Which Gotra is the Biggest among Jat

[sanjeetsparp]

Which Gotra is the biggest among Jats ....... Is it Dahiya, Malik, Maan, Hooda, Pawar

[trueblueindian]

Which Gotra is the biggest among Jats ....... Is it Dahiya, Malik, Maan, Hooda, Pawar

i guess dahiya !!!

[maniisha]

i guess dahiya !!!

I think Malik is Biggest Gotra ... :)

[sanjeetsparp]

DnD sir and Burdak sir ..... help kariyo thodi se .... main bhi yeho soch reha tha ki Dahiya hi hai ..... per mere ko leg reha hai hum Haryana main hi soch rahe hain abhi tak .. baaki UP Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, MP sab mila ke koi statistics available ho to batao sir

[sanjeetsparp]

itna bhi suna hai ki Dahiya ka bhyaa Mailk ke saath ho reha ho ya ulta or kite ne kite hooda bhi laag rya ho to unki shaadi haryana main to ho nahi sakti

[trueblueindian]

itna bhi suna hai ki Dahiya ka bhyaa Mailk ke saath ho reha ho ya ulta or kite ne kite hooda bhi laag rya ho to unki shaadi haryana main to ho nahi sakti

bhai iss baat ka tae berra nahi appar ... dahiya, dabas arrr hooda ka bhaichara tou aaj bhi hai ... waise abb byah hovan laag gaey appas mei .. apar pehelam na hoya kartey

[maniisha]

itna bhi suna hai ki Dahiya ka bhyaa Mailk ke saath ho reha ho ya ulta or kite ne kite hooda bhi laag rya ho to unki shaadi haryana main to ho nahi sakti

Jis ghar mein Dahiya or Malik hai usske byaah tho mushkil se :D
Sanjeet Ji aapke ghar mein yo raasaa se k .. :)

[vivekpannu]

Jis ghar mein Dahiya or Malik hai usske byaah tho mushkil se :D
Aage paachhe neem talle.....or koye baat bhi aave se ke iste nyaari :D:p

[devchodhary]

The Origin of Clan (Gotra)

Opinion 1)
Khadagrai a writer during emperor Shahjahan reifndescribed that Tomar caste is best
among Kshatriyas and they belong to Som Kul and are descendants of Pandavas.
Actually Tomar , Tanwar , Tung ,Tunwar is one and same Gotra among Rajputs
and Jats

Opinion 2)
Another poet of 17th Century AD Kayam Khani has described Kshatriya in the
following lines:
“ Chaun 1st , Tanwar are the second and Panwar is third and other Kuls are in half .
Ther is total three and half of Kshatriya.”

Opinion 3)
According to puranic legend Dabas are the sons of Maharishi Dadhichi the great king
of Sindh in Vedic period .He has four sons namely Dahiya, Davyas (DABAS) Kundu and Hooda .
Dadhichi an emperor turned Maharishi died at the age of 100 years while fighting to
Non-Aryans tribes. In the battle his four sons fought with utmost bravery and anihiliated
the non-Aryan.
The epic makers goes on to prove that the families of Dahiya , Dabas , Kundu and Hooda
lived together upto the times of Mahabharat in the shape of groups like
Soor, Saini, Birshani and Bhoj. They lived in Ujjain , Avantika, Sambal , Inderprastha,
Rajasthan and other Northern India parts upto 7th Century AD.
so i think its still not b clear dat Which Gotra is the Biggest among Jat.
with regards.
Dev.

[sanjeetsparp]

Na miniisha ji mehara ghar te in te bach reha hai ..... per laage se ye ghar main jo kaam kisse ne nahi kerne hote na wo mere jimme ho hain ... er jaldi hi december tak laage hai yo galaama mere gale main ghalta laage hai .... koi malik likh rakhi hai ....... ek pandit ne batayi thee

[shwetadhaka]

Which Gotra is the biggest among Jats ....... Is it Dahiya, Malik, Maan, Hooda, Pawar

Biggest bole to ...... lambai me ya chodaai me :rolleyes: ....... dil me ya dimaag me ....:o ....... hasne me ya rone me ... :D ....... ye sab batao tab shayad kuch ache se jaan paaye aap :p

[sanjeetsparp]

Shweta madam ... main to number main bol reha tha .... baaki parameter aap khoj ke lyaaoo ki kon sa beda hai ... number amin kon ghane hain .... main to uski baat ker reha tha

Devender bhai nice information ..... sorry in between the thread went in different direction .... but it is still to be discussed that which Gotra is the biggest .... as there is a lot of confusion ....

[maniisha]

Aage paachhe neem talle.....or koye baat bhi aave se ke iste nyaari :D:p

Sorry for Off Topic Guyzz .. :)
Fotu maadi si choti laletaa :p:D

[baliyanvijay]

bhai logo jra haryana se bhar bhi niclo and dekho ki baliyan and tomer both have at least 84 villages each and i come to jnow that baliyan and tomer khap is the biggest among the all khap. if i am wrong, kindly correct me.

[crsnadar]

Biggest I don't know...

But...Smallest I know...

"NADARYA":)

aaj tak koi nahi mila is surname ke saath...
...because I read it in a Book ......& as in my Certificates my name is only "RAHUL" ...without any surname... so I chose the correct form of the gotra...wherever I need to put surname by compulsion I wrtie it Rahul Nadarya...

Otherwise to humaare yaha sabhi log Chaudhary & Singh hi lagaate hai as Surname...

sorry to drift you away.....



.....I think Biggest Gotra may be
one out of following

Malik, Tomar, Rathi, Balyan


......i think

[devchodhary]

Sanjeev jii historians differ in tracing their origin and their parent stock in India but these four clans Dahiya, Davyas (DABAS) Kundu and Hooda according to Herodotous, Jats and their Janapad (Khap) and Gana continued their old customs and appointed family ganealoist to perpetuate their history of family and the race form Mythic genealogy. So might b they all gotras are biggest among jat.

[devchodhary]

bhai logo jra haryana se bhar bhi niclo and dekho ki baliyan and tomer both have at least 84 villages each and i come to jnow that baliyan and tomer khap is the biggest among the all khap. if i am wrong, kindly correct me.

vijay kumar jii plzz make me clear about ur gotra.....
Baliyan and Valiyan are the same one or else differ.
Coz i b'long to Valiyan Gotra, n unfotunately cudn't find this gotra in JL wiki.

[cooljat]

I think Tomer, Sangwan, Malik, Dahiya, Puniya, Dhaka are biggest Gotras ..

Senior ppl like Burdak Uncle, DND uncle and Ravi ji may shed more light on this gud topic.


Rock on
Jit

[mukeshkumar007]

rajasthan maie to shyed sabse jyada dhaka hai...

yar rahul maine to samota ek bi na paya yeha jatland par :(:(

[sandeepbalyan]

Hi ,

I guess "Baliyan" is one of the biggest in UP...

Thanks,
Sandeep Baliyan

[sumitsehrawat]

I am just making a guess...
1. Malik
2. Dahiya
3. Sangwan/Hooda

Thanks,
Sumit

[spdeshwal]

I think, the biggest Gotra is Malik/ Gathwala.

Some of you have written Hooda and that is bit strange to me.Any idea about Hooda villages in Rajasthan and UP. I believe, there aren't more than two dozen villages of Hoodas in haryana.

Mukesh, you said," Dhaka is the bigget Gotra in Rajasthan". How about Punia/ Poonia/ panu?

There are about 92-93 village of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra , almost equally distributed in Haryana, UP and Rajasthan

[vijay]

Godara is the biggest Jat gotra ( my guess )

Rajasthan : more than 500 villeges ( maybe upto 1000 villeges )
Haryana : approx 100 villeges in Sirsa, Fatehabad and Hisar distt only ..didn't considered rest of Haryana.
Punjab : approx 50 villeges in Abohar, Fazilka area only

Don't know exactly about Delhi, UP and other States.

[trueblueindian]

Aage paachhe neem talle.....or koye baat bhi aave se ke iste nyaari :D:p

hahahha pannu apni bhi Bhinnn ki bhinnn:rolleyes::D

[dndeswal]

.
This subject was discussed in 2006. Read this thread : biggest Jat gotra (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15512&highlight=Malik+gotra)

Without reliable statistics, it is difficult to say which gotra is ‘biggest’, though a few large gotras can be discussed. In the above thread, most of the members agreed that ‘Malik’ is perhaps the biggest (i.e. widespread) gotra.

For your general knowledge and humor, the following thread by Dev Dahiya is quite interesting:

Gottan Ki Khas Baat,per Bhaiyo Bura Kati Nahin Maniyo (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6893&highlight=Malik%2C+Dahiya%2C+Tomar)


.<O:p</O:p

[vijay]

rajasthan maie to shyed sabse jyada dhaka hai...


Mukesh,

Dhaka's have a gud population in Rajasthan but Godara, Beniwal, Sihag, Punia, Saharan, Jakhar, Kaswan etc are in multiples than the Dhaka's :)

[raka]

1.punia is the biggest gotar
2.dhillon
3gill
4sangwan
5sheoran
6sidhu/barar

[vijay]

1.punia is the biggest gotar
2.dhillon
3gill
4sangwan
5sheoran
6sidhu/barar

Wrong ..... bhai ...... try to analyze again.

There are more Gadara, Beniwal, Sihag than Punia.

Sangwan have more population than Dhillon and Gill ( very rare ..... in Jats .... didn't included Jatt Sikh Gills )

Also Sindhu/Brar people can be found liberally in Jatt Sikhs rather than jats

[vijay]

Tomar : They ruled ancient Delhi but nowdays mostly contented to western UP only. Maybe 200 villeges at most .

Malik : They are spread all over Haryana except the western region of Haryana.

Dahiya : Same as above but Maliks are better spread over.

Hooda : Rohtak maybe the area only where they dominent in Jat population. They hardly found outside that area.

Deswal : Mostly found in western UP ( in bulk ) ... honestly i don't consider them a biggest gotra in Jats.

Sangwan is the only gotra which can give some attention to get compared with Godara and Beniwal, Sihag etc .....

Friends ....... please just try to come out of Haryana as population of Jats in Rajasthan is much more than Haryana, Punjab, Delhi, UP combined ( 300 squares miles almost 10 Haryana ...... triangle between Barmer, Bharatpur and Ganganagar ........)

I bet that there are more than 1500 villeges of Godara's and more than 700 villeges of Beniwal's.

What say ?

[rkumar]

I think, the biggest Gotra is Malik/ Gathwala.

Some of you have written Hooda and that is bit strange to me.Any idea about Hooda villages in Rajasthan and UP. I believe, there aren't more than two dozen villages of Hoodas in haryana.

Mukesh, you said," Dhaka is the bigget Gotra in Rajasthan". How about Punia/ Poonia/ panu?

There are about 92-93 village of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra , almost equally distributed in Haryana, UP and Rajasthan

Hooda for sure is not a big Gotra. I think it will fall among smaller Gotras. I doubt if Hoodas have even more than 8-10 villages all over India. However, Hoodas dominate like no one else...LOL...and no one knows better than me..

RK^2

[dndeswal]

Deswal : Mostly found in western UP ( in bulk ) ... honestly i don't consider them a biggest gotra in Jats.

I bet that there are more than 1500 villeges of Godara's and more than 700 villeges of Beniwal's.

What say ?

I am not sure Vijay, but the figure of 1500 villages looks an exaggeration. Maybe the figure is correct but the population of those villages may be thin.

Unlike Dahiya gotra which is concentrated within a big khap in Sonepat district, Deswals are one of the widespread ones - some villages each in Jind, Panipat, Jhajjar and Rohtak in Haryana and in Bulandshahr/ Meerut/ Muzaffarnagar districts of UP and some villages in distt. Bharatpur (Rajasthan). Still, I do not think it is 'biggest' in number. As I wrote above, Maliks are more widespread and one of the biggest. Deswals also have a tradition of maintaining "Bhaichara" with Dalal, Suhag and Maan gotras.
.

[raka]

Wrong ..... bhai ...... try to analyze again.

There are more Gadara, Beniwal, Sihag than Punia.

Sangwan have more population than Dhillon and Gill ( very rare ..... in Jats .... didn't included Jatt Sikh Gills )

Also Sindhu/Brar people can be found liberally in Jatt Sikhs rather than jats

Vijay bhai im talking about jat ,sikh ho ya arya smaji ya muslim who bhad me hai phale hum jat hai apni kaum me hum hi batwara kar rahe hai ye galat baat hai koi dusra kahe alag baat hai

[dkumars]

Vijay bhai im talking about jat ,sikh ho ya arya smaji ya muslim who bhad me hai phale hum jat hai apni kaum me hum hi batwara kar rahe hai ye galat baat hai koi dusra kahe alag baat hai



applaud applaud applaud ... sahi kahi bhai

[cooljat]

DND uncle, aap to Western UP se nahi ho, if I aint wrong.;):p

For the knowledge of self-acclaimed Historian here, there're only 4 village of Deswal or Deshwal's in Western UP!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Origin of Deswal is in Haryana somewhere, am forgetting the name of the village thou; DND n Satypal bhaisaab can u shed some light on this!!:)

as for me, MALIK is the biggest Jat gotra, they found everywhere and; even in Sikh & Muslim Jats!!:)


Rock on
Jit

IUnlike Dahiya gotra which is concentrated within a big khap in Sonepat district, Deswals are one of the widespread ones - some villages each in Jind, Panipat, Jhajjar and Rohtak in Haryana and in Bulandshahr/ Meerut/ Muzaffarnagar districts of UP and some villages in distt. Bharatpur (Rajasthan). Still, I do not think it is 'biggest' in number. As I wrote above, Maliks are more widespread and one of the biggest. Deswals also have a tradition of maintaining "Bhaichara" with Dalal, Suhag and Maan gotras.
.

[sandeepbalyan]

Hi All ,

What about "RANA" ?

[lrburdak]

We do not know definitely which is the biggest Jat gotra. Let us try Google search. It shows following numbers:

Rana - 16,200,000

Malik - 13,000,000

Dhaka - 9,870,000

Char - 231,000

Punia - 77,800

Jakhar - 41,800

Beniwal - 30,000

Deswal - 25,600

Burdak - 22,200

Godara - 35,000

Sihag - 18,800

It may certainly not include only jat gotras. It has all entries about the word on net.

[narenderkharb]

Vijay bhai im talking about jat ,sikh ho ya arya smaji ya muslim who bhad me hai phale hum jat hai apni kaum me hum hi batwara kar rahe hai ye galat baat hai koi dusra kahe alag baat hai

Well said .

[narenderkharb]

Wrong ..... bhai ...... try to analyze again.

There are more Gadara, Beniwal, Sihag than Punia.

Sangwan have more population than Dhillon and Gill ( very rare ..... in Jats .... didn't included Jatt Sikh Gills )

Also Sindhu/Brar people can be found liberally in Jatt Sikhs rather than jats


Punia most probably is biggest Jat gotr.

Gills are more numerous than Sangwan.

Last correction Sindhu and Sidhu are different and both Jat Sikhs and Hindu Jats are Jats .

[narenderkharb]

We do not know definitely which is the biggest Jat gotra. Let us try Google search. It shows following numbers:



Char - 231,000

.

Who are they ???

[vijay]

Who are they ???

I suppose that they are Chaahar instead of Char :)

[vijay]

Punia most probably is biggest Jat gotr.

Well. bhai Punia is among one of the biggest gotra but i stick to the point that Godara, Beniwal have more population than Punia or any other Jat Gotra.


Gills are more numerous than Sangwan.


I said that i didn't included Jatt Sikhs. If we include Jatt Sikhs than Sangwan can't be compared with Gill gotra.

Jatt Sikh have four major over spread gotra's i.e. Sidhu, Mann, Brar and Gill and can overlap any Hindi Jat gotra (in population ) except a few like Godara, Beniwal, Punia, Malik.


Last correction Sindhu and Sidhu are different and both Jat Sikhs and Hindu Jats are Jats.

Yes Bhai, i know Sindhu and sidhu are totally different ( originally were JAT only ). :)

I also know that Sidhu gotra is most populated amongst Sikhs and you will wonder that Sidhu gotra have sub gotra too. One of my friend ( Sidhu ) got married to a Sidhu girl ..... surprizingly i asked .... what's the matter ...... and then i come to know the fact that Sidhu's have sub gotra's too. Her bride was Sidhu ( Brar ):) and he himself was Sidhu ( Sidhu ). But both were Sidhu.

[narenderkharb]

Well. bhai Punia is among one of the biggest gotra but i stick to the point that Godara, Beniwal have more population than Punia or any other Jat Gotra.



I said that i didn't included Jatt Sikhs. If we include Jatt Sikhs than Sangwan can't be compared with Gill gotra.

Jatt Sikh have four major over spread gotra's i.e. Sidhu, Mann, Brar and Gill and can overlap any Hindi Jat gotra (in population ) except a few like Godara, Beniwal, Punia, Malik.



Yes Bhai, i know Sindhu and sidhu are totally different ( originally were JAT only ). :)

I also know that Sidhu gotra is most populated amongst Sikhs and you will wonder that Sidhu gotra have sub gotra too. One of my friend ( Sidhu ) got married to a Sidhu girl ..... surprizingly i asked .... what's the matter ...... and then i come to know the fact that Sidhu's have sub gotra's too. Her bride was Sidhu ( Brar ):) and he himself was Sidhu ( Sidhu ). But both were Sidhu.

Well I was narrating what I heard from elders but you may be right as you have first hand information..

[vijay]

We do not know definitely which is the biggest Jat gotra. Let us try Google search. It shows following numbers:

Rana - 16,200,000

Malik - 13,000,000

Dhaka - 9,870,000

Char - 231,000

Punia - 77,800

Jakhar - 41,800

Beniwal - 30,000

Deswal - 25,600

Burdak - 22,200

Godara - 35,000

Sihag - 18,800

It may certainly not include only jat gotras. It has all entries about the word on net.

Burdak Ji,

I don't know what type of serach you did on google but i really doubts these statistics if they are all about Jat population only.

Most of the Rajputs/Muslims use Rana before their name.

I see more Punjabi Maliks rather than Jat Maliks apart from Muslim Maliks.

Where are the decedents of that 700 villeges Godara Empire ( few centuries ago ) .....

as i told earlier that in only Sirsa-Hisar region there exists more than 100 villeges nowdays ( i considered only villeges where more than 50% of Godara Jat population ......... total population of villege around 2000-3000 ) ........ enough material to calculate in suppose ....

And in Rajasthan, the triangle between Barmer, Bharatpur and Sri Ganganagr ( more than 300 square miles ) ....... You can find Godara in any region .........

I think i mentioned about punjab also .... earlier

I wonder if people tell me the name of a single villege in Rajasthan where Maliks have a population more than 100 people .... forget about domination in the population even in that villege itself.


Total population of Jats in Rajasthan is much more than the Jats rersiding in rest of India.

[fatehsingh]

IF YOU TALKING ABOUT JAT GOTRA(LEAVE THE RELIGION ASIDE)
THN
malik(bulk of muslim and hindu jats use this gotra) is the winner hands down

[vijay]

IF YOU TALKING ABOUT JAT GOTRA(LEAVE THE RELIGION ASIDE)
THN
malik(bulk of muslim and hindu jats use this gotra) is the winner hands down

And what the about hands up realities...... buddy :)

Any proof of what you saying .... or it's like that you declared the result and people must believe on that ???

I say again ...... tell me any villege in Rajasthan which have Malik Jats ( people say here .... that mailks are wided spread )

Any Malik villege in Punjab ? MP ? Rajasthan ?

I wonder if you know that more than 55% of Jats in India are residing in Rajasthan ONLY.

[lrburdak]

Hi Vijay,

Google search is not reliable. It searches the word and not Jat gotra.
Regarding Char, they are more commonly Chahar.

There is no way out to find the population by Gotras when we do not have exact population of Jats.

Number of villages in a Khap may be one indicator.

Regards,

[shobhitdeshwal]

Dear all,

The traces of Jat history can be found well in the prehistoric age. I was told the other day that Turkish scholars have proved to the fact that Lord Shiva was a Jat ( I personally am not of the same school of thought! ) Yet! if someone can go till that extent in tracing our history and origin, why do we find pleasure in searching naive things like quantity of a specific jat Gotra? A Gotra relates directly to the original seven or eight Rishis of the Vedas. In this sense, Lord Rama did not have a Gotra, and in rituals his Gotra would be the Gotra of his Brahmin priest.

Now, do we have to look for our lineage according to the Brahmin priests? If so, I can with plausible certainty say that any Gotra will not have precedence over any other and all will come from the same Rishi of the Vedas! As they identified only 8 of them, and one of them might have been for the Khatriyas. And we being from the same blood, have all the same characteristics, Yet! if it plays a role, it does only in following certain rituals at the time of birth, wedding and death! All else is the same.

If we are planning to look into the might of a particular Gotra probably we are wrong, and if we want to acclaim having the largest traditional lineage in jats via a Gotra, we again are wrong, because today people choose to be independent thinkers and do not really go by the ancient practices at the time of birth or death, law of convenience has taken iots course on the modern day society of jats as well!

The largest Gotra should be the Jat Gotra of Humans.... All else is a baseless fallacy which binds us to our family and not with the community, for the community to be in a condominium, we need to come up with the thought that all are one!

I met a great scholar of history the other day who knew better than me about the western UP lineage of Deswal gotra! Now, how does that matter to me how many villages do Deswals/Deshwals live in.. They live in peace is what is important along with other Gotras of the same MahaGotra!!!

This is a very petite and naive thing to brain storm about is what I feel!

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal.

[lrburdak]

Nice idea Sobhit. We all are one. All combined are force. Can you further give more details about following statement:

"I was told the other day that Turkish scholars have proved to the fact that Lord Shiva was a Jat "

All mythological and historical facts prove this that Jats descended from Shiva. Turkish study may be valuable for us.

Regards,

[narenderkharb]

Dear all,

The traces of Jat history can be found well in the prehistoric age. I was told the other day that Turkish scholars have proved to the fact that Lord Shiva was a Jat ( I personally am not of the same school of thought! ) Yet! if someone can go till that extent in tracing our history and origin, why do we find pleasure in searching naive things like quantity of a specific jat Gotra? A Gotra relates directly to the original seven or eight Rishis of the Vedas. In this sense, Lord Rama did not have a Gotra, and in rituals his Gotra would be the Gotra of his Brahmin priest.

Now, do we have to look for our lineage according to the Brahmin priests? If so, I can with plausible certainty say that any Gotra will not have precedence over any other and all will come from the same Rishi of the Vedas! As they identified only 8 of them, and one of them might have been for the Khatriyas. And we being from the same blood, have all the same characteristics, Yet! if it plays a role, it does only in following certain rituals at the time of birth, wedding and death! All else is the same.

If we are planning to look into the might of a particular Gotra probably we are wrong, and if we want to acclaim having the largest traditional lineage in jats via a Gotra, we again are wrong, because today people choose to be independent thinkers and do not really go by the ancient practices at the time of birth or death, law of convenience has taken iots course on the modern day society of jats as well!

The largest Gotra should be the Jat Gotra of Humans.... All else is a baseless fallacy which binds us to our family and not with the community, for the community to be in a condominium, we need to come up with the thought that all are one!

I met a great scholar of history the other day who knew better than me about the western UP lineage of Deswal gotra! Now, how does that matter to me how many villages do Deswals/Deshwals live in.. They live in peace is what is important along with other Gotras of the same MahaGotra!!!

This is a very petite and naive thing to brain storm about is what I feel!

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal.

True

Jat clan is a myth .

We have a particular clan as we have tradition of going by father clan where both father and mother contribute equally .

Suppose we have maternal clan lineage than our got would have been totally different than what we identify with today .

So what matters is Jat gene pool .

On a lighter tone, there is a reason to go by father identity...

As Indian maternal DNA is fairly uniform irespective of different groups ,so at the end it is father who makes the real difference .:)

Now ,Where did you read that all Jat clans came from Eight rishi gotrs?Fact is Indian soils know Jats earlier than Vedas and its rishis

Lastly It is a simple awareness about different clan numbers not might of this or that clan ,what is harm in knowing that ?Take it in postive way .

[vijay]

Dear all,

The traces of Jat history can be found well in the prehistoric age. I was told the other day that Turkish scholars have proved to the fact that Lord Shiva was a Jat ( I personally am not of the same school of thought! ) Yet! if someone can go till that extent in tracing our history and origin, why do we find pleasure in searching naive things like quantity of a specific jat Gotra? A Gotra relates directly to the original seven or eight Rishis of the Vedas. In this sense, Lord Rama did not have a Gotra, and in rituals his Gotra would be the Gotra of his Brahmin priest.


Well, i don't know how Turkish scholar proved that Lord Shiva were a jat but i doubt that prersent day's castism theory was in practice in that mythical time period ( and ofcourse only if they proved to exist ).

And if Lord Rama did not had a gotra than certainly Lord Shiva is beyond this scope of gotra 'thing'.


If we are planning to look into the might of a particular Gotra probably we are wrong, and if we want to acclaim having the largest traditional lineage in jats via a Gotra, we again are wrong, because today people choose to be independent thinkers and do not really go by the ancient practices at the time of birth or death, law of convenience has taken iots course on the modern day society of jats as well!


I suppose that here we are talking about the present day statistics ( of course only about quantity/population in an absolute meaning ) which doesn't have any connenction with might or likewise thinking as a whole.


The largest Gotra should be the Jat Gotra of Humans.... All else is a baseless fallacy which binds us to our family and not with the community, for the community to be in a condominium, we need to come up with the thought that all are one!


Let me ammend : The largest Gotra should be the Gotra of Humans ( inclusive or exclusive of the Jat word )


I met a great scholar of history the other day who knew better than me about the western UP lineage of Deswal gotra! Now, how does that matter to me how many villages do Deswals/Deshwals live in.. They live in peace is what is important along with other Gotras of the same MahaGotra!!!


I don't think that it matters to anybody that in what quantity their own gotra people ( except for the sake of statistics only ) exist in this World.

I still didn't get it that What you want to convey here except some philosophical preaching attitude only ?

We are just discussing about some statistics about Jat population and its distribution ONLY :)

[arunshamli]

[B]I don't think that it matters to anybody that in what quantity their own gotra people ( except for the sake of statistics only ) exist in this World.


agar bada gotra hai toh shadi hone me dikkat aati hai.:)

[vijay]

agar bada gotra hai toh shadi hone me dikkat aati hai.:)

And hence it's difficult to find a match in western Haryana, North Rajasthan and West Punjab ..... if you have Godara or Beniwal as one of ur parents .... in that 200 square miles .....

Well, let me know that where real Jatland is ?

[spdeshwal]

Hey Jit,

There are more than 20 villages of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra in UP. I can give the name of the villages but wait a week or two and I can provide you the list.

It is believed that origin of Deswal/ Deshwal Gotra is Village Ladhaut, Disst. Rohtak which is coincidently happened to be my village.

Most likely migration route to UP is:Ladhaut > Baliana near Rohtak > Dhulehda near Bahadurgarh > Ghodi near Palwal and from their to some villages near Samli in UP

OR may be from one of small villages near Panipat that have links to a very big Village Gangauli between Panipat and Jind

It is fact that representative from more than 90 villages have met in the past on a number of occasions.

Hey Vijay, if I am not mistaken, manay villages or may be majority of villages of Godara Gotra near in Haryana are Bisnoi. I may be wrong


Cheers!

[vijay]

Hey Vijay, if I am not mistaken, manay villages or may be majority of villages of Godara Gotra are Bisnoi. I may be wrong

Cheers!

Deshwal Sir,

20% are bishnoi's ( mostly in Jodhpur and Ganga Nagar ) but rest are jats all over.

[vijay]

Hey Jit,

There are more than 20 villages of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra in UP. I can give the name of the villages but wait a week or two and I can provide you the list.

It is believed that origin of Deswal/ Deshwal Gotra is Village Ladhaut, Disst. Rohtak which is coincidently happened to be my village.

Most likely migration route to UP is:Ladhaut > Baliana near Rohtak > Dhulehda near Bahadurgarh > Ghodi near Palwal and from their to some villages near Samli in UP

OR may be from one of small villages near Panipat that have links to a very big Village Gangauli between Panipat and Jind

It is fact that representative from more than 90 villages have met in the past on a number of occasions.




Well,

I don't think you have to reply someone who even don't have a first hand knowledge about the subject but just want to neutralize someone's post using some alphabets without any knowledge.

I know that there are more than 30 villeges of Deshwal/Deswal in Western UP.

[arunshamli]

[B][COLOR=red]Well, let me know that where real Jatland is ?

I didn't get you Vijay.

[vijay]

I didn't get you Vijay.

Here, most of the people says that Inner Haryana ( Rohtak area ) is the real Jatland........... ironically......... which doesn't contain even 5% of Jat population of India.

[cooljat]

Pranam Bhaisaab,


Thanx a lot for useful Information! :)



PS: I'm not in to History nor I claim to be one self-acclaimed Historian either!:rolleyes:


Rock on
Jit

Hey Jit,

There are more than 20 villages of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra in UP. I can give the name of the villages but wait a week or two and I can provide you the list.

It is believed that origin of Deswal/ Deshwal Gotra is Village Ladhaut, Disst. Rohtak which is coincidently happened to be my village.

Most likely migration route to UP is:Ladhaut > Baliana near Rohtak > Dhulehda near Bahadurgarh > Ghodi near Palwal and from their to some villages near Samli in UP

OR may be from one of small villages near Panipat that have links to a very big Village Gangauli between Panipat and Jind

It is fact that representative from more than 90 villages have met in the past on a number of occasions.

Hey Vijay, if I am not mistaken, manay villages or may be majority of villages of Godara Gotra near in Haryana are Bisnoi. I may be wrong


Cheers!

[lrburdak]

Hi Satepal Deshwalji,


Good info about Deshwal Gotra. Will you add this to article on Jatland Wiki?

As regards the views of other members, We here are interacting with various jats here and searching the history of various clans. It is not going to harm any body. It is a science. Take it that way. History of a clan is important and every member should know its true history. Jatland proves to be good platform.

Regards,

Hey Jit,

There are more than 20 villages of Deshwal/ Deswal Gotra in UP. I can give the name of the villages but wait a week or two and I can provide you the list.

It is believed that origin of Deswal/ Deshwal Gotra is Village Ladhaut, Disst. Rohtak which is coincidently happened to be my village.

Most likely migration route to UP is:Ladhaut > Baliana near Rohtak > Dhulehda near Bahadurgarh > Ghodi near Palwal and from their to some villages near Samli in UP

OR may be from one of small villages near Panipat that have links to a very big Village Gangauli between Panipat and Jind

It is fact that representative from more than 90 villages have met in the past on a number of occasions.

Hey Vijay, if I am not mistaken, manay villages or may be majority of villages of Godara Gotra near in Haryana are Bisnoi. I may be wrong


Cheers!

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[bhamboo]

in rajasthan..i think....punia gotra is biggest......i heard frm ma grandma...."Jis ghar mein punia, uske chhore yaa chhori ki shadi honi muskil se"...

at least its biggest in the shekhawati area of rajasthan...

[anrtish]

good post really. aanne un nakli jattann ne bhi bata de jo aadde phaltu ke jatt banne phiren ssen. jo got/gatt kuchh na janntte pher bhi jatland ke forum pe ghuss ke nakli salah jattan nne ddenn lagg rhyee. ukk hum ne rsrvn koni chahiye per khud ye resrvnst yahan sub nne moorkh banann lagg rhye. ekk tte nu bole sse aadde nne ukk manne gatt/gatt ka koi bera koni tte phir bhai tu kke apne gott men byah kar lega kke?

o majhi re apna kinara nadiya ki dhara hai....:)

[ygulia]

Do you guys think that even if we are able to find out which Gotra is the largest then it is going to serve any purpose. I think it is just wastage of time to discuss such topics. Please do some constructive work.
Thanks.
Yoginder Gulia

[narenderkharb]

Do you guys think that even if we are able to find out which Gotra is the largest then it is going to serve any purpose. I think it is just wastage of time to discuss such topics. Please do some constructive work.
Thanks.
Yoginder Gulia

Gulia Bhai

Aap to apna time save kar lete or sayad kuch constructive kam kar lete itani der mein.

Sorry community ka kitana nukasan ho gaya .:confused:

[hoodarajesh]

bhai iss baat ka tae berra nahi appar ... dahiya, dabas arrr hooda ka bhaichara tou aaj bhi hai ... waise abb byah hovan laag gaey appas mei .. apar pehelam na hoya kartey

bhai sahab dahiya or hooda ka bhaichara kabhi nahi raha dono khapon
ki hamesha se ristedari chali aa rahi h

[snandal1]

I am not sure Vijay, but the figure of 1500 villages looks an exaggeration. Maybe the figure is correct but the population of those villages may be thin.

Unlike Dahiya gotra which is concentrated within a big khap in Sonepat district, Deswals are one of the widespread ones - some villages each in Jind, Panipat, Jhajjar and Rohtak in Haryana and in Bulandshahr/ Meerut/ Muzaffarnagar districts of UP and some villages in distt. Bharatpur (Rajasthan). Still, I do not think it is 'biggest' in number. As I wrote above, Maliks are more widespread and one of the biggest. Deswals also have a tradition of maintaining "Bhaichara" with Dalal, Suhag and Maan gotras.
.

dswl ar no lesser. while killing cyurus the great there is confusion in history whether they r dswl or dbs.


but i feel that they r same

[harra]

bhai jyada na mache. history is always written of kings and whats a better way to denigrate brave people like rajputs and jats than to spread rumours about their princess marrying akbar . as far as truth stands even ashutosh gowrikar had accepted that he didn't find substantial proof of jodha marrying akbar. jat bhaiyon for a minute think if mughals were really that powerful of marrrying princesses what would they made of poor peasants womenfolk .


raja Man singh erstwhile ruler of jaipur married 36 afghan prioncesses why is n't there a film about that historical fact.

what would you say of jat rulers who take pride in telling the world that their daughters are married into rajput royalty.

[vijay]

raja Man singh erstwhile ruler of jaipur married 36 afghan prioncesses why is n't there a film about that historical fact.


Raja Maan Singh never had any Afgaan princess as his wife :)

[tomersat]

bhayio ram ram
jyada to pata nahi par UP mein to Tomer aur Baliyan hi sabse jyada hain

[baliyanvijay]

vijay kumar jii plzz make me clear about ur gotra.....
Baliyan and Valiyan are the same one or else differ.
Coz i b'long to Valiyan Gotra, n unfotunately cudn't find this gotra in JL wiki.

dear devender jii, i also never listen valiyan though i am baliyan not valiyan

[ajayrohtak]

Here, most of the people says that Inner Haryana ( Rohtak area ) is the real Jatland........... ironically......... which doesn't contain even 5% of Jat population of India.
its not the density of the population..its the power with the people in that area which matters most...and the jats of rohtak have something special.......try your best but still you cant change this reality that ROHTAK is the heart of jatland........

[ssgoyat]

ooops

google is showing 97,800 search results for goyats....

Burduk uncle....i've still no clue over goyats out of india...mostly in france..

can u help me out??

[vijendra82]

don't i think its confirm poonia is the biggest gotra of jat

[Sidhujat]

SIDHU 's of course, by territory/area under control historically and sheer volume of villages..number of "Now Haryana" principalitites..such including Kaithal, Jind..In Punjab..Patiala, Nabha, Bathinda, sangrur ..all were SIDHU JAT states... Please reffer to the link below for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhu

That being said...Jat is a Jat is a Jat :) brrrrruuuuhha

[vivekgathwala]

bhaiyooo mere khyal te teh malik hi se

[tomar302]

west UP have mojority tomar gotra JAT population...dont have much knowledge abt other states.