India : Natural ally of USA and western Europe or of Russia and China ?

[rkumar]

Dear Friends,

Indian foreign policy is going through a drastic change lately. Apparently she is bending towards USA and re-working her relationship with Russia. There are loosely bound groupings like India Russia china forum etc. Communists argue against joining hands with USA in any form. Most Indians are equally divided on the issue of friendship with USA with whom friendship and enmity both can be worst. In the event of any war between USA on the one side and let us say Russia and China on other side, will India stay quite or take sides with USA willingly or under compulsions?

My personal views are that India will have to take side of USA and the west irrespective of any ideological differences. Reasons are very simple. WE have far too many Indians living in USA and Western Europe compared to Russia or China. USA and Western Europe have become like extensions of India and we will have to keep their interests in mind while taking sides. I don't think we would let Russians or Chinese have free hand in attacking USA or Western Europe.

Rajendra

[vijay]

Dear Friends,

Indian foreign policy is going through a drastic change lately. Apparently she is bending towards USA and re-working her relationship with Russia.


Drastic change .... i afraid that ............. i think it's gradual after decline of Soviet Union.


There are loosely bound groupings like India Russia china forum etc.


No such group is active and/or effectine in world politics.... so far ..... leave alone the documentations.


Communists argue against joining hands with USA in any form.


Indian communists ..... hahaha..... do they exist..... unless present government just stop listening them.


Most Indians are equally divided on the issue of friendship with USA with whom friendship and enmity both can be worst.


Yes, here you are right.
It's like Indian Police ....... jinse na dosti aachi aur na hi dushmani ....


In the event of any war between USA on the one side and let us say Russia and China on other side, will India stay quite or take sides with USA willingly or under compulsions?


This is hypothetical situation.... so far.
But who said that India is going to take side of USA and allies ... ( willingly or under compulsion ) .... if our present govt. can't take bold decisions regarding Nuclear Treaty with US ........ how can we expect that India can perticipate in a war to support US ?

And what USA have done/did for us so that we have to take her side ?


My personal views are that India will have to take side of USA and the west irrespective of any ideological differences. Reasons are very simple. WE have far too many Indians living in USA and Western Europe compared to Russia or China.


Very simple reasons or .............
Russians and chinese are in USA too..... so they should support US instead of their own countries.............. invalid and stupid reason by default.


USA and Western Europe have become like extensions of India and we will have to keep their interests in mind while taking sides.


Let us force them to keep our interests in mind when they decide their foreign policies and help to other nations.
I meant it ................. all the heads and most wanted people of every terrorist organizations of India reside in US and Western Europe.
They help them .... fund them ..... and protect them...........
Is that in interest of India ?


I don't think we would let Russians or Chinese have free hand in attacking USA or Western Europe.


Oh...... So Russians and/or chinese are going to attack US and Western Europe ....... :eek:
Well, i don't think thay they are going to do that in present situation as both are busy with their domestic issues like development, economy and of course defence ... so that nobody dares to treat them like IRAQ or Yugoslavia.



Respected RK sir,

That were just to quote what you posted .....

Now my thoughts/ questions ......

Tell me how many Indian terrorist organizations are situated in Usa/Western Europe ........... Or in Russia/ China.

How much fund Pakistan recieves to fight with terrorism from Usa/Western Europe ........... Or from Russia/ China. I hope you know where pakistan use that fund ?

How many times (since United Nations came into existance) USA and western Europe helped India on international issues.

Who sent her warships in Indian Ocean against India when we had a war with pakistan in 1971 .......... and in a reply who said that she is also sending her warships in indian Ocean .... but in favour of India. ( remember 1971 )

Who used her veto for India on Kashmir issue or any other issue in United Nations meetings (countless times :)).

So, this so called foreign policy is just a typical Indian mentality...... just become friend of the mightiest one.

There is no Soviet Union .... so just go for USA :)

[sidchhikara]

Dear Friends,
Apparently she is bending towards USA and re-working her relationship with Russia.
RK sir..main to kuch aur hi samajh baitha tha....:eek:

anyway here's a related and very relevant article........

http://indianeconomy.org/2007/11/25/indo-russian-relations-not-%e2%80%9cspecial%e2%80%9d%e2%80%a6-they-never-were/

[vijay]

RK sir..main to kuch aur hi samajh baitha tha....:eek:

anyway here's a related and very relevant article........

http://indianeconomy.org/2007/11/25/indo-russian-relations-not-%e2%80%9cspecial%e2%80%9d%e2%80%a6-they-never-were/


Post your views ..........
There are a lot of people who can paste the links from Net.

[sidchhikara]

Post your views ..........
There are a lot of people who can paste the links from Net.

Yes sir Yes !! I will make sure I carry out your orders faithfully. Sorry to disappoint you.

There is no harm in pointing to a well written article. You can choose not to read it if you want.

[sumitsehrawat]

Post your views ..........
There are a lot of people who can paste the links from Net.

I dont think there is any harm in pasting e-links here. After all they make us all learn more and gain knowledge. But then, blogs are really not reliable sources to quote:).

[sumitsehrawat]

Dear Friends,

Indian foreign policy is going through a drastic change lately. Apparently she is bending towards USA and re-working her relationship with Russia. There are loosely bound groupings like India Russia china forum etc. Communists argue against joining hands with USA in any form. Most Indians are equally divided on the issue of friendship with USA with whom friendship and enmity both can be worst. In the event of any war between USA on the one side and let us say Russia and China on other side, will India stay quite or take sides with USA willingly or under compulsions?

My personal views are that India will have to take side of USA and the west irrespective of any ideological differences. Reasons are very simple. WE have far too many Indians living in USA and Western Europe compared to Russia or China. USA and Western Europe have become like extensions of India and we will have to keep their interests in mind while taking sides. I don't think we would let Russians or Chinese have free hand in attacking USA or Western Europe.

Rajendra


"Indian foreign policy is going through a drastic change lately."
Vijay Bhaisahab has rightly pointed out....it has not been a drastic but a gradual change.

"In the event of any war between USA on the one side and let us say Russia and China on other side, will India stay quite or take sides with USA willingly or under compulsions?"
I, frankly speaking, do not anticipate any more World Wars. But then we never know. How and what is going to happen will certainly going to depend on the circumstances THEN.

"My personal views are that India will have to take side of USA and the west irrespective of any ideological differences. Reasons are very simple. WE have far too many Indians living in USA and Western Europe compared to Russia or China. USA and Western Europe have become like extensions of India and we will have to keep their interests in mind while taking sides. I don't think we would let Russians or Chinese have free hand in attacking USA or Western Europe."
Rajendra Sir, I beg to differ here. Let us all first see Russia, China and India on the world map. I mean the geography. You mean to say that we should be concerned about the so called "extensions of India" and not India the country??? I too have the faith in my country's defence forces but then let's be practical here. China and Russia are just too close. But then, we may argue the world is flat. :)!!

In my opinion, "forget economy let's save our lives". Sit out and let the world fight. If we keep firm no one can compel us to join war.

Thanks,
Sumit

[vijay]

You mean to say that we should be concerned about the so called "extensions of India" and not India the country???

Exactly !

Indian foreign policy should be based on purely Indian interests.

Let other Nations decide their foreign policies according to our interests instead of changing our policy for them :)

[sidchhikara]

Exactly !

Indian foreign policy should be based on purely Indian interests.



What do you think are the Indian interests?

[sidchhikara]

But then, blogs are really not reliable sources to quote.

Are you saying what you quoted above should not be taken seriously??

[sumitsehrawat]

Are you saying what you quoted above should not be taken seriously??

My dear brother:),

1. What I wrote is how I feel. My personal opinion. Period.
2. I prefer using reliable(not blogs) e-links when I have to ascertain some facts. I was taught that way. Period.

Thanks,
Sumit

[sumitsehrawat]

Are you saying what you quoted above should not be taken seriously??

Obviously!!
Please dont quote my above post if you were to do some research(as in thesis) on the above mentioned topic. As in "Sir Sumit Sehrawat in 2007 said etc etc on JL"..... That would be an absurd quoting. hehehhe :):):):):)

[sidchhikara]

Obviously!!
Please dont quote my above post if you were to do some research(as in thesis) on the above mentioned topic. As in "Sir Sumit Sehrawat in 2007 said etc etc on JL"..... That would be an absurd quoting. hehehhe :):):):):)

Forget it.. you did'nt get my point... its kinda circular.
Anyways simply put - not ALL blogs are unreliable, you have to look into it in more detail like every thing else. Blogs and opinion based websites are the future ... thats why you are on Jatland. I hope you donot consider "times of india" to be reliable.
For example, here are a few good blogs... The bloggers are economists who teach at the best schools and write for very respectable publications. They swear by their content.

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/

http://www.cafehayek.com/

www.indiauncut.com (http://www.indiauncut.com)

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/

http://ajayshahblog.blogspot.com/

Here is a bad one...

I dont know a bad one because I don't go looking for them.

[sumitsehrawat]

You are also right:).

[sidchhikara]

You are also right:).

Apologies for boring you with the drivel......I have a bad habit of not dropping it.

[mukeshkumar007]

Indian need to be natural allay of its interest only! Just look for the interests and go ahead with them, and to meet them if India has to support USA by neglecting Russia and other country or vice versa then let it be! If there never used to be permanent friend or foe in international politics then why to be idealistic while dealing with other nation.

[sumitsehrawat]

Apologies for boring you with the drivel......I have a bad habit of not dropping it.

Brother, I am afraid you took me wrong. Not that I am bad at mental gymnastics, just that I have this 'bad' habit of not picking up any otiose quarrel.:) We were arguing on something OFF TOPIC[:)]! But then, I told...you too are right:):)!!

my regards,
Sumit

[mann123]

In my opinion India and US are natural allies, being a democratic country. And I think under Bush (who may be called a bad man) administration USA has rightly identified the countries, who are there natural allies and who are not.

The support on war on terrorism, against Iran and couple of other reasons has contributed to the support of India interest and Bush administration has felt that strong India would be a great ally rather than these communist countries.

India should support the cause of democracy all over the world whether it is pakistan or Burma. And should stand against China on Tibet issue free secular and democratic tibet would be in the interest of India only.

[sidchhikara]

Brother, I am afraid you took me wrong. Not that I am bad at mental gymnastics, just that I have this 'bad' habit of not picking up any otiose quarrel.:) We were arguing on something OFF TOPIC[:)]! But then, I told...you too are right:):)!!

my regards,
Sumit

No, I did not take you wrong...it was sincere..let me drop it now! :)

[anilsangwan]

Perfect example to two-in-one thread.... Ek taraf India and USA.... aur doosri taraf Sumit and Sid... :) .... no offenses...


< mein bhaaj lyun ebb haddey tein... nahi toh multiprocessing ho jaagi haddey...>

[smeker]

all democracies in the world should make an alliance .
but whit who?
whit USA who suport all kind of terorists and dictatorial regims all over?
first India need more nukes(about500)whit 4000km range,not 80 nukes whit so limited range.
then India will stay relax in asian and world politics.

[vijay]

all democracies in the world should make an alliance .
but whit who?
whit USA who suport all kind of terorists and dictatorial regims all over?


That's the point, that i posted in my first post on this thread.
Almost all the terrorist organization around the World has their HQ in US and/or allied countries.. and ironically recieve enough funds from them to fight against terrorism ...... hahahahahahah


first India need more nukes(about500)whit 4000km range,not 80 nukes whit so limited range.
then India will stay relax in asian and world politics.

Right .... beggers can't be choosers.
Show the might to ensure that your voice must be heard.