jodha-akbar

[amiteshv]

i feel that rajputs are right. the matter should not be taken so easily. it should be taken to the court. After all true history should come out.

[snandal1]

aa bekoof rajpoot, like sanga rana pahle te kisi (babur) ne des invasion ke liye bulaven ssen, aur phir rauven ssen aur sare country nne rulanven ssen. va bhai vah:)

[sanjeetsparp]

From the text history of 8th class to the recent time ..... it was heard and taught by teachers that the Wife of Akber was Jodha Bai ...... Abhi use Akber ke ladke ki wife beta rahe hain ..... jis se bhi pooho wo yehi bolta hai Akber ki Wife Jodha bai thee ..... Abhi Movie aayi to sabhi Active ho gaye ki nahi aisa nahi tha .... to School ki puraani text books main kyun likha jo humne pedhi hain ...

Please Seniors can someone clear this that what was written in History actually ..... Please Help us what was there and what was not

[anrtish]

aa tte bhai natural process te paida hi koina huai. koi brhama ke kan te, te koi nak te paida hoya,,,

[anrtish]

kanhin chittoregarh pe koi 14000 rani kahin nahin jali. there were political diffrences.

[anrtish]

aa puskar me o jawahar, apni mata ko snan karwa ke le aaya.

aa to saaala rajput kati duplicate in ke na aaar ka pata na paar ka???????:)

[amiteshv]

From the text history of 8th class to the recent time ..... it was heard and taught by teachers that the Wife of Akber was Jodha Bai ...... Abhi use Akber ke ladke ki wife beta rahe hain ..... jis se bhi pooho wo yehi bolta hai Akber ki Wife Jodha bai thee ..... Abhi Movie aayi to sabhi Active ho gaye ki nahi aisa nahi tha .... to School ki puraani text books main kyun likha jo humne pedhi hain ...

Please Seniors can someone clear this that what was written in History actually ..... Please Help us what was there and what was not

bhai ahlawat/erawat the indra ka vahan, aa rajput kati nakli insaann, issaa inssann jib tanyeen aa apni jibh koni khole ukk humm bhi natural sse tub taayeenn us ne maaff nne kariyo bhai. ye hi desh ka sub se bada dushman sse. inhin nne hi des ki lutiya duboi sse.

mhare saale ke do jutt......

[dndeswal]

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How “great” was Akbar – he reportedly had hundreds of wives in his harem ! Read the following interesting article:

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/akbar_ppg.html (http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/akbar_ppg.html)

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Such articles are not occasional or rare. There is one more appeared just two days back, on the current controversy on the release of this film:

<O:p</O:phttp://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html (http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html)<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p

The true history is buried deep into earth. Whatever we are being taught is not history, but a bundle of lies.

We may have some differences with Rajputs, but in my view it is not wise to spread hatred against them at this juncture.
.<O:p</O:p

[vijay]

i feel that rajputs are right. the matter should not be taken so easily. it should be taken to the court. After all true history should come out.

Bhai, do you really think that court can change the History.

Only facts can change the History books ( i mean what should be written there ).

History itself can't be changed as it is History NOW :)

[vijay]

From the text history of 8th class to the recent time ..... it was heard and taught by teachers that the Wife of Akber was Jodha Bai ...... Abhi use Akber ke ladke ki wife beta rahe hain ..... jis se bhi pooho wo yehi bolta hai Akber ki Wife Jodha bai thee ..... Abhi Movie aayi to sabhi Active ho gaye ki nahi aisa nahi tha .... to School ki puraani text books main kyun likha jo humne pedhi hain ...


You are right that in NCERT books we read what you said but that History is written/manipulated by the British only. Moughal and British did all the damage to our rich past ( read History ) by every means they were able to do that.

When British came to India, Ashoka were the greatest known King till time ...... so to neutralize Ashoka British thought of popularize a Muslim King ..... ...... famous divide and rule policy and Akbar was their best bet .... rest is History :)

Don't want to comment on how our communists historians did the same...... later on.

[vijay]

Commercial movies are made for entertainment and financial benefits only ..... should not be taken as true History by any means ........

These protestors are just making an issue to get popularity ( did they ever raised any voice against NCERT books ?? ... NEVER ) ....... the leading head of protestors in Rajasthan have relaesed a statement that they can stop protesting the movie only if the Director of the Movie come personally to Rajasthan and apologize to them ........ does that make any sense or can change the History ?

[amiteshv]

Bhai, do you really think that court can change the History.

Only facts can change the History books ( i mean what should be written there ).

History itself can't be changed as it is History NOW :)

aa jodhpur naresh jo nanhinjan vaishya ke chakkar me dayanand ka murder karaya, shayad rajput hi tha????? kahe ke bahadur ye log?:)

[neels]

When British came to India, Ashoka were the greatest known King till time ...... so to neutralize Ashoka British thought of popularize a Muslim King ..... ...... famous divide and rule policy and Akbar was their best bet .... rest is History :)

Don't want to comment on how our communists historians did the same...... later on.

:confused:....wat's this.... is History lost somewhere..... so much gaps.....

Asoka was emperor from 273 BC to 232 BC.
British came after 1600....
Akbar's life span was from 1542-1605.

In view of these facts.... its hard to understand how were british affected/threatened by ashoka....n how popularizing Akbar wud ve helped them.... Whtever abt the queens n et al... but rst of the facts about the works... cant be modified.... n changed.

[shailendra]

Let's not ALL become such 'conspiracy theorists' all of a sudden!

History may well be distorted in places and the authenticity of events for the simple reason that in those times it was rare to have kept any written records etc. (and even if they were- not have them be colored by the writer(s) who were usually the bards, poets etc. own viewpoints)

Now having said that; it is important to mention that Akbar's rule on the other hand has been surprisingly well documented (in the famous Akbarnama) but again, and just like I mentioned above- I agree that it may well be tainted and romanticized by the writers!
BUT is that the POINT here????

Because lastly, but not the least- on this whole Jodha controversy.... who cares what her name was, (and $c&ew those silly, stupid-minded, egostic small groups of Rajputs and others) the fact remains that history books, Akbar's and other records like Akbarnama etc. mention him wedding Rajput princess (es); and to my mind frankly that's all that matters!!!....

Political move or not, it was a wise move by a very wise man who knew that a country cannot be ruled by iron fist alone but an alliance with the powerful chiefs is a must and that's what he did... something of a valid lesson for the PRESENT generation and present world affairs to learn from and emulate!
(Not that we all Hindus should suddenly start marrying Muslim girls, or wise-versa) but that in these times there are great lessons to be learned about such peaceful co-existence and harmony, tolerance for the other's religion and embracing of common religious viewpoints; a point admirably demonstrated by Akbar!

[amiteshv]

kanhin chittoregarh pe koi 14000 rani kahin nahin jali. there were political diffrences.

isse koi marusthal me issi koi padmini koni basse thi. mere vichar se musalman west se aye the aur shayad musalman,niyan in rajputan tte bhuri aur lambi thadi ryaya karti hongi???

khilji simply had political differences...

[vijay]

:confused:....wat's this.... is History lost somewhere..... so much gaps.....

Asoka was emperor from 273 BC to 232 BC.
British came after 1600....
Akbar's life span was from 1542-1605.

In view of these facts.... its hard to understand how were british affected/threatened by ashoka....n how popularizing Akbar wud ve helped them.... Whtever abt the queens n et al... but rst of the facts about the works... cant be modified.... n changed.

I know Ashoka's and Akbar's time period respectively ...... but i will suggest you to read my post again :) ...... and understand the meaning of divide and rule policy ..... for example like why they appreciated the idea of Pakistan even when they already decided to quit India. 'Sun never sets in British Empire' ... then why they tried to divide India

To divide the huge mass in the name of religion ...... at both times ... and so many other times.

They were not afraid of Ashoka or any other but they just want to create difference between the religious ideology and reputation between two major religion of that time. i.e. Hindu and Muslim.

Did appreciating Zinha and idea of Pakistan didn't helped them to stay some more years in India ???

[shailendra]

:confused:....wat's this.... is History lost somewhere..... so much gaps.....

Asoka was emperor from 273 BC to 232 BC.
British came after 1600....
Akbar's life span was from 1542-1605.

In view of these facts.... its hard to understand how were british affected/threatened by ashoka....n how popularizing Akbar wud ve helped them.... Whtever abt the queens n et al... but rst of the facts about the works... cant be modified.... n changed.

Good points indeed...
History is not the domain of a certain few to just come in and distort according to their whims and needs!
Sure, I mean we as Hindus may take a lot of pride in Hindu kings and their achievements; but that does not negate the successful domination of other greats like the Greeks (Alexander) and Mughals (Babur, Humanyu, Shah-Jahan, Akbar etc.) over these very lands...
This discussion also sorta follows my other pet peev about trying to distort history (in these very much present times, no less) by some idiotic few and trying to prove that maybe Taj-Mahal was not a Mughal Architectural wonder after all...
I mean, come on people! :o

[vijay]

Because lastly, but not the least- on this whole Jodha controversy.... who cares what her name was, (and $c&ew those silly, stupid-minded, egostic small groups of Rajputs and others) the fact remains that history books, Akbar's and other records like Akbarnama etc. mention him wedding Rajput princess (es); and to my mind frankly that's all that matters!!!....



Yes, agree with you :)

Kings ruling Jaipur and Jodhpur had matrimonial relationships ( or say alliances ) with Moughals and were happy to maintain that.

Did you ever heard any comment from Jaipur and/or Jodhpur Royal familes .... so far ?

I don't know why people making an issue instead of treating it as just another entertainment movie.

[amiteshv]

:confused:....wat's this.... is History lost somewhere..... so much gaps.....

Asoka was emperor from 273 BC to 232 BC.
British came after 1600....
Akbar's life span was from 1542-1605.

In view of these facts.... its hard to understand how were british affected/threatened by ashoka....n how popularizing Akbar wud ve helped them.... Whtever abt the queens n et al... but rst of the facts about the works... cant be modified.... n changed.

jats did have some queens, like gargi, tomyris etc. even the one who had the largest empire, the so called tughlaks, had in the root a queen who guided him through, ghazi the mallik, himself a mullick (gathwal) Jat. see my pics on persian wars....about killing of cyrus...etc.

[shailendra]

[B][COLOR=darkred]I don't know why people making an issue instead of treating it as just another entertainment movie.

Exactly!
You know, on a personal view point about this Movie Jodha-Akbar (and not partly because I am such a huge movie buff) I whole heartedly welcome and in fact APPRECIATE such massive epics based on the Indian historical setups!...

THERE ARE JUST NOT ENOUGH SUCH movies, modern presentations and graphical representations of our very colorful history GOING AROUND!

I mean forget this present Indian generation alone (especially the ones that can be seen on TV just out of their diapers making a hue and cry about the movie), even this World needs to be hit on the head with the colors that this great land has had to offer!... Who cares about the Troys, Alexanders, Samurais, Benhurs, Romans and their emperors ('Gladiator' etc. etc), those Forbidden city's Chinese rulers, Ghengiz Khans .... and the Hollywood list goes on; the world needs such brave Indian filmakers that have the guts to maybe present characters like Rana Pratap, Ashoka, Shivaji, Rani of Jhansi, Prithviraj Chahuan etc. etc. (just to name a few; cause this here is probably an even longer list that can go on into the next thread) in all THEIR GLORY, colors, ambiance, architectural wonder AND amazing CHARACTER with the best visual technology the present times have to offer!!!

Bravo to the director (Ashutosh) and may there be others that can step forward and make such strong epic movies and similarily package them dubbed in English language to make the neccessary impact on the global audience still ignorant of such heroes/heroines!

[amiteshv]

aa rana pratap/bhamahshah te is me dikhya hi koni. aa rav hemu bhi te kiti ne darshaya koni. aa sikh dharam ki neenv dalne wale atyachar karne wale ye mughal hi the. even marathas were made nation by aurangzeb only.

[amiteshv]

better movies could have been made by depicting Asoka, Kanishka, gupta, harsha etc. what is the fun unnecessarilly depicting the un real love between akbar and jodha? that never existed....even in harem of akbar..:)

[vijay]

Exactly!
Who cares about the Troys, Alexanders, Samurais, Benhurs, Romans and their emperors ('Gladiator' etc. etc), those Forbidden city's Chinese rulers, Ghengiz Khans .... and the Hollywood list goes on; the world needs such brave Indian filmakers that have the guts to present Rana Pratap, Ashoka, Shivaji, Rani-Jhansi, Prithviraj Chahuan etc. etc. (just to name a few; cause this here is an even longer list here that can go on into the next thread) in all THEIR GLORY, colors, ambiance, architectural wonder AND amazing CHARACTER!!!


India have much more archeologial sites than rest of the world and every site have a phenomenonal story behind those ruins ..... i wonder if Indian film makers can bring them forward as movies .....

My Grandfather used to tell me the story of Maharani Kishori in my childhood .... ( Only Jat Queen as far as i know ... so far )

My salute to the brave people who made us to feel proud of our country and our ancestors.

[shailendra]

i feel that rajputs are right. the matter should not be taken so easily. it should be taken to the court. After all true history should come out.

Vermaji, Kyalein dukhi hon laag rae so???...
Mka kae rolla ho gaya akhir-kaar? Filmaker nae ya to kahee nahee kae eeb ya movie 'History Channel' ya 'Discovery' pae Historical fact ki tarah dikha-jaagee!?!...
To phaer yo Court-caart bhi kae laddoo dega?

ps. Reminds me- on a completely diffrent note; as for those who may not have caught it on History Channel there is a great documentary 'The Mughal warriors' now on DVD and available directly on the History Channel website; that is a very interesting piece on the fighting methods, weaponery, architecture etc. of their reign that is a must see for all history buffs! I have a personal copy myself and believe me it is worth watching.....
Here is a link to the DVD for your purposes...

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=76045

[amiteshv]

nue tte shailenderji jat kab dukhi howe se. aa tte taimur aur changez ne mongolia me hi Jat, khoja ohjhlan ne taimur ne maza chakha diya tha. aa taimur langda kar diya tha aa chhoturam ke goti bhai ojhalana nne. aa taimur kuchh issa bole tha ukk e tohana ke Jat kuchh isse dikhen jisse me mongolia me chhod ke aya ssun...

[vijay]

better movies could have been made by depicting Asoka, Kanishka, gupta, harsha etc. what is the fun unnecessarilly depicting the un real love between akbar and jodha? that never existed....even in harem of akbar..:)

Bhai,

Every person have his/her personal likes and dislikes and film makers are professionals ..... who not only want to bring forward some story but aspire to gain financial benefits too...

Let them make efforts and we can review their works after watching their creation .... a gud creation never get neglected while a bad interpretation never get any appreciation.

Do you remember that Ashoka was a Super Flop ............. WHY ??? Plz dig out the reason ( Hrithik/Aishwarya and SRK/Kareena are supestars if you want to blame on the star cast only )

If you don't like the subject or movie .... just don't watch it and don't comment ....... otherwise making an issue you are already making it controversial and worth to watch it ( means .... what is controversial in it ?? )

Your choice, buddy :)

[amiteshv]

vo maharani kishori hoti thi hodal ki. but herodotus says that persian war of jat was fierestest.

[jatinchhikara]

Chill out people.....the movie would not go into history books.....
It is just a matter of entertainment......so watch it over a coffee with family...trust me there are hardly any family movies being produced these days....so now we have one to watch with mom and dad......
Yet if people take it ahead...india is a country of propagandas....yet another one would not make much of a difference......:cool:

[shailendra]

Bhai,

.... a gud creation never get neglected while a bad interpretation never get any appreciation.

Do you remember that Ashoka was a Super Flop ............. WHY ???

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The most profound words you have spoken all day.... :D;)

On a serious note: You are so absolutely right about that laughable 'Asoka'... it was all wrong! I mean where to start, the un-authentic costumes? The multiple dancer song sequences with the 'great' Asoka (and whatever Kareena was supposed to have played) writhing like constipated creeps under a waterfall etc???...

[raj_rathee]

Vermaji, Kyalein dukhi hon laag rae so???...
Mka kae rolla ho gaya akhir-kaar? Filmaker nae ya to kahee nahee kae eeb ya movie 'History Channel' ya 'Discovery' pae Historical fact ki tarah dikha-jaagee!?!...
To phaer yo Court-caart bhi kae laddoo dega?

ps. Reminds me- on a completely diffrent note; as for those who may not have caught it on History Channel there is a great documentary 'The Mughal warriors' now on DVD and available directly on the History Channel website; that is a very interesting piece on the fighting methods, weaponery, architecture etc. of their reign that is a must see for all history buffs! I have a personal copy myself and believe me it is worth watching.....
Here is a link to the DVD for your purposes...

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=76045


Not sure if I saw the same one...but there were some parts on YouTube.
One of them showed how the Mughal bow was a superior weapon than the
English longbow. Also showed other armour related things...like
Elephants decked out in full armour.

Pretty interesting stuff. I researched on it after seeing the
Jodha-Akbar movie. Got a crash course on Mughal history through Wikipedia,
Akbarnama, Ain-e-Akbari, and these You-Tube Videos.

[vijay]

Taj-Mahal was not a Mughal Architectural wonder after all...
I mean, come on people! :o

Taj Mahal ( whatever its name was earlier ) is not an Moughal creation but yes a modified version of some old building.

Why Indian govt. is so reluctant to open the hidden rooms and the documents ?

Carbon Dating proved that Taj Mahal was standing tall even before the Moughal Emperor Shah Jahan took birth.

What about the documents in Indian Treasury where it shows that Shah Jahan bought that 'building' from Jai Singh ( King of Jaipur ) as that building belonged to Man Singh ( grandfather of Jai Singh ... and defence head of Akbar ) ?

Mumtaz died in 1631 and history says that it took 22 years to complete the Taj .... means 1653.

In 1652, Prince Aurangjeb admitted about Taj Mahal that 'so old' building needs a repair ( mentioned in 'Aadaab-e-alamgiri ', 'Yaadgaarnama' and the ' Muraaqqa-I-Akbarabadi' ........ 'Aadaab-e-alamgiri ' was an official press release from the Alamgir Aurangjeb )

Was Taj Mahal became so ancient even before it was completed ???

[amiteshv]

Chill out people.....the movie would not go into history books.....
It is just a matter of entertainment......so watch it over a coffee with family...trust me there are hardly any family movies being produced these days....so now we have one to watch with mom and dad......
Yet if people take it ahead...india is a country of propagandas....yet another one would not make much of a difference......:cool:

but then again haldi-ghati will come. then again 3000 forces will come. hardly n e body among them rajputs? inm rana pratap family.

[amiteshv]

aisa kya is chetak me tha? jo ki duniyan ke kisi ghode ya kisi kutte me nahin tha?:)

[shailendra]

Not sure if I saw the same one...but there were some parts on YouTube.
One of them showed how the Mughal bow was a superior weapon than the
English longbow. Also showed other armour related things...like
Elephants decked out in full armour.

Pretty interesting stuff. I researched on it after seeing the
Jodha-Akbar movie. Got a crash course on Mughal history through Wikipedia,
Akbarnama, Ain-e-Akbari, and these You-Tube Videos.

That's it, right there!!!...

The full Documentary touches on lot's of cool stuff... for example how Tipu Sultan's army had already perfected the 'missile' (sword blades and/or arrows imparted with a longer shooting range thru rocket technology...) before anyone else in the world and had thus made some telling blows on the British armies...
Or how the first invader Mongol/Mughal chieftean Babur at the battle of Panipat in the 1500's even though had a much smaller army, but just by the virtue of superior battle tactics (squeezed the enemy elephant riding troops between two sections, which created panic and ultimate trampling of their own soldiers) and good use of 'entrenchment' war-fare and critical placement of his archers defeated the much larger army of Ibrahim Lodi!...
Also one would see how the ultra lite but deadly Mughal bow (Mughal horse riding archers were supposed to be the best in the world; sending out non-stop arrows while in full gallop!) was created from scratch (with just raw materials) and without any use of sophisticated tools and how that same craftmanship is now but completely lost in the mist of times....
Or the cool Rajput Dagger (you people must have seen it in movies and paintings, tucked into the kamarbund of Kings etc. It is like a mini ladder like thing sticking out over the belt) which is to be used in a thrusting motion and has protection on both sides of the wrist and forearm of the user....etc. etc.

Note: it also shows the full spectrum of how Taj Mahal was built and the architecural technologies used etc. (and debunks the Black Taj-Mahal theory too, by showing how it was a pool built across the river to view the Taj in the moonlight and shimmering over the pool, creating a black mirror image of the Taj from the opposite end)...

[amiteshv]

khuda ke nek bando, rajputo, mere bachho, tumhara, khud ka origin ek cinemaghar hai...:)

[vijay]

Note: it also shows the full spectrum of how Taj Mahal was built and the architecural technologies used etc. (and debunks the Black Taj-Mahal theory too, by showing how it was a pool built across the river to view the Taj in the moonlight and shimmering over the pool, creating a black mirror image of the Taj from the opposite end)...

Did you ever visited Taj ......

Do you know that all the river side windows/gates in Taj Mahal were blocked By Shah Jahan ( and still intact ... till date )..... the pool was just to admire the beauty so that mass doesn't need to visit the actual building ..... as everybody could have guessed the time period of the 'building' ......

Everybody was restricted to visit the 'building' but ( except themselves ) just could adore it across the river only :)

[amiteshv]

doob maro sharam se o mere kutte ke pillo, jahan baat aayee daha sanskar ki vahan vo daha sanskar jaton ne hi kiya aakhir akbar ka.

dhuann utha hai to aag bhi kahin hogi? kahin na kahin akbar ki zindagi me jodha zaroor hogi....:)

[amiteshv]

Did you ever visited Taj ......

Do you know that all the river side windows/gates in Taj Mahal were blocked By Shah Jahan ( and still intact ... till date )..... the pool was just to admire the beauty so that mass doesn't need to visit the actual building ..... as everybody could have guessed the time period of the 'building' ......

Everybody was restricted to visit the 'building' but ( except themselves ) just could adore it across the river only :)

vijay, i do know that well foundations of taj/tejo mahalya are much older than shahjahan. not only that i've latest technology to prove that.:)

[raj_rathee]

That's it, right there!!!...

The full Documentary touches on lot's of cool stuff... for example how Tipu Sultan's army had already perfected the 'missile' (sword blades and/or arrows imparted with a longer shooting range thru rocket technology...) before anyone else in the world and had thus made some telling blows on the British armies...
Or how the first invader Mongol/Mughal chieftean Babur at the battle of Panipat in the 1500's even though had a much smaller army, but just by the virtue of superior battle tactics (squeezed the enemy elephant riding troops between two sections, which created panic and ultimate trampling of their own soldiers) and good use of 'entrenchment' war-fare and critical placement of his archers defeated the much larger army of Ibrahim Lodi!...
Also one would see how the ultra lite but deadly Mughal bow (Mughal horse riding archers were supposed to be the best in the world; sending out non-stop arrows while in full gallop!) was created from scratch (with just raw materials) and without any use of sophisticated tools and how that same craftmanship is now but completely lost in the mist of times....
Or the cool Rajput Dagger (you people must have seen it in movies and paintings, tucked into the kamarbund of Kings etc. It is like a mini ladder like thing sticking out over the belt) which is to be used in a thrusting motion and has protection on both sides of the wrist and forearm of the user....etc. etc.

Note: it also shows the full spectrum of how Taj Mahal was built and the architecural technologies used etc. (and debunks the Black Taj-Mahal theory too, by showing how it was a pool built across the river to view the Taj in the moonlight and shimmering over the pool, creating a black mirror image of the Taj from the opposite end)...

Yuup...these are the same things I saw on You-tube. The way the videos were titled there gave the impression that they were from separate
sources. Looks like they were all part of the same documentary.

Some good stuff there.

I am still imagining the Battles of Panipat...the fact that all this was
happening right outside my doorstep only 200 years ago....
Abdalli's move to come around Bhagpat and back North to encircle the Marathas in the 3rd battle of Panipat...Kya scene rahe honge!

One thing that always amazes me is how these armies could get
recruits to go to battle with almost certainty of getting chopped.
Imagine the poor guys at the frontline. Man!

[vijay]

doob maro sharam se o mere kutte ke pillo, jahan baat aayee daha sanskar ki vahan vo daha sanskar jaton ne hi kiya aakhir akbar ka.

dhuann utha hai to aag bhi kahin hogi? kahin na kahin akbar ki zindagi me jodha zaroor hogi....:)


क्यों दुखी हो रहे हो, भाई ..... ऐसे अपशब्द नहीं बोला करते :)


हमने जिन लोगों को कभी लिखने का तरीका सिखाया
आज वो ही अपनी कलम से हमारा इतिहास लिखते है |
लोग जो अपने अपने बारे में नहीं लिख पायेंगे कभी भी
बस वो ही दूसरो के बारे में बातें कुछ खास लिखते है ||

[crsnadar]

The people who were countable in numbers had occupied the most fertile land of north INDIA almost completely...they do never greed of some space in History Books to show their Bravery.......those are called JATs

Some people are Brave only in Books...but only few (JATs) prove to be Brave when it comes to real BattleField...




...But dear members please maintain some dignity of the site by not sledging or pointing on some cast or community by name...it may have averse outcomes...so PLEASE

...without abusing also we can say what we have to say...:)

[amiteshv]

क्यों दुखी हो रहे हो, भाई ..... ऐसे अपशब्द नहीं बोला करते :)


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आज वो ही अपनी कलम से हमारा इतिहास लिखते है |
लोग जो अपने अपने बारे में नहीं लिख पायेंगे कभी भी
बस वो ही दूसरो के बारे में बातें कुछ खास लिखते है ||

ye rajput doosrey logon ko manne/manav/manuvadi kahte hain bagadh me....jaise ki ye .. koi .. doosre .. lok .. se aaye hain..

[amiteshv]

mujhe bataya gaya tha ki ek rajput ne jat ke putra ko is liye goli mari ke us ne rajput ko salam nahin kiya tha

[amiteshv]

lets see these bloody fools:)

[crsnadar]

mujhe bataya gaya tha ki ek rajput ne jat ke putra ko is liye goli mari ke us ne rajput ko salam nahin kiya tha

It also happened in REVERSE...so many times...may be more than that...

...so these stories don't defame status of JATs

Only thing is they are more in numbers...nothing else...

[dkumars]

:confused:....wat's this.... is History lost somewhere..... so much gaps.....

Asoka was emperor from 273 BC to 232 BC.
British came after 1600....
Akbar's life span was from 1542-1605.

In view of these facts.... its hard to understand how were british affected/threatened by ashoka....n how popularizing Akbar wud ve helped them.... Whtever abt the queens n et al... but rst of the facts about the works... cant be modified.... n changed.


Gud catch :) ... I love ur presence of mind

[dkumars]

ye rajput doosrey logon ko manne/manav/manuvadi kahte hain bagadh me....jaise ki ye .. koi .. doosre .. lok .. se aaye hain..

mujhe bataya gaya tha ki ek rajput ne jat ke putra ko is liye goli mari ke us ne rajput ko salam nahin kiya tha

lets see these bloody fools:)


Jaa bhai udaa de holi tei unka jo bhi bach raha ho ... dekha de tu saacha jat hai ... tere khoon mein ubaal hai ... jaa mere sher ja dekha apna gussa talwar/banduk se... yadai keboard phodan tai kimme nahi hon aala.

Jai Jat :p

[snandal1]

क्यों दुखी हो रहे हो, भाई ..... ऐसे अपशब्द नहीं बोला करते :)


हमने जिन लोगों को कभी लिखने का तरीका सिखाया
आज वो ही अपनी कलम से हमारा इतिहास लिखते है |
लोग जो अपने अपने बारे में नहीं लिख पायेंगे कभी भी
बस वो ही दूसरो के बारे में बातें कुछ खास लिखते है ||

jibbe pakistan banne tha mewar ka maharana in sub rajputtann nne galli the thya, ukk tumm sub nne aapni bahan-beti power khatir ttayeenn in mughlan tte byahi....

[snandal1]

क्यों दुखी हो रहे हो, भाई ..... ऐसे अपशब्द नहीं बोला करते :)


हमने जिन लोगों को कभी लिखने का तरीका सिखाया
आज वो ही अपनी कलम से हमारा इतिहास लिखते है |
लोग जो अपने अपने बारे में नहीं लिख पायेंगे कभी भी
बस वो ही दूसरो के बारे में बातें कुछ खास लिखते है ||

sher ki god me kutiya ka kya kam? said dayananda to jodhpur naresh. then dayananda was murdered by these jodhpur(jodhabai):) vanshis or by their cancubines...

[snandal1]

.
How “great” was Akbar – he reportedly had hundreds of wives in his harem ! Read the following interesting article:

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/akbar_ppg.html (http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/akbar_ppg.html)

<O:p</O:p
Such articles are not occasional or rare. There is one more appeared just two days back, on the current controversy on the release of this film:

<O:p</O:phttp://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html (http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html)<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p

The true history is buried deep into earth. Whatever we are being taught is not history, but a bundle of lies.

We may have some differences with Rajputs, but in my view it is not wise to spread hatred against them at this juncture.
.<O:p</O:p

there is no word like rajput mentioned in baburnama, though babur mentions jats n gujjars. a class was created later by aqbar and his successors to create revenue for a foreighner at the cost of natives of hindustan. faiz n fazl never mentioned the word rajput in their poetry.

[snandal1]

knowingly or unknowingly, never did these champions of hinduism appear, when somnath was looted by ghazni.:)

[plsehrawat]

but then again haldi-ghati will come. then again 3000 forces will come. hardly n e body among them rajputs? inm rana pratap family.

unke dhore tir bhi koni aqbar ke khilaf, ladan khatar. pathar ludhka ludhka ke vo rana pratap haldi ghati me, hindustan ka governor bannann lagg rhya tha. 3009 ki sena me aadhe se jyada muslim the led by hassan khan mewati.. ye kyanki hindu champion war?????:)

[plsehrawat]

rajput nam ki chidiya ka bera koni patya jab momd bin quasim aya sindh me. 712 AD:) me. mere vichar se yadi me galti par nahin hun to shayad ye us samay tak paida hi nahin huai the????????????????????????

[vijay]

Gud catch :) ... I love ur presence of mind


Presence of mind or absense of knowledge ?

Anybody knows the who ruled and when ???

NCERT books says that Aurangjeb was such a great secular King and Shivaji was just a fundamentalist.
Are they afraid of Shivaji ...... nowdays ?

Mayawati is calling Chander Shekhar Azad a terrorist .....
Is Azad's ghost haunting her still ?

Why don't any Indian government feel easy to unfold documents regarding Subhash Chandra Bose ............ Are they afraid of him yet ?

Were British better ?

[plsehrawat]

in mughlan ke patwari the ye rajput. jat kamawe tha ye us ki phasal ne loot loot ke diya karte the mughlan nne.:)

[plsehrawat]

the most opportunist people, ever known in world history, created till today, who supported every govt in power, for their well being at the cost of their natives...:).

[plsehrawat]

aur phir hai bhi to kuchh nahin ye rajput. jin ka khud ka origin ek marusthal rajasthan se ho, jahan sub bhukhe marte hon, aur baki aur rajput bhi sub bhukhe marne me unke baap hon, inhen aur kuchh aa bhi kya sakta hai:)

[plsehrawat]

ye bhukhlande/bahadur rajput jo punjab/haryana ki zamin pe aaj tuk raj nahin kar paye, aur na hi kabhi kar payenge, in mughlon ke patwariyon ko door se sallamm...........:)

[plsehrawat]

ye nueguenea ke pig, australia ke rabbit, aise kaise is desh ke itihas pe chha gaye?????:) sikander ne bhi in bekoofann ka naam koni liya...:) ye te bhai katai hawa me tte udd ke aa rre ssen, machharrann ki dhall:)

[harra]

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raja Man singh erstwhile ruler of jaipur married 36 afghan prioncesses why is n't there a film about that historical fact.

what would you say of jat rulers who take pride in telling the world that their daughters are married into rajput royalty.
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[harra]

the most opportunist people, ever known in world history, created till today, who supported every govt in power, for their well being at the cost of their natives...:).



jyada na masta bhai , tane kaun ya bata di se ki rajput didn't rule punjab . before sikhism rajputs ruled punjab and even after , did u forget banda bahadur .


how did haryana before green revolution differed from rajasthan.


this is worth wondering how jats of haryana survived the wrath of nearby emperprors of delhi

[harra]

[quote=plsehrawat;162416]unke dhore tir bhi koni aqbar ke khilaf, ladan khatar. pathar ludhka ludhka ke vo rana pratap haldi ghati me, hindustan ka governor bannann lagg rhya tha. 3009 ki sena me aadhe se jyada muslim the led by hassan khan mewati.. ye kyanki hindu champion war?????:)[/quote

you tell me on one hand when most of jats are arguing over prithviraj or pratap 'sorigin ---jat or rajput. how could pyaelal u talk baseless things . any way what were jats doing in haryana during akbar and aurangjeb's rule . jats never had any respectable thing to tell about themselves before choturam came.

[vijay]

you tell me on one hand when most of jats are arguing over prithviraj or pratap 'sorigin ---jat or rajput. how could pyaelal u talk baseless things . any way what were jats doing in haryana during akbar and aurangjeb's rule . jats never had any respectable thing to tell about themselves before choturam came.

It's our genuine personality that we are even talking about Prithviraj and/or about Pratap here ......... we have a glorious past and behave accordingly till date ...... Do i have to describe here how Rajputs Kings from Jaipur, Jodhpur used to lick the foots of mughals and even marrieds their daughters with them.

What else you have to mention about your past .... let us know.

[ygulia]

Is this guy Sanjay Singh a Rajput? If so, then why he is a member of Jatland Forum.

[vijay]

Is this guy Sanjay Singh a Rajput? If so, then why he is a member of Jatland Forum.


You still have doubts only ?

[ygulia]

You still have doubts only ?
If it is so then I appeal to the Editor of JATLAND that he should be taken off the membership and decorum of this institution should be maintained.

[shailendra]

... Yaaron kylaein dukhi hon laag re ho...
Farzee logo ka kae sae, kidhar bhi kaddae bhi aa ja hain! Aer bhaiyee re, paher en 'Rajput' kehlaane aalon ka bera bhi to konya; inmae kuchh nae nuhee 'Daasi-putra' thodee hi kaha karein!!?!! ;)

Maka yo andee aadhe se jyaada apni kaum mein hi 'farzee' aer confused ghooma karein sein, phaer ude Jaatan kae beech ek-aadha identity-crisis-ka maara bhoole-bhatkae aa gaya to bhai mhaare kae pharak pade sai? Bachchae nae puchkaar kae wapas bhej do..... ;):rolleyes::D

[harra]

O.K dear this proves that some really don' t have the guts to discuss the history .

[ygulia]

Now it is clear that he(Sanjay) is some what Rajput. It is also clear that he became member of this forum by concealing his idendity which proves that he is not even Rajput. If he had been a Rajput then I think he would not have written all these **** by using platform of JATLAND. I have doubt that he is real Rajput.
Any how, it is in hands all Jatlanders to find out his idendity and frame a charge of cyber crime against him and hand him over to the police for concealment of facts while acquiring membership of JATLAND and also for writing inferior comments on a community.

[amiteshv]

[quote=plsehrawat;162416]unke dhore tir bhi koni aqbar ke khilaf, ladan khatar. pathar ludhka ludhka ke vo rana pratap haldi ghati me, hindustan ka governor bannann lagg rhya tha. 3009 ki sena me aadhe se jyada muslim the led by hassan khan mewati.. ye kyanki hindu champion war?????:)[/quote

you tell me on one hand when most of jats are arguing over prithviraj or pratap 'sorigin ---jat or rajput. how could pyaelal u talk baseless things . any way what were jats doing in haryana during akbar and aurangjeb's rule . jats never had any respectable thing to tell about themselves before choturam came.

n u dnt have n e thing respectable till today to tell to the world where had u come from n where will u go?????????????????????

like from mnt abu??????????

from bloody fire??????????

where else???????????

I hope that u r born from ur mother's whomb n that bldy fire?????:)

[amiteshv]

what is bloody ur existence b4 aqbar?????:)

[amiteshv]

I can guarantte for sure that Rajput was not born b4 Aqbar. All theories about their origins are fraud...:)

[amiteshv]

sivaji bhaonsle, was related to gahlaut dynastyy of chittore/jittore/jattore b4 he was corronatted....He made marathas a nation...but all generals quelling that revolution...were in one or other way were Rajputs, including the Jat, Sikh,...revolution etc...:)

[amiteshv]

Mr. Singh, tere pue nne revolution dekhe kabhi??????:)

[amiteshv]

Mr. Sanjay Singh kabhi aap nne zalliyann wale bagh ke revolution dekhe????

kitne Rajput the vahan ppe ......:)

[amiteshv]

sanjay singh can u compare in between these two theorireis that where chittore garh ka funeral was optimistic (unreal) but Jat was always real...:):)

while jittoregarh ka funeral was always unreal but zalianwala kand was real

[amiteshv]

kabhi apna naam chhod ke Raja ka putt ban jaye jo bhai us ka tte ulla hi belli sse. chahe us ke liye apni bahan, beti, bahu, maa, chahe kuchh bhi deni pade per khali is liye ukk do char pisse mill jayenn bhai, is ke des nne kaum nne neelaamm karwa dde. jis kke khun mme khetti karnaa haramm sse, aisse vir dharti ke putran nne mhara pranamm sse...:)

[amiteshv]

can n e bloody rajput come on history channel. introducicing himself as rajput n say towards anything that we did bloody this n that for nation...I'm sure that they bloody have contributed negatively towards nation. nation was not intheir blood...it were just a few pounces that moghuls poured in their blood, n due to that these bloody people were ready to do n e thing... :)

[snandal1]

aa ek rana pratap, aa kitin ka koi rana koni, bhubharia ssya dikhe thya...aaa ek baniye ke pissye ne chabb gya, bhamashah ke, aaj taanyeen us ka jawab koni diya....uk ... me des khattar laddun gya....


aa bhagat lala lazpat rai ka dhela koni khaya....per us ki maut ka badla liya....:) vah rre haraamm khoro razputo

[snandal1]

bharat ka itihass as its written today, ek azeebb vidambna hai...:)

[snandal1]

singh namm ke title razputrann me aqbar ke bad hi shuru huai the varna in razputran ke bus ki singh lagana kahan bus ki tha. ye to bhagwant/phagwant mall lagaya karte the...???????????:)

[snandal1]

entry of Rajput in Indian history was like a sher "Her, shakh pe ullu baitha hai, unzamen gulistann kya hoga, jub s ubah hi intni dushit hai to sham na jane kya ho ga????":)

bloody most fictitious allien people of the world...:)

[amiteshv]

aa ek rana pratap, aa kitin ka koi rana koni, bhubharia ssya dikhe thya...aaa ek baniye ke pissye ne chabb gya, bhamashah ke, aaj taanyeen us ka jawab koni diya....uk ... me des khattar laddun gya....


aa bhagat lala lazpat rai ka dhela koni khaya....per us ki maut ka badla liya....:) vah rre haraamm khoro razputo

katti sahi kadhi, mere bhai. battis quille jeet liye maine ek dulari ryah gayi jittore/chittore pyari rhah gayee:) aa chittore/jittore/jattore ke bharat tha ke??? issye quille hore syari duniyan me koni basshye the. ukk ya sara hindustan ka naksha ho gaya kye, jya nne aa rajputt bhai save karye gya???:confused:

[amiteshv]

babur crossed river Indus with 12000 horses, on the invitation of Rana Sanga, but without n e ladies, on horseback behind them... it were these rajputs who supplied their ladies to them...:)

[amiteshv]

:)the only rajput king in indian/world history was sanga rana.who never had a knowledge that babur china ke pas ka hai hor ek top khana bhi tha kke lya ske sse

[amiteshv]

aa is khuda ke nek inssann nne nue sochi ukk aa babur tte unhenhi chalya jayaye gya jyisee Allexander chalya gya thya:)

[amiteshv]

jo sukh chhajju kke chaubare vo balkh na bukhare...:)

[amiteshv]

tte bhai aaj tyanyee is india tte babur koni niptya, per aa sanjay singh chhoturam nne yadd kare sse, chhajju ram ne us ka pue koni janne...:)

[snandal1]

udde nne badde pundit rana pratap ka alla ga rye the. ukk ya rana pratap mhari sampati ki rakshya kare gya. udde nne do char baanddren nne tte bhai manne paadd liya hota. aa banddrann nne ke bera bhai ukk asli beej is samasya ke yahi rana pratap ke vansaj ssen. hor vo kitti tte koi nasnalist koni but swarthist ssen..., udde nne ekk ber issye ayodhya gumman chalya tha. :)

[snandal1]

vo jo somnath ki sampatti ulti lutty jatyann nne mahmood ghazni tte udde nne ayodhya me us ka kiti nne bera koni patya...:) sara rajput jis samay sowe tha ya phir paida hi nahin hua tha...:)

[snandal1]

but i can tell for sure to all rajputs of the world that while jats still take pride from indo-gangetic plain, but rajputs all over the world take pride from a desert land i.e. rajasthan. no rajput till today trace his origin from haryana, punjab...etc. n no rajput ever ruled these states...:)

[snandal1]

n that too is fictitious:)

[sumitsehrawat]

Such an ethnocentric behaviour will do no good to any community. I think we all can refrain ourselves on this topic. We Jats and Rajputs both are great.

"Aapka Pakistaan Zindabad hai, is se hume koi aitraaz nahi... magar humara Hindustan hamesha Zindabad tha Zindabad hai aur Zindabad rahega...Hindustan Zindabad!!" ~GADAR


Live and let live:)!!

Thanks,
Sumit