Jats And Higher Education

[rkumar]

Dear frineds,

There was a time when wise members among the Jat community realised how important the education was for the upliftment of community and the result was that many Jat colleges came all over Jat hinter land, be it in Rohtak, Braut, Muzaffar Nagar and any where..Many Jat boys got benefited by the efforts of our visionary elders. Unfortunately the momentum got lost some where and we have not moved forward in creating educational infrastucture. Result is obvious. Our share in technical and professional education is very small. What ever share we have is all because of individual efforts. Private education is too expensive and majority of Jat boys or girs can not afford it. There is great need to start technical institutions where Jat boys from rural ares can be admitted. Time is running out for us Jats else we will be pushed further and further back from where we won't be able to come back...look at the sad plight of Jats when they are in the que for jobs as OTHER BACKWARD CASTS.....Ceratinly It pains me to be called OBC....Will some wise and selfrespected Jats rise to face the challenge and pull us out of this newly acquired status of OBC?????

[rkumar]

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Apr 01, 2003 09:58 p.m.):
Dear frineds,

There was a time when wise members among the Jat community realised how important the education was for the upliftment of community and the result was that many Jat colleges came all over Jat hinter land, be it in Rohtak, Braut, Muzaffar Nagar and any where..Many Jat boys got benefited by the efforts of our visionary elders. Unfortunately the momentum got lost some where and we have not moved forward in creating educational infrastucture. Result is obvious. Our share in technical and professional education is very small. What ever share we have is all because of individual efforts. Private education is too expensive and majority of Jat boys or girs can not afford it. There is great need to start technical institutions where Jat boys from rural ares can be admitted. Time is running out for us Jats else we will be pushed further and further back from where we won't be able to come back...look at the sad plight of Jats when they are in the que for jobs as OTHER BACKWARD CASTS.....Ceratinly It pains me to be called OBC....Will some wise and selfrespected Jats rise to face the challenge and pull us out of this newly acquired status of OBC?????

I posted this above message on 1st April 2003 and then monitored the memebrs views on what I wrote. I was some what surprised that no one commented at all though quite a few number of members read it. I then went on to read some similar topics posted in past and surprisingly there was not much of response or action. Topics are posted in so many numbers that many topics get pushed in the background very fast.

I was wondering if Jatland is just a Chaupal for exchanging and expressing the views or for some concrete action plan?

[ranjitjat]

Bhai Rajender ji
Welcome
It is jat chaupal. There are some serious people as well like you- but very few. They dishearten after some time & give up.
Bhai If you not mind
1 april to-april foolday hota hae.
2-Yah log 2 years sy appeal kar rahay han- app 2din mae result mag rahay hu.
TIL deak- TEAL KI DAR DEAK- ISAKANAM JATLAND- Yani jat guganda hae.
KAM KAM KARNA- ROLLA JAYDA MACHANA.
including me &ALL

[rkumar]

Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 03, 2003 11:59 a.m.):
Bhai Rajender ji
Welcome
It is jat chaupal. There are some serious people as well like you- but very few. They dishearten after some time & give up.
Bhai If you not mind
1 april to-april foolday hota hae.
2-Yah log 2 years sy appeal kar rahay han- app 2din mae result mag rahay hu.
TIL deak- TEAL KI DAR DEAK- ISAKANAM JATLAND- Yani jat guganda hae.
KAM KAM KARNA- ROLLA JAYDA MACHANA.
including me &ALL


Shukriya Dudee ji. It is important that there is some light stuff for fun and folly, but ceratinly some serious efforts must emerge from our interactions. For the information of all the members I am ceratinly the one who is going to carry out some serious community work, irrespective of whethere community supports me or not. I am already on the following jobs;

1. Cancer hospital project near Shamli
2. Cooperative Milk Project near Shamli
3. plans to start a Institute of Technology near Shamli ( this will have Bio-Technology, Dairy Technology, Computer Technology and some more cutting edge technologies). I know the tasks are not easy, but... nek niyat, manzil aasaan, jahan chah wahan rah....we have to move on Dudee ji...I am sure caravan ban jayega rah me....

Regards
Rajendra

[amanpoonia]

rajender uncle
i m very pleased with ur concern about our commounity but the real face of the problem is this that people who have the power to do anything r not interested in doing anything n also they dont let other interested people to do anytghing ,this problem cant be solved by indiviual we have to stand together to solve it .but what i would like to say dont give up .keep doing effeorts .if u can change even a single person then thats more then enough .its really hard to change people thinking n habbits .our people dont want to do anything .genearlly our boys after going to colleges start doing fights n choudrypan .i dont say they should do this as this a also a phase of life but they should be clear in their objective n they r missing their goal.what i believe change urself so that people living with u will automatically be effected.gerte hei maden mei shah savar hei ,vo kya gerge jo ghutno ke bal chalte hei
take care
aman

[ishwarlamba]

Rajendra Ji,
Dudee Sahib is very active social worker and he is just testing u.
Also I am very confident, as there are very very good people on this site who will help u.

Shamli Projects

Congratulations for starting very good projects.

I am from Sydney Australia and will like to help u in such a noble cause.

To start with, please contact following persons who are either local persons or have roots in the the local area:

Mr Sanjay Deshwal is a big businessman in Sydney Australia from a village near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: Sanjaydeshwal@hotmail.com (quote my reference)

Mr Alok Malik is a Software Manager in Melbourne, Australia and is from a village in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, e-mail: akumar@qantas.com.au, (his father is a retired Prof. in Mathematics and can help you also) (quote my reference).

Dr Sanjiv Kumar is senior scientist in Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Mumbai from village Savtoo near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: sanjivk@apsara.barc.ernet.in (member on Jatland, quote my reference)

Dr Om Pal Singh is very senior scientist as Head, Reactor Physics Division, IGCAR, Kalpakkam from a village near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: ompal@igcar.ernet.in (quote my reference)

Dr S. S. Taliyan is senior scientist with Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Mumbai from village in Meerut Dist E-mail: staliyan2apsara.barc.ernet.in (quote reference of Dr Sanjiv Kumar)

Dr Prem Vrat, Director IIT Roorkee, email: pvrat@iitr.ernet.in (quote my reference)

Dr R.S. Sirohi, Director IIT Delhi, e-mail: director@admin.iitd.ernet.in (quote reference of Dr Prem Vrat)

Dr J. B. Chaudhary VC, G. B. Pant Nagar University

Dr Ramesh Chander, VC, Meerut University

Dr Ishwar Singh, Meerut, practice at Begum Pul at Meerut, very successful doctor and visited Australia five years ago (quote my reference).

Lt General Niranjan Singh at Noida from a village in Dist Muzaffar Nagar (brother-in-law of Dr Ishwar Singh)

We are all proud of Jats like u.

Contact me on email: ishwar.lamba@eds.com

[rkumar]

Ishwar Singh Lamba (Apr 03, 2003 11:22 p.m.):
Rajendra Ji,
Dudee Sahib is very active social worker and he is just testing u.
Also I am very confident, as there are very very good people on this site who will help u.

Shamli Projects

Congratulations for starting very good projects.

I am from Sydney Australia and will like to help u in such a noble cause.

To start with, please contact following persons who are either local persons or have roots in the the local area:

Mr Sanjay Deshwal is a big businessman in Sydney Australia from a village near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: Sanjaydeshwal@hotmail.com (quote my reference)

Mr Alok Malik is a Software Manager in Melbourne, Australia and is from a village in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, e-mail: akumar@qantas.com.au, (his father is a retired Prof. in Mathematics and can help you also) (quote my reference).

Dr Sanjiv Kumar is senior scientist in Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Mumbai from village Savtoo near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: sanjivk@apsara.barc.ernet.in (member on Jatland, quote my reference)

Dr Om Pal Singh is very senior scientist as Head, Reactor Physics Division, IGCAR, Kalpakkam from a village near Shamli in Dist Muzaffar Nagar, E-mail: ompal@igcar.ernet.in (quote my reference)

Dr S. S. Taliyan is senior scientist with Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Mumbai from village in Meerut Dist E-mail: staliyan2apsara.barc.ernet.in (quote reference of Dr Sanjiv Kumar)

Dr Prem Vrat, Director IIT Roorkee, email: pvrat@iitr.ernet.in (quote my reference)

Dr R.S. Sirohi, Director IIT Delhi, e-mail: director@admin.iitd.ernet.in (quote reference of Dr Prem Vrat)

Dr J. B. Chaudhary VC, G. B. Pant Nagar University

Dr Ramesh Chander, VC, Meerut University

Dr Ishwar Singh, Meerut, practice at Begum Pul at Meerut, very successful doctor and visited Australia five years ago (quote my reference).

Lt General Niranjan Singh at Noida from a village in Dist Muzaffar Nagar (brother-in-law of Dr Ishwar Singh)

We are all proud of Jats like u.

Contact me on email: ishwar.lamba@eds.com

Thank you very much Lamba Sahib ji. I know few of the gentlemen myself personally. I have been to Sydney quite a few number of times times. Wish we would have known each other earlier. May be I will be again there in August 2003, though not yet final. I am a frequent visitor to London as well and will love to visit shri Dudee ji. I will keep the Jatland informed of the progress made in my mission and certainly would ask of help as and when I encounter problems. I am sure with the best wishes of all of you, I will reach to some point in my mission.

Regards
Rajendra

[ranjitjat]

Rajender Ji & LAMBA JI
Thank you very much for kind words.
Rajender ji you are doing very good community service- keep it up.
Many congratulations& best of luck in your projects.
You are welcome to visit us in London any time in future. We are also happy to know you.
As i told you there are very good people on this site & out side in our community- who are doing good service in their own way.

Sawami Omanand ji - no more with us today.
But he started a big cancer hospital at GURUKUL JHAJHHAR LAST YEAR- some of us already helping in this project - rest are welcome to join any time.
Some of us already started some educational projects in their own villages.

Good luck to you , LAMBA JI & ALL
GOD BLESS YOU ALL

[rkumar]

Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 05, 2003 12:16 p.m.):
Rajender Ji & LAMBA JI
Thank you very much for kind words.
Rajender ji you are doing very good community service- keep it up.
Many congratulations& best of luck in your projects.
You are welcome to visit us in London any time in future. We are also happy to know you.
As i told you there are very good people on this site & out side in our community- who are doing good service in their own way.

Sawami Omanand ji - no more with us today.
But he started a big cancer hospital at GURUKUL JHAJHHAR LAST YEAR- some of us already helping in this project - rest are welcome to join any time.
Some of us already started some educational projects in their own villages.

Good luck to you , LAMBA JI & ALL
GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Thank you Sir for the encouragement and kind words.

Regards
Rajendra

[sudheer166]

Dear rajendra ji


Congratulations for your constructive thinking about our community. For the upliftment of our community we need more and more peoples like you. My village (Ailum) is near shamli so it is matter of satisfaction and pleasure for me that good thing is happening for our peoples there.
Your milk cooperative and cancer hospital project are fine but
The technical institute may not be viable. In UP there are already more than 100 private engineering colleges. Most of them are located in noida, Ghaziabad and merrut.the quality of education provided by these institutes is far from satisfactory. Many of them have the situation of hand to mouth. There are two main reasons for this (1) good institutes prefer to go in government institutes like IIT, RECs and state engg colleges. And second reason is that the motive of these colleges is to make profit.
What our community need most is good education. There are already a lot of govt institutes that provides quality higher education. So our aim should be to send our children to these institutes. In Delhi University the share of students from faraway places like Bihar, orissa
And eastern UP is much more than our western UP and haryana.
Those places, which have high cultural diversity, provide more chance for its peoples to learn from each other’s varied experience. And offer more opportunity for growth. For example compare singapur with Bhutan on this basis. So when the students from our region will go to such all India institutes they will have more to chance to refine their personality.
So I would like to suggest you to open schools, which not only provides quality education but also prepares the students to qualify for institutes like IIT, AIIMS, NDA, CDS, etc. for this you can take franchise of DPS etc.
However if you are still want to open a technical institute then you should open a medical college in this region. There will be lot of peoples who may help you in this noble project.
Jat Mahasabha of shamli has decided to open a girl’s college in shamli. They have acquired 25 bighas of land for this. You may play a very important part in this project.
My best wishes are with you. I will pray to god that your dream become reality soon.

[rkumar]

Sudheer Panwar (Apr 10, 2003 04:26 a.m.):
Dear rajendra ji


Congratulations for your constructive thinking about our community. For the upliftment of our community we need more and more peoples like you. My village (Ailum) is near shamli so it is matter of satisfaction and pleasure for me that good thing is happening for our peoples there.
Your milk cooperative and cancer hospital project are fine but
The technical institute may not be viable. In UP there are already more than 100 private engineering colleges. Most of them are located in noida, Ghaziabad and merrut.the quality of education provided by these institutes is far from satisfactory. Many of them have the situation of hand to mouth. There are two main reasons for this (1) good institutes prefer to go in government institutes like IIT, RECs and state engg colleges. And second reason is that the motive of these colleges is to make profit.
What our community need most is good education. There are already a lot of govt institutes that provides quality higher education. So our aim should be to send our children to these institutes. In Delhi University the share of students from faraway places like Bihar, orissa
And eastern UP is much more than our western UP and haryana.
Those places, which have high cultural diversity, provide more chance for its peoples to learn from each other’s varied experience. And offer more opportunity for growth. For example compare singapur with Bhutan on this basis. So when the students from our region will go to such all India institutes they will have more to chance to refine their personality.
So I would like to suggest you to open schools, which not only provides quality education but also prepares the students to qualify for institutes like IIT, AIIMS, NDA, CDS, etc. for this you can take franchise of DPS etc.
However if you are still want to open a technical institute then you should open a medical college in this region. There will be lot of peoples who may help you in this noble project.
Jat Mahasabha of shamli has decided to open a girl’s college in shamli. They have acquired 25 bighas of land for this. You may play a very important part in this project.
My best wishes are with you. I will pray to god that your dream become reality soon.

I agree Sudheer with you. However, there are many specialised branches of tecnology and science which do not exist in UP technical institutes. Its like this...majority of nurses are from kerala, most mathematicians and scientists are from south...we have to some how reverse the balance subject wise. Mixing is certainly important. If we provide goo quality education, even boys from far away places can come the say way as our boys go to far away places like South. I know whole thing needs to debated. I am coordinating with authorities in the field and hopefully something concrete should emerge. Will keep you all posted.

Rajendra

[sudheer166]

Dear rajendra ji

You have rightly pointed out that this issue needs to be debated. A lot of peoples who will be part of this project may not be the members of this site. So canvass of the discussion should be as wide as possible. Before setting up any institute we have to ensure its financial visibility as well as its relevance in future. Those decisions, which are taken in haste, are bound to fail. Ideally there should be trust managed by persons of outstanding integrity and caliber. If person like pandit madan mohan malyiva can establish a magnificent university like BHU (spread over a area of 15 sq km) just from the donations of peoples then why can’t our community.

[reenakhatri]

Dear Rajinder Ji

It is very encouraging to see somebody use this forum for these type of discussion. I feel jats have excelled in all the fields wherever they have ventured. As on date the number of engineering college and other institution is going up leaps and bounds. But what is happening is that all boys/girls donot have the the ability to go in for higher education by higher education I basically mean graduation or post graduation in one of the the science subjects. these students either dropout after calss 10 or 12 or do simple ba etc.

Most of hese students call themselves unemployed but I from my personal experiance call them unemployable. the call of the hour is that these students be given some sort of training in skills which are in demand and there energy can be channelised in contributing constructively to the comminity. today with land holdings decreasing and increasing materialsitic requiremnts these boys are drifting towards criminal activity. It is quiet evident that in all crimes around Delhi Jat boys are involved. Ifeel if this trend can be arrested it wiil be abig service to the community. and this can be done by appropriate education in skills as per indviduals caliber

Regards

Rajinder Singh

[rkumar]

Dear Rajinder ji,

I am fully aware of the educational needs of rural masses. majority need education as a bread earning tool but some very intelligent ones need to be imparted higher education so that they can get us our due respect among the cream of qualified persons in the country. There are scores of technical skills which we can come out with and train our boys. We have to work at many levels before results are visible. My efforts will be to come out with courses which are current, in demand and ever green as far as employment opportunities are concerned. From time to time I will be posting my views and the actions here and will share what all I am doing in this field...

Rajendra

[shivshikha]

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Apr 01, 2003 09:58 p.m.):
Dear frineds,

There was a time when wise members among the Jat community realised how important the education was for the upliftment of community and the result was that many Jat colleges came all over Jat hinter land, be it in Rohtak, Braut, Muzaffar Nagar and any where..Many Jat boys got benefited by the efforts of our visionary elders. Unfortunately the momentum got lost some where and we have not moved forward in creating educational infrastucture. Result is obvious. Our share in technical and professional education is very small. What ever share we have is all because of individual efforts. Private education is too expensive and majority of Jat boys or girs can not afford it. There is great need to start technical institutions where Jat boys from rural ares can be admitted. Time is running out for us Jats else we will be pushed further and further back from where we won't be able to come back...look at the sad plight of Jats when they are in the que for jobs as OTHER BACKWARD CASTS.....Ceratinly It pains me to be called OBC....Will some wise and selfrespected Jats rise to face the challenge and pull us out of this newly acquired status of OBC?????

Rajendra Uncle,
It is indeed a very grave issue.You make a very good point. Also as you mentioned, you are quite involved in community work which is excellent because it is good to know that you and a few others are working towards making lives better.

Education is imperative for development of any society and I believe the seeds have to be sown at home. It is in the villages where I think we are most vulnerable. Illetracy in families , in most cases not all, gives rise to more illetracy. Often people think that if they own a lot of land , education isn't necessary !!!! And these values are passed on to the next generation. There is no environment of education, despite the money. Eventually, it comes back to bite you.

I think the biggest hurdle is the changing of this Thought process. It is our biggest enemy.Once a common villager realizes the importance of education he will try his best to instill these values in his children and so on. It will be a long and slow process . And this is a problem not just for Jats but the whole of rural India.

Then there is another scenario, a child wants to study but his parents cannot afford to send him to far off places for a fancy degree. In such cases the local technical colleges play a major role more so if they r close to villages. At least this way there is some hope for a better life, if not in this generation, maybe next.... I think all the influential, politically well connected jats need to play a role here, 'cause i think its the politicians who have the final say here...Please correct me if i am wrong!!!!

We all have the responsibilty and a role to play and the first lesson begins at home.

As for the acquired status of OBC , it is kind of shameful, not just because it stands for OTHER BACKWARD CASTES, but also because now many people ( not all, I am not generalizing) think, they don't have to work so hard because there is a quota for them and so ,that OBC mentality sets in. I frankly don't know how or why this OBC thing happened. Maybe it is really helping a few !!!! But if we think(who are pro OBC) getting an OBC status is going to solve our problems, we are mistaken.

Keep up your good work and if there is any help required do let me know.
SHikha

[scsheorayan]

Dear All,

It is heartening to know that once again the important topic of education is being discussed. It is also great news that some Jats are doing so much in this field. It surely will bear fruits and also be source of inspiration and pride to us all. The environment in the country is much different from what it was 50 years ago. At that time any one with a High School Certificate was almost guaranteed a decent job of teacher at least. Now it is harder even for graduates and post graduates to find reasonably rewarding job. Hence the push for OBC of which we all can be ashamed together. But considering overall situation it is only the tip of iceberg. The bigger problem is loss of our cultural values and love of material things which are becoming all important. Even with OBC or any other reservation there is a limit how many Govt. jobs are available. The need of hour is not any degree but job related courses which make students employable immedietly. That is some thing which needs to be high on priority the second one is ofcourse attitude. The expectations of graduates are sometimes overly ambitious which keeps them out of job market during their prime learning years because they are only interested in high profile jobs. In this area experienced people can guide younger generation in career development in various fields.

[rkumar]

Dear Shri Shubha Chand Ji,

There are lots of vocational cources which will give assured emplyment. I have many in mind which I want to start;

1. BSc Medical Imaging
2. BSc Medical Lab technology
3. Physiotherapy
4. BSc (OT Tehnology)

Apart from above I am planning to startn BSc and MSc in Bio-technology and PG Diploma in Bio Informatics. May be at later date the PhD in Biotechnology...

Rajendra

[scsheorayan]

Dear Rajender Kumar ji,

What about Nursing,pharmacist, electricians, mechanics etc. There are so many opportunities in the job market one has to do some research and look ahead.

Best Regards!

[sindhu]

Hi Everybody,

I think this is the right topic to discus on this plateform and a real concern for our community. There is no doubt our community is progressing with a great force in every field but there has to be much more than what we already have. I was going through the statictics about indian students in various institutes in USA and it was surprising that most of the students come from southern part of Indian and not from our belt. Why ? and Only a fraction of them are from our community. I find it very rare in any US university where more than 2 students are jats. Probably people have to be made aware, that there are more greener pastures abroad and how to trap these resources. There is no doubt talent is there but probably what lacks is awarenace. If this balance is tilted towards education then and only then we have a win-win situation.

Getting into OBC category or some other category is only a political plank which is not going to help much. Only a good education and hard work can help

The effort has to be made right from the grass root level. I think we sould make a special page on this site where people can post the available fellowships/ assistantships in various fields and how to make a successful application for higher education abroad.

I happen to visit couple of institutes in US and it is sometimes painful to find that no or few students on campus is from our community.

Sindhu


Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Jun 02, 2003 07:32 a.m.):
Dear Rajender Kumar ji,

What about Nursing,pharmacist, electricians, mechanics etc. There are so many opportunities in the job market one has to do some research and look ahead.

Best Regards!

[rkumar]

[quote]A S Sindhu (Jun 02, 2003 11:08 a.m.):
Hi Everybody,

I think this is the right topic to discus on this plateform and a real concern for our community. .........

Sindhu
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Fully agree with you Sindhu sahib. investment in education brings maximum returns. I know in my own case what it ment when my parents sent me overseas during the days when money was not so readily available..But still they saved every penny and paid for my education. When i lok at the investment they made and the returns it gave and still giving, is so massive.. If some one asks me what is the best investment, I always tell that its in education. Returns can be 1000 times or even million times.. I will say that we jats should take this as our top priority...else we are doomed...

Rajendra

[bnashier]

Indeed, the greatest service we can render to our community is to promote higher education.