censorship and jatland

[varuntomar]

it is very unfortunate that the moderators seem to have removed the entire thread " Are jats really brave?"

what is the point in having discussions if there have to be censorship......enough was said about a members inappropriate use of language and if a debate was seemingly getting hot that didn't call for measures like this........censorship is understandable in cases which are very offensive........but removing an entire thread doesn't make any sense.......actions like these defeat the very purpose of fair discussion.........

regards

Varun Tomar

[ndahiya]

Varun

I'm given to understand that the thread had veered off course rather badly and one of the mods decided to take it off. Considering what had become of the thread, this was the right thing to do.

You should appreciate that the mods have only limited time during the day to monitor things on a post-by-post basis.

I think relevant parts of the thread can be "restored" after a couple of days... Lets let this matter cool down, and the discussion can then continue.

And then, you might also like to think of the moderation versus the free-for-all debate! We think there is a reasonable balance here...

Nitin

[rkumar]

Dear friends,

With the growing membership and divergent views of members its high time that we have a rule book for membership. The rules can be debated. I suggest the following. Members can amend or add into my list;

1. There should be method of checking the real identity of the member before he/ she is allowed to have his/ her say on the Jatland. Account of the new member should be activated only when his/ her identity is verified. Let site managers work out the methods of verifying the identity.

2. Let Moderators have a method of deciding if an article is offensive in nature right from the time it is posted. However, if some member feels that the offensive material is still ON, he/ she can write an open letter to the site managers.

3. There will always be difference of views on any topic as we all have our own convictions. I personally feel that views of any legimate member should not be removed except editing the abusive/ threatening portion of the post. However, original views expressed (including abuse and threatening language) should be kept stored, in case need arises to use it for any legal or other action in future.

Regards
Rajendra

[varuntomar]

As the modern world realises how censorship is passe, it is really sad to see senior members like rajendra ji vouching for it.....

freedom of expression is a gift unique to man.....but free speech has often received flak from people who have their own agendas to follow.......we have seen censorship of press, entertainment media and so on and it doesn't make us healthier..........but now what rajendra ji proposes is an extension to what totalitarian governments have long practised, discouraging all sort of exhange of ideas that might put the govt. in a tight spot .......i guess the purpose of this site was to bring jats, from various fields, together.........but by censoring we defeat that very purpose..........i don't intend to defend anybody resorting to profanity.........but don't u think u are overreacting to remarks of some loony who probably doesn't even understand the import of his words........the way people have been behaving is like school kids do......fighting over small things and making issues out of nothing.......

if using words like arsehole( it is sad that somebody used that) can put people off balance,it really speaks very low of their maturity level........ i am not trying to defend satinder for his selection of words...... but a mature approach would have been to ignore him.........and i m sure many of the jatland members use such words while bantering their friends........i know u can't take this liberty with people who are not good friend of urs and not in your age group......satinder's lack of propriety was uncalled for.........but what is more unfortunate is the stand taken by some of the members and demands for censoring of posts........

why do some people act sanctimonious and keep bickering about petty issues.......well as matter of fact most of the regular member on this site use their real identity and when we post something here it speaks a lot about the kind of person we are .........so why don't we let it be and let every man be for himself.......

why do u unnnecessarily increase trouble for the moderator.........let the free word be its own guarantee........

i hope that jatland continues the way it is.....

we need no censorship....

regards
Varun Tomar

[rkumar]

Dear Varun,

At no stage I have propsed anything you are talking here. All I have said is that the person's identity must be known. If you read my posts on Jatland.com, I have never gone against anyone because of the filthy language used against me. I raised my voice only when some one threatend me and tried to silence me by force. I am not sure if you have read what all that guy Tomar has written here, but I have taken prints of everything for my personal records. Let me make it loud and clear once again to remove all doubts from the minds of any one...Don't hide behind fake identities...post your real pictures and your real names on Jatland along with your real emails and not yahoo type of fake emails.. A person who can not identify himself,has no rights to express his/her views and get away with filthy language...This is Jatland and not some yahoo chat room. I requested moderators very clearly not to remove any post of that gentleman. I am sure moderators can testify that and many of the members who happend to read what all he wrote and I wrote in response. Ofcourse I have the original copy of everything with me and if required I can post it myself once again for the benifit of all those who have not read it. Censorship is a two way arrangement. How can one ask of free expression of views when he/ she is not willing to disclose his/ her identity and display his/ her face ?

Rajendra

[varuntomar]

[quote]

2. Let Moderators have a method of deciding if an article is offensive in nature right from the time it is posted. However, if some member feels that the offensive material is still ON, he/ she can write an open letter to the site managers.

[unquote]

Sir this is what u wrote, and i suppose this is demanding censorship

regards

[scsheorayan]

Dear Rajender ji, Varun ji and other members.
We all have the privileges and responsiblities. One can not last without other. There are more than two thousand members and all are free to offer opinion, advice or comments to any one that is a privilege. Irrespective of Whether that advice is taken we have the responsiblity of maintaining decent environment in our virtual family. Moderators have taken the responsiblity of keeping objectionable material out. Understandably they can not possibly be watching 24/7 and if some otherwise objectionable posting does it make it to Jatland sooner or later when it is discovered corective action is called for.
All member and their suggestions are welcome.
It is your virtual home keep it as clean as you like to see it.

[rkumar]

Varun Tomar (Sep 03, 2004 11:04 p.m.):
[quote]

2. Let Moderators have a method of deciding if an article is offensive in nature right from the time it is posted. However, if some member feels that the offensive material is still ON, he/ she can write an open letter to the site managers.

[unquote]

Sir this is what u wrote, and i suppose this is demanding censorship

regards

Eaxctly. This is what I suggested because language like ''Son of B****'', ''Sa*** tujhe dekh loonga.. tu kaise Muzzaffar Nagar paar kartaa hai"....etc is a threatening language and moderators have every right to remove such language. If in the name of freedom of speach one allows all sorts of language, then there is no end to it...I am for freedom of thoughts but not for issuing threats to members who do not agree to someone's view point. Jatland is visited by ladies and type of language which was used would not have left it with the reputation of a decent site to be logged ON.. Today its my mother ( a Tomar by the way) who was called B****, tomorrow it can be some lady member who will be called by the same name by some irresponsible character...So where will it end ? There are some norms and must be followed. If I don't fall in line with the views of some one, does not mean my mother was a B*****. Do you expect me to tolerate someone who calls me that way???? Anyway...these are my views..

Rajendra

[navingulia]

rajender sir,
u r absolutely right.
if that type of language is permitted on jatland, count me out of jatland.
i dont visit yahoo or any other chatroom, but i am regular here because some sensible discussion prevails here. if that ends my membership ends.
But from what i have observed, i see that the moderators definitely agree on decency.
But i am all for disclosing identity also, i dont want to talk to anyone who is not confident enough to disclose his own identity.

[raj2rif]

I agree with Mr. Navin Gulia.
It can't be a free for all language on this site.