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satishsparp
May 6th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Dear Jatland Members,

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Jat in Afghanistan


<CENTER><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=590 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.

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(I contacted the Cultural and Information Minister of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Afghanistan</ST1:place></st1:country-region> here and enquired more about "Jat" but cud not get more information than what is available on below mentioned website)<O:p></O:p>

(http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/52.htm)

ravichaudhary
May 7th, 2008, 01:03 AM
Jat
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There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.


“ They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupation”


With the advent of the Islamic invasions, the resistance was basically put up by the Jats.


They naturally then became a hated people in Islamic literature and daily speech.

You will generally find this t be the case when you stuffy history works written by Islamic authors, read for example the works by Elliot and Dowson” History as told by its own Historians” which is a collection of historical manuscripts by Islamic Historians.

In the areas taken over by Islam, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, parts of West Pakistan, Jats are referred to in derogratory terms.

That being the case, we need to refer back to why that is the case- it is because the jats put up most of the resistance to the invaders.


What we are doing , is on a continuous basis, is to remove such misconceptions of the Jats.

To do that one, needs to get a knowledge of our history and culture.


That is best done by reading about our history in books, and web site like this one.

It is an ongoing effort.

Best of luck

Ravi Chaudhary

cooljat
May 7th, 2008, 11:13 AM
Hi,

There is a big province named 'Takhar' in Afganisthan!
I wonder if its related to Takhar Gotra Jats...

Ravi uncle & Burdak uncle wud plz shed some light on it...


Thanks!


Rock on
Jit

lrburdak
May 7th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Takhars have been mentioned in Mahabharata Bhisma Parva shloka 66 as under:

शूद्राभीराद दरदाः काश्मीराः पशुभिः सह

खशिकाश च तुखाराश च पल्लवा गिरिगह्वराः ।। 66 ।।

Afghanistan was important area during Mahabharata periods.

Takhars existed at that time and also now. We do not have any inscription which tells direct connection.

There is a mathematical way of proving the things. We can assume that they are related unless otherwise proved. So if no body can prove that they are not related we can say they are related. You have to go deep to prove direct relations. We have collected many info from various sources on Jatland Wiki. see http://www.jatland.com/home/Takhar

You can conclude from this article. It shows movement from northwest to India.

Regards,

lrburdak
May 8th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Again we find mention of Burdaks in the form Wardak وردګ (Pashtoپښتو‎/ wardak vardag vardak, Hindi:(वरडक)) which is one of the thirty-four provinces of Afghanistan. It is in the centre of the country. Its capital is Meydan Shahr. Chaki Wardak (also known as Chak) is a district in the south of Wardak Province, Afghanistan.The records of Kushan ruler Havishka have been unearthed at Wardak, to the west of Kabul.[RC Majumdar: An Advanced History of India, Page 116, ISBN 0333 90298 X] Bhim Singh Dahiya has mentioned about an inscription of Wardak near Kabul of the year 51 of Saka era (129 AD), which relates the establishment of the relic of Lord Buddha in a stupa by Vagramarega who is shown as a scion of Kama Gulya. Here it is related with clan name Gulya of the Jats. [Bhim Singh Dahiya:"Jats: The Ancient Rulers", p.41] Wardak is associated with the history of Burdak Jat clan.

ravichaudhary
May 9th, 2008, 02:43 AM
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Takhars existed at that time and also now. We do not have any inscription which tells direct connection.

There is a mathematical way of proving the things. We can assume that they are related unless otherwise proved. So if no body can prove that they are not related we can say they are related. You have to go deep to prove direct relations.

Regards,


Burdakji


We all appreciate your hard work

However this sort of reasoning is not exactly logical, and will do us harm.

One hopes this is not what you meant

Ravi Chaudhary