Jats making history by good deeds

[ranjitjat]

Jats making History by good deeds and writing history only in spare time

I have good 3 months working holiday in India and have good time.
I have attended 7 weddings ceremony
in Narela Delhi- Dharuhera.
As whole Haryana to Kharu near Rajgarh Churu Rajasthan.

I have attended Jat History conference
at Jaipur in March,presented history books
to CH.Ramnarayan Dudi and
CH.Degamber Singh both minister in Rajasthan.
I visited Kurukchetra seen Dharohar museum.
History books were presented
to Ex-VCDR Bhim Singh Dahiya and Anup Lathar
. I was honoured by Jat Aryan Sabha
at Bhadurgarh in CH.Chhoturam Jat Dharamsala on 6April.
TheTurban was presented by 98 years old CH.Udey Singh Maan.

I visited Gurukul Jhajjar, Rohtak, Sonipat,Delhi,
Gurgaon , Dharuhera,Rewari, Dadri- Bhiwani
and over 100 villages in 4 states.
I visited CH.SukhRam memorial school at Kalirawan Hisar,
welcomed by Shri RamSarup and mrs santosh arya,
History books were presented to school and staff.
As a whole this was good public relation exercise.
I enjoyed every part of it.
I have spoken to Laxman Burdak ji, Navin Gulia
and many friends on phone.
I met Narender Kharub, Dr Tewatia, Rohnit phor
and other history lover friends.

It is my pleasure to work with such a nice team of jatlanders.

[spdeshwal]

Dudi saheb Namskar and welcome back on Jatland!
Nice account of a well spent holiday!

Looking forward to see you often!

[anilsangwan]

Duddee uncle ji, Namaskaar!!!

Great to see your post about your meetings with jatlanders...

Lekin aap nyu batao...Atela,Jhojhu er Ghasola ne kyukar bhool gaye... hamein bhi maukka mill jaata aap ke darshan karney ka agar pata lagta toh :(

Next time pakka?

Cheers,
Anil

Jats making History by good deeds and writing history only in spare time

I have good 3 months working holiday in India and have good time.
I have attended 7 weddings ceremony
in Narela Delhi- Dharuhera.
As whole Haryana to Kharu near Rajgarh Churu Rajasthan.

I have attended Jat History conference
at Jaipur in March,presented history books
to CH.Ramnarayan Dudi and
CH.Degamber Singh both minister in Rajasthan.
I visited Kurukchetra seen Dharohar museum.
History books were presented
to Ex-VCDR Bhim Singh Dahiya and Anup Lathar
. I was honoured by Jat Aryan Sabha
at Bhadurgarh in CH.Chhoturam Jat Dharamsala on 6April.
TheTurban was presented by 98 years old CH.Udey Singh Maan.

I visited Gurukul Jhajjar, Rohtak, Sonipat,Delhi,
Gurgaon , Dharuhera,Rewari, Dadri- Bhiwani
and over 100 villages in 4 states.
I visited CH.SukhRam memorial school at Kalirawan Hisar,
welcomed by Shri RamSarup and mrs santosh arya,
History books were presented to school and staff.
As a whole this was good public relation exercise.
I enjoyed every part of it.
I have spoken to Laxman Burdak ji, Navin Gulia
and many friends on phone.
I met Narender Kharub, Dr Tewatia, Rohnit phor
and other history lover friends.

It is my pleasure to work with such a nice team of jatlanders.

[ranjitjat]

Deswal Sahib Namaskar

Yah duniya ak darsan mela hae
Duniya mae milan julana hi hae

Delhi NCR , Rohtak, huda sectors aur
Ladhot ky bhi kae chakar lagaye.
RTD Headmaster Hoshier Singh Deswal
Baliyana bhi kae bari mila.
Uska Bhai Narela mae mila.
Azad singh Deswal Desur Kheri
Bhadurgarh mae Jat Sabha ka
Manch salchalan kar raha tha.
uska father mere pas aakar
kahane laga-yah mera beta hae.
yah suun kar har jat ki chhati
chodi ho jati hae aur Dudi Jat ki bhi.

[ranjitjat]

dear Anil Namaskar
Shadi ka nimantran nahi diya
isliye ham Jhojhu ka jikar nahi karte
nahi jhojhu jate aur Anil sy bat karty.

Baki 100 Gaon mae Atela-Jhojhu- Rambas
Mandola-Mandoli-Mori-Makrani-Makrana
Gothda-Chirya dhudwa-Kheri- Charkhi
Dadri-Bharvi-Ramnagar-Kapuri-Kalyana
Dhani-Tikan-Rawaldhi-Samaspur-Fategarh
Birhi -Chhpar Rasiwas-Dhoki-Dohka-Kaluwal
Dudiwala-Jhadli-Patuwas Mahrana bhi aate han.
Ghasola sy shadi ky cards dekar aaya tha.
Dadri Utsav mae lath-Jailly gad di thi
3 bhtijo ki shadi mae 1000 barati-mahman thy

[anilsangwan]

Uncle ji, didnt know that you were in India that time. Got to know this by your post today only.

[jitendershooda]

dear Anil Namaskar
Shadi ka nimantran nahi diya
isliye ham Jhojhu ka jikar nahi karte
nahi jhojhu jate aur Anil sy bat karty.



ha ha ha ... Dharampal ji, thya gya aapke yo .... aan bhai Anil ulhane ka kaam kar rahya hai tun ... Chaa isi ee cheej ho hai ... yaare pyaran ne bhool gya byah ke chaaa mein .... :)

[dndeswal]

I visited Gurukul Jhajjar, Rohtak, Sonipat,Delhi,
Gurgaon , Dharuhera,Rewari, Dadri- Bhiwani
and over 100 villages in 4 states.
I visited CH.SukhRam memorial school at Kalirawan Hisar,
welcomed by Shri RamSarup and mrs santosh arya,
History books were presented to school and staff.
As a whole this was good public relation exercise.
I enjoyed every part of it.
I have spoken to Laxman Burdak ji, Navin Gulia
and many friends on phone.
I met Narender Kharub, Dr Tewatia, Rohnit phor
and other history lover friends.

It is my pleasure to work with such a nice team of jatlanders.


Glad to see this post of yours, Dudi ji. Your efforts are commendable. I also visited Gurukul Jhajjar in early March and some photos of that place snapped by me are now available on "Jhajjar" page of Wiki section. Unfortunately, this institution is not in so good shape now-a-days, mainly because of lack of funds and administrative shortcomings and mismanagement. Museum there is in a pitiable condition and some items seem to have been stolen over time. Printing of books on literature and history is almost standstill. I bought the book Veerbhoomi Haryana (http://www.jatland.com/home/Veerbhoomi_Haryana) by Swami Omanand, devoted some time in digitilising it and have put it on Wiki Section. There is need to print the second edition of this book and popularising it.

We need to make more concerted efforts to promote Jat history. Gifting a few history books to a select group of people will not make much impact. In one thread (on topic "Veerbhoomi Haryana) in this very section, Ravi ji has highlighted the need for digitilisation of more history books and uploading, for the benefit of all. It would be great if you get some books digitilised and uploaded.

Please keep on informing about your future ventures.
.

[spdeshwal]

डूडी जी , जरूर लगाये होंगे आपने लाड़ोत के चकर,
इस लिए आपकी पोस्ट से मेरे गाओं की खुशबू आ रही थी
वैसे आप एक बार सवरन दहिया के साथ मेरे छोटे भाई राजबीर से रोहतक उनके घर पर मिल चुके हैं
सारी दुनुया के चकर लगाते हो, कभी मेलबर्न भी आ जाओ

एक बात और बता दूँ , जब भी भी आप या दयानंद भाई गुरुकुल झझर या स्वामी ओमानंद जी का जीकर करते हैं , आप लोगो से मेरा एक अलग तरह का सम्बन्ध स्थापित हो जाता है / स्योंग से मेरे सबसे बड़े भाई साहेब का नाम भी धर्मपाल है और उन्होंने गुरुकुल झझर से ६-७ साल तक शिक्षा ग्रहण की थी / स्वामी जी साल में एक बार तो हमारे घर को आकर पवित्र जरुर करते थे
मेरा सोभाग्या े ही था जो बचपन में ऐसे महापुरुष के साथ समय बिताने का अवसर मिला / उनके साथ २-३ बार अनाज आदि इकाठा भी करवाया था , मेरे दादाजी स्वामी जी के अनन्य बह्ग्तो/ सहयोगियों में से थे/

भावनावश ये सभ लिख दिया , पर अच्छा लगा

[ranjitjat]

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14994&highlight=dudee+posts

ONE DAY IN SEARCH OF JAT HISTORY



One fine day in Febuary 2005.I with my wife Rajwanti and my brother
started from Bhiwani early morning. We visited Shaheed Rajbir Singh
Sheoran petrol pump near Bamla village close to old historical site of
Aurangabad. Passes IIT college. Kalanaur Gurukul and college.
Kalanaur is birth place of Jamadar Abdul Hafij VC Jat Regiment second
world war. We also passed new cricket stadium near Lahli.

We visited Subedar Randhir Singh Vir chakra service station near old
Historical site Khokara Kot in Rohtak.
After going through Historical city Rohtak and Asthal Bohar . We
visited Ch Chhotu Ram memorial & museum at Garhi Sapla village and
took some photograph of the statue and museum. One guard tried to stop
us, no photo no camera. We told him how can you stop a jat to take
photo of a Great leader in home village of Ch Chhoturam and jat
homelald.There was a big drama in Haryanvi.

We met Rampal ji at Jakoda mod and proceed to see Nihal singh Arya our
hero of the story in Desor Kheri village. He is nice person ,told us
story of his exp and how 5 students got their Phd from his help. He
presented me with a copy of his book. Sarvkhap ka Parachin Itihash.
We visited Kargil martyr Lilaram Memorial in Khunghai village.
All of sudden we came face to face with Fauji poet Jat Mehar singh
Memorial at Barona village and paid our tribute.
We visited Bhim Singh Dahiya family at sonipat. we presented our
books, paid our tribute and bought all books written by him.
We visited Harsana, Sisana the village of Col Hoshiar Singh PVC.
We passed through Bhalot , village of Ch Lalchand ex-PM of Bharatpur
state.
We came to Rohtak to visit Capt Dalip Singh family for short time and
made further appointment for another visit.
We droped Rampal ji at Sidhanti Bhawan - Dayanand Math Rohtak and
reached Bhiwani at 10 PM.
more next time
Dharmpal

Dear Dayanand Deswal Ji
I fully agree with you. Aapne to mere Dil ki bat kah di.
Whatever efforts you, Laxman BurdakJi,Ravi ji and others doing on net Jatlandwiki and yahoo jathistory group is commandable. But we need more printed history books and Ebooks.Our masses are not connected to internet. We need collective positive efforts and team work. I visited Gurukul Jhajjar few time in the past. I requested to them to publish Swami Omanand ji left over material or give it to me so that we can finish his dream work. nothing done so far. They published some of swami is old letters in saravhitkari that include his visit to UK-USA and World tour. We can collect them and publish in a book as a tribute to swami ji.
Some friends asked me in the past to collect unpublished material from jat historiansand promise to sponser this venture. I visited them and got permission to reprint their books and put on internet as a E-books. We asked some to reprint,translate, put on CD as a E-book.Now so far no fund coming through this is the main problem.
Jat ki karni aur kathni mae farak aagaya hae.
Jhajjar Gurukul aur museum ko fund nahi mil raha
Jabki CM aur MP Local han.
7 generations sy Aryasamaji hone ka dham bharte han
Bat to yahan tak ho rahi han ki Gurukul jhajjar museum
ko KU Darohar museum ko transfer kardo.

[sumitsehrawat]

Deswal Sir is absolutely right. Jhajjar Gurukul has deteriorated to quite a significant extent ever since Omanandaji passed away. I had been there in January and could feel it. Even my grandfather was very disappointed. There had been a mismanagement of funds in the Accounts and Finance department and the concerned person had resigned. We even visited his place to inquire about the proceedings. He himself was very unhappy with the treatment he got from Gurukul primes. According to him he had been made a scapegoat. I cannot really comment who was right and who was wrong but off-late there have been quite substantial ego-clashes in Jhajjar gurukul.

From my personal experience I was not happy to see the library condition and had a sneaky feeling it was opened after many months. Also five of the seven Chamanprash dabbas I had brought from there turned out to be spoilt when opened back home. This happened to me for the first time in about 6-7 years. Couldn't visit again the museum as someone had lost its keys.

I am too eagerly waiting for the e-Books. My special thanks to Deswal sir for putting Omanandaji's work here on Jatland.

Thanks,
Sumit

Glad to see this post of yours, Dudi ji. Your efforts are commendable. I also visited Gurukul Jhajjar in early March and some photos of that place snapped by me are now available on "Jhajjar" page of Wiki section. Unfortunately, this institution is not in so good shape now-a-days, mainly because of lack of funds and administrative shortcomings and mismanagement. Museum there is in a pitiable condition and some items seem to have been stolen over time. Printing of books on literature and history is almost standstill. I bought the book Veerbhoomi Haryana (http://www.jatland.com/home/Veerbhoomi_Haryana) by Swami Omanand, devoted some time in digitilising it and have put it on Wiki Section. There is need to print the second edition of this book and popularising it.

We need to make more concerted efforts to promote Jat history. Gifting a few history books to a select group of people will not make much impact. In one thread (on topic "Veerbhoomi Haryana) in this very section, Ravi ji has highlighted the need for digitilisation of more history books and uploading, for the benefit of all. It would be great if you get some books digitilised and uploaded.

Please keep on informing about your future ventures.
.

[snandal1]

but He (dudee) is really a dedicated great jat.

[ranjitjat]

SateyPal Deswal ji
Thank you for invitation.
I will come with Baljit Hareta. He knows the way.

Gurukul Jhajjar ki durdasa sy sabhi dukhi han.
parntu uska samadhan koe nahi bata raha.
Sabhi Bhai swami ji ky sath apne anubhavo
ko agar kagaj per likh kar mere pas bhejde to
ak bahut acha granth-book-Karam yogi ki
yad mae likhi ja sakti hae. Swami ji ky
letters bhi book mae add kar sakte han.
so all of you please start collecting Swami ji letters
and the memory of time spend with Swami ji
I have already collected few letters.
This will be real tribute to Swami Ji

[ranjitjat]

but He (dudee) is really a dedicated great jat.
sorav Nandal Bhai
thank you for having such a faith in me.
Every body can not be a writer or historian.
but any body can write on internet with effort.
History likhna sabhi ky bas ki bat nahi hoti hae
talent ko parkhna bhi sabh ky bas ki bat nahi hoti
kisi ky partibha ki kadar karna- public mae kahna
apne app mae mahan insan ki pahchan hae
Apane progress-Kaum ki unati progress hoti hae

[snandal1]

va arya samaj ke dus niyam padhya karte, ukk sub ko apni unnati me hi khush nahin rhana chahiye balki sub ki unnatti me apni unnati samajhani chahiye. u r perfect example in this sense.

[snandal1]

May He shower His choicest blessings upon U!!!!!!!!

[spdeshwal]

Dudi ji,

Thank you for accepting the invitation to visit Melbourne! Baljit bhai and his wife visited us in Auckland and had some plans to visit Melbourne/ Australia last/ this year. We would be honoured to have you all in Melbourne.

I will try to gather what ever information i can about Swami Omanandji.

Did you visit Gurukul Ladhaut and meet Acharya Haridutt?
He is from my village. His father Late Sh. Hari Singh was a great Supporter of Swami ji and his contribution of grains towards Gurukul would be always highest in My village. His Elder brother( acharya Haridutt's) is presently the President of Deshwal Khap

Acharya Haridutt , Acharya Vijaypal and my brother Dharampal were at Gurukul Jhajhar around same time.Swami Indervesh was also in Gurukul Jhajhar around that time.

I will be in touch!

[vipinrathee]

Namaskar Dudee uncle
gud to hear that u did reiki of haryana and rajasthan..
aap kalanaur gurukul bhi gaye the...well im from village basana dist rohtak...my dad spent his childhood in kalanaur....m ecstatic to hear that u visited almost all gaon gohand....hehehhe...aap fir kab aarahe hain iss taraf....next time aapse zarur milenge..even i tell my father to meet u..Dad is having gud knowledge of jats,gaon gohand..mujhe itna pata nahi hai..i m really curious to know abt our culture thats why i joined www.jatland.com (http://www.jatland.com)

i feel proud that i m JAT (Just adore them)

regards
vipin rathee :)

[ranjitjat]

Dudi ji,

Thank you for accepting the invitation to visit Melbourne! Baljit bhai and his wife visited us in Auckland and had some plans to visit Melbourne/ Australia last/ this year. We would be honoured to have you all in Melbourne.

I will try to gather what ever information i can about Swami Omanandji.

Did you visit Gurukul Ladhaut and meet Acharya Haridutt?
He is from my village. His father Late Sh. Hari Singh was a great Supporter of Swami ji and his contribution of grains towards Gurukul would be always highest in My village. His Elder brother( acharya Haridutt's) is presently the President of Deshwal Khap

Acharya Haridutt , Acharya Vijaypal and my brother Dharampal were at Gurukul Jhajhar around same time.Swami Indervesh was also in Gurukul Jhajhar around that time.

I will be in touch!

Sateypal Deswal Ji
thank you for good information and invitation.
Baljit Harita told me about the visit.
I met achrya Vijaypal in Gurukul Jhajjar on 6 April.

Saravhitkari newspaper printing old letters of swami Omanand ji in 2007-08 issues. He given me copies of the newspaper containing Swami ji letters during his stay in my house London 1980. I am so happy to get them. You or any one can collect the rest.
Swami Indervesh ji also stayed in London with me.

POSITIVE SIDE OF JATS
If you are just kind, respect and help others.
They will return the good deeds with interest.

I offered every year books to Rampal Sashtri
Gurukul
Gautamnagar New Delhi
for publicity-Parchar. He tour around the world.
He presented me History of Jats and Gujjars book this year.

DR. Ghasiram Verma phoned me from USA and presented 5 books.

I presented Vedvarat sashtri-Achriya printing press my 3 books
. He presented me- Pandit Bastiram Bhajan Granth mala.

I send rs 100 cheque to Jat kalyan parisad Gawalier for a history book. CH.Rambir Singh phoned me to invite Rana Bhim Singh Mela on 14 April.
I could not make it this year. He return my Cheque- send the book as a present and invited me for next year.

Jat bandhu Agra covered my visit to SukhRam Public school Kalirawan Hisar.

Hari Bhumi and others write in Indian press media few time this year.
with head lines.
London mae rahne per bhi bhule nahi apni mati ko.
Desh aur pardesh ky sath Kaum ko bhi samarpit
England mae Rahkar Haryana ki mahak fala rahe han
Dharmpal Dudee.
Inhone thana-Duniya mae chamke Haryana
and few more head lines you will find in the media.

AJA CHICAGO and New Jersey both inviting me in July.

AJA North Carolina inviting me for 15 August.

So I got full house in between I will try to see you.

[amiteshv]

but then i wanna dude, the grand old man to decifer sm truths abt jats. a community that sustained itself, inspite of the most tyrant odds, throughout, about 10,000 yrs old, n still cntrlng the most frtl land upon earth.

to the best of my knowledge, jat sustained no religion but jats only..

[amiteshv]

all those lake meotis of herodotus, are nothing but mewati jats, all that khandav/nag prasth kil kanya whom married Arjuna, while making this khandav prasth fertile was a mewati girl. in fact mewatis were so attached that even against akbar in haldi ghati more than hindus, with rana pratap mewatis were there. out of 3000 forces more than 1500 were muslims led by hassan khan mewati...

[amiteshv]

once upon a time caspian sea was named as sea of gillan, khazar, banae, n even lake meotis, mentions herodotus n greek historians...there.. then.. meotis captured many lakes to eat fish here like badkhal/surajkund etc. the story was similar to nahjheel of nauhwar jats...

[ranjitjat]

Namaskar Dudee uncle
gud to hear that u did reiki of haryana and rajasthan..
aap kalanaur gurukul bhi gaye the...well im from village basana dist rohtak...my dad spent his childhood in kalanaur....m ecstatic to hear that u visited almost all gaon gohand....hehehhe...aap fir kab aarahe hain iss taraf....next time aapse zarur milenge..even i tell my father to meet u..Dad is having gud knowledge of jats,gaon gohand..mujhe itna pata nahi hai..i m really curious to know abt our culture thats why i joined www.jatland.com (http://www.jatland.com)

i feel proud that i m JAT (Just adore them)

regards
vipin rathee :)

Dear Vipin Namaskar.
I will back to India in new year.
Bhiwani sy Bhimadi tak khub reikhi kari
Sonipat-Murthal-Kundli ky chakar lagae.

NRI investment ka bhi kuchh jugad dekha
SEZ ky farmers Kisano ka bura Hal dekha
Sankhol mae Naya Rural Haat Bazar Dekha

Swami Omanand ka Gaon Janambhumi
Aur Kanya Gurukul Narela 2 do var dekha

Dahiya khap ki shadi ka naya farman dekha
Sisana ki Gaushala ka shadi mae hisab dekha
Dahiya badhshah duniya mae kahi shadi karo
Sisana Gaushala ka Vidya per Neg lete dekha

[amiteshv]

jib jat kisi ne pagdi bandhe sse, tte puri zimmendari rakhe sse, us ke sir pe, aap nne sir ek leak tte hut kke ekk kamm karna sse, mme jjannu ssun uk aap nne jatt history ka bhatera berra sse. but still lies in the heart of indo european languages...plz count it population/geography wise..n indo-eurpean is still the most dominant people over the world till today...for the last 10000 yrs...n ..it all started with jats...

[ranjitjat]

jib jat kisi ne pagdi bandhe sse, tte puri zimmendari rakhe sse, us ke sir pe, aap nne sir ek leak tte hut kke ekk kamm karna sse, mme jjannu ssun uk aap nne jatt history ka bhatera berra sse. but still lies in the heart of indo european languages...plz count it population/geography wise..n indo-eurpean is still the most dominant people over the world till today...for the last 10000 yrs...n ..it all started with jats...
Amit verma Sahib
I fully agree with you.
I am coming to USA soon.pher bat karengy
Per Kam ky karna sae- Jumewari ka-nuu to batady

[raka]

Amit verma Sahib
I fully agree with you.
I am coming to USA soon.pher bat karengy
Per Kam ky karna sae- Jumewari ka-nuu to batady
resp.Dudy uncle,jumewari ka kaam to bhaut sain . itihaas ke elawa hame aage aane wali piddi ke liye kuch karna chahiye, jaise ' jat ko reservation' ke baare me . jatto ka loggo ne batwara kar diya delhi,rajasthan me reservation haryana ,punjab ,j&k ,himachal etc me nahi aur to aur rajasthan me bi batwara baratpur ke jatto ko reservation nahi .sir appka reservation ke baare me kya khyal hain, sir history par books likhna anchi baat hai hamari nayi piddi ko apne purwajo ki gathao ka pata chalta hain, par sir annewali piddi ke baare me bi sochiye , innke liye bi kuch kijiye.humme centre me reservation chhahiye iske liye jabtak aap jaise bade bujarg , educated jat aage nahi aaenge to hum kamyab kaise honge.gaon me jatto ka bura haal hain, politician [hamare hi log]inka shoshan kar rahe hain.naukriyo me quota ho gaya jammin rhai nahi kaha jaainge ye log.so sir plz do something for our poor coomunity.

[ranjitjat]

Dear Rakesh
Nice thought.
Ham Phone per Baat kar chuke han.
Aap ke vichar bahut naek han.
Keep it up.
It was pleasure to talk to you on phone on this subject.
I met your father Com. Hawa Singh Sangwan,
Col Harpat Singh and others in Bhiwani and talk about
Job Reservation for all jats in length. There are so many
Jatsamajs and jats are not united. They are talking different things.
We have long debate on jatland and still talking.
No action- No positive result.
Jats are fighting with each other not the problems.
This is the main problem.
Unity- Positive thinking and good education are the
key points of progress.

[ranjitjat]

http://www.jatland.com/forums/search.php?searchid=413381

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340&highlight=reservation


http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340&highlight=reservation&page=5


How To Get It- Reservation Must ?
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RESERVATION-MUST.HOW TO GET IT??????????
Dear friend since you started this topic.jats got the reservation in Rajshthan, up, mp,Delhi etc how to get it in haryana ,panjab.hp. J&k etc /???????????????????
reservation is going to stay for long time. weather we like it or not, for or against. All jats must get it to survive, no other way


Dear friends this was my Q on 22 March 2002 and I am repeating thia again. This is my view now and also on that day.
There are 7 pages of 300 threads on this subject on this site.
this will not be last- Good for time pass.
Jat ko Samjhana bhagwan ky kahbu sy bhi bahar hae.
I was part of the DR Gayanparkash Pilaniya team in Rajsthan resevation movement. I was invited by Dr GhasiRam Verma and his team to Sanghariya to help in this movement. We made a solid plan for a peaceful movement.
Unity on ground level and on public platform.
We used mass media and pressure from all over world. We got resevation by very peaceful- Democartic way.
Why we can not do in Haryana now.
We asked every CM from Haryana. We asked on 13 March 2005 to CM Haryana Hooda Sahib
in International Jat Conference inNew Delhi.
Hooda Sahib ny Kahan koe mujh ko Iska fayda batlade- Samjha dae to Bat karengy.
Hamne kaha Jab Rajsthan-UP- MP- Delhi ky Jatoo ko benefit mil raha tao
Haryana ko Perhej kuon hae. Yah DR Pilanaya sahib Benefit Samjha dengy.
Aur kase milega Yah bhi Samjha dengy- aur AP 5 Yrs CM bhi aram se Bane rahogy/
har Jagah Politics chalti hae-
Jab Hooda sahib opposition thae 1999- Khud resevation support kar han.
Depender Ky liye Aur uske Father ky liye Ak to yahi Kam hae
unka statement yad dela raha hun

Jats in Haryana OBC status, says Hooda

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web.../ige23105.html
Give Jats in Haryana OBC status, says Hooda
EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE


CHANDIGARH, Oct 22: Haryana Congress president Bhupinder Singh Hooda today demanded OBC status for Jats, Jat Sikhs, Bishnois, Tyagis and Rors.
In a statement here, Hooda said there should be no discrimination against Jats in Haryana when they had been accorded the OBC status in Rajasthan and Delhi.

He added that the Gurnam Singh Commission had recommended inclusion of Jats, Jat Sikhs, Bishnois and Rors in the list of OBC. The HPCC president asked Haryana Chief Minister Om Parkash Chatuala to clarify his stand on the recommendations of the commission.

"Chautala must inform whether he will accord the OBC status to these communities," he said.

He also congratulated Rajasthan Chief Minister Ashok Gehlot and the Delhi Chief Minister for taking positive steps by conferring OBC status on Jats in their states.

Copyright © 1999 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.
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Dear Rakesh and all . I have written enough on Jat reservation.
Now the time for action.

[skadian123]

Very true Sir,

When others are availing of the benefits of reservation, we have to be realistic and practical. No doubt due to the dirty political system in India, reservation plank would be used by all the political parties for their petty gains and hence, reservation is bound to stay on in this county for a long long time.

In spite of being rigid, our community needs to be practical and avail of the benefits of reservation which would further help our community to progress. No doubt as you rightly said, we need to have a transparent system of governance, good education system and an accountable government.

As again rightly pointed out by you, its the characteristic trademark of the politicians to easily and conveniently forget their earlier promises as soon as they come to power and I am sure Mr. Hooda is no different. He will remember his promise but that would be just a few months prior to the forthcoming assembly elections.

When UP and Bihar at one point in time a few years back had Yadav CMs and still the Yadavs were accorded OBC status why can't the same be true for Haryana. Why can't the Jat community seek the benefits of reservation.

We need to really ask some tough questions from our politicians who are busy minting money by selling the land of our state to outsiders. It will soon be a question of now or never as time is fast running out for the community.

[Samarkadian]

resp.Dudy uncle,jumewari ka kaam to bhaut sain . itihaas ke elawa hame aage aane wali piddi ke liye kuch karna chahiye, jaise ' jat ko reservation' ke baare me . jatto ka loggo ne batwara kar diya delhi,rajasthan me reservation haryana ,punjab ,j&k ,himachal etc me nahi aur to aur rajasthan me bi batwara baratpur ke jatto ko reservation nahi .sir appka reservation ke baare me kya khyal hain, sir history par books likhna anchi baat hai hamari nayi piddi ko apne purwajo ki gathao ka pata chalta hain, par sir annewali piddi ke baare me bi sochiye , innke liye bi kuch kijiye.humme centre me reservation chhahiye iske liye jabtak aap jaise bade bujarg , educated jat aage nahi aaenge to hum kamyab kaise honge.gaon me jatto ka bura haal hain, politician [hamare hi log]inka shoshan kar rahe hain.naukriyo me quota ho gaya jammin rhai nahi kaha jaainge ye log.so sir plz do something for our poor coomunity.

Saangwan Saab and fellow respected members, I do want to ask few questions and concern here--> (Feel free not to answer them..)

Do we really need the 'Baisakhi' of reservation?
Would it be going up or downhill?

Havnt our ancestors given us the apt genes to develop skills of conquering the situations?

Is it not shameful in making a plea or cry for reservation to 'poor jat community'? Poverty in the sense of...........?

Do warrior race will feed its coming generation with the spoon of reservation?

I would love to be the poorest of poor or will polish the shoes but will never take the reservation.Self esteem is much higher than any materialstic gain in terms of career and other worldly pursuits.Good deeds kisi reservations ke mohtaj nahin hai..History ne yahi sikhaya hai na...:)

Thanks.

[raka]

Saangwan Saab and fellow respected members, I do want to ask few questions and concern here--> (Feel free not to answer them..)

Do we really need the 'Baisakhi' of reservation?
Would it be going up or downhill?

Havnt our ancestors given us the apt genes to develop skills of conquering the situations?

Is it not shameful in making a plea or cry for reservation to 'poor jat community'? Poverty in the sense of...........?

Do warrior race will feed its coming generation with the spoon of reservation?

I would love to be the poorest of poor or will polish the shoes but will never take the reservation.Self esteem is much higher than any materialstic gain in terms of career and other worldly pursuits.Good deeds kisi reservations ke mohtaj nahin hai..History ne yahi sikhaya hai na...:)

Thanks.
bhaijaan, ye baisakhi nahi rambaan hain . aaj meena ,gujjar, ahir,sunar etc jo bi obc ka laab utha rahe hain saab upar uthh rahe.hum jat politics ka shikaar ho rahe hain . hum apne maan me kshtriye hain, manta koi nahi, ulta lutere btate hain.hume unch koti ka chasma dikha diya aur ye ahir aur others casts aage bad gayi.yadhi hume quota milta hain to jo hamare baache intelligent wo merrit me aage badenge aur jo average hain wo quote ka fhayeda utha kar aage baad jayenge. hum in saab se har field me aage hain,padaai me, physicaly, har field me.quota to sone pe suhaga hain, ek sixer hain. bhaijaan aaj aap aur hum shyad kamyab hain par hamare gaon me log bhaut piche hain. aap ke paas bi aate honge ki hamare chhore ne kite adjust kar do ,par aapki aur hamari majburi hain kaha adjust kare, kyonki seats ginti ki hain.hamare andher conquering skills hain, agar ye reservation aur mil jaaye to ek jackpot hoga. mere ftahersaab ne bhaut gaon me jaakar logo ko samjaya, poster,cassetes banwai hain.dudi uncle bi mile thhey.hum log discuss to karte hain par field me iske liye kuch nahi karte.pichhey jind me ek raaly ki thhi ch.dara singhji chief guest thhey. waha sirf 700 ya 800 log aaye honge.agar political rally ho to log lakho ki tadad me jaate hain.yaha saram aati hain,kharcha hota hain. bhaijaan ho saka to aapke paas cassetes bhijwaunga,usme detail se hain,azad singh khanda aur nariender bhalara ki aawaj me record hain.

[shashiverma]

Yes..... History....and I am sure we should be proud of it.
Recently I heard something which made me think.....yes by being educated we can progress.

I was talking to a family member and got to know about the wedding of a relative she have recently attended. I was happy to learn that the guy was so educated and is teaching in one of the most reputed institutes of our country. The next sentence I learned was the money spent in terms of coated dowry......around 20 lakh and that to in a middle class family.....wow. All my respect and appreciation for such educated people was shattered in no time.....
Yes, progress means lots of money in terms of dowry....and why not.... you have earned a price tag by studing so hard.
No wonder, educated girls would not prefer being part of a community of double standard (I know there would be lot many to object). And I am not surprised by my reaction when I now look at the list of high degree holders.....it means nothing more than a price tag carrying human beings.
Each one of us can preach as loudly as one can against this topic, but their is hardly anyone who is clean enough to speak on this. So no point.....may be very much like others I have poured some more frustration here....thats it.
But it really hurt to see where we are heading.
Yes, we should be proud of our educated lot.

[mukeshkumar007]

bhaijaan, ye baisakhi nahi rambaan hain . aaj meena ,gujjar, ahir,sunar etc jo bi obc ka laab utha rahe hain saab upar uthh rahe.hum jat politics ka shikaar ho rahe hain . hum apne maan me kshtriye hain, manta koi nahi, ulta lutere btate hain.hume unch koti ka chasma dikha diya aur ye ahir aur others casts aage bad gayi.yadhi hume quota milta hain to jo hamare baache intelligent wo merrit me aage badenge aur jo average hain wo quote ka fhayeda utha kar aage baad jayenge. hum in saab se har field me aage hain,padaai me, physicaly, har field me.quota to sone pe suhaga hain, ek sixer hain. bhaijaan aaj aap aur hum shyad kamyab hain par hamare gaon me log bhaut piche hain. aap ke paas bi aate honge ki hamare chhore ne kite adjust kar do ,par aapki aur hamari majburi hain kaha adjust kare, kyonki seats ginti ki hain.hamare andher conquering skills hain, agar ye reservation aur mil jaaye to ek jackpot hoga. mere ftahersaab ne bhaut gaon me jaakar logo ko samjaya, poster,cassetes banwai hain.dudi uncle bi mile thhey.hum log discuss to karte hain par field me iske liye kuch nahi karte.pichhey jind me ek raaly ki thhi ch.dara singhji chief guest thhey. waha sirf 700 ya 800 log aaye honge.agar political rally ho to log lakho ki tadad me jaate hain.yaha saram aati hain,kharcha hota hain. bhaijaan ho saka to aapke paas cassetes bhijwaunga,usme detail se hain,azad singh khanda aur nariender bhalara ki aawaj me record hain.

agreed word by word. can't be explained better then this.

[cooljat]

Bhai Raka, 100% Agreed with u word by word! :) Bhai yo link bhi pad le I also once gave in real analysis of the situation :- http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166965#post166965

Bhai Samar, if u dont need Reservation dont take but why to be obstacle in Needy ones... ya Baisaki nahi hai Samar, yo Rambaan Latth hai Jaton wala! ;)

Bhai Raka, u really explained it well...Kudos to u bro!


Rock on
Jit

bhaijaan, ye baisakhi nahi rambaan hain . aaj meena ,gujjar, ahir,sunar etc jo bi obc ka laab utha rahe hain saab upar uthh rahe.hum jat politics ka shikaar ho rahe hain . hum apne maan me kshtriye hain, manta koi nahi, ulta lutere btate hain.hume unch koti ka chasma dikha diya aur ye ahir aur others casts aage bad gayi.yadhi hume quota milta hain to jo hamare baache intelligent wo merrit me aage badenge aur jo average hain wo quote ka fhayeda utha kar aage baad jayenge. hum in saab se har field me aage hain,padaai me, physicaly, har field me.quota to sone pe suhaga hain, ek sixer hain.bhaijaan aaj aap aur hum shyad kamyab hain par hamare gaon me log bhaut piche hain. aap ke paas bi aate honge ki hamare chhore ne kite adjust kar do ,par aapki aur hamari majburi hain kaha adjust kare, kyonki seats ginti ki hain.hamare andher conquering skills hain, agar ye reservation aur mil jaaye to ek jackpot hoga. mere ftahersaab ne bhaut gaon me jaakar logo ko samjaya, poster,cassetes banwai hain.dudi uncle bi mile thhey.hum log discuss to karte hain par field me iske liye kuch nahi karte.pichhey jind me ek raaly ki thhi ch.dara singhji chief guest thhey. waha sirf 700 ya 800 log aaye honge.agar political rally ho to log lakho ki tadad me jaate hain.yaha saram aati hain,kharcha hota hain. bhaijaan ho saka to aapke paas cassetes bhijwaunga,usme detail se hain,azad singh khanda aur nariender bhalara ki aawaj me record hain.

[raka]

Bhai Raka, 100% Agreed with u word by word! :) Bhai yo link bhi pad le I also once gave in real analysis of the situation :- http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166965#post166965 (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166965#post166965)

Bhai Samar, if u dont need Reservation dont take but why to be obstacle in Needy ones... ya Baisaki nahi hai Samar, yo Rambaan Latth hai Jaton wala! ;)

Bhai Raka, u really explained it well...Kudos to u bro!


Rock on
Jit
Bhai Jite theek baat sain ye kai bhai jyada pade likhe sain ye kuch jyda kanun chhat te hain.hamare andher ya jo akaar sain ya jyada saideh sain.mere fathersaab ke paas aate thhey aur kahatey saab chhorey ne chhahey mochi(cobbler) lagwa de par lag wa de. mochi laggan main saram koni par reservation len me saram sain,chotte ho jange.ya jutthi maror ek din jatta ne mar degi.Ch.Chhoturam ne kaha thha"bolna seekh le,admi phachanna seekh le" aaj hum huch kuch bolna to seekh gaye par admi ki phachan abi bi nahi hain.ye bhaman to hamare dushman thhey hi ab ye refuji aur aa gaye.ye hamare samar bhai jaise log in refujjieo ,bhamano ki jyada sunte inke bhakave me aaja te hain.ye aande bechanniea aaj hamara faisla kar te hain,desh par raaj kar rahe hain.khet me seema par saheed hamare log hote hain aur raaj ye kar rahe hain.aaj jab hum reservation mangte hain to ab ye log kah rahe hain ki reservation aarthik aadahar par hona chahyie aur hamare kuch neta inki ha me ha mila rahe hain.

[ranjitjat]

Yes..... History....and I am sure we should be proud of it.
Recently I heard something which made me think.....yes by being educated we can progress.

I was talking to a family member and got to know about the wedding of a relative she have recently attended. I was happy to learn that the guy was so educated and is teaching in one of the most reputed institutes of our country. The next sentence I learned was the money spent in terms of coated dowry......around 20 lakh and that to in a middle class family.....wow. All my respect and appreciation for such educated people was shattered in no time.....
Yes, progress means lots of money in terms of dowry....and why not.... you have earned a price tag by studing so hard.
No wonder, educated girls would not prefer being part of a community of double standard (I know there would be lot many to object). And I am not surprised by my reaction when I now look at the list of high degree holders.....it means nothing more than a price tag carrying human beings.
Each one of us can preach as loudly as one can against this topic, but their is hardly anyone who is clean enough to speak on this. So no point.....may be very much like others I have poured some more frustration here....thats it.
But it really hurt to see where we are heading.
Yes, we should be proud of our educated lot.
I agree with you Shashi 100%
So called highly educated are more dengerous class.
Drug-Dowry-Daru-Gang warfare are biggest killer.
I have also attended 7 weddings in India.
1 rupee sagun ky lenewale bhi han- kam han
mere mama ji ny 1rupee sagun sygodd mae sadi ki
bina barat ky-400 barati bhi hamne dekhe

[narenderkharb]

Jats making History by good deeds and writing history only in spare time

I have good 3 months working holiday in India and have good time.
I have attended 7 weddings ceremony
in Narela Delhi- Dharuhera.
As whole Haryana to Kharu near Rajgarh Churu Rajasthan.

I have attended Jat History conference
at Jaipur in March,presented history books
to CH.Ramnarayan Dudi and
CH.Degamber Singh both minister in Rajasthan.
I visited Kurukchetra seen Dharohar museum.
History books were presented
to Ex-VCDR Bhim Singh Dahiya and Anup Lathar
. I was honoured by Jat Aryan Sabha
at Bhadurgarh in CH.Chhoturam Jat Dharamsala on 6April.
TheTurban was presented by 98 years old CH.Udey Singh Maan.

I visited Gurukul Jhajjar, Rohtak, Sonipat,Delhi,
Gurgaon , Dharuhera,Rewari, Dadri- Bhiwani
and over 100 villages in 4 states.
I visited CH.SukhRam memorial school at Kalirawan Hisar,
welcomed by Shri RamSarup and mrs santosh arya,
History books were presented to school and staff.
As a whole this was good public relation exercise.
I enjoyed every part of it.
I have spoken to Laxman Burdak ji, Navin Gulia
and many friends on phone.
I met Narender Kharub, Dr Tewatia, Rohnit phor
and other history lover friends.

It is my pleasure to work with such a nice team of jatlanders.


Dudee ji

You are a great inspiration source for all of us .

Working tirelessly for Jats at this age with such a passion make all of us feel proud of you.

It was an honour to take your blessing and See you being honoured by elders of our society.

May God give you a long life so that you can continue your efforts for Jat community the way you are doing now.

Regards

Narender Kharb.

[ranjitjat]

Dear Narender
It was great pleasure to meet you and your team.
You can add the photoes which DR.Tevatia took during the meeting.

This is honour to serve this great warrior race and write its glorious history.
I feel great pleasure and much younger.

When I see 98 years CH. Udey Singh Maan active on Jatsabha platform.

When I see 81 yrs DR. Ghasi Ram Verma active in Jaipur & Jhunjhanu.

When I see CH. Ramsarup Arya active in Sukhram Public school Kalirawan.

When I saw Swami Omanand ji Active karam yogi at the age of 93.

There are many others who motivate me to do karma whole life.

ham tao pahle karam karke-phir dusaro ko motivate karne ky liye.

yahan likhte han- kaum mae kuch jagarti aaye,

nahi pidhi ko kuch sikhane ko mile. maragdarsan mile.

Aaj Jat kaum-vina leaders ky disha hin bhatak rahi hae.

[ranjitjat]

bhaijaan, ye baisakhi nahi rambaan hain . aaj meena ,gujjar, ahir,sunar etc jo bi obc ka laab utha rahe hain saab upar uthh rahe.hum jat politics ka shikaar ho rahe hain . hum apne maan me kshtriye hain, manta koi nahi, ulta lutere btate hain.hume unch koti ka chasma dikha diya aur ye ahir aur others casts aage bad gayi.yadhi hume quota milta hain to jo hamare baache intelligent wo merrit me aage badenge aur jo average hain wo quote ka fhayeda utha kar aage baad jayenge. hum in saab se har field me aage hain,padaai me, physicaly, har field me.quota to sone pe suhaga hain, ek sixer hain. bhaijaan aaj aap aur hum shyad kamyab hain par hamare gaon me log bhaut piche hain. aap ke paas bi aate honge ki hamare chhore ne kite adjust kar do ,par aapki aur hamari majburi hain kaha adjust kare, kyonki seats ginti ki hain.hamare andher conquering skills hain, agar ye reservation aur mil jaaye to ek jackpot hoga. mere ftahersaab ne bhaut gaon me jaakar logo ko samjaya, poster,cassetes banwai hain.dudi uncle bi mile thhey.hum log discuss to karte hain par field me iske liye kuch nahi karte.pichhey jind me ek raaly ki thhi ch.dara singhji chief guest thhey. waha sirf 700 ya 800 log aaye honge.agar political rally ho to log lakho ki tadad me jaate hain.yaha saram aati hain,kharcha hota hain. bhaijaan ho saka to aapke paas cassetes bhijwaunga,usme detail se hain,azad singh khanda aur nariender bhalara ki aawaj me record hain.

Dear all
Learn unity from Gujjars.
Agar reservation itni kharab hoti to-
aaj Gujjar aur dusari Jatti- SC/.BC ky liye
khun ladti ? Dusray logo sae hi kuch sikhlo.

[raka]

Dear all
Learn unity from Gujjars.
Agar reservation itni kharab hoti to-
aaj Gujjar aur dusari Jatti- SC/.BC ky liye
khun ladti ? Dusray logo sae hi kuch sikhlo.
yes uncle ur right, we should learn unity from gujjars,but u know"jat n samjanna,uunt n rail main bithhana brabar sain"
"jattra aur katrra brabar howe sain appneya n marea kare"

[ranjitjat]

Dear Rakesh You are right.
Jat ko samjhana- Sivji Bhagwan ky bas ki bat bhi nahi hae.
Uuntt- Hathi- Sher- Jhote sy bhi khatarnak Jatparani hae.
Jat ka koe friend nahi- Sabhi Dusman han
Jat ko Dusman ki jarurat bhi nahi
Kyun ki Jat hi Jat ka Sabse vada Dusman hae.
Jo ARKSAN ki pudiya- Gujjar- Meena SC.BC
ky liye RAMBAN hae Bahi Jat ky liye Jahar hae
Ghar mae Musey Kalan kare Aur Bahar Panchayati
Pahle - Bihari ny Sajhi rakh- Bihari Chhori ny Bhaja lae
Phir Dhund kar Chhori aur Bihari ny marte han
Aaj ase neta panchati aur Iijat ke thekedar han.
Koe apnepan mae sachi-nek salah de tao
uska- seer phodnegy- ya murder kar dengy.
AAj Delhi NCR mae DON aur hardcore Criminal jats han
JIND mae 1 Jatsabha AaRAKSAN ky liye rally karti hae
2-jat sabha- Jatbargade-Top-Goli BRG usakorokti han.
pahle 1 Jatsabha thi- Aaj- Jat Top- Jat Goli- Jat Jeley
Adrash Jat- Jat Takhat- Jat Mogra Morcha 7 sabha han.
Hanuman van kar Gujaro ko SC delane chale han-
Muchh
Farkakar
Pahle AARAKSAN sare Jatoo ko tao DELA DO.
Jat kaum ko kha gaye Jhhothi Iijat- bor- Badai




http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080530/main1.htm

Gujjars soften stand, ready to talk

Karawadi, Bharatpur, May 29
Gujjar leader Kirori Singh Bainsla said he could consider talking to the Rajasthan government provided it made a “proper proposal”. “We are willing to talk through our representatives with the state government, if the government makes a proper proposal,” Bhainsla said without specifying what he meant by “proper proposal”.

“However, we will not settle for anything less than ST status and we will not move from here till we have the recommendation letter from the state government," he said.

Seventy-year-old Bainsla earlier addressed a rally to observe “martyrs” day’ in memory of those killed in the agitation since 2007.

Jaipur: The Vasundhara Raje government is ready to hold fresh talks with Col Bainsla to resolve the crisis, senior BJP leader Gopinath Munde said here. “We want to hold talks with the Gujjar leaders by any means”, state BJP in-charge Munde told reporters after coming out of a meeting between party and state government functionaries chaired by the CM

An invitation for talks will be extended to the protesters led by Bainsla in Pilupura, he said. — PTI






Gujjars block roads in Delhi
Tribune News Service


Gujjar protesters brave tear gas while throwing stones at security personnel during their demonstration at Aya Nagar in New Delhi on Thursday. Tribune photo by Mukesh Aggarwal


New Delhi, May 29
Normal life in the National Capital Territory of Delhi and adjoining areas was disrupted today as scores of agitating Gujjars blocked roads and threw stones at vehicles and the police during the one-day bandh called by the All-India Gujjar Mahasabha. The Gujjars are demanding ST status for the community.

According to the police, over 120 protesters were detained in various areas of the capital. Protesters clashed with police at Aya Nagar and Mehrauli in South Delhi. Some cases of arson were also reported.

The worst affected areas were the borders of the Capital including Ghazipur, Loni, Badarpur and Mehrauli-Gurgaon Road where thousands of commuters were stranded for hours because of blockades.

Trains including Gujarat Sampark Kranti Express (Nizamuddin-Ahmedabad) and Maharashtra Sampark Kranti Express (Bandra-Hazrat Nizamuddin) were cancelled and many routes were diverted, the Northern Railway said. The agitation also spilled over into some Gujjar-dominated areas in East, South and West Delhi, where small groups of agitators blocked roads an forced shops to close.

The police and paramilitary forces were seen controlling the situation throughout the day. The police said most markets remained opened.

Because of road blockades in some areas, many people were unable to reach their offices in time. Even some government offices reported thin attendance, as many opted to stay away fearing violence.

The Union Home Ministry had put the National Capital Region on high alert two days ago following the call given by agitators and issued advisories to Delhi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh governments asking them to maintain peace. The protesters were observing the day as 'Martyrs Day' to mark the first anniversary of their agitation, in which people had died. Local policemen and paramilitary personnel were also deployed in adjoining Faridabad, Gurgaon (both in Haryana), Noida and Ghaziabad (both in Uttar Pradesh).






Delhi-Lucknow Shatabdi stranded for three hrs
Tripti Nath
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, May 29
Passengers, aboard the Delhi-Lucknow Shatabdi Express, were stranded for three hours today at Dankaur near Ghaziabad as Gujjars held a dharna on the tracks.

Sources said the train resumed its journey following the intervention of the director- general of police, Uttar Pradesh.

They said the passengers and railway property were protected during the protest.

The railways said the Delhi-Lucknow Shatabdi was the lone train that encountered the trouble.

Sources said the deployment of seven companies of railway protection special force in the National Capital Region prevented any harm to the train passengers or damage to railway property.

Eighteen trains, including nine local trains, were cancelled due to the protest by the Gujjar Samaj Mahapanchayat.

A Press release issued by the northern railway said the cancelled trains included the premier 2954 Hazrat Nizamuddin-Mumbai Central /August Kranti Express, besides the 9020 Dehradun-Bandra Terminus-Dehradun Express and the 9024 Firozpur-Mumbai Central-Firozpur Janta Express. The local trains cancelled today were the Aligarh-Delhi EMU, Khurja-Meerut passenger train and Ghaziabad-Delhi junction EMU.

Another eight trains were diverted, including the 2952 New Delhi-Mumbai Rajdhani Express, the 2926 Amritsar-Bandra Terminus Paschim Express, the 2904 Amritsar-Mumbai Central Golden Temple Mail and the 2312 Delhi-Howrah Kalka Mail.

Meanwhile, the ministry of home affairs that had its security arrangements in Gujjar agitation affected states plans to continue vigil on vulnerable areas.

Special secretary, internal security, M. Kumawat said here today they were monitoring the situation and had provided 21 companies of central para military forces to Rajasthan and four to Haryana.

He said Delhi had no dearth of forces and no major incident was reported during the ‘NCR (National Capital Region) roko’ bandh’ announced by the Gujjars.

“There were some traffic jams and some minor incidents of tyre burning. Some trains were detained.

We have sent advisories to governments of Gujjar affected states and are also in touch with the director- general of the railway protection force,’’ Kumawat said.


Gujjars Protest
BJP MP offers to mediate
Chitleen K Sethi
Tribune News Service

Jaipur, May 29
Even as the Gujjar protest spread across the country today, the Rajasthan government kept a tight check on the agitators within the state. The “Shahidi Divas” programmes in Sikandra in Dausa district and Pilupura in Bharatpur during which Gujjar protestors offered floral tributes and observed a two-minute silence to pay homage to memory of those killed in police since last year passed off peacefully.

The state government today also decided to conduct the post-mortem of 14 victims of Sikandara police firing whose bodies have been lying at the mortuary of the SMS Hospital here since May 24.

Sitting BJP MP from Bharatpur, Vishwendra Singh has offered to help resolve the Gujjar reservation issue and met the Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje at her official residence here this morning. Later, he proceeded to Bharatpur via Delhi.

The MP is likely to mediate with the state government to bring Gujjar leaders to the table to resume talks. Gujjars at Bharatpur have a high regard for Singh, who is from the Bharatpur Royal family.

Congress leaders were stopped from going to the sit-in protest site. Uma Bharti too was refused entry by the state government.

Addressing medipersons after a meeting with the Chief Minister at her residence this afternoon, BJP spokesman, Prakash Javadekar said the government was ready for fresh talks with the protestors. “The government cannot meet thousands of protestors at the site. A common meeting point has to be decided,” he said.

He added that the bodies would be handed over to the kin of the victims for cremation. The deadlock over post-mortem of victims whose bodies were lying at dharna sites in Pillukapura-Karvari and Sikandra was still unresolved and efforts to resolve it were on, Javadekar said.




Mann arrives in Bharatpur

Jaipur, May 29
Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) president Simranjit Singh Mann landed in Bharatpur today morning “to mediate peace” between the protesting Gujjars. Mann managed to come from Punjab via Uttar Pradesh, but was, however, stopped at the Bharatpur district. He was not allowed to move towards Pilu Pura, where the Gujjars were squatting with the bodies of their supporters.

Addressing a press conference at the Bharatpur Circuit House, Mann said he had come for the sake of peace and was aware of the problem. He demanded that since the Gujjars had no faith in the state government, the post-mortem of the bodies of the slain protestors should be conducted outside the state. — TNS

[narenderkharb]

Dear all
Learn unity from Gujjars.
Agar reservation itni kharab hoti to-
aaj Gujjar aur dusari Jatti- SC/.BC ky liye
khun ladti ? Dusray logo sae hi kuch sikhlo.

Very true Sir,

Majority Jats know, it is need of the hour for our community.

Again Jatland being an online community you can't rule out doubtful ids posing as Jats and working against jats interests.

[devdahiya]

Very true Sir,

Majority Jats know, it is need of the hour for our community.

Again Jatland being an online community you can't rule out doubtful ids posing as Jats and working against jats interests.



Unfortunate but true..these elements are in plenty with in the community...short sighted and destructive.

[narenderkharb]

Unfortunate but true..these elements are in plenty with in the community...short sighted and destructive.

Sidhi.... Sachhi...... Baat.

[ranjitjat]

Unfortunate but true..these elements are in plenty with in the community...short sighted and destructive.
100 agree
we need positive energy
and positive thinking
army type trained people like
Gujar leader Kirori Singh Bhansla

[ranjitjat]

Very true Sir,

Majority Jats know, it is need of the hour for our community.

Again Jatland being an online community you can't rule out doubtful ids posing as Jats and working against jats interests.
Narender you are right.
But we are talking unity on ground. not on net.
I was in India. When Jatsabha Darasingh gruop.
has a rally in Jind.
Com. Hawa Singh Sangwan, Col Harpat Singh and other were supporting it.
and 2 other Goli- Top BRIG were oppsing it. some politician supporting them.

[Samarkadian]

100 agree
we need positive energy
and positive thinking
army type trained people like
Gujar leader Kirori Singh Bhansla

Respected Dudee Ji,
I dnt know and understand what made you to project Bhainsla as reedemer and icon as an inspiration for neo-jat-leadership. Enlighten us about the splendid 'positive aura and energy' he has thrown at masses, if you dnt mind? Does he possess any sense of resposibility in the terms of civic discipline and moral duty being an ex-army man or you are just taken away with simple blocking of roads n killing innocent people? He has given a pathetic example of leadership to the country. I wish him and people like him the worst hell.

Thanks :)

[Samarkadian]

Very true Sir,

Majority Jats know, it is need of the hour for our community.

Again Jatland being an online community you can't rule out doubtful ids posing as Jats and working against jats interests.

Thats a classical example of whinning about unneccassry things like fake ids as aliens will crash the earth.
Again, can you rule up the 'real ones' sir, for 'real interests'? and How?

[narenderkharb]

I was in India. When Jatsabha Darasingh gruop.
has a rally in Jind.
Com. Hawa Singh Sangwan, Col Harpat Singh and other were supporting it.
and 2 other Goli- Top BRIG were oppsing it. some politician supporting them.

Ha ...Ha ...ha.

Yeah it is a problem .

Choudhary Hawa Singh Sangwan is doing a wonderful job for community and we need many more like him.

BJP walas planned a rally on the same day and all the fuss was for the same reason.

You may be surprised to know that one of organiser Virender Sindhu was implicated under anti national activities for insisting on holding a rally .

[narenderkharb]

Narender you are right.
But we are talking unity on ground. not on net.
.

There are positive moves regarding that.

Yesterday we had a meeting at Sonepat and representative of all Jat organisation had a unanimous resolution regarding inclusion of Jats in OBC at centre and state levels.A committee was constituted under leadership of Retired Chief Justice DS Tewatia .Jats are certainly moving towards their goal and efforts of sincere people for Jat community are showing its results.

[narenderkharb]

Thats a classical example of whinning about unneccassry things like fake ids as aliens will crash the earth.
Again, can you rule up the 'real ones' sir, for 'real interests'? and How?

Bhai Samar Singh

Aap ki kai galat dharnaye hain in Jattan orh inkae jat institutions ke Baare maen like Sarvkhap panchayats whom you criticise a lot .

Luckily I am receiving a Book By Dudhi ji on History of Sarvkhap panchayats today .Can you give me your address in India where I can deliver the books so that you can read about it before abusing these institutions further?

[narenderkharb]

We must redouble our efforts for Younger generations avoiding unnecessary distractions on the way to reach our goal.

[mukeshkumar007]

Respected Dudee Ji,
He has given a pathetic example of leadership to the country. I wish him and people like him the worst hell.

Thanks :)

agreed 100%.

[raka]

Narender you are right.
But we are talking unity on ground. not on net.
I was in India. When Jatsabha Darasingh gruop.
has a rally in Jind.
Com. Hawa Singh Sangwan, Col Harpat Singh and other were supporting it.
and 2 other Goli- Top BRIG were oppsing it. some politician supporting them.
uncleji,aaj hum itne harkati ho gaye hain ki net par hi apni unity samajte hain, jab baat field ki aati hain to kahate hain rupee paise ley lo time nahi hain.ek kahawat thhi "anpad jat padde likhe jissa, paddya likha jat khuda jissa". jo anpad jat hain wo aaj bi himmati hain par yo paddya likha jat harkati ho gaya hain.aaj hum kagaji ghore ho gaye hain.
kal djm main, D.N.Deshwal saab ta bolye aarakshan kay baare m apka kya khyal sain , bole jatto ko aarakshan ki kya jarurat hain, badda afsos hua ki hamare ye maayat hi issi baat karange to kya hoga.

[ranjitjat]

Now GUjars got a leader like Kirori Singh Bainsla
. other wise the demand for
ST in from 1961-62.
Gujaroo ka Mahatma- jisne Kashmir sy
Kanyakumari tak gujaroo ko jaga kar
1 unity khada kar ky jod diya hae.
yah kam koe karamati leader hi kar sakta hae
Gujars ko BC sy ST bana diya.
hamne to Chandigarh sy Jaipur tak
Col ko Dewta ki tarah pujta dekha hae
Kotputli sy dusa tak Gujari arti utarti han.
Murda BC kaum mae naye jaan dal di hae.
Kisi nirdosh ki jaan jaye- yah buri bat hae
Konsa movement-rally mae admi nahi marte han
Drug-Gangwar-Dowry- Rail-road-air accident.
honour killing- terrorism sy daily kitne marte han.
Gandhi ki azadi mae kitne admi mare han
Bharat ky 3 tukade huye- lakho mare han.
Maham kand- Khendela -Kadma- Mandiwali
Nandigram- Naya yudh- har jagah mare han.
Gharsana mae kuch nahi mila bina sanghrash
Rajasthan ky Jatoo ny bhi peaceful andolan
kiya jisme mae bhi hun. jabhi BC Aaraksam mila hae.

Do not forget Sikar mahayagya - Jats Rajputs
Movement and Jat kisan Sanghrash and history.

Let we Jats learn from Gujars and from other people.
The Rajasthan Gujjars’ demand for inclusion in the Scheduled Tribe (ST) category has turned violent in the past year, as the community feels squeezed out of OBC quota benefits. Sources say that the demand — first put forth in 1961-62 — has to be seen in relation to the inclusion of Jats in the Rajasthan OBC list in 1999.

In recent years, OBC cut-offs in the state have sometimes crossed the general category cut-off. In this year’s RPSC civil services (preliminary) examination, the general category cut-off, 193.14, was 13 marks below the OBC cut-off. The difference between the OBC and ST cut-offs, however, was 41 marks.

In the 2006 Rajasthan PMT examination, the OBC cut-off was 770, while the general cut-off was 737, at the pre-counselling stage. This was because the RPMT results at the pre-counselling stage make separate lists according to the category the candidate chooses, while the final list is adjusted by considering the top 50 per cent candidates as general category and then filling up the mandated quotas. The state civil services result, however, considers all OBCs as reserved on the grounds that reserved candidates get preferential service allotment.

Political observers feel that the competition in Rajasthan’s OBC category has become acute after Jats were included by the Vajpayee government in 1999. This also helped the BJP win support from the traditionally pro-Congress Jats in the 2003 assembly polls, they say. “After 1999, OBC groups like Gujjars, Malis and Ahirs find it impossible to compete with the economically well-off Jat candidates,” says a former bureaucrat. Gujjar leader Bhim Singh says, “The living standard of Gujjars is quite poor. Meenas have more land than us. We want parity with them through inclusion in the ST quota. With new castes getting added, the Gujjars are not able to benefit from the OBC quota.”

Jats constitute 10-11 per cent of Rajasthan’s population. With a significant presence in about 100 assembly constituencies, and 36 MLAs in the state, Jats are politically and educationally more powerful than Gujjars — who make up about 5 per cent of the population — and other OBC castes.

Consequently, Gujjars want inclusion in the ST quota, where Meenas are practically the sole beneficiaries. Out of Rajasthan’s ST population — 12.6 per cent of the total — Meenas constitute 53 per cent and Bhils almost 40 per cent. The Meenas are dead-against the Gujjars’ demand, which lead to violent Gujjar-Meena clashes last year.

[ranjitjat]

Dear Narender I got the news.
Jatoo mae unity hoti tao BC 1999
mae hi sare India ky mil jana tha
Jhhuthi- bahas nahi action chahiye
ak bhed aur unity ki bat kahta hun.
DR Ghasiram Verma- DR Pilaniya
aur jatoo ky top brain HC ny 1999
Sanghariya mae Aaraksan ka antim
fasla kiya- I was part of that team.
Hamari London- AJA USA ki Jatsabha ny
1999 mae hi parastav pass kar diya tha.
6 April 2008 ko Bhadargarh-Ch.Chhotu Ram
Jat Dharamsala mae sare aam kahkar
Col. OP. Sindhu aur Ch Udey Singh Mann
sy kah kar parastav pass karwaya hae.
We are stand by you and the Kaum
ham tan -maan- dhan sy aapke sath han
baki koe chahe kuch bhi kahta rahe
Aaraksan ka Sanghrash chalta rahega.
We will win- right -just cause will win



http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080602/haryana.htm

Deepender hits out at Raje
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, June 1
The BJP government in Rajasthan will have to pay a heavy price in the next assembly elections as it has done no good to any section of society during its four-and-a-half-year rule in the state. The Congress will be voted to power in the next assembly elections in the desert state.

This was claimed by Rohtak MP Deepender Hooda, who is the Congress election in charge of Hanumangarh district, in a statement issued here today. Earlier in the day, he addressed a “Sadbhawna Sankalp Sammelan” organised by the Congress in Amarpurajalu Khat village in the Sangriya assembly constituency. He also addressed public meetings in Pilibanga, Nathwana and Shahapini villages.

Deepender said the people of Rajasthan were disappointed with the state government as it had indulged in firing on them and had not fulfilled its election promises. He accused the Rajasthan government of functioning in an aristocratic manner which had triggered grate resentment among the masses. On the contrary, the previous Congress governments in the state always worked for the welfare of the poor and the farming community.

He said in Haryana, the Congress, under the leadership of Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda, had taken a number of historic decisions for the benefit of all sections of society.

Coming down heavily on the Indian National Lok Dal, which plans to contest the Rajasthan assembly elections, Deepender said in Haryana the party faced the anger of the people in the assembly elections in 2005 for committing several atrocities on farmers. The people’s anger against the INLD was so intense that its supremo Om Prakash Chautala could not even become the leader of the opposition in the Vidhan Sabha. The BJP in Rajasthan would meet the same fate as the INLD had met in Haryana.

Lashing out at Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje, Deepender said the people living in palaces could not think of the welfare of farmers and the poor. Only those people who had worked with them could think of their welfare and take decisions for
their uplift.


Assault on Vice-President of Union
Auto-rickshaw drivers go on strike
Tribune News Service

Yamunanagar, June 1
Residents of the district had to face inconvenience today as more than 3,000 auto-rickshaw drivers went on strike in protest against the alleged beating up of the vice-president of the Jagadhri-Yamunanagar Auto Union. Auto-rickshaws are the main mode of transportation in the district.

Ramesh Kumar, vice-president of the union, was allegedly beaten up by a group of persons lead by Guchha last evening.

Incidentally, the entrance examination for admission to polytechnic courses was held today and hundreds of students who came to the district for appearing in the examination had to look for alternative modes of transportation to reach to their centres. Meanwhile, on a complaint of Ramesh Kumar, the police has booked Guchha and 25 others for assaulting him.

On April 4 also, the auto-rickshaw drivers had observed a strike alleging that the police was unnecessarily challaning their vehicles.



Gujjars to gherao Parliament
Our Correspondent

Rewari, June 1
Members of the Gujjar community from Rewari, Mahendragarh, Gurgaon, Faridabad and other districts of Haryana will stage a demonstration at Jantar Mantar and will also gherao Parliament in New Delhi on June 5 in protest against the alleged brutalities on Gujjars by the Rajasthan government as well as in support of the community’s demand for ST status.

A decision in this regard was taken at a mahapanchayat of Gujjars of Rewari, Mahendragarh, Gurgaon and Faridabad districts held under the chairmanship of Kalu Ram Nambardar (Bawal) at the Jaisinghpur Khera barrier, 25 km from here, today.

Expressing solidarity with their community members fighting for ST status in Rajasthan, leaders reiterated their demands for a compensation of Rs 10 lakh each to the dependants of those killed in police firing and Rs 5 lakh each to those injured, unconditional withdrawal of cases registered against Kirori Singh Bainsla and other Gujjar leaders of Rajasthan and a judicial inquiry into the alleged atrocities on Gujjars in Rajasthan.

Capt B.R. Mahlawat, district president of the Jat Mahasabha Haryana, Thakur Abhey Singh, district president of the Rajput Mahasabha, Haryana, Prem Singh of the All-India Brahmin Sabha and Shyam Singh Thakur, chairman of a cluster of 360 villages of Gurgaon district, extended support to the agitation while addressing the mahapanchayat.



Quota: Jats form panel
Our Correspondent

Sonepat, June 1
Representatives of 27 Jat organisations and pradhans of various khaps of Jats today formed a six-member committee to constitute a 15-member Jat arakshan sangharsh samiti to launch a campaign in support of their demand of reservation for Jats in OBCs.

The six-member committee will be headed by former Chief Justice D.S. Tewatia.

The other members of the committee are Kanwal Singh Pradhan, Col Maher Singh Dahiya (retd), Mangeram Sangwan, Ranbir Singh Malik and Udey Singh Dalal, former MLA.

After the meeting here in Chhoturam Dharamshala, which was jointly organised by the World Jat Aryans Foundation, New Delhi, and the Rastriya Surveer Jat Akta Aour Samjhota Manch, Haryana, the working president of the foundation Col O.P. Sindhu (retd) said the committee would hold a meeting on June 3 to finalise the names of the sangharsh samiti.

The samiti members, including members from Delhi Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan, would go to villages in Haryana to seek public support and create awareness among the Jats about their demand, he added.

Tewatia said the demand for reservation for Jats in OBCs justified on the pattern of other castes like Gujjars and Ahirs as the Jats were socially backward in comparison to other upper castes.

[ranjitjat]

uncleji,aaj hum itne harkati ho gaye hain ki net par hi apni unity samajte hain, jab baat field ki aati hain to kahate hain rupee paise ley lo time nahi hain.ek kahawat thhi "anpad jat padde likhe jissa, paddya likha jat khuda jissa". jo anpad jat hain wo aaj bi himmati hain par yo paddya likha jat harkati ho gaya hain.aaj hum kagaji ghore ho gaye hain.
kal djm main, D.N.Deshwal saab ta bolye aarakshan kay baare m apka kya khyal sain , bole jatto ko aarakshan ki kya jarurat hain, badda afsos hua ki hamare ye maayat hi issi baat karange to kya hoga.

dear Rakesh
Bhagwan Jat Kaum ko Sadbhudi dae
Sanghrash Jari rakho.
Truth will win atlast.
Jats learn only hard way
Hard luck- God bless you all

[devdahiya]

We need all so called educated,uneducated,Dabbe pe baithhe logg and those so called assli ground heros[seen a lot of these ground realities though] to move in some sensible direction if at all we have some substance and dignity of purpose.negative criticizers will and have not done any thing good to the mankind ever in the history and such people need to be ruthlessly brushed aside in larger intersest of a kaum or a PURPOSE.Leadership is not by design,it is by KARTOOT.Move on folks those who understand things and are custodians of HUMILITY.Bless!

[spdeshwal]

Bhai Sangwan

I would like to request, members and participant to organize a jat meet away from Capital Region. We don't have to go very far, choose any village near bahadurgarh, Sonepat or Samli and would know the real state of affairs!


आधे से ज्यादा जाट आबादी ऐसी है जिसे पता नही ४-१० बीघे के टुकड़े में सारा साल कैसे निकलेगा
एक बचे की शादी करनी पड़ जाए , तो सारी उमर के लिए कर्जदार
लड़कों की तो खैर शादी होती ही नही , कोण रिश्ता करेगा , किसी ने लड़की ब्याह्दी तब खिलायेगा क्या
नोकरी मिलनी नही

में ख़ुद जाती के आधार पर आरक्षण का हिमायती नही , पर आर्थिक आधार पर मिलले नही और जाती के आधार पर मांगो नही , इस तरह ये बहादुर जाती ही खत्म हो जायेगी १००-१५० साल बाद

इस लिए डूडी जी ने जिस मंच और संगठन का जीकर करा है , सभी पढे लिखे भाइयों , जाट लैण्ड के मेम्बेर्स सहित इस का साथ देना चाहिए !

मेरी सुभ्कम्नाएं इस मंच और इस से जुड़े लोगों के साथ hein



खुश रहो !

[rajendersingh]

Dear members,
Reservation for jats in Haryana is a current topic which is there because of obvious reasons like our community in UP, Rajasthan and Delhi is already there in this quota scheme. Now Gujjars are there to raise the issue and sentiments.Why not if they have got it and Gujjars are fighting for it. So its our turn. But is it really a big gain or falling prey to politicians. It really needs to be looked at.
Now there are calls for embibing the Gujjars, the Bainsla...I personally feel its degrading for me and my community,If you have to take Gujjars as leaders and follow them for our struggle for anything, whatever it is. I have got "n" number of great achievers and fighters in my own community. This cheap and ugly work of Gujjars can never match them in any way. The list is very long but to name a few....Ch Gokul, Ch Churamal, Raja Badan Singh, Maharaja Surajmal, Maharaja Jawahar Singh, Raja Mahender Pratap, Baba Teja, Ch Charan Singh, Ch Devi Lal, Mirdha's. I just named a few happened to follow the same religion which i do and there are great names like Maharaja Ranjit Singh types with whom i can connect with the Jat blood and we all should be proud, he is the only name who conquered Kabul and the muslim jats are doing extremely well in Pakistan also. When Pakistan came into being, Jats were in very bad state but recently, they are a force to reckon with. President Tarar, Pervez Illahi, Sujjat Hussain are the few names which we are familiar with. And, Gujjars have got none and they stand true to their reputation as on date also. so, lets change the model, we really cant afford to follow them. When we roam around in the Indian society the tag itself is not suitable to our reputation. How many of us have close friends with such reputation.

Now if we are really thinking about the reservation then lets go for some rough statistics.
1) Whats the total population of jat in Haryana as on date.
2) Whats the total %age of Jats in Haryana as on date.
3) As per reservation quota what catagory do we expect to fall.
4) What will be the total %age reservation for us as reserva catagory in all catagories. For ex; Class A,B,C,D.
5)Total no. of jobs as per its catagory, rough idea.
6) Total no. of reservation for all kinds of educational institutes.
I request if any of us has got that idea, it should be shared with all before we talk about the reservation.

Now if you talk of castes which are already reserved for the quotas. I doubt if their financial and social portions have improved as a whole. We have got examples in front of us like SC's of Haryana. there are very few families who have been enjoying this status and majority of them are still in the same rut. And this previlidged class amongst them has distanced from them. Hope we dont create such a class among us.
This is the time for jobs and opportunities in private sector and we should train ourself for that. I personally feel, asking for such a segregation from the main stream will put us to a great disadvantage as any such categorisation will be taken as a step which will put us in line of less deserving and opportunists. The mainstream will not give us a due chance and the most coverted characteristic that is self-respect because as we might have already bargained it. Kindly look at all these things.

With regards,
Rajender Singh

[ranjitjat]

THANK YOU SP DESWAL JI. MAJOR RAJENDER SAHIB FOR YOUR VIEWS

http://udaipur.nic.in/cons.pdf

http://rajpolice.nic.in/pdf-files/RSD-sel2.pdf


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... f+ghadsana
HERE ARE SOME LISTS. GIVING NAME OF BC.ST/SC AND GENERAL CAT. SELECTION IN rAJASTHAN.
GIVE SOME IDEA. HOW BC HELP JATS AND OTHERS.

[spdeshwal]

Dear Rajender ji

I mostly agree on what you have written but still have some apprehension about those left out candidates and families who couldn't make it in the General list and their condition is worse than BC's in many cases.

Although I am not fully aware of the reservation mechanism but think that participants compete for dual category. I mean BC's, who gained seat in General quota wouldn't be counted in as BC for this purpose and these are the additional seats go to BC's. Therefore General category candidates are at disadvantage. I don't know, I may be wrong but can't stop thinking of those very very economically and socially backward Jats



Cheers!

[jitendershooda]

Thats a classical example of whinning about unneccassry things like fake ids as aliens will crash the earth.
Again, can you rule up the 'real ones' sir, for 'real interests'? and How?

Dear members,
Reservation for jats in Haryana is a current topic which is there because of obvious reasons like our community in UP, Rajasthan and Delhi is already there in this quota scheme. Now Gujjars are there to raise the issue and sentiments.Why not if they have got it and Gujjars are fighting for it. So its our turn. But is it really a big gain or falling prey to politicians. It really needs to be looked at.
Now there are calls for embibing the Gujjars, the Bainsla...I personally feel its degrading for me and my community,If you have to take Gujjars as leaders and follow them for our struggle for anything, whatever it is. I have got "n" number of great achievers and fighters in my own community. This cheap and ugly work of Gujjars can never match them in any way. The list is very long but to name a few....Ch Gokul, Ch Churamal, Raja Badan Singh, Maharaja Surajmal, Maharaja Jawahar Singh, Raja Mahender Pratap, Baba Teja, Ch Charan Singh, Ch Devi Lal, Mirdha's. I just named a few happened to follow the same religion which i do and there are great names like Maharaja Ranjit Singh types with whom i can connect with the Jat blood and we all should be proud, he is the only name who conquered Kabul and the muslim jats are doing extremely well in Pakistan also. When Pakistan came into being, Jats were in very bad state but recently, they are a force to reckon with. President Tarar, Pervez Illahi, Sujjat Hussain are the few names which we are familiar with. And, Gujjars have got none and they stand true to their reputation as on date also. so, lets change the model, we really cant afford to follow them. When we roam around in the Indian society the tag itself is not suitable to our reputation. How many of us have close friends with such reputation.

Now if we are really thinking about the reservation then lets go for some rough statistics.
1) Whats the total population of jat in Haryana as on date.
2) Whats the total %age of Jats in Haryana as on date.
3) As per reservation quota what catagory do we expect to fall.
4) What will be the total %age reservation for us as reserva catagory in all catagories. For ex; Class A,B,C,D.
5)Total no. of jobs as per its catagory, rough idea.
6) Total no. of reservation for all kinds of educational institutes.
I request if any of us has got that idea, it should be shared with all before we talk about the reservation.

Now if you talk of castes which are already reserved for the quotas. I doubt if their financial and social portions have improved as a whole. We have got examples in front of us like SC's of Haryana. there are very few families who have been enjoying this status and majority of them are still in the same rut. And this previlidged class amongst them has distanced from them. Hope we dont create such a class among us.
This is the time for jobs and opportunities in private sector and we should train ourself for that. I personally feel, asking for such a segregation from the main stream will put us to a great disadvantage as any such categorisation will be taken as a step which will put us in line of less deserving and opportunists. The mainstream will not give us a due chance and the most coverted characteristic that is self-respect because as we might have already bargained it. Kindly look at all these things.

With regards,
Rajender Singh

Dear Rajender ji

I mostly agree on what you have written but still have some apprehension about those left out candidates and families who couldn't make it in the General list and their condition is worse than BC's in many cases.

Although I am not fully aware of the reservation mechanism but think that participants compete for dual category. I mean BC's, who gained seat in General quota wouldn't be counted in as BC for this purpose and these are the additional seats go to BC's. Therefore General category candidates are at disadvantage. I don't know, I may be wrong but can't stop thinking of those very very economically and socially backward Jats



Cheers!

The main problem with Jatland is that the old threads with good discussions are earthened after some time. New members come and start afresh discussions. Devender has asked some times back that there should be one thread of similar kind of things. I was not happy with it for humour but except that this would be beneficial. No member got time or those mindset again and other members also sometimes dont find answers to their queries.

Rajender ji, please have a look at the following reply of mine last year to similar kind of discussion. Shahpurush banne mein kuch na hai ... apne itihas ki duhai dete dete hum kab tak aage badh panege ... jo badh gae hein wo theek hai aur jo jat peechein hein unki mati-paleet hai aaj ke time pe. Kiss terah se mehanat karne wale bacche rahe jate hein iska ek example hai niche wale thread mein. I did analysis of last PMT rohtak results and please read the stunning benefit that YADAVs got. You have said that you didnt find any difference in SC status in Haryana .,.... dear sir .... Yadavs got kingdom like we people in history ... they are landlords .. they are decendents of Bhagwan ... they are in BC .... WHY??

Had there was such a big churn in thoughts like we JATs are doing .... they were all of one MAT on that ... as they see benefit of fellow yadavs and also of the well status ones. Looking at this post we can find out that


"Total Number Of seats
MBBS 200
BDS 60


BC-B Number of Seats
11%
MBBS 22
BDS 6.6

Kindly see the attachment for the details along with the ranks and numbers ... for what and how the benefit comes to Yadavs

Benefits (Due to being in BC-B and else they would not have got)
12 Doctors (8 MBBS, 7 BDS)
3 MBBS else they would be BDS
6 Will get the college of choice
750 Rs per candidate on fees
May be some advantage in fees also during the course

Let suppose 10-20% of my analysis is wrong,

even then will it be a benefit to the community or a dent on our image?"

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=138955&postcount=48

Deshwal ji and Samar bhai please go through the below thread and hope you will have most of your queries answered. Indeed a healthy discussion happened there which can be taken more farther ...

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340

Also I wish to carry on this reservation discussion on the same thread again by un locking it and if possible make it sticky as this is the main topic of concern for jats these days.

[ranjitjat]

http://www.jatland.com/forums/search.php?searchid=413381

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340&highlight=reservation


http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340&highlight=reservation&page=5


How To Get It- Reservation Must ?
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...rvation&page=2

http://www.jatland.com/forums/search...5&pp=25&page=7


RESERVATION-MUST.HOW TO GET IT??????????
Dear friend since you started this topic.jats got the reservation in Rajshthan, up, mp,Delhi etc how to get it in haryana ,panjab.hp. J&k etc /???????????????????
reservation is going to stay for long time. weather we like it or not, for or against. All jats must get it to survive, no other way


Dear friends this was my Q on 22 March 2002 and I am repeating thia again. This is my view now and also on that day.
There are 7 pages of 300 threads on this subject on this site.
this will not be last- Good for time pass.
Jat ko Samjhana bhagwan ky kahbu sy bhi bahar hae.
I was part of the DR Gayanparkash Pilaniya team in Rajsthan resevation movement. I was invited by Dr GhasiRam Verma and his team to Sanghariya to help in this movement. We made a solid plan for a peaceful movement.
Unity on ground level and on public platform.
We used mass media and pressure from all over world. We got resevation by very peaceful- Democartic way.
Why we can not do in Haryana now.
We asked every CM from Haryana. We asked on 13 March 2005 to CM Haryana Hooda Sahib
in International Jat Conference inNew Delhi.
Hooda Sahib ny Kahan koe mujh ko Iska fayda batlade- Samjha dae to Bat karengy.
Hamne kaha Jab Rajsthan-UP- MP- Delhi ky Jatoo ko benefit mil raha tao
Haryana ko Perhej kuon hae. Yah DR Pilanaya sahib Benefit Samjha dengy.
Aur kase milega Yah bhi Samjha dengy- aur AP 5 Yrs CM bhi aram se Bane rahogy/
har Jagah Politics chalti hae-
Jab Hooda sahib opposition thae 1999- Khud resevation support kar han.
Depender Ky liye Aur uske Father ky liye Ak to yahi Kam hae
unka statement yad dela raha hun

Jats in Haryana OBC status, says Hooda

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web.../ige23105.html
Give Jats in Haryana OBC status, says Hooda
EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE


CHANDIGARH, Oct 22: Haryana Congress president Bhupinder Singh Hooda today demanded OBC status for Jats, Jat Sikhs, Bishnois, Tyagis and Rors.
In a statement here, Hooda said there should be no discrimination against Jats in Haryana when they had been accorded the OBC status in Rajasthan and Delhi.

He added that the Gurnam Singh Commission had recommended inclusion of Jats, Jat Sikhs, Bishnois and Rors in the list of OBC. The HPCC president asked Haryana Chief Minister Om Parkash Chatuala to clarify his stand on the recommendations of the commission.

"Chautala must inform whether he will accord the OBC status to these communities," he said.

He also congratulated Rajasthan Chief Minister Ashok Gehlot and the Delhi Chief Minister for taking positive steps by conferring OBC status on Jats in their states.

Copyright © 1999 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.
__________________
Dear Rakesh and all . I have written enough on Jat reservation.
Now the time for action.

Dear Jitander you are right.
We have discuss this topic in 1000 threads before.
Bat yah hae ki Jab mae India mae tha. Ch. Hawa Singh Sangwan aur Col Harpat Singh Bhiwani mae hamare ghar aaye- Reservation ky bare mae
khul kar lambi bat chit chale. Jind rally ky bare mae help aur suggestion magne lagy. Tribune office mae bhi mile. Kaha Aarakshan ky bare me kuch articles likho. mane kaha 7 yrs sy jatland aur internet per hamne bahut kuch
likh raha hae. uska print out nikal kar- Indian media mae mere nam sy press mae dae do. Rakhesh sy bat huye- Col Harpat singh ky ladke ny bhi USA sy net per search ki- inko vah link nahi mila.
Abhi Rakesh ny yahan ees thread mae yah topic uthaya to mane yah link
yahan likh di- so abh yahi per discussion saru ho gaye hae.
Maj. Rajender Singh ny Rajasthan Aarakshan mae kam kiya hae.
inko sari history ka pata hae.
yah tao kuch points clear karna chahte han.
that is good for all. bahas honi chahiye.
but we have enough discussion. need of the hour is positive action.

[Samarkadian]

Its quite ironical for me to think this way but here it is which is evident and factual ,' Learned Jat Historians are incapable of envisioning the future of the race except blindly following reservation in Haryana[Nearby states as well] as a redeem for unity and well being.'

Irnoy is that they are very good about past still unlearned abt future.But I'm dangerouly optimistic.

Dnt fire at me without apt logic, rational and action plan.Period.

[raka]

Dear Jitander you are right.
We have discuss this topic in 1000 threads before.
Bat yah hae ki Jab mae India mae tha. Ch. Hawa Singh Sangwan aur Col Harpat Singh Bhiwani mae hamare ghar aaye- Reservation ky bare mae
khul kar lambi bat chit chale. Jind rally ky bare mae help aur suggestion magne lagy. Tribune office mae bhi mile. Kaha Aarakshan ky bare me kuch articles likho. mane kaha 7 yrs sy jatland aur internet per hamne bahut kuch
likh raha hae. uska print out nikal kar- Indian media mae mere nam sy press mae dae do. Rakhesh sy bat huye- Col Harpat singh ky ladke ny bhi USA sy net per search ki- inko vah link nahi mila.
Abhi Rakesh ny yahan ees thread mae yah topic uthaya to mane yah link
yahan likh di- so abh yahi per discussion saru ho gaye hae.
Maj. Rajender Singh ny Rajasthan Aarakshan mae kam kiya hae.
inko sari history ka pata hae.
yah tao kuch points clear karna chahte han.
that is good for all. bahas honi chahiye.
but we have enough discussion. need of the hour is positive action.
uncleji,kya aap jind rally m gaye thhey, aap rally sey pahle Ch.Hawa Singh Sangwan aur col.Harpat Singh kay sath kin kin gaon mey gayethhey logo ko samjaney, kitney log waha pahuchey,rally kay baad kaya planning ki aagey kay liye.
kuchh log kahate hain kya fayeda hain iss arakshan ka, main to kahta hu ki hum log aur logo sey jyada saksham hain har kaam mey, par ye aarakshan to gurilla war hain aaj kay time mey choudhar paney kay liye.jat to gurilla war mey mahir hain .main to ek baat puchhana chahunga ,jaise aapne kaha ki 7 saal sey yaha iss topic par discussion chal rahi hain,iss discussion kay baad kitne log rally\jalsey mey gaye ya kadham uthhaye iss on line kay illawa.

[ranjitjat]

uncleji,kya aap jind rally m gaye thhey, aap rally sey pahle Ch.Hawa Singh Sangwan aur col.Harpat Singh kay sath kin kin gaon mey gayethhey logo ko samjaney, kitney log waha pahuchey,rally kay baad kaya planning ki aagey kay liye.
kuchh log kahate hain kya fayeda hain iss arakshan ka, main to kahta hu ki hum log aur logo sey jyada saksham hain har kaam mey, par ye aarakshan to gurilla war hain aaj kay time mey choudhar paney kay liye.jat to gurilla war mey mahir hain .main to ek baat puchhana chahunga ,jaise aapne kaha ki 7 saal sey yaha iss topic par discussion chal rahi hain,iss discussion kay baad kitne log rally\jalsey mey gaye ya kadham uthhaye iss on line kay illawa.


Sonepat, June 1
Representatives of 27 Jat organisations and pradhans of various khaps of Jats today formed a six-member committee to constitute a 15-member Jat arakshan sangharsh samiti to launch a campaign in support of their demand of reservation for Jats in OBCs.

The six-member committee will be headed by former Chief Justice D.S. Tewatia.

The other members of the committee are Kanwal Singh Pradhan, Col Maher Singh Dahiya (retd), Mangeram Sangwan, Ranbir Singh Malik and Udey Singh Dalal, former MLA.

After the meeting here in Chhoturam Dharamshala, which was jointly organised by the World Jat Aryans Foundation, New Delhi, and the Rastriya Surveer Jat Akta Aour Samjhota Manch, Haryana, the working president of the foundation Col O.P. Sindhu (retd) said the committee would hold a meeting on June 3 to finalise the names of the sangharsh samiti.

The samiti members, including members from Delhi Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan, would go to villages in Haryana to seek public support and create awareness among the Jats about their demand, he added.

Tewatia said the demand for reservation for Jats in OBCs justified on the pattern of other castes like Gujjars and Ahirs as the Jats were socially backward in comparison to other upper castes.
DEAR RAKESH JIND RALLY KY VAD YAH HUWA HAE.
7- 70 YRS TAK BHI NET PER LIKHTE RAHO
KUCH NAHI HONA- UNITY AUR ACTION KY BINA.

[ranjitjat]

Its quite ironical for me to think this way but here it is which is evident and factual ,' Learned Jat Historians are incapable of envisioning the future of the race except blindly following reservation in Haryana[Nearby states as well] as a redeem for unity and well being.'

Irnoy is that they are very good about past still unlearned abt future.But I'm dangerouly optimistic.

Dnt fire at me without apt logic, rational and action plan.Period.
WHAT ABOUT NARESH KADIAN.?
WHO HAS STARTED THIS THREAD
FOR GOD SAKE SPARE THIS THREAD AND JAT HISTORIANS

[ranjitjat]

Its quite ironical for me to think this way but here it is which is evident and factual ,' Learned Jat Historians are incapable of envisioning the future of the race except blindly following reservation in Haryana[Nearby states as well] as a redeem for unity and well being.'

Irnoy is that they are very good about past still unlearned abt future.But I'm dangerouly optimistic.

Dnt fire at me without apt logic, rational and action plan.Period.

dear all
Samar use to chat with from Ireland at night. when he came from india-lonely soul.
He used to say you are my rolemodel. I have read all your books.
when I realise person is not honest- not in India this time-.
I ignored him few time.
sence than he made it personal. start panga with me on jathistory and jat education group at yahoo and other sites. I ignored him on jatland. put he is taking panga and making personal for reason known only to him. I can not think a person can go so low.
bhai yah thread reservation ka- Naresh kadian ny saru kiya hae.
koe problem hae to uss ka seer phod.
Dudee sy panga kis bat ka.
Hamne jo likhna tha likh diya.
kisi ky pass- naya vision-mission ho vah maan ki nikal lo.
personal attack kis bat ka.

[ranjitjat]

CM HARYANA SUPPORTING ST FOR GUJARS

BUT NO FOR JATS.

GUJAR KY LIYE AARAKHSAN SAHI HAE- JAT KY LIYE NAHI
REASON- RAJASTHAN MAE BJP SARKAR.

JAB CM SAHIB- HARYANA MAE -MLA THY
JAB JATS KY LIYE AARAKSAN SAHI THA.

REASON- CHAUTALA SARKAR

JAB AGLE ELECTION MAE HAR JAYEGY.
JASA KI 18 MONTHS MAE HONA HAE .

PHER DUWARA JATS KY LIYE
RESERVATION KI MANG KARGY.

DUSRI BAT YAH JADU KI PUDIYA-
GUJAR -MEENA-YADAV-MALI
AUR DUSARE KISAN-FARMER

KY LIYE RAMDEV KI RAMVAN HAE
TAO JAT KY LIYE JAHAR KASE HAE.

JAT KO DUSMAN KI JARURAT NAHI.

SAMAJ KY KAM MAE JO RODA AATKATA HAE
LEGS PULLING KARTA HAE.
USKO LOG RASTE KA RODA
AUR KHUNTATHOK KAHTE HAN.

ASE LOGO KI JAT KAUM MAE KAMI NAHI HAE.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080606/haryana.htm
Bandh in support of Gujjars


Hisar, June 5
Shops and other business establishments remained closed today in response to a bandh call given by various Gujjar organisations to express solidarity with the agitating Gujjars of Rajasthan.

Teams of youths on motor cycles went around the main markets early in the morning to enforce the bandh call. They forced shopkeepers in streets also to put up the shutters.

Government offices, banks and other such establishments, however, functioned normally. There was no disruption of traffic anywhere in the town. However, the call evoked no response in Hansi, a subdivisional town 25 km from here. No untoward incident was reported.

Panipat: Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda on Thursday visited family members of the two persons who were killed in the recent police firing in Pattikalyana village during the Gujjar protest.

Expressing his condolences, the Chief Minister said he had sympathies with the families of Kuldip and Papan, who were killed on May 29.

He said the firing incident was unfortunate. He said the probe ordered into the circumstances that led to the incident was likely to be completed soon and appropriate action would be taken against those found guilty.

He made an appeal for peace.

Some villagers demanded that the state government should support the cause of the Gujjars. The Chief Minister said he had always backed the Gujjar community and would continue to do so in future. He said if the BJP government in Rajasthan had promised reservation for the state’s Gujjar community, it should fulfil its promise.

[devdahiya]

Savan Ke Andhhe Hein Ye Logg.........useless People On Helm.....u R Bang On Target.

[narenderkharb]

CM HARYANA SUPPORTING ST FOR GUJARS

BUT NO FOR JATS.

GUJAR KY LIYE AARAKHSAN SAHI HAE- JAT KY LIYE NAHI
REASON- RAJASTHAN MAE BJP SARKAR.

JAB CM SAHIB- HARYANA MAE -MLA THY
JAB JATS KY LIYE AARAKSAN SAHI THA.

REASON- CHAUTALA SARKAR

JAB AGLE ELECTION MAE HAR JAYEGY.
JASA KI 18 MONTHS MAE HONA HAE .

PHER DUWARA JATS KY LIYE
RESERVATION KI MANG KARGY.

DUSRI BAT YAH JADU KI PUDIYA-
GUJAR -MEENA-YADAV-MALI
AUR DUSARE KISAN-FARMER

KY LIYE RAMDEV KI RAMVAN HAE
TAO JAT KY LIYE JAHAR KASE HAE.

JAT KO DUSMAN KI JARURAT NAHI.

SAMAJ KY KAM MAE JO RODA AATKATA HAE
LEGS PULLING KARTA HAE.
USKO LOG RASTE KA RODA
AUR KHUNTATHOK KAHTE HAN.

ASE LOGO KI JAT KAUM MAE KAMI NAHI HAE.



Very True.

[narenderkharb]

Things are moving at a rapid pace at the ground level now.

A second meting of representative of all Jat organisation was held in Gurgaon at the residence of Retired Chief Justice DS Tewatia.

A decision to submit the memorandum by 13 of June was taken in this regard.

A unanimous decision by all Jat organisation was taken that we will support only that political party who will get us reservation .Since Congress is already in power a delegation will meet CM Saheb and put its demand in front of him.Jats expressed hope that Hudda Saheb might not have forgotten his own demand raised earlier for reservation of Jats under OBC category.

A detailed programme of meeting at District and Khap level was chalked out to create people awareness regarding their demands.

A Special emphasis was given to keep movement peaceful and strictly as per constitutional norms.

Out of a committee of 51 members selected all over India three members are active members of Jatland site (including one of its moderator).

So Jatland is having its impact on ground level politics now .:cool:


Dudee Saheb

A spark which you ignited at Bhadurgarh rally is turning out to be a big fire slowly .

We are and will be grateful for your efforts and passion.


Regards.

[ranjitjat]

Things are moving at a rapid pace at the ground level now.

A second meting of representative of all Jat organisation was held in Gurgaon at the residence of Retired Chief Justice DS Tewatia.

A decision to submit the memorandum by 13 of June was taken in this regard.

A unanimous decision by all Jat organisation was taken that we will support only that political party who will get us reservation .Since Congress is already in power a delegation will meet CM Saheb and put its demand in front of him.Jats expressed hope that Hudda Saheb might not have forgotten his own demand raised earlier for reservation of Jats under OBC category.

A detailed programme of meeting at District and Khap level was chalked out to create people awareness regarding their demands.

A Special emphasis was given to keep movement peaceful and strictly as per constitutional norms.

Out of a committee of 51 members selected all over India three members are active members of Jatland site (including one of its moderator).

So Jatland is having its impact on ground level politics now .:cool:


Dudee Saheb

A spark which you ignited at Bhadurgarh rally is turning out to be a big fire slowly .

We are and will be grateful for your efforts and passion.


Regards.

Dear Narender thank you for the information.
I am glad the spark become big fire now.
JAT Aaraksan ki bhyankar Aandhi aayegy
movement ki aag sare desh mae fal jayegi

positive peaceful action on groundwill bring positive result.
I am self made person.
our best wishes are always with my country,
my people and Jat kaum.

What is greatness here is one example.

I was talking to DR. Ghasiram Verma yesterday.
He send me some books on his life.
I asked him some suggestion on reservation for jats of Haryana.

pahle bat jo kahi- Mae Ghasi Ram bol raha hun.

itna mahan admi aaj bhi apne ko ghasiram kahta hae.

Aarakhsan per kaha-
Jatoo ko Aaraksan Chautala ny
hi dae dena chahiye tha. yah uski galti hae.

Mane kaha Abhi Hooda sahib bhi nahi dae rahe.

Ghasi Ram ji ny kaha- Yah double Galti- Galta hae.

Jats ko Jat CM resevation nahi dega tao kun dega.

aage kaha 9 ko Mason Ohio aaraha hun
pher details mae aaraksan per bat karegy

We all AJa- chapters Jat Sabha all over
the world passing resolution to support
reservation for jats in Haryana.
Fax Copy will go to PM of India
CM Haryana and other concerning persons
to support this peaceful people movement.

[ranjitjat]

Savan Ke Andhhe Hein Ye Logg.........useless People On Helm.....u R Bang On Target.

thank you Dev Sahib for your support
Aankho per bhi chasme
Akal per bhi Chaseme
aur Saman bhi Najdik hae
Election bhi Najdik aa raha hae

[raka]

thank you Dev Sahib for your support
Aankho per bhi chasme
Akal per bhi Chaseme
aur Saman bhi Najdik hae
Election bhi Najdik aa raha hae
uncleji,ye chasme aale hi sabse pahele iss aarakshan ka faayeda unthhaenge,
iss aarakshan k liye 22 june ko sangwan khap k col Rishal singh saab ne panchyat bulai hain

[prashantacmet]

uncleji,ye chasme aale hi sabse pahele iss aarakshan ka faayeda unthhaenge,
iss aarakshan k liye 22 june ko sangwan khap k col Rishal singh saab ne panchyat bulai hain

THEEK KAHI AAPNE

[ranjitjat]

uncleji,ye chasme aale hi sabse pahele iss aarakshan ka faayeda unthhaenge,
iss aarakshan k liye 22 june ko sangwan khap k col Rishal singh saab ne panchyat bulai hain

good news Rakesh. you are right.
gotra -gaon galat batlane wale hi.
aaraksan ki line mae chasme badal kar
aagay milengy- per pakde jayengy.

Good luck to Sangwan Khap panchayat.
Sabhi Khaps ko Aaraksan ky liye
parastav pass kar dena chahiye
saravsamiti sy. Chasme walo ko
Akal ky aandho ko- aankh bandh karke
kholhuu mae jod dengy sari raat.

[snandal1]

Glad to see this post of yours, Dudi ji. Your efforts are commendable. I also visited Gurukul Jhajjar in early March and some photos of that place snapped by me are now avai