apni personal jaagir samaj rakha hai :mad:

Well, Late Ch. Charan Singh was the only Real Leader n Best PM (could be) in History of democracy in India. Period!



Rock on
Jit

BILKUL THEEK KAHI AAPNE.........

[desijat]

Here I agree with & support Sid, Vivek n Jitender's views!

She was gud for nothing, Thumbs down to Indira Gandhi!

Ish Gandhi/Nehru family ne to hindustan ko apni personal jaagir samaj rakha hai :mad:

Well, Late Ch. Charan Singh was the only Real Leader n Best PM (could be) in History of democracy in India. Period!



Rock on
Jit

What did Charan Singh that made him the best PM of India... plz elaborate

[sidchhikara]

I presume, an unsual protrusion of her cl** might've given people an optical illusion of a p***$, but then facts become history, history becomes a legend and a legend finally a myth.

Nonetheless, Indira amply displayed "manliness" when she screwed one and all, including all those samajwadis, during the Emergency.

Kabir,
Bhai please be careful with using words describing genitalia - this is against our culture. Some Mr Jakhar will leave a message in your inbox - an infraction (from editor - a job that he has voluteered for to bug ppl)- explaining how this is against our culture. He has also stated that ppl living in US should not use "such words" to corrupt ppl living in India.......since you are in New Delhi....he might pay you a visit and complain to your parents.

[sidchhikara]

What did Charan Singh that made him the best PM of India... plz elaborate

He was an Iron-Man. He was like Terminator - model T101. You must not disrespect him.

[desijat]

He was an Iron-Man.

And what did he do that made him an iron man?

[sidchhikara]

What did Charan Singh that made him the best PM of India... plz elaborate

And what did he do that made him an iron man?

He came from the future............. to protect India.....like Terminator.

[desijat]

He came from the future............. to protect India.....like Terminator.

lol... is that really ur IQ or u just pretend it to be like that?

He really protected India ... aage Dev Sir ka post paste kar lena Sonia Gandhi wala in his achievements....

[sidchhikara]

lol... is that really ur IQ or u just pretend it to be like that?

He really protected India ... aage Dev Sir ka post paste kar lena Sonia Gandhi wala in his achievements....

Oh no....I seriously believe that he was a cyborg from the future who came back in time to protect India......asta lavista baby!!......he used to say something like that.......before he signed any bill.

The guy you are standing with in your profile pic is Charan Singh...... dont believe what others say.....If you don't believe me ask Sonia Gandhi at the next seminar you attend with her.........she is of the same opinion

[dkumars]

good job guys... really gr888 discussion... keep it up ... enjoy

[amanjaat]

Kabir,
Bhai please be careful with using words describing genitalia - this is against our culture. Some Mr Jakhar will leave a message in your inbox - an infraction (from editor - a job that he has voluteered for to bug ppl)- explaining how this is against our culture. He has also stated that ppl living in US should not use "such words" to corrupt ppl living in India.......since you are in New Delhi....he might pay you a visit and complain to your parents.
lol ahahahahahha :D
cant stop laughing.......complain to parents!!!!!:eek:

[amanjaat]

He was an Iron-Man. He was like Terminator - model T101. You must not disrespect him.
agreeed....my personal model arrives next week lol...
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well gandhi-nehru family is collectively hated by many indians...
people are coming to their senses after a long period of darkness..
and indira is everybodys prime suspect in LAL BAHADUR SHASTRI jis death...he was the real hero of 1965....
1971 wasnt even a proper war......bangladeshi mukti vahini was fighting along with our brave soldiers.....it was not a huge political or national risk..
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but 1965 was a pre-emptive strike against a massive paki armed buildup..
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.*in both the wars jawans showed extreme valour,i only discussed diplomatic and political aspects and statistics...i donr mean to undermine the sacrifice of jawans in any way:)*

so SHASTRIji > INDIRA:D

[pnauhwar21]

Bhai logon, ab tak to Indira Gandhi apni kabra mein saikdon baar lot gayi hogi apni taarifen sunke...baksh to mare hue logon ko..

Best PM of India is yet to come..I still have some pending things before I take that route..your patience will be highly appreciated...save all your brickbats for me!

[pnauhwar21]

On a serious note..while we all keep on harping on the ills of Nehru-Gandhi legacy, what exactly are we doing to stop them? They all are coming in power only because people are choosing them - do we really have lot of choices..in Indian politics, we have to select best from the worst..

I have voted thrice in my life and both for BJP. First time, I voted for them cause of their agendas to fight the terrorism, curbing Article 370 in kashmir and bringing along Uniform civil code for all religions..they failed in all 3 promises when they came to power and they were more feeble than congress in fighting terrorism..they just focused on making Ram temple while the common man was dying to have 2 times food n clean drinking water..this was the main reason for their fall..Next 2 times, I still voted for BJP as my mom had joined the party :) and congress was no good either..

If we really want to bring the change, we really need to float a party of educated middle class with candidates picked from all walks of life who just want to correct the state of our country and not just for power n money..till then we won't gain anything by criticizing the family legacy's in politics. Family legacy is in every field be it movies, army, underworld or politics so that should never be a concern..

[prashantacmet]

And what did he do that made him an iron man?

arrreee oooo koonger....... raahan de....ghana chaudaa na howee.:rolleyes:... tajhe tamgaa na mille chaudary saahab ku criticise kar ke....... chaudary saahab be baarre main kuch hulta-seedha na likhe.:(..na to ghan rolla ho jaagga .......aapne bado tai poochiye ...chaudhary saahab ne ke kara tha..........kisano ke liye jitna chaudhary saahab ne karya ne utna koi na kar paya aaj lok.......

[desijat]

arrreee oooo koonger....... raahan de....ghana chaudaa na howee.:rolleyes:... tajhe tamgaa na mille chaudary saahab ku criticise kar ke....... chaudary saahab be baarre main kuch hulta-seedha na likhe.:(..na to ghan rolla ho jaagga .......aapne bado tai poochiye ...chaudhary saahab ne ke kara tha..........kisano ke liye jitna chaudhary saahab ne karya ne utna koi na kar paya aaj lok.......

Dont know what offended you.. na hi maine unke lie koi disrespect dikhayee na hi kuch kaha sirf itna pucha ki unhone aisa kya kya kiya jo unhe itna mahaan banata hai

I am asking this not because i want to prove something but because i do not know anything about him besides the that fact that Ajit Singh overtook his legacy and has been winning elections from Baghpat just because he is Chaudhary Charan Singh's Son.

On a serious note - Please enlighten me on his accompalishments Prashant

[prashantacmet]

net pe serach maar le..........haam likhenge to tajhe yakeen na aawe..............

[dkumars]

arrreee oooo koonger....... raahan de....ghana chaudaa na howee.:rolleyes:... tajhe tamgaa na mille chaudary saahab ku criticise kar ke....... chaudary saahab be baarre main kuch hulta-seedha na likhe.:(..na to ghan rolla ho jaagga .......aapne bado tai poochiye ...chaudhary saahab ne ke kara tha..........kisano ke liye jitna chaudhary saahab ne karya ne utna koi na kar paya aaj lok.......


Bhai Ch Charan Singh was a great man... no doubt ... but to correct you.. kissano ke liye ... m not talking abt HAryana and UP and rejasthan...

Kisaano ke liye sabse jyada jo kiya hai woh hai HD Devgowda ... aap iss baat ko maane ya naa maane... Devgowda ne sirf karnataka he nahi .. saare hindustaan ke kisaano ke liye sabse jyada kiya hai.

[desijat]

net pe serach maar le..........haam likhenge to tajhe yakeen na aawe..............

Naa bhai

Sach to sach rahta hai aap kaho ya koi aur

Net pe to criticism bhi hai aur tarif bhi.. i would request you to enlighten me with the facts you know and kindly share them with me.. i am not being sarcastic but trust me i do not know much about Chaudhary Sahab and would like to know it from you who belongs to his belt.
Plz dont disappoint me.

[devdahiya]

Beiss...ho gya Discussion ibb........................!

[cooljat]

Right Said bro!!!:)

Yaar Vikas, am not that learned person to tell u what this great man did, better ask ur elders back home...they'll explain u better!

For me he was the one & only true leader!:)

for the time being check this - http://www.jatland.com/home/Chaudhary_Charan_Singh

Rock on
Jit


He was an Iron-Man. He was like Terminator - model T101. You must not disrespect him.

[prashantacmet]

Naa bhai

Sach to sach rahta hai aap kaho ya koi aur

Net pe to criticism bhi hai aur tarif bhi.. i would request you to enlighten me with the facts you know and kindly share them with me.. i am not being sarcastic but trust me i do not know much about Chaudhary Sahab and would like to know it from you who belongs to his belt.
Plz dont disappoint me.

chinta mat na karre bhai...busy huin eibhi........ sab kuch batoonga jo mujhe pata hai...........

[desijat]

Right Said bro!!!:)

Yaar Vikas, am not that learned person to tell u what this great man did, better ask ur elders back home...they'll explain u better!

For me he was the one & only true leader!:)

for the time being check this - http://www.jatland.com/home/Chaudhary_Charan_Singh

Rock on
Jit

I do not need to ask my elders when i have my elder brothers like you to teach me. My elders still vote for Ajit Singh(just beeing Chaudhary Saab's son) who is disliked by a majority of youth for a simple reason - Not doing anything for the region

Please enlighten me more with Chaudhary Saab's works... trust me am craving to know...

[prashantacmet]

"In 1952 , chaudhary charan singh was Revenue Minister of Uttar Pradesh and one of his major contributions was that he did away with the Zamindari system and also brought in Land Reform Acts. He was a strong opponent of Nehru's socialism and left the Congress party."

istai bada kuch kaam ho na sakta kisane ke liye ..........

[cooljat]

Bro...gimme some time....ll surely give some facts!


Please enlighten me more with Chaudhary Saab's works... trust me am craving to know...

[kabir]

arrreee oooo koonger....... raahan de....ghana chaudaa na howee.:rolleyes:... tajhe tamgaa na mille chaudary saahab ku criticise kar ke....... chaudary saahab be baarre main kuch hulta-seedha na likhe.:(..na to ghan rolla ho jaagga .......aapne bado tai poochiye ...chaudhary saahab ne ke kara tha..........kisano ke liye jitna chaudhary saahab ne karya ne utna koi na kar paya aaj lok.......

Your threat reminds me of a politician from your region -- Haji Yaqub Ansari. Does that rings a bell? He announced a Re 51 crore reward on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the caricature of Prophet Mohammad. Good job, mate.

[narenderkharb]

Well, Late Ch. Charan Singh was the only Real Leader n Best PM (could be) in History of democracy in India. Period!



Rock on
Jit

Just Cool .



He was a honest man who had the pain of poor man in his heart .

Tried to help farmers and poor people with the budget that was unique in many ways.

As per my observation Lal Bhadur Shastri and Dev Gouda were other good prime ministers .

Worst were IK Gujaral .VP Singh and Atal Bhihari Bajpayi.

[desijat]

Just Cool .



Worst were IK Gujaral .VP Singh and Atal Bhihari Bajpayi.

Kya kah dia bhai:p ib aavenge sawalo ke golle....

Another interesting fact.. right of wrong dong know but app. neither does Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh has a group of advisors like Vajpayee had...


Talking about Mr. Charan Singh, he did a good job but then i think his legacy is really not carried in a proper manner by his son and on ground levels in his constituency too he had too little to offer.

[desijat]

Your threat reminds me of a politician from your region -- Haji Yaqub Ansari. Does that rings a bell? He announced a Re 51 crore reward on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the caricature of Prophet Mohammad. Good job, mate.

Well said Kabir... If people say that Jats are blind then trust me we actually are

We(Jats from Baghpat) are following one man who hasn't dont anything substantial for his region be it roads, colleges, irrigation nothing, who has been a part of almost all the governments, who is known for his deeds... but still we dont even think of thinking for an alternative

[desijat]

For those who hate congress for bhai-batijawad and support Ch. Charan Singh just a little piece of info for them...

Ch. Charan Singh made his wife contest for a MP seat from Kairana seat in UP but she lost... Similerly his daughter Saroj contested for a MLA seat and she won and went to UP Assembly from Chapprauli Vidhan Sabha Khetra and his son Ajit Singh is already an MP and has begun to bring his son Jayant into politics...


What i have also heard from my elders is that farmers sold their cattles to give donation to Ch. Charan Singh's party. When JD govt. came in the price of sugarcane was too low and farmers approached him with their concerns... in stead of hearing them Chaudhary saab gave them a rude reply.... Imagine what must have crossed across those hearts who sold their lands and cattles to fund him


Also as the airs are and everyone has heard it.... Mr. Satpal Malik was thrown out of his party. Jahan tak sabne suna aur samjha hai ki unki galti sirf itni thi ki unhone party ke chande ka hisaab manga tha aur unhe nikal diya gaya...

I do agree that Chaudhary saab did good job but i still say he didn't do much for his own constituency and even he had some shortcoming just like others... but the way he carried himself is still commendable

[prashantacmet]

For those who hate congress for bhai-batijawad and support Ch. Charan Singh just a little piece of info for them...

Ch. Charan Singh made his wife contest for a MP seat from Kairana seat in UP but she lost... Similerly his daughter Saroj contested for a MLA seat and she won and went to UP Assembly from Chapprauli Vidhan Sabha Khetra and his son Ajit Singh is already an MP and has begun to bring his son Jayant into politics...


What i have also heard from my elders is that farmers sold their cattles to give donation to Ch. Charan Singh's party. When JD govt. came in the price of sugarcane was too low and farmers approached him with their concerns... in stead of hearing them Chaudhary saab gave them a rude reply.... Imagine what must have crossed across those hearts who sold their lands and cattles to fund him


Also as the airs are and everyone has heard it.... Mr. Satpal Malik was thrown out of his party. Jahan tak sabne suna aur samjha hai ki unki galti sirf itni thi ki unhone party ke chande ka hisaab manga tha aur unhe nikal diya gaya...

I do agree that Chaudhary saab did good job but i still say he didn't do much for his own constituency and even he had some shortcoming just like others... but the way he carried himself is still commendable

Well done boy.....gr8 going...... thanks a ton to you to make us aware about chaudhary sahab.........i never expected more than it from u abt chaudary saahab....i can hardly forget that statement which u made couple of months earlier that our family is one of families in chaupraulli who has alwys opposed chaudhary saahab....BTY , these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
As far as me is concerned , i respect that great soul(chaudhary sahab) from the bottom of my heart... and think that we can also carry a legacy system..if that bloody gandhi-nehru..who are destroying this country from decades.....though i m also agree that ajit singh does not deserve to be a successor of that gr8 man but still "akbar road" is the single place in NCR where jats of western UP can stand and speak.........

[ssindhu]

Kabir,
Bhai please be careful with using words describing genitalia - this is against our culture. Some Mr Jakhar will leave a message in your inbox - an infraction (from editor - a job that he has voluteered for to bug ppl)- explaining how this is against our culture. He has also stated that ppl living in US should not use "such words" to corrupt ppl living in India.......since you are in New Delhi....he might pay you a visit and complain to your parents.
do i need to laugh on it? oh of course i can laugh inviting some infraction on it as well. lol

[desijat]

Well done boy.....gr8 going...... thanks a ton to you to make us aware about chaudhary sahab.........i never expected more than it from u abt chaudary saahab....i can hardly forget that statement which u made couple of months earlier that our family is one of families in chaupraulli who has alwys opposed chaudhary saahab....BTY , these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
As far as me is concerned , i respect that great soul(chaudhary sahab) from the bottom of my heart... and think that we can also carry a legacy system..if that bloody gandhi-nehru..who are destroying this country from decades.....though i m also agree that ajit singh does not deserve to be a successor of that gr8 man but still "akbar road" is the single place in NCR where jats of western UP can stand and speak.........

LEt me answer those points one by one...

1 . Dont know what offended you in that statement... We didnt hate him but just opposed his policies... To tell you an incident, The bridge that was supposed to be built in chaprauli over Yamuna was thrown over to KAirana in spite of the fact that Chaprauli supports him blindly... There are several people who sold thr lands and cattles but never got a good treatment from him

2. Did i ever say i do not respect that great soul? Of course i do but i never make a human a god and humans do make mistakes and that is what i am highliting here

3. If Gandhi Nehru does it then you would say what he did was right? So you mean to say 2 wrongs make a right?

4. Jats stand and speak on Akbar Road... and words remains words and nothing comes into action so whats the use? Ajit Singh has been in Central and State power since ages, Anuradha Chaudhary was the irrigation minister but the Naher in Chaprauli is crying for water since 1999, the road to chaprauli from Baraut is almost dead in the wait for some action, everyone knows how MLA seats are sold during election... but how does it matter? we are happy to go to Akbar Road and Talk isnt it?

[desijat]

, these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
....

Rest might be an air but his wife and daughter and grandchild contesting elections is a fact that you can check with Election Commission of India:)

And may be ask Mr. Malik for the reason of being thrown out of his party....

[prashantacmet]

LEt me answer those points one by one...

1 . Dont know what offended you in that statement... We didnt hate him but just opposed his policies... To tell you an incident, The bridge that was supposed to be built in chaprauli over Yamuna was thrown over to KAirana in spite of the fact that Chaprauli supports him blindly... There are several people who sold thr lands and cattles but never got a good treatment from him

2. Did i ever say i do not respect that great soul? Of course i do but i never make a human a god and humans do make mistakes and that is what i am highliting here

3. If Gandhi Nehru does it then you would say what he did was right? So you mean to say 2 wrongs make a right?

4. Jats stand and speak on Akbar Road... and words remains words and nothing comes into action so whats the use? Ajit Singh has been in Central and State power since ages, Anuradha Chaudhary was the irrigation minister but the Naher in Chaprauli is crying for water since 1999, the road to chaprauli from Baraut is almost dead in the wait for some action, everyone knows how MLA seats are sold during election... but how does it matter? we are happy to go to Akbar Road and Talk isnt it?

to tu eibb bakwaad pe uttar aaya katai........sunn le gandhi ke bhagat jitna kaam anuradha ne to itna kaam karya ek din firgge baghpat-muzaffarnagar ke......... arr rahi baat chauraulli aali sadak ki to tu nu bata kad gaya tha aapne gaam main....5-7 baras pehle gaya hogga.;) ... yha net pe baith ke bakwaad kare te ke faayda.....ek tu hi akalband hai chauraulli main aur sab C*****A hai......ek bas terri hi aankh khul ri aur sab ki michh ri.....

[prashantacmet]

Rest might be an air but his wife and daughter and grandchild contesting elections is a fact that you can check with Election Commission of India:)

And may be ask Mr. Malik for the reason of being thrown out of his party....

haamne ke ristedaarri kahadni uski gail...ham to na poochte..............

[desijat]

haamne ke ristedaarri kahadni uski gail...ham to na poochte..............

lol... I like this way of urs..

Agar chuha billi ko dekh ke ankh band kar ke baith jaye aur ye soche ki billi ne use nahi dekha to galti kiski? Perceptions and belief is good but not to an extreme

[desijat]

to tu eibb bakwaad pe uttar aaya katai........sunn le gandhi ke bhagat jitna kaam anuradha ne to itna kaam karya ek din firgge baghpat-muzaffarnagar ke......... arr rahi baat chauraulli aali sadak ki to tu nu bata kad gaya tha aapne gaam main....5-7 baras pehle gaya hogga.;) ... yha net pe baith ke bakwaad kare te ke faayda.....ek tu hi akalband hai chauraulli main aur sab C*****A hai......ek bas terri hi aankh khul ri aur sab ki michh ri.....

Last time i visited Chaprauli was a month back and since i have been going there i do not remember driving my car over 40 anywhere and that too for not more than half a KM in tht 16Km stretch, haan waise 8 saal pahle ek naher aati thi chaprauli ghuste hi jo aaj tak nahi ayee uske baad.. water levels are dipping but i think u wouldnt agree to it as u have ur own perceptions... khair leave that..

Anuradha has done a commendable job in her constituency and i am sure she would never loose an election from that seat, be it the pakki sadke every where or being personally involved in activities on ground level i really admire that lady. But then what did she do more and over her constituency? Ajit Singh never does anything for anyone and Anuradha never did anything besides her constituency.. but something is better than nothing.. isnt it?


Rahi baat Chaprauli ki logo ki to bhai jo hamare bujurg hai wo chaudhary saab ki virasat ke lie use vote karte hai, they are not aware of the happenings beyond their village and even if i try to speak to a few of them they are not ready to listen the facts... just like you are reluctant to them because i am speaking against your belief :-)

[shobhitdeshwal]

Dear All,

Though I am not a better person to give a first hand account of what was the [political and social and economical proggrammes of Mrs Gandhi yet what ever my analysis of the readings of history say is that she proved to be one of the best Prime Ministers India ever had....

Will not discuss all her political life..But what is of prime concern are her final term as the Prime Minister... 1980-1984. She took power from Chaudhary Charan Singh, who led a massive campaign against her since the times of Morarji Desai Government (Chaudhary Charan Singh was the home misnister then) The 1975 Government accused her of misusing Rameshwar Nath Kao, the then Director of R&AW for covert action against the opposition leaders during the emergency (1975-77).

The times 1977-1980 were turbulent for India's foreign policy... Ayottolahs in Iran and Russians in Afganistan brought India in a state of Dilemma as to whom should we stand with... Though morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh brought shame to India as a nation, by refusing to understand the logic of the the erstwhile state of USSR entering into Afganistan to capture the covert axction of CIA, Indra ji made it possible for the USSR government to put faith back in the Government of India!

It is wothwhile to note that USSR was the only nation state which stood by the side of India in her attempts to free East pakistan. Whatever followed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir ( For which Mrs. Gandhi is blamed) was a reward of her winning the war over Pakistan witht he moral and physical support of the USSR. The ISI and the CIA were since then enggaged in covert action and Psychological War against Mrs. Gandhi....

One remembers Dr. Jagjit Singh Chauhan's (Speaker of the Punjab Assembly) work in developing the Khalistan Movement once he migrated to the UK, during 1975-77 and abruptly calling it back when Morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh's Janta Party came into being as the Government of the day.

While CIA monitered ISI action in Afganistan against the Soviet supported Government.. the Janta party government was asleep to all this..... ISI took an advantage of this and started covert action against Indra ji, soonafter she returned to power, what else followed for 11 years is known to us.. the bloodshed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir....

Let me get a bit more critical and blame the Janta party Government 1977-80 for the same.... They did not let India's external Intelligence agency R&AW work efficiently and its sources in the middle east and europe were not explored to get a beforehand account of the actions in India. The French intelligence SEDCE and CIA started all this bloodshed and India remained ignorant of it as we did not let R.N.Kao and his men act at the right time.

Chaudhary Charan Singh as a Prime Minister though was atleast assertive to send for kao and tell him that his impressions of Kao and R&AW were proved to be wrong and that he felt sorry fopr the humiliation Kao and the organization had to face.. But Chaudhary Saheb's failure as a Prime Minister in judging the International situation can not be denied...

1984.. The year talked of mostly when Indra ji is blamed, saw many changes in the international arena. The US was enggaged in buying its intelligence in the Indian Ocean region and the oil tanks put waste since the WOrld War II from Sri Lanka.. Tripura and Mizoram under Laldenga turned violent with the training provided to them in Chittagong Hill Traces by the ISI and Khalistan demand was on fire.... There were 5 Airplane Hijackes in the year 1983 in where Pakistan repeated the same drill. Hijackers pursuaded to end Hijacking and surrender to pakistan authorities who will let them live in Nankana Saheb Gurudwara peacefully... where they could meet Sikhs from all over the worls and do propoganda for an independent free state of Sikhs ( The demand arose from the indifferent attitude of Jawaharlal Nehru in the early years of independence towards the sikhs in west).

Mrs Gandhi tried hard to negotiate a political solution to the Bindranwale's problem ( Which cameinto being aftyer Giyani Zail Sing's failure as Punjab's Home Minister in assesing the real threat and releasing Bhindranwale without even a trial)m, But to no avail!

The action taken inside the Akal Takht was the best she could do to free that holy place from terrorists. One can recall the sort of opposition Indian Army faced while raiding the Golden Temple.. Which makes it clear that the Khalistanis had turn it into a battlefeild!

After that unfaitful event, the security of Mrs Gandhi was tightened and no Sikh was allowed to be her bodygaurd.. Which she opposed to( See her compasion)

And hence she lost her life... saving a nation from International shame and terrorism!

She was the best prime Minister!

NB: I am not a congressman!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal

[desijat]

Good Job!!! and a fair analysis but again i doubt how much will people be able to digest as it is hitting their set perceptions and belief...

[ssindhu]

whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

are jats anti-congress? (which has the most educated and young politicos)

[desijat]

whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

May be... May be not... but will it matter? No one buys facts and reality untill you also talk the way they want you to ...

[deepakchoudhry]

whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

are jats anti-congress? (which has the most educated and young politicos)

If you want everyone to agree with you that it wouldnt be a discussion..will it.

No Harm no in listening to the other part of the story.

[rkumar]

Dear All,

Though I am not a better person to give a first hand account of what was the [political and social and economical proggrammes of Mrs Gandhi yet what ever my analysis of the readings of history say is that she proved to be one of the best Prime Ministers India ever had....

Will not discuss all her political life..But what is of prime concern are her final term as the Prime Minister... 1980-1984. She took power from Chaudhary Charan Singh, who led a massive campaign against her since the times of Morarji Desai Government (Chaudhary Charan Singh was the home misnister then) The 1975 Government accused her of misusing Rameshwar Nath Kao, the then Director of R&AW for covert action against the opposition leaders during the emergency (1975-77).

The times 1977-1980 were turbulent for India's foreign policy... Ayottolahs in Iran and Russians in Afganistan brought India in a state of Dilemma as to whom should we stand with... Though morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh brought shame to India as a nation, by refusing to understand the logic of the the erstwhile state of USSR entering into Afganistan to capture the covert axction of CIA, Indra ji made it possible for the USSR government to put faith back in the Government of India!

It is wothwhile to note that USSR was the only nation state which stood by the side of India in her attempts to free East pakistan. Whatever followed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir ( For which Mrs. Gandhi is blamed) was a reward of her winning the war over Pakistan witht he moral and physical support of the USSR. The ISI and the CIA were since then enggaged in covert action and Psychological War against Mrs. Gandhi....

One remembers Dr. Jagjit Singh Chauhan's (Speaker of the Punjab Assembly) work in developing the Khalistan Movement once he migrated to the UK, during 1975-77 and abruptly calling it back when Morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh's Janta Party came into being as the Government of the day.

While CIA monitered ISI action in Afganistan against the Soviet supported Government.. the Janta party government was asleep to all this..... ISI took an advantage of this and started covert action against Indra ji, soonafter she returned to power, what else followed for 11 years is known to us.. the bloodshed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir....

Let me get a bit more critical and blame the Janta party Government 1977-80 for the same.... They did not let India's external Intelligence agency R&AW work efficiently and its sources in the middle east and europe were not explored to get a beforehand account of the actions in India. The French intelligence SEDCE and CIA started all this bloodshed and India remained ignorant of it as we did not let R.N.Kao and his men act at the right time.

Chaudhary Charan Singh as a Prime Minister though was atleast assertive to send for kao and tell him that his impressions of Kao and R&AW were proved to be wrong and that he felt sorry fopr the humiliation Kao and the organization had to face.. But Chaudhary Saheb's failure as a Prime Minister in judging the International situation can not be denied...

1984.. The year talked of mostly when Indra ji is blamed, saw many changes in the international arena. The US was enggaged in buying its intelligence in the Indian Ocean region and the oil tanks put waste since the WOrld War II from Sri Lanka.. Tripura and Mizoram under Laldenga turned violent with the training provided to them in Chittagong Hill Traces by the ISI and Khalistan demand was on fire.... There were 5 Airplane Hijackes in the year 1983 in where Pakistan repeated the same drill. Hijackers pursuaded to end Hijacking and surrender to pakistan authorities who will let them live in Nankana Saheb Gurudwara peacefully... where they could meet Sikhs from all over the worls and do propoganda for an independent free state of Sikhs ( The demand arose from the indifferent attitude of Jawaharlal Nehru in the early years of independence towards the sikhs in west).

Mrs Gandhi tried hard to negotiate a political solution to the Bindranwale's problem ( Which cameinto being aftyer Giyani Zail Sing's failure as Punjab's Home Minister in assesing the real threat and releasing Bhindranwale without even a trial)m, But to no avail!

The action taken inside the Akal Takht was the best she could do to free that holy place from terrorists. One can recall the sort of opposition Indian Army faced while raiding the Golden Temple.. Which makes it clear that the Khalistanis had turn it into a battlefeild!

After that unfaitful event, the security of Mrs Gandhi was tightened and no Sikh was allowed to be her bodygaurd.. Which she opposed to( See her compasion)

And hence she lost her life... saving a nation from International shame and terrorism!

She was the best prime Minister!

NB: I am not a congressman!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal

fairly balanced view on her patriotic character. Only one thing I am unable to understand about congress is their relations with communists who are well known to support Chinese. Why congress has been joining hands with them under almost all congress PMs including Mrs Gandhi. Are we paying the price of Soviet supporting us or what? Why Indian communists are not being brought to book for their antinational activities?

RK^2

[desijat]

Simply because politics, or better termed as politics of coalition(Gathjod ki Rajniti) is winning over the idealogy of one party...

[kabir]

Well said Kabir... If people say that Jats are blind then trust me we actually are

We(Jats from Baghpat) are following one man who hasn't dont anything substantial for his region be it roads, colleges, irrigation nothing, who has been a part of almost all the governments, who is known for his deeds... but still we dont even think of thinking for an alternative

Fanatic, My dear Vikas, is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

You know who I am referring to.

[prashantacmet]

koi ek-aadha hor bacha ho usse bhi gaal bak lyo..jib taamne chaudhary saahab hi na chhodde thaam hor kisse bakshoggee.........aur chaudde hoe jaao............in jaatoien ka naas katai nazdeek aa liya......yeh badal ge..............i m compelled to beleive that this Jatland is the portal 4 only 1% jats who are totally different from rest 99% in thinking and beliefs........u all truely don't represent the jat clan..............aur iss site ka namkaran bhi indraseh kala ke uppere kar dyo nitin dahiya bhai tai sifariush karke....aappne aap ne jaat kahte hue tharra dam ghut rya hogga:rolleyes:

[prashantacmet]

Fanatic, My dear Vikas, is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

You know who I am referring to.

majhe byare hai terre kyoun berre berre kurkuri si uthhe hai..........batau ke saabne.......;).....beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu..:p:D.......katai sahi jaa rya bhai............

[kabir]

majhe byare hai terre kyoun berre berre kurkuri si uthhe hai..........batau ke saabne.......;).....beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu..:p:D.......katai sahi jaa rya bhai............

The post has been voluntarily retacted as it contained some objectionable matter against a fellow member

[deepshi]

its alwaz a pleaure readin ur posts...realy amazing, amusing n delightful!
(no tongue-in-cheek) ..i mean it!ek baat yaad aagi iss inder kala ke upperre...jib haam maade -maade se balak the nu kaha kare the :
char-chavanni hokke main
er indra margi dhokke main

[prashantacmet]

Please again read post No. 78. If you still don't get that read again. One day you'll....teri buddhi itini moti to na ho sakti. You've amply shown with this post of yours that despite being a self-proclaimed "daangar", you've a fairly evolved brain. I won't give up on ya.

na padhta...ker le ke karegga...........issa philospher tu hi uttra iss dharti pai..ek terrri post again and again padhhe..:rolleyes:........ROOKKKA @ again and again.....hahahhahaha...................arr haan jaada hanga na laaye eibb........aarr khaat ki baahi pai baith liye reply likhan tai pehle.......;)..... kuch support mil jaagi..:p.......ROOKKKAA.......................... ..hehhehehe.................hahahah..........

[vivek]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

[kabir]

The post as well has been voluntarily retacted as it contained some objectionable matter against a fellow member

[deepakchoudhry]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

I dont think anyone is listening to you Tomar bhai sahib.:)

[kabir]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

You're talking about Simla Agreement. Aren't you? Waise during his election campaign in UP recently, Rahul Gandhi's faux pas put the Cong-led govt in the centre in an embarrassing position. He loosely said: "Nehru-Ghandhi khandan ne desh ke liye kya nahi kiya. Hamne Pakistan ka batwara karaya."

The political gaffe of the greenhorn created an unnecessary diplomatic row between the two nations.

[vivek]

No..not the Simla Agreement at all. What shobit deshwal has put down forth...some of the facts are totally erroneous. I cannot be bothered to correct them as what's past is past and it doesn't change things as they are today.

[desijat]

koi ek-aadha hor bacha ho usse bhi gaal bak lyo..jib taamne chaudhary saahab hi na chhodde thaam hor kisse bakshoggee.........aur chaudde hoe jaao............in jaatoien ka naas katai nazdeek aa liya......yeh badal ge..............i m compelled to beleive that this Jatland is the portal 4 only 1% jats who are totally different from rest 99% in thinking and beliefs........u all truely don't represent the jat clan..............aur iss site ka namkaran bhi indraseh kala ke uppere kar dyo nitin dahiya bhai tai sifariush karke....aappne aap ne jaat kahte hue tharra dam ghut rya hogga:rolleyes:

I am against this ideology of making humans a god... i didnt abuse chaudhary saab and i did also praised him for his accomplishments, just produced some of his other part of life in front of you. If you want to ignore them your loss:)

and secondly, You laugh at me cause i am different(1%) and i laugh at you for being the same....(99%)

[prashantacmet]

iss thread main neeraj vaidwan ki post padh liyo jinhe detail ka na pata ho chaudhary saahab ke acheivements ke baarre main...
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=865&page=1&pp=15&highlight=chaudhary+charan+singh

mharre kella gaam hai UP main (vaidwan gotra ka.)..........arr haam 70 % voting karya karre jisme tai 65% lokdal ki jaaya karre.............vikas ji aap bhi
iss baar lokdal ke liye hi vote karre.............

[prashantacmet]

I am against this ideology of making humans a god... i didnt abuse chaudhary saab and i did also praised him for his accomplishments, just produced some of his other part of life in front of you. If you want to ignore them your loss:)

and secondly, You laugh at me cause i am different(1%) and i laugh at you for being the same....(99%)

main to na hansaa tha tu hi daantri kaahad rya hai:)....upper aala post main jo link hai...uss thread ne padh liye poora deede khol ke...terre ji ku selek hojaagi.............undoubtedly, chaudhary saahab was the greatest jat leader of 20th century...........

[prashantacmet]

Simply because politics, or better termed as politics of coalition(Gathjod ki Rajniti) is winning over the idealogy of one party...
aachhaa........to congress ke pass ideology bhi hai..........kiski hai waa gandhi-nehru ki ne.............bohat badhiya...thaam bhi follow kar lyo issne...

[prashantacmet]

Bada tajarba tajhe haange lagan ka. Kabj pak giya dikkhe tera (Kabj to aadmi k ho, tere to aphara lag ra). Jibhi main kahun aak tere dimak main yo goo kyun bhara padya. Aaya choudary ka chella chal ke.
aachhhaaa reeee laallaa..........merre dimaag main goo bhara padya....hmmmmm....jibhi to main kahu..ek tu merre dimaag ne kyoun khaan lag rya.......... terri khuraak mille wha ......................ja gaam-gorre kurdiyaan pai lag jya ....udde chmariyoun ke bhundee main bhi muh maar le ...taste badal jaaga terra..............shahar ka kha-khe ke boring feel kar rya hogga tu..............roookaaa@ boring feel..............
arr haan main takjhe salaah di thi ek khaat ki baahi pai baith liye.....paantu baith ke mat na reply kariye.....maanna kona tu................ baga di baahar...:p...........eibb tharri gaal ke 5-7 kutte issne khenchu firre..........urre purre ne dekh ...;)koi likhandwaa pada hogya...chada le issne upperre ku...........

[desijat]

mharre kella gaam hai UP main (vaidwan gotra ka.)..........arr haam 70 % voting karya karre jisme tai 65% lokdal ki jaaya karre.............vikas ji aap bhi
iss baar lokdal ke liye hi vote karre.............

Bang on the point ... Please tell me why should i vote for Lokdal and why have you been voting for lokdal? And what have you achieved so far by Votinng for Lokdal?

Please answer... and then i will tell u if am voting or not...

[desijat]

aachhaa........to congress ke pass ideology bhi hai..........kiski hai waa gandhi-nehru ki ne.............bohat badhiya...thaam bhi follow kar lyo issne...

For that matter every party has an ideology .... be it CPM or Congress or even Lokdal... and what we are seeing now is the conflict of ideologies of Congress and Left because of which Nuke Deal is suffering...


Please grow up Prashant.... This is not a fight between congress or BJP or Lokdal... You and i are simple humans and we dont even exist for the people whom we are advocating here....

Chaudhary Saab did a lot for Jats and there is no denial to that, you seem to be having an impression that i do not like him or critisize him, i respect him as much as you do so please get over it. All am stating here is that do not blame others for carrying on legacy when you yourself is a part of it...

[shobhitdeshwal]

Dear Vivek,

The facts (Thankfully you have admitted to them as being facts), might be erroneous yet are true!

I remember 4 officers of the R&AW being removed including Mr. Raj Bahadur, all IPS officers, by the Indira Gandhi Government of 1980 because they had developed good terms with Chaudhary Charan Singh and Morarji Desai. One of those IPS officers is stated as being a relative of Chaudhary Saheb.

Your Father might have worked hard and Indiraji might have decieved them, yet what remains as a historical truth is that the Janta Party Government was not at all cabable to get India the respect due to her!

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

If you had read my post, it was not meant to degrade the authority or the efforts of the prestigious Indian Organizations, neither was it to degrade Chaudhary Saheb as a leader. I have brought to fore the points which prove that he proved to be a loser as a Prime Minister. And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The R&AW, IB and the IPS are held in high esteem in India and Indians, I am one of them, and the same goes right for me!

I would, however love to get clarified on somethings which I have missed as facts!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal



No..not the Simla Agreement at all. What shobit deshwal has put down forth...some of the facts are totally erroneous. I cannot be bothered to correct them as what's past is past and it doesn't change things as they are today.

[ssindhu]

Dear Vivek,

The facts (Thankfully you have admitted to them as being facts), might be erroneous yet are true!

I remember 4 officers of the R&AW being removed including Mr. Raj Bahadur, all IPS officers, by the Indira Gandhi Government of 1980 because they had developed good terms with Chaudhary Charan Singh and Morarji Desai. One of those IPS officers is stated as being a relative of Chaudhary Saheb.

Your Father might have worked hard and Indiraji might have decieved them, yet what remains as a historical truth is that the Janta Party Government was not at all cabable to get India the respect due to her!

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

If you had read my post, it was not meant to degrade the authority or the efforts of the prestigious Indian Organizations, neither was it to degrade Chaudhary Saheb as a leader. I have brought to fore the points which prove that he proved to be a loser as a Prime Minister. And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The R&AW, IB and the IPS are held in high esteem in India and Indians, I am one of them, and the same goes right for me!

I would, however love to get clarified on somethings which I have missed as facts!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal
hmm there seem to be big head under that turban. (take in positive stride, people here are obssessed with negative)

[kabir]

Most of what wrote against you in a fit of rage has been retracted. Somehow, the feeling that is lingering on is not a great and gratifying after having involved in that altercation. Nonetheless, I couldn't resist this one:

beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu.:p:D

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14950

Now since you yourself feel so overwhelmingly transsexual that you needed to fake as a woman, you, I suppose, think everyone else is rowing in the same boat. No.

Anyway no bad blood, I rest my case on all this Charan Singh talk on an Indira Gandhi thread but not before correcting you: You mentioned Akbar Road as still the focal point of Jat politics in western UP, you're, don't be surprised, wrong.

Ever since his historic defeat against Sompal Shastri, Ajit Singh has shifted his base to 12, Tughlak Road. RLD's office is at the Talkatora Road and past memories, which are more present to you than here and now, and little else dwell at the Akbar Road.

Now what's Talkatora road's significance? The place which is acting as the makeshift RLD office is the official residence of a powerful MP Anu(radha) Choudhary:p. Such is her influence on Ajit that the novice, with dubious political prudence, soon became the second-most powerful leader in the party, overstepping many a loyalist and old-timer.

The point I'm driving home is: the Jat poiltics in western UP has freeze-framed with not much to boast about since the post-Akbar Road days. Come and think of it what we have today is only 10 MLAs. In the due Lok Sabha elections, if Ajit manages his own seat that would be a miracle. So why side with a nearly de funct party and it's head, who's all but a leader!

Times of single-caste party are over in UP, the Jats have to be powerbrokers with strong bases in a cross section of parties

[kabir]

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

New Delhi never had good relations with Pakistan, Europe and the US. We'd faught a war against the first during Indira's time. The second and the third, were always highly suspicious of India as it owed its allegiance to the USSR, behind the veil of NAM. In fact, two prominent NAM leaders, both vocal in their condemnation of the US, were killed within a short span of each other -- I am talking, of course, about Indira and Olof Palme*, the PM of Sweden. The conspiracy theroists allege the CIA's hand in their assassinations.

And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The jury is out. But if at all she was, she was the BAD among the WORSE.

*We even have a road after his name in Delhi. A strech of the outer ring road from ISTM to the NH-8 was renamed from Palam Marg (after Palam Airport) to Olof Palme Marg. Cong men have a fetish of renaming roads and buildings and we blame only Mayawati. But that is another issue.

[narenderkharb]

Parshant

As per my observation criticism of Vikas is positive in nature and he has same respect for Choudhary Saheb as you me or any other Jat can have.And we have to agree Younger Choudhary is not even a shade of that great soul.But there is no better alternative than him in sight ,our bad luck.

Baki teri ya bat sahi sai ke aad kaiyan ka to bera be koni vo Jat sai be ke na.


Shobit

You are mainly focusing on foreign policy and internal security agencies .

Janta party was not a single man's show ,Morar Ji Desai was a known CIA agent well paid for his role via his son kanti bhai Desai ,that was an open secret ,so all the tilt towards America and its crony ,He was even given Nishane i Haider by Pakistan for that.Saimur hersh exposed openly what was known to many in his Book .

Time and again when ever Jats were in sight of power media controlled by certain sections actively worked against Jat leadership so as to keep them away from power.

Choudhary Charan Singh was having maximum MPs with him but via the mediation of JP ,Morar ji was brought to power.

Again Devilal controlled maximum MPs but he was manipulated by Arun Nehru and Company ,thankless VP Singh showed his true colours once he got power.

[psgahlaut]

first person to be dismissed from the highest post, india has ever seen, devi lal was. that too by a person whom he himself made ruler to dismiss him.:)

aa charan singh ekk mutt piwa nne kadh laya tha pradhan mantri banan khatar. aur us samay chandra shekhar ne charan singh ke pradhan mantri banane ko asadharan kaha tha!:)

Jattan ki fitrat rahi sse bhai aa vakt ki nazakat nne koni samjhte.

Aa Jat jo PM tain un-eenyee panhuch jaya karte aa khali CM me khush ssen.

what happened after VP/Chandra Shekhar no body understands that except for Rajasthan Jats.

[vivek]

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

Since you were not an insider, you do not have all information. This was the time that India developed relationship with Israel. This relationship was later curtailed by Indira Gandhi, but a line of communication was developed. This relationship proved invaluable during the Kargil War.

USSR was almost bankrupt in 1980's. They could barely sustain a war. USA was totally allied behind Pakistan at this juncture due to Afghanistan.

[hdsura]

While going thru few of these Indira's achievements (if you have little brain, you should know the degree of difficulty to achieve any of these) keep the context in your mind that contemporary India was a hungry, poor, unresourceful, backward, problem infested---still be the case---country. Note, when you are a beggar you can't be a chooser. All this time she was working against strong internal and external opposing forces. Indira did -

Nationalization of Banks
End of Privy-Purse---it was end of samanthwad, if you know.
Bangladesh creation
Accepting 2 million Bangladeshi migrants
Sikkim integration
AP integration
Science & Technology investments
Space and Missile technology investments
Nuclear energy and research
Self reliant push
Family Planning
NAM - independent foreign policy
Ideological open support for apartheid, Palestine
Green revolution - led to self sufficiency in foodCalling
1977 election and gracefully accepted the defeat and let the democratic process take its course, unfortunately she lost to "Jokers" though.
Remember the intent of emergency was good, it was just the collateral side-effects created some damage.
First Asian Games
........this is by no means a complete list.

She had failures too---after all she was human being, contrary to Durga (called by her staunch opponents).It was in Indira's time that India became the 3rd largest reservoir of skilled scientific and technical manpower, the 5th military power, the 6th member of the nuclear club, 7th in the race for space and the 10th industrial power.

It was her absolute refusal to compromise India's sovereignty, unity, supreme interests and honor. H. Kissinger and Nixon called her "bitch". She stood that kind of American and external humiliation for India's supreme interest.

Please stop all this trash talk.

[vivek]

While going thru few of these Indira's achievements (if you have little brain, you should know the degree of difficulty to achieve any of these) keep the context in your mind that contemporary India was a hungry, poor, unresourceful, backward, problem infested---still be the case---country. Note, when you are a beggar you can't be a chooser. All this time she was working against strong internal and external opposing forces. Indira did -

Nationalization of Banks
End of Privy-Purse---it was end of samanthwad, if you know.
Bangladesh creation
Accepting 2 million Bangladeshi migrants
Sikkim integration
AP integration
Science & Technology investments
Space and Missile technology investments
Nuclear energy and research
Self reliant push
Family Planning
NAM - independent foreign policy
Ideological open support for apartheid, Palestine
Green revolution - led to self sufficiency in foodCalling
1977 election and gracefully accepted the defeat and let the democratic process take its course, unfortunately she lost to "Jokers" though.
Remember the intent of emergency was good, it was just the collateral side-effects created some damage.
First Asian Games
........this is by no means a complete list.

She had failures too---after all she was human being, contrary to Durga (called by her staunch opponents).It was in Indira's time that India became the 3rd largest reservoir of skilled scientific and technical manpower, the 5th military power, the 6th member of the nuclear club, 7th in the race for space and the 10th industrial power.

It was her absolute refusal to compromise India's sovereignty, unity, supreme interests and honor. H. Kissinger and Nixon called her "bitch". She stood that kind of American and external humiliation for India's supreme interest.

Please stop all this trash talk.



India was a poor country, and part of the reason was the overwhelming soviet induced socialistic order which has produced poverty wherever it has been practiced.
Nationalization of Banks Is this a good thing? Socialism has never worked anywhere.
Bangladesh Creation It was more due to Pakistan's mismanagement and General Manekshaw's brilliance as a military commander that this was possible. I will give her credit for leaving Genral Manekshaw alone in planning the war.
Accepting Bangladesh Refugees This was not a good thing as problems in Assam are pretty much related to these refugees.
Family Planning Another fiasco. The program of sterilization was so mismanaged that it cost her an election and any mention of family planning was forbidden for next decade as it was political suicide.
1977 election and g[/SIZE][/FONT]racefully accepted the defeat and let the democratic process take its course, unfortunately she lost to "Jokers" though.
Sorry..I have to stop taking you seriously after this asinine comment. She had imposed emergency where she had jailed all her opposition. This was the biggest threat to democracy in Indian history. "Intent of Emergency was good" ...what was the intent? besides to consolidate her power and have her sons roam and rape girls.
First Asian Games Collosal waste of money for a poor nation. Any useful infrastructure because of the games came at a huge expense.
Ideological open support for apartheid, Palestine You must have had to look pretty hard if you have to come up with this as her accomplishments. I believe no Indian is for racism and Aparthied
Sikkim Annexation If you read history, this had nothing to do with Indira Gandhi. The local populance was tired of corruption and a referendum was held whereby 97.5% of the population voted to join India.

If I have to praise her , it was for continuing the nuclear program. I can go on and on on her failures but there is no need to. Suffice to say that we agree to disagree on her greatness.

[poonam]

I can go on and on but there is no need to. Suffice to say that we agree to disagree

Well, got nothing to say on Indira issue, sneaked in to say: I like your signature...:)

[vivek]

Well, got nothing to say on Indira issue, sneaked in to say: I like your signature...:)

Education is good. I have to stop getting in mindless arguments over politics (on Jatland Forum none the less) and do something more productive with the time.

[prashantacmet]

Most of what wrote against you in a fit of rage has been retracted. Somehow, the feeling that is lingering on is not a great and gratifying after having involved in that altercation. Nonetheless, I couldn't resist this one:
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14950

Now since you yourself feel so overwhelmingly transsexual that you needed to fake as a woman, you, I suppose, think everyone else is rowing in the same boat. No.


It seems you have given all ur efforts to find out this link... accept my praise for your hard work:rolleyes: ...either u have a plenty amount of spare time or u have been struck badly...;)....anyway.. i don't want to clarify bcz you are already exhausted:p and even don't know what tookplace...so kepp this link as your golden collection surely it will help in beating yr frustation out .

[prashantacmet]

Bang on the point ... Please tell me why should i vote for Lokdal and why have you been voting for lokdal? And what have you achieved so far by Votinng for Lokdal?

Please answer... and then i will tell u if am voting or not...

i don't have so much spare time to reply all your why and whats?... i have provided u a link to get detail abut chaudhary saahab......still a bit from my side
.we can never be with congress which even opposed to make a memorial of chaudhary saahab at kisan ghaat........BJP has never established a harmony with farmers(ofcourse jats).....SP and BSP are only a single person show and purely caste based........ u can choose the left now.......got it?:).

[prashantacmet]

For that matter every party has an ideology .... be it CPM or Congress or even Lokdal... and what we are seeing now is the conflict of ideologies of Congress and Left because of which Nuke Deal is suffering...


Please grow up Prashant.... This is not a fight between congress or BJP or Lokdal... You and i are simple humans and we dont even exist for the people whom we are advocating here....

Chaudhary Saab did a lot for Jats and there is no denial to that, you seem to be having an impression that i do not like him or critisize him, i respect him as much as you do so please get over it. All am stating here is that do not blame others for carrying on legacy when you yourself is a part of it...

then what it is? indira versus chaudhary saahab.....be honest my dear ... in the very first reply u made your intentions out...........:)

[desijat]

i don't have so much spare time to reply all your why and whats?... i have provided u a link to get detail abut chaudhary saahab......still a bit from my side
.we can never be with congress which even opposed to make a memorial of chaudhary saahab at kisan ghaat........BJP has never established a harmony with farmers(ofcourse jats).....SP and BSP are only a single person show and purely caste based........ u can choose the left now.......got it?:).

Funny i must say!!!

Without giving a chance to any party/person u have given good rationale..

Best one was that u dont support Congress just because they were opposing to the memorial... But you support Ajit singh in spite of the fact he has not done anything...

Coming back to the topic - > Baghpat Seat has been with LokDal since Chaudhary Saab won the elections for the first time, Sompal Shastri won the elections in 1999 but couldn't retain the seat for long because of early elections. We cant complaint about him as he never got time to work... and Ajit Singh has taken this seat as his legacy, come what may, no matter he works or not he knows he will win this seat.


Sorry but again a question to you > Can you name a few substantial accompalishments Ajit Singh has to his credit for the past ten years?

Why doesn't a poor person gets to contest from Lokdal for MLA seat?

And why doesnt the same person gets or ask for the ticket again?(Of course leaving 1 or 2 early exceptions and u know where am i hitting)

[gauravsangwan]

She was the best ...no doubt ...only a brave lady can say this ....
Even if I died in the service of the nation, I would be proud of it. Every drop of my blood... will contribute to the growth of this nation and to make it strong and dynamic.

[prashantacmet]

Funny i must say!!!

Without giving a chance to any party/person u have given good rationale..

Best one was that u dont support Congress just because they were opposing to the memorial... But you support Ajit singh in spite of the fact he has not done anything...

Coming back to the topic - > Baghpat Seat has been with LokDal since Chaudhary Saab won the elections for the first time, Sompal Shastri won the elections in 1999 but couldn't retain the seat for long because of early elections. We cant complaint about him as he never got time to work... and Ajit Singh has taken this seat as his legacy, come what may, no matter he works or not he knows he will win this seat.


Sorry but again a question to you > Can you name a few substantial accompalishments Ajit Singh has to his credit for the past ten years?

Why doesn't a poor person gets to contest from Lokdal for MLA seat?

And why doesnt the same person gets or ask for the ticket again?(Of course leaving 1 or 2 early exceptions and u know where am i hitting)
dear , i never made a count to you of ajit singh credentials and never claimed him as a true successor of chaudhary saahab as well....he is not even a bit of that great man.......but we don't have any other alternative to look for..:o.......... All your question targeted for me are not applicable only for Ajit singh and lokdal but also for all political parties and leaders ...isn't it?

[gauravsangwan]

we all knw that we dnt have any other option....but we are wasting our time .....ajit singh he gud for nothing ...aaj tak usnai kuch nahe kea ..just taking a membership of jatland and posting scraps here is not the solution ..
if you love your community if you love jats then do something ...kuch karo ...yai mat socho kon kya kar raha hai kisnai kya kea ...history mai kya rkha hai ...humare histry ko daba kai rkha hai ...
to dear kuch samajh aya hai to kuch karo .....
bolnai mai or karne mai bht farak hota hai .

[cooljat]

Narender Bhaisaab summed it up! :)

he could hv been better PM but his tenure was realy short one.

We need *Honest* ppl like choudharysaab in politics which seems to me a far away dream!! :rolleyes:

nyways, I hate politics like anything....its a dirty game so this thread doesnt make ny intrest to me nymore!!

So for me Ch. Charan Singh was the only true Leader of masses! period.

Over n Out!!


Rock on
Jit

Just Cool .



He was a honest man who had the pain of poor man in his heart .

Tried to help farmers and poor people with the budget that was unique in many ways.

As per my observation Lal Bhadur Shastri and Dev Gouda were other good prime ministers .

Worst were IK Gujaral .VP Singh and Atal Bhihari Bajpayi.

[desijat]

dear , i never made a count to you of ajit singh credentials and never claimed him as a true successor of chaudhary saahab as well....he is not even a bit of that great man.......but we don't have any other alternative to look for..:o.......... All your question targeted for me are not applicable only for Ajit singh and lokdal but also for all political parties and leaders ...isn't it?

Let us say that we never let options flourish for us.... :)

Targeting you cause u r advotcating him blindly bro:)

[sunitahooda]

WONDERFUL THREAD....Non-Political janta ke POLITICAL views and most of them off-topic:D

[sunitahooda]

Manne sochi mai POLITICS mai kimme seekh jaangi....par yo tai chhoryan ka rolla paaya....kuch-kuch lugayiyan ke rolley tai milta-julta:p;) so here is a CONTRADICTORY statement- I WASTED MY TIME BUT ENJOYED:):D

[prashantacmet]

ek bai rolla "speed crazy" ne bhi kara tha JL pe......:p;)...merre wo rolla yaad aa gya rolle ki baat sun ke..........

[kabir]

so kepp this link as your golden collection surely it will help in beating yr frustation out .

Whatever. Atleast, I don't beat out my frustration by faking as a woman.

[prashantacmet]

Whatever. Atleast, I don't beat out my frustration by faking as a woman.
u don't fake but contains all the attributes of a woman....for sure God would have put u in the wrong queue by mistake.........;)..and ppl on JL have got an amazing opportunity of seeing the womanish behaviour of an anonymous personality...:p........

[kabir]

u don't fake but contains all the attributes of a woman....for sure God would have put u in the wrong queue by mistake.........;)..and ppl on JL have got an amazing opportunity of seeing the womanish behaviour of an anonymous personality...:p........

Even if that's the case, I dont fake. You've a fair bit of an idea and the first-person experience of what a "womanish" attitude is.

[prashantacmet]

Even if that's the case, I dont fake. You've a fair bit of an idea and the first-person experience of what a "womanish" attitude is.
it' s not attitude but behaviour which i m talking abt;)....attitude is soleley different............

[kabir]

it' s not attitude but behaviour which i m talking abt;)....attitude is soleley different............

That settles it, you claim I've the behavior, I allege you've the attitude. Howzzat, sis?

[cooljat]

I wonder where we heading towards?? :rolleyes::p

nybody got compass?? ;)

oops! I guess am goin offtopic :p Sorry!! :)

PS- Bhai Prashant n Kabir, aapas mein batla lo ne, PM/Mail/Pager/IM pe, plz!


Rock on
Jit

[prashantacmet]

That settles it, you claim I've the behavior, I allege you've the attitude. Howzzat, sis?

u accepted so easily...it strongly vindicates my view of putting u in a spl queue.... m***a..:p

[kabir]

u accepted so easily...it strongly vindicates my view of putting u in a spl queue.... m***a..:p

Ladies first! (I've held the door open you. After you, m@@m;))

[kabir]

I wonder where we heading towards?? :rolleyes::p

nybody got compass?? ;)

oops! I guess am goin offtopic :p Sorry!! :)

PS- Bhai Prashant n Kabir, aapas mein batla lo ne, PM/Mail/Pager/IM pe, plz!


Rock on
Jit

Am off it, Jit.

[ssindhu]

Manne sochi mai POLITICS mai kimme seekh jaangi....par yo tai chhoryan ka rolla paaya....kuch-kuch lugayiyan ke rolley tai milta-julta:p;) so here is a CONTRADICTORY statement- I WASTED MY TIME BUT ENJOYED:):D
jiji mere te sare e thread nue e 'hit' ja se. jab jat issues pe baat kari jabbi log lade er ibb non-jat pe bhi joot baaj ra hai loga ka. mere thread te century kare bina rehte e na. kilkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[prashantacmet]

Ladies first! (I've held the door open you. After you, m@@m;))

door!!!...heheheheh.........be careful...there may be a wrng entry ;)...

[dkumars]

Am off it, Jit.
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[dkumars]

jiji mere te sare e thread nue e 'hit' ja se. jab jat issues pe baat kari jabbi log lade er ibb non-jat pe bhi joot baaj ra hai loga ka. mere thread te century kare bina rehte e na. kilkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


hey taai yo ke kara diya tennei kilki mar maar kei ???

[ssindhu]

fairly balanced view on her patriotic character. Only one thing I am unable to understand about congress is their relations with communists who are well known to support Chinese. Why congress has been joining hands with them under almost all congress PMs including Mrs Gandhi. Are we paying the price of Soviet supporting us or what? Why Indian communists are not being brought to book for their antinational activities?

RK^2


because cong has been out from rule in west bengal since very beginning. and cong needs to share power in east-western parts, else eastern states would have been a part of china and bhutan and west bengal would have been a part of bangladesh. and it would be wrong to call communists antinational, they are just orthodox.

[rohit62]

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[ssindhu]

New Delhi never had good relations with Pakistan, Europe and the US. We'd faught a war against the first during Indira's time. The second and the third, were always highly suspicious of India as it owed its allegiance to the USSR, behind the veil of NAM. In fact, two prominent NAM leaders, both vocal in their condemnation of the US, were killed within a short span of each other -- I am talking, of course, about Indira and Olof Palme*, the PM of Sweden. The conspiracy theroists allege the CIA's hand in their assassinations.



The jury is out. But if at all she was, she was the BAD among the WORSE.

*We even have a road after his name in Delhi. A strech of the outer ring road from ISTM to the NH-8 was renamed from Palam Marg (after Palam Airport) to Olof Palme Marg. Cong men have a fetish of renaming roads and buildings and we blame only Mayawati. But that is another issue.
well i guess shobhit only meant that in charan's rule india lost touch with those countries. the purpose behind touch with other countries is to be in touch with the policies and strategies there. and that palys crucial role in building propaganda with those countries. and that's something called foreign affairs in political lingo. every country needs to be abreast of happening in other countries (irrespective of good or bad relations with the country)-as you were pointing in case of indo-pak war.

as far as naming roads after people is concerned. mayawati's naming roads on abbedkar, kanshi and herself is only patronism. cong names roads mostly after foreign dignitaries which solves a purpose to develop bonhomie between two countries. and cong never razed any sports stadium to be turned into a park (not to mention elephants, ambedkar statues everywhere), just to popularise her election emblem. i havnt heard anyone from cong family to celebrate birthday with as fanfare as mayawati did, obviously emptying people's tax money. it's too wrong a comparision. mayawati is not the worst you could bring here. she is not even a politician. she is just a local, localised head given rule by local pigs.

(PS: i m no patron of cong. i dont have interest in politics. i dont even vote. all i mean is politics cant be a godly profession and so is no gandhi member and not is the cong best party. it's just that cong still is better than other parties and nehru family is still better than those local dumbheaded politicans like mayawati. my say is CONGRESS IS A LESSER BAD PARTY)

[ssindhu]

Parshant

As per my observation criticism of Vikas is positive in nature and he has same respect for Choudhary Saheb as you me or any other Jat can have.And we have to agree Younger Choudhary is not even a shade of that great soul.But there is no better alternative than him in sight ,our bad luck.

Baki teri ya bat sahi sai ke aad kaiyan ka to bera be koni vo Jat sai be ke na.


Shobit

You are mainly focusing on foreign policy and internal security agencies .

Janta party was not a single man's show ,Morar Ji Desai was a known CIA agent well paid for his role via his son kanti bhai Desai ,that was an open secret ,so all the tilt towards America and its crony ,He was even given Nishane i Haider by Pakistan for that.Saimur hersh exposed openly what was known to many in his Book .

Time and again when ever Jats were in sight of power media controlled by certain sections actively worked against Jat leadership so as to keep them away from power.

Choudhary Charan Singh was having maximum MPs with him but via the mediation of JP ,Morar ji was brought to power.

Again Devilal controlled maximum MPs but he was manipulated by Arun Nehru and Company ,thankless VP Singh showed his true colours once he got power.
well so far if i look back, we never had any jat politician who could represent india internationally except bhupinder hooda now. they had local heads and local knowledge. we simply cant think of the international politics as some gram panchayat. thank god they didnt come to power. imagine how it would have been that devi lal adressing the house in US on nuclear deal in jatu and even if english (if taught), it's with jat accent. ha ha. i can imagine the trauma of indian origin people there in US when commented by US people that people there speak tribal language on international level. why people overlook the personality competence while thinking of PM? it's important. believe me. though sounds stupid in first reading. just imagine this communication and lifestyle backwardness with the problems the indian hockey team faced playing world cup in chak de india. PMship is not only a policymakers job, it's a spokesperson's job also--who represents india in international affairs. this one person means the people will think india is like this person. thank god we were saved from being called illiterate, pastoral shepherd.

[ssindhu]

While going thru few of these Indira's achievements (if you have little brain, you should know the degree of difficulty to achieve any of these) keep the context in your mind that contemporary India was a hungry, poor, unresourceful, backward, problem infested---still be the case---country. Note, when you are a beggar you can't be a chooser. All this time she was working against strong internal and external opposing forces. Indira did -

Nationalization of Banks
End of Privy-Purse---it was end of samanthwad, if you know.
Bangladesh creation
Accepting 2 million Bangladeshi migrants
Sikkim integration
AP integration
Science & Technology investments
Space and Missile technology investments
Nuclear energy and research
Self reliant push
Family Planning
NAM - independent foreign policy
Ideological open support for apartheid, Palestine
Green revolution - led to self sufficiency in foodCalling
1977 election and gracefully accepted the defeat and let the democratic process take its course, unfortunately she lost to "Jokers" though.
Remember the intent of emergency was good, it was just the collateral side-effects created some damage.
First Asian Games
........this is by no means a complete list.

She had failures too---after all she was human being, contrary to Durga (called by her staunch opponents).It was in Indira's time that India became the 3rd largest reservoir of skilled scientific and technical manpower, the 5th military power, the 6th member of the nuclear club, 7th in the race for space and the 10th industrial power.

It was her absolute refusal to compromise India's sovereignty, unity, supreme interests and honor. H. Kissinger and Nixon called her "bitch". She stood that kind of American and external humiliation for India's supreme interest.

Please stop all this trash talk.

not to forget that how she brought international shame to pakistan on the mutiny of bangla pakis being drowned in masses in the canal. pak couldnt rose back from that shame. and she became a confident of united nations. that's called handling foreign affairs at the right time. and nehru and indira were best if we still look in past among all the PMs we have had if we talk of foreign affairs.

[devdahiya]

well so far if i look back, we never had any jat politician who could represent india internationally except bhupinder hooda now. they had local heads and local knowledge. we simply cant think of the international politics as some gram panchayat. thank god they didnt come to power. imagine how it would have been that devi lal adre