Origin of Jat's

[jat222in]

Hello, Ram-Ram, Namaskaar.
Can any body help me to tell how and when JATS came in to picture.

[lrburdak]

Hi Narwalji,

See on Jatland Wiki at URL

http://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_the_Jats

Regards,

[plsehrawat]

tien-shen mountains. some say even tibet, highest plateau in world. dayananda supports tibetan theory. but all those mountains still in one or other way are connected to jats or their gots/jats:)

[narenderkharb]

Hi Narwalji,

See on Jatland Wiki at URL

http://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_the_Jats

Regards,

Laxman ji ,

Out of all these theories ,Which theory as per you is the correct theory of origin and why ???

[narenderkharb]

tien-shen mountains. some say even tibet, highest plateau in world. dayananda supports tibetan theory. but all those mountains still in one or other way are connected to jats or their gots/jats:)

Is it Tien-Shen or Tibet and Why ??

[lrburdak]

Narenderji,

I had read a book - The Aryan Invasion that never was. The book gives very solid evidences about this theory. If that is correct, It solves all problems. Mahabharata mentions about Jats and Jat clans. Jats were the original inhabitants of Aryavrat. Scythian is no separate ethnic group. In that case all theories converge.

Regards,

[narenderkharb]

Narenderji,

I had read a book - The Aryan Invasion that never was. The book gives very solid evidences about this theory. If that is correct, It solves all problems. Mahabharata mentions about Jats and Jat clans. Jats were the original inhabitants of Aryavrat. Scythian is no separate ethnic group. In that case all theories converge.

Regards,

Yes there was no Aryan invasion of the type as depicted by Thapar group but this is fact that Aryans religion was not Indian.

Both terms Scythian and Jat are older to Aryan religion as far as Indian main land is considered .

We must have a discussion on this so that our younger generations are not confused about our origin.

[snandal1]

Yes there was no Aryan invasion of the type as depicted by Thapar group but this is fact that Aryans religion was not Indian.

Both terms Scythian and Jat are older to Aryan religion as far as Indian main land is considered .

We must have a discussion on this so that our younger generations are not confused about our origin.


while purushkanda in old dacian/dahian empire is true, but we can not forget our brothers who are keeping the same spirit here as those of original jats. turbulent politics of central asia absorbed them. but here all perrenial rivers from indus to ganges made them sustain their most ancient traditions, like lohia jirga....means panchayat, means majority of public opinion, means democracy...

even bush was surprised how democracy survives in india better than in america...:)

i dnt know why jat fights among themselves...my heart weeps... a person who created the most powerful group world over is ruining himself...by intrinsic fights...

[vijay]

We must have a discussion on this so that our younger generations are not confused about our origin.

Respected Burdak Ji and Narender Bhai..... you people are doing great job for the community ........ i can imagine how tedious is the work to distingusih what is related to us and what is not when we are reading a script more than thousand of pages out of more than thousand of scripts.

I hope that you people are the best who can prove that what we are is marginally less/ahead than what we were in past.

[prashantacmet]

Laxman ji ,

Out of all these theories ,Which theory as per you is the correct theory of origin and why ???

we are scythians, fiercest fighters of the world, more barbaric and less civilized, quite stubborn, migrated from scythia and later on merged with aryans

[prashantacmet]

Yes there was no Aryan invasion of the type as depicted by Thapar group but this is fact that Aryans religion was not Indian.

Both terms Scythian and Jat are older to Aryan religion as far as Indian main land is considered .

We must have a discussion on this so that our younger generations are not confused about our origin.

Kharab ji would be please give a one-liner about our origin as per your view?

[snandal1]

Jat Ram Sargon-1 was called in one european city named as purushkahnda. its similar to purushpur, peshawar..the land of pashtoons/pakhtoons..the merchants over there called him to conquere that land ...after little hesitation he agreed and conquered that purushkhanda in about 3000 BC. Similar is there where brahmans from mathura came to Rama to conquere mathura and after little hesitation Rama dispatched his armies under the command of shatrughana, to conquere mathura...

Kharb ji, has given a wonderful research that first to invade India was Lord Siva, as a leader of Jats from Tien Shan mountains. These mountain parts till today bear the names of Jat/gots. Invasion was about 10000 years back, before 7700 BC. Its much earlier than even origin of Indus valley civilisation.

[amiteshv]

Hi Narwalji,

See on Jatland Wiki at URL

http://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_the_Jats

Regards,



Greek historians knew only two Gods in India one was Krishna from Mutra who was introduced to them by porus and the greeks called him Hercules.
Another was Lord Shiva whom they called Deonyses popularly known as Lord Shiva while seeing the bravery of poras, the phor Jats and the Nandals(nandas), themor still ahead on his head the Greek Allexander, the too young at that time better diceded to go back.
Assi te vadde vadde allexandera nnu back to the pavilion kitta :)

[anrtish]

greek historians mention one god like lord siva who made these people from pastoral to husbands man. means from nomadic to agriculturists. since then jat sticked to his land. he married his land. n till today married to his land only. many govts came n went like british, moghul, rajputs, bania....etc.

but jat still is deeply attached to his lands... only...the most fertile one all over world....


he watched the progress of his land with a sword girdled round his waist... n pay no more revenue than could be extracted from by any means....ziddi jatt....never knowing what was in store for them after defeat...:):)

[narenderkharb]

Respected Burdak Ji and Narender Bhai..... you people are doing great job for the community ........ i can imagine how tedious is the work to distingusih what is related to us and what is not when we are reading a script more than thousand of pages out of more than thousand of scripts.

I hope that you people are the best who can prove that what we are is marginally less/ahead than what we were in past.

Thanks Vijay

More important is the participation of Young Jats who are sincere unbiased open in their approach regarding tracing our roots .I hope you can make a group and carry forward this process .

[narenderkharb]

we are scythians, fiercest fighters of the world, and later on merged with aryans

Yes we are.

[narenderkharb]

Arya is not a racial term. Iranian called them Aryans ,Vedic brahmans were Aryans Jats called themselves Aryans at some times ,Medes called them Aryans who were not Jats ,so term is used more in terms of a noble sense than a racial one .

So describing a race of Jats in terms of a general term Aryans is wrong in very first place .

And Yes many scholars believe that original Aryans themselves were Scythian .

[snandal1]

Kharabji is very right but I'd give my opinion here. Vedic Brahmans were in fact originated from Jats only. Initially Brahm(an) goth of Jats, which is still found in european countries also, is listed in rigveda as one of the 16 royal Jats only. Even till today in south India on the avg Brahmins are fair color as compared to others. Like Rajputs recently originated from Jats similarly Brahmins originated from Jats bit earlier. After Chambal and ganges in India Brahmins virtually dominated the whole country till today in all respects, power, knowledge, money, land etc. ....


They were a fraction of Jats who used to collect information about fertile lands in the form of forests and then burn them to make the land for agriculture by performing mahayagnas.


with the spreading of agriculture, obviously by Jats, in Indian sub continent numerous castes/Jats came into existence whether brahman, rajput, bhumihar, bania, kayastha....etc. But even today when some body asks them ki teri Jat kya hai only then they reply ki me Kayastha Jat se hun, bhumihar jat hun...etc. etc.. Its similar to saying in haryana ki me narwal jat se hun...me kharb jat hun...etc. So the obvious conclusion goes - its originally Jat that spread from north west india to whole India. hence the name of places, the clans of various other castes/jats, their dialects their way of living Jat/Gotra/got system are still resembling Jats-their original ancestors.