jet vs Jat (Must read and write to Hidustan Times)

[rkumar]

Dear Friends,

Here is one article from Hindustan Times which you all must read and see in how much bad taste this has been writte. I have posted my protests to the news paper. Mr Vir Sangh(vi) lacks basic manners the way he writes and portryas Jats. Let us ask him if he ever wrote the casts of every person who he thinks misbehaved in public? Or this is one bania (mr Sanghvi) taking the side of another bania( Mr Goel of jet airways). How can we rely on the story against Mr Verma more so when one reads articles with such bias towards entire community.

Rajendra

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Sahib Singh: Jet vs Jat
Vir Sanghvi
New Delhi, March 31

Some of you with long memories may remember the case of Ramrao Adik. In the early 1980s, when Mr Adik was a minister in the Maharashtra government, he travelled abroad on an Air-India flight. As was his wont in those days, he drank a little too much on the plane and misbehaved with an air hostess.

Word of Mr Adik's behaviour reached India where it was front-paged by the newspapers. Indira Gandhi read the news items and was appalled. Once she had satisfied herself that the stories were accurate, she issued instructions to the Congress's Chief Minister of Maharashtra: Mr Adik was to be sacked from the cabinet forthwith.

The Chief Minister complied. A repentant Mr Adik announced that he was giving up alcohol and spent a period in the political wilderness.

Contrast this episode with the scene at Bombay airport last Tuesday ---- nearly two decades later.

Judging by what the newspapers have reported, what happened was this: Sahib Singh Varma, the feisty Jat who is a former Chief Minister of Delhi and is currently Union Labour Minister was on a Jet Airways flight bound for Delhi. Also on the flight were several other important people who were not in a very good mood, having missed their original connections because the special Air-India flight from South Africa (after the World Cup final) was late.

Tempers ran high and nerves were further frayed when the pilot announced that take-off would be delayed because of construction work on the runway which had led to congestion. By the time the flight had reached its take-off slot, there was a further problem: visibility was now so low that the plane could not take-off.

Passengers were frustrated and angered when the aircraft returned to its parking bay. Mr Varma was not just angry; he was also hungry. He demanded that the airline serve lunch while the aircraft was in the bay. The airline seems to have said that this was not possible and asked passengers to deplane and eat their lunch at the airport restaurant instead.

Jet Airways' refusal to serve lunch inside the aircraft seems to have angered Mr Varma beyond measure. Perhaps he thought that this would lead to a further delay or perhaps he is just a fan of airline plastic cutlery.

Anyhow, as passengers filed out in various states of irritation, Mr Varma refused to deplane. No, he said, he would not move. He would eat his lunch on the plane.

So far, so good.

There is something about air travel and about delays that brings out the worst in all of us. We hate sitting in aeroplanes only to be made to deplane and we loathe delays that throw our schedules out of gear.

Sadly, this is the modern world and we have to bear with such irritations.

But ministers operate under different rules.

And so, even as all the passengers went off for lunch, Mr Varma demonstrated his Jat tenacity (admirable in many other circumstances) by sitting tight and refusing to get off.

This is where the story gets ugly.

According to the Jet Airways staff, Mr Verma then began shouting at the Duty Officer who begged him to get off the plane. When the officer persisted, the minister used what we call maa-bahen ki gaali and punched him twice in the stomach.

A terrified Jet airways staff then sent for their Customer Relations Manager, a bright, attractive and poised lady who had dealt with Mr Varma's tantrums before. This time she had no luck. As she entreated him to leave the aircraft, Mr Varma first used foul language and then shoved her so that she hurt her back on the wall of the galley. The poor woman locked herself in the cockpit, fearing for her personal safety.

Another member of Jet Airways staff then tried to intervene to restrain the rampaging minister. Mr Varma noticed he had a Muslim name and then asked if Dawood had got him his job as Jet was Dawood's airline.

Eventually, Mr Varma did deplane, got into an Oberoi Flight Services jeep and drove off to the terminal. Later he boarded an Indian Airlines flight. Four points need to be made about this incident.The first is that air rage and passenger rage are global phenomena. All over the world, airline staff face abuse and assaults from enraged passengers. Most Western countries now have strict regulations about inflight behaviour. Anybody who did what Mr Varma did in Bombay would be locked up for a couple of years in the UK.

In India, nothing happened. Because Sahib Singh Varma is a minister.

The second point has to do with the treatment of professionals in our society. People don't always realize this but airline staff hate delays even more than passengers do. A delayed departure doubles their workload and puts them in the passenger firing line.

Many of us fail to recognise that no matter how annoying a delay or aborted take-off is, it is almost always never the fault of the ground staff who are asked to facilitate our movements or of the airhostesses. Yet, many Indians are unfailingly rude to airline staff. (On Indian carriers, that is. People who are tigers on Air-India or Jet Airways turn into mice when they travel by British Airways or Lufthansa.)

I always reckon that a good test of a person's character is how he or she treats people who can't hit back --- airline staff, waiters etc. In my opinion, people who behave badly with airhostesses or waiters are worse than scum. So you can judge how I feel about a powerful man who actually assaults a poor airline professional who is only doing his job.

The third is the politician factor. Too many ministers act as though they can get away with anything. In Indira Gandhi's time, somebody like Ramrao Adik was sacked on the spot. These days, standards are much more lax. Politicians act as though they are not only above the law ---- but as though they are above the normal rules of human decency.

To the credit of Atal Bihari Vajpayee, he called Sahib Singh Varma and demanded an explanation. No member of his cabinet, he said, would be allowed to get away with this.

Which brings me to the fourth point: the reason why Sahib Singh can and will get away with this.

On Wednesday, when he realised that the word of the incident had leaked to the media, Mr Varma launched a damage control operation. It is a sign of our times that he recognised that he didn't bother to need to persuade you or me. He could just threaten the airline.

Jet Airways is in a position where any Labour Minister can disrupt its industrial relations. It has also been under fire from rivals and enemies who have made unsubstantiated allegations of links with Dawood. So, Mr Varma squeezed on these two pressure points.

First he put it about that he would look at all the Labour Ministry files relating to Jet. Then, he contacted his colleague, Civil Aviation Minister Shahnawaz Hussain, the Mickey Mouse-lookalike whose tenure as Civil Aviation Minister is a blot on the record of this government. Mickey Mouse promptly ordered an inquiry into the 'mistreatment' of poor Sahib Singh. A ministry official flew to Bombay and spent hours interrogating the Jet Airways staff whom Mr Varma had assaulted. (Would Mickey have done all this if an ordinary passenger had complained? You knew the answer.)

Next, Sahib Singh pulled out all the discredited rubbish about Dawood's links with Jet. He was being targeted by the airline, he announced, because he wanted to investigate the relationship between Jet and Dawood.

And how had Jet targeted Jat? Presumably, the Duty Officer had attacked Sahib Singh's clenched fist with this stomach. Presumably, the Customer Relations Manager had offended the poor dear by allowing him to push her, across the galley.

No matter. The threats have had the desired effect. Nobody who runs a high-profile company in this country can afford to antagonise the government. Jet simply has too much at stake.

So, the airline has apologised to Mr Varma.

And Sahib Singh, in turn, has taken this apology to the Prime Minister. There you are, sir, he has said. I was the one being mistreated.

The entire story is enough to make your stomach churn. Things have now got to the stage where Indian politicians can abuse and assault professionals who are only doing their jobs. And if the professionals complain, it is the politicians who have the right to an apology!

It makes me want to throw up.

[sanjaychhikara]

It makes me want to throw up about the writer of this articles who dares to get the whole JAT community involved in the matter.

"And so, even as all the passengers went off for lunch, Mr Varma demonstrated his Jat tenacity (admirable in many other circumstances) by sitting tight and refusing to get off."

I think the writer doesnt no better on his baseless arguement.

[ranjitjat]

DEAR ALL
This is very unfortunate.
But we all know that Indian press media is anti- jats.
Nonica Datta articles on Jats & subhasani devi
Jahjjar DALITS INCIDENT
Articles on Maharaja Surajmal & so many other examples are there.
Until we do not have our press media- Tv channel.
This will go on.
Protest on personal level will not show positive result.
We must have our strong organigation
We must have unity
Take joint action in positive way
Cheers

[sansanwalamit]

it certainly is a very absurd article well we all know that the standard of journalism in India is already dilapdated and we cannot do much about it .....I mean Sahib Singh did this coz he is a man of power not because he is a Jat I mean how many Jats can do this ....it is all because he is a pwerful man and that can be anyone else too....and whereas my view is concerned of treating the crew like that......I think its pretty normal for someone of that m,uch power to behave like that ...I mean we all suffer form air rage and a powerful man can suffer also but his reaction would be different then rest of us ....

[amar0974]

Maar Latha Lelo us Writer (Sanghvi) na jisna yo likha sa. Nuka Baneye tana badi mer aaye Jet aalan key jo saara maamla Jaata a ta jod deya.

[sanjaychhikara]

Why is the Indian press media & other social groups like banias anti- jats?

I think they are just jalous about what the Jats achievd and what they ment for the Indian history and their fast uncoming nowadays.

[amanpoonia]

this is very bad n shows what kind of a sick mentality the writer has for JATS.i think we should write to hindustan times aganist it n better tell them in hard words that we wount tolrate this kind of nonsense .its better they feel soory about using words against the whole JAT COMMOUNITY.

[kharub]

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I believe he has not been in much Jat contact, otherwise he will refrain from such deragoratory allegations against the community.

Donot worry he will be taught his lesson very well and very soon.

[rkumar]

VJ Kharub (Apr 08, 2003 10:27 a.m.):


I believe he has not been in much Jat contact, otherwise he will refrain from such deragoratory allegations against the community.

Donot worry he will be taught his lesson very well and very soon.

Dear Mr Kharab,

We are all upset at this but let us not use words which implicate even his mother. Jats always respect women folk...I am all with you guys for any strong action you decide to take...Respect comes from the barrel of a gun after all...These guys having access to media ,does not mean they can write whatever they feel like.

Rajendra

[ishwarlamba]

I have sent following email to Mr Vir Singvi of HT and will expect all members to send an email to HT. If 1000 emails goes to HT, it will get attention of their management.
What is use of just showing our anger on this site and not writing to the newspaper. These newspaper editors think jats are not educated and hence they not their customers. We have to show them we are educated, we read newspapers and hence things will change for good. I will give following two incidents:
1. In 1990, Ch Devi Lal, Dy Prime Minister visited Australia. I went to the hotel to meet him and there in his office, I met two local Indian reporters (Mr Badhwar and Mr Malhotra).
I asked Mr Badhwar, why in Indian Link u write Jat Leader with Ch. Devi Lal and never write same as Punjabi Leader or a Bania Leader with other persons. He could not give an answer, but Mr Malhotra who was from a local radio said "Mirch Masala lagane se maga ata hai". I said by using Mirch Masala against muslims u made Pakistan and then using Mirch Masala against Sikhs u spoiled remaining Punjab. Please stop this for God sake. There were many IAS and IFS officers sitting there and they also said u are right.
2. My daughter Ruchi Lamba is working as a reporter for BBC in London. When she was reporter here in Sydney, a person came from India and said Ruchi Beta write an article in your news paper as I had a very bad experience by travelling with Air India. Ruchi said Uncle write and send to me. Ruchi reminded him after five day that she did not receive the article. The guy said oh Ruchi Beta, aphi jane do, jo ho gaya so hogaya.
We Jats should take some pain by writing, no body is against us, we only are proving it that we are an uneducated lot by not reminding the editors of newspapers.
When we say press is against jats, we accept the defeat. Press do bother about their customers, the readers, we should not forget that.


Dear Vir Ji,
I am from Sydney, Australia and born in a Jat family in India.
I read your above mentioned very good article in HT. Mr Sahib Singh Verma may be a bad politician like any other politician. It is good u covered all aspects of the story. But the moment u mention his caste, you loose control and shows your weekness.
You are not proposing in this article your daughter to Verma Ji's son that you have to mention his caste and his gotra. Look man this is totally out of context. It shows u have no confidence in you.
If you are so fond of writing the caste in your articles, please make sure u write for each Tom and Harry. Which I think you will not dare to write about a bania, brahamin or a rajput etc.
Please learn some lessons to be decent to all people of different communities not only to yours.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba

[amar0974]

Bahut Badhia Kara Uncle Ji, Ar or Sub Members ko bhey chaheye ke Uncleji Key Taria Usna Karara jawab de.
Well done Uncle Ji. Uncle Ji Meri ta madi sey angreji kamjor sa na ta dhamkaua ta ma bhey usna karda sa.
Ishwar Singh Lamba (Apr 10, 2003 01:07 a.m.):
I have sent following email to Mr Vir Singvi of HT and will expect all members to send an email to HT. If 1000 emails goes to HT, it will get attention of their management.
What is use of just showing our anger on this site and not writing to the newspaper. These newspaper editors think jats are not educated and hence they not their customers. We have to show them we are educated, we read newspapers and hence things will change for good. I will give following two incidents:
1. In 1990, Ch Devi Lal, Dy Prime Minister visited Australia. I went to the hotel to meet him and there in his office, I met two local Indian reporters (Mr Badhwar and Mr Malhotra).
I asked Mr Badhwar, why in Indian Link u write Jat Leader with Ch. Devi Lal and never write same as Punjabi Leader or a Bania Leader with other persons. He could not give an answer, but Mr Malhotra who was from a local radio said "Mirch Masala lagane se maga ata hai". I said by using Mirch Masala against muslims u made Pakistan and then using Mirch Masala against Sikhs u spoiled remaining Punjab. Please stop this for God sake. There were many IAS and IFS officers sitting there and they also said u are write.
2. My daughter Ruchi Lamba is working as a reporter for BBC in London. When she was reporter here in Sydney, a person came from India and said Ruchi Beta write an article in your news paper as I had a very bad experience by travelling with Air India. Ruchi said Uncle write and send to me. Ruchi reminded him after five day that she did not receive the article. The guy said oh Ruchi Beta, aphi jane do, jo ho gaya so hogaya.
We Jats should take same pain by writing, no body is against us, we only are proving it that we are an uneducated lot by not reminding the editors of newspapers.
When we say press is against jats, we accept the defeat. Press do bother about their customers, the readers, we should not forget that.


Dear Vir Ji,
I am from Sydney, Australia and born in a Jat family in India.
I read your above mentioned very good article in HT. Mr Sahib Singh Verma may be a bad politician like any other politician. It is good u covered all aspects of the story. But the moment u mention his caste, you loose control and shows your weekness.
You are not proposing in this article your daughter to Verma Ji's son that you have to mention his caste and his gotra. Look man this is totally out of context. It shows u have no confidence in you.
If you are so fond of writing the caste in your articles, please make sure u write for each Tom and Harry. Which I think you will not dare to write about a bania, brahamin or a rajput etc.
Please learn some lessons to be decent to all people of different communities not only to yours.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba

[ishwarlamba]

Amardeep Beta,
U live in Delhi, just send a postcard in Hindi or Haryanvi to Hindustan Times. Mr Vir Sighvi is from Rajesthan and he understands Haryanvi very well.
I assure u it will be read and will improve the image of Jat community.
No excuse for not writing, when u will not write, no body will write. Please take the lead.
Just send a past card To
Mr Vir Sighvi
Column Writer
The Hindustan Times
Canaught Place
New Delhi - 110001

or email on feedback@hindustantimes.com

Itna to likh hi sakte ho ke apni peti ki shadi karni he apko jo Vermaji ki jat aur gotra likha hi, vo lalaji samaj jayga aab en jato ke samne kalam nahi chalegi.
With Love
Ishwar Lamba
Regards

[sudheer166]

Dear members

There is nothing surprising in this article of vir shangvi.before vir shangvi shoba de and karan thapar have already condemned the behavior of sh sahib Singh varma.instead of finding fault in these writers we should think ourselves whether this type of behavior is suitable for our ministers. He is not only a minister but also an ambassador of our community. He should learn to behave properly. We are supposed to live in civilized society and such act deserves criticism in strongest term.
Somebody have said that these banias are anti jats isn’t we are stereotyping them on this basis of this event.
If you see the behavior of Jat students in Delhi University you will ashamed of them. We are living in a knowledge society and we have to learn a lot from these caste like banias and brahimns.branding them as anti jats we are doing only our own harm.

[amar0974]

Uncle Ji, Aapki baat pa pura pura Amal hoga. Par Sudheer Ji na bhey samjaeyo jara, Hada a ta Jat Maar Khagey.
Sudheer Bhai, behavior ta in Ministers ka Hamarey Sansad ar Vidhansabhao ma a dekhan na mil ja sa Jub Ye Ek Dusrey Pa Mike ar Kursi Fainka Sa, Par Bhai Humna ta Eb ta Pehla Aisa Koi Case Nahi Dekha Jisma Kisi ek Aadmi ke Behavior ka karan purey community ko gali de gai ho ya uskey naam key jagha uski cast (Jet vs Jat) se sumbodhit keya gaya ho.
Ishwar Singh Lamba (Apr 10, 2003 02:50 a.m.):
Amardeep Beta,
U live in Delhi, just send a postcard in Hindi or Haryanvi to Hindustan Times. Mr Vir Sighvi is from Rajesthan and he understands Haryanvi very well.
I assure u it will be read and will improve the image of Jat community.
No excuse for not writing, when u will not write, no body will write. Please take the lead.
Just send a past card To
Mr Vir Sighvi
Column Writer
The Hindustan Times
Canaught Place
New Delhi - 110001

Itna to likh hi sakte ho ke apni peti ki shadi karni he apko jo Vermaji ki jat aur gotra likha hi, vo lalaji samaj jayga aab en jato ke samne kalam nahi chalegi.
With Love
Ishwar Lamba
Regards

[shekhar_nehra]

No doubt, the article is really in a very bad taste.
Our protest should be against Singhvi's remarks abt the community and the reflection of his mindset , and not in favour of Sahib Singh.
We do not know what really happened, and I least trust media in reporting such incidents. After all "Mirch massala lagana is their param dharam".

One more point that comes out clearly and it is:
HT has proved it again that it is a biased newspaper by making reference to the so-called golden days of Indira Gandhi.

[mbamal]

Sudheer....you should proud to be a jat...i agree with what you say about the ministers and du students...but a handful of such events do not give any right to ppl like shangvhi to criticize the whole community...Twat he has done is totally wrong and unwarranted and shoud not have been done...its a complete mistake on his part...

[ishwarlamba]

Dear Sudhir Ji,
The title of article is "Jet vs Jat" and in the article, Jat word is used twice. It's title is not "Jet vs Verma", please try to understand.
If Mr Sahib Singh Verma does something wrong, why his whole community is abused. It looks writer is just showing anger and does not use effective words, it is his weekness.
I remember a pre independence incident.
Ch Piru Singh was a famous Arya Samaj leader from Rohtak. His was so much respected that when Queen Victoria visited India, Ch Piru Singh was also invited to speak to her for five minutes.
Ch Piru Singh was collecting funds for Gurukul Matindu in village Gorad in Rohtak district. An old lady came and said following to her son in Haryanvi "Are Raj Singh ye wo hi Piru Singh se jis ki maa bhag gai" (O son Raj, is he same Piru Singh who's mother ran away with another person?) . Ch Piru singh said "Tai eb too Bakate me tusra yar toond le to is Raj Singh ka kya kasoor". (He said o aunti if you find a new husband in the near by village of Bakheta, what will be the fault of poor Raj Singh".
Hence Sudhir Ji, Mr Sahib Singh is at fault and not u, me and all other Jats. Please remember, community is like holy mother, please learn to respect her. If some body rapes your mother, you will say because Mr Sahib Singh Verma is a bad person, some DU Jat boys are bad people and hence whole community is bad, so Sudhir Ji's mother deserves to be raped.
You are a very good student from Delhi, here is little home work from a elderly Jat from Australia, please find and send me the email of Mr Sahib Singh Verma, I will write to him, but please do not forget to write to Mr Vir Singvi and ask all your friends to do the same. Our people are already lazy in writing, please for God sake, do not encourage them to be lazy.
I will be waiting for your email to me also on ishwar.lamba@eds.com
Good luck
With love

[rsdalal]

Sudhir bhai,
Approch te apki theek se , you are tring to take this criticism in positive way, instead of replying in the same way.
But in this case as Lamba uncleji have said he is writing against the whole community for one person's behavior. From the articles it looks like, he is blaming jats not Sahib Singh. He is using this incident merly to express his opinion about jats in common.
Let me ask you doese write the same thing for other communities as well when their leaders are cought in any scam or something like that.

Will he say All Tamils are chor instead of saying Jaylalita is chor.

And do not give much credit to his one sided story about Sahib singh Verma as well. Just by his saying it does not make Airline staff very professional. Most probably in this case they could not recognize Mr verma, otherwise they would not have behaved like this and they were treating him like any other normal passanger like you and me. This just shows that how these staff members behave with normal passanger. They do not deserve sympathy at least from me, may be from Sanghvi.

[ishwarlamba]

Thanks Amar beta,
As per your request I have done my job. You are young, talk of lath, but u know "Talwar se kalam jayada takatwar hoti he".
I hope u sent your post card, then only I can request Sudhir Beta.
with Love
your uncle
Ishwar Lamba
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Uncle Ji, Aapki baat pa pura pura Amal hoga. Par Sudheer Ji na bhey samjaeyo jara, Hada a ta Jat Maar Khagey.
Sudheer Bhai, behavior ta in Ministers ka Hamarey Sansad ar Vidhansabhao ma a dekhan na mil ja sa Jub Ye Ek Dusrey Pa Mike ar Kursi Fainka Sa, Par Bhai Humna ta Eb ta Pehla Aisa Koi Case Nahi Dekha Jisma Kisi ek Aadmi ke Behavior ka karan purey community ko gali de gai ho ya uskey naam key jagha uski cast (Jet vs Jat) se sumbodhit keya gaya ho.

[shokeen123]

When it comes to advancing one’s career in the media industry these days, the buck stops at “sensationalism!” That’s the name of the game. Now with the international journalists embedded with various military units in Iraq, it has never been so apparent, just how our minds could react to two exact opposite extremes of human emotions! From utter hopelessness, to chaos, to the thrill of triumph (triumph with exception for those against this war)! While the green night vision eye goggles enhance the story with a raging desert sand storm in the background -- the day light brings the horror of a different kind of reality, one with heaps of human flesh, streaks of blood running down Baghdad’s alleyways, to the burning buildings, and fallen monuments. It is as heroic as it gets for a rookie or for that matter a veteran journalist…to capture the essence of the moment. This is their moment! Their eyes gleam with dreams of prestigious awards that will overnight thrust them into fame! Such is the greed for fame, for some of our media heroes, who will stop at nothing! It’s the adrenaline rush that drives them to this pseudo excellence (in some cases genuine), from the tiniest details of a story to the most startling headline! “It’s all in the headline!” If the reader doesn’t get drawn to the headline, either without a controversial, political or social twist, or without the benefit of mystique behind a vain murder, who is going to read their article? Mr. Sanghavi, for lack of his journalistic aptitude or for whatever that drove him to the rhyme, “Jet vs. Jat” has just proved his ludicrous attempt to denounce the entire Jat community. Mr. Sanghavi could have used any number of adjectives, applicable in isolating the “rude minister from the Jat.”

One recent example that stands out of such sensationalism is, Peter Arnett, poor guy (the National Geographic magazine reporter), now the ex-NBC journalist was fired because “it was wrong for him to give an interview with state-run Iraqi TV in which he said the American-led coalition’s initial plan for the war had failed because of Iraq’s resistance. What was he thinking… “All is fair in love and war?” Arnett called the interview a “misjudgment” and apologized. Well we all know he learned his lesson! Should then we blindly believe that Peter really felt sorry and apologized…I guess not! This wasn’t your ordinary guy; he is pretty renowned in the media business. He could have survived the attack…but for the intense social and political pressure and the power of people that got him fired despite the apology.

So is this how we are going to react to any headline that drags our name down? Just be sentimental and express it vehemently on Jatland? We could be talking all we want, and even with the same adrenaline rush that of Mr. Sanghavi for his contention … till the cows come home, but will that undo the damage, or prevent such future attacks on our community? No! Only action will.

I believe with the same word power that Mr. Sanghavi has crushed the Jat pride; we can express our sentiments through more appropriate channel. Why don’t we draft a letter and ask our talented Jat Journalist Ruchi Lamba to help publish in various media forums, both, India and abroad?

PS: Mr. Sahib’s Singh’ behavior was, absolutely DISGUSTING and DEPLORABLE.

[ishwarlamba]

Sudhir Beta,
Nameste
It was very nice to receive your email.
I agree with u that Sh Sahib Singh Verma misbehaved and is unacceptable. It gives bad name to his family, community and his position. My only point is we are very outspoken, but we do not write.
Every body checks his/her mail daily, change is a very slow process. My only point was to encourage our 1000 people on Jatland to write to HT. We jats come from villages where panchayats system was there. We still respect our elders, your email is the proof.
In city culture no body is tau any more. U see any meeting of a social club, housing society or any other get together, people fight like dogs. If we tell these city people, let us go to HT, only 10 people will reach Canaught Place, if we ask to write to HT, 50 people will write to HT.
Now let us talks about jats, if we talk to 1000 people to go HT office, most of them will go and will abuse Mr Vir Singhvi on his face also, but if we ask them to write letters, very few will write, that is their weakness because reading/writing was not their business.
Jat Sikhs have gone through this process, they are farmers, in business, in jobs and many Jat Sikhs are writers and these city people do not make a fun of them any more.
Hence we have to become writers, this is very powerful tool.
Again I stress, city people will never write 1000 emails, but jats can do, because we are still close net society, I am proud that I was born in rural based jat family and could learn how to respect your elders. Look on Jatland how we try to respect our seniors, these ethics u will not find in a city based society. Hence if 1000 emails go HT, they will be surprised, because they have never received 1000 emails on any issue.

I know in our community many bad qualities have come. We educated people have taken so much from our villages, but we are not giving back any thing in return, rather we make fun of these villagers, even after retirement, we do not want to help our community, that is why community is leaderless.
Now a days young people have so many bad habits but what is the use of pointing at them, when people like me are not helping them. Our uneducated, village elders especially in Western UP, had set up many Arya Samajs, schools and colleges. We educated jat people fight like dogs and we are not able to manage our Arya Samajs, Schools and Colleges, we have become city people, we are selfish and selfish people can never command respect

Thanks for email of Sh Som Pal Ji. Som Pal is very smart leader. He had been to Sydney and is very nice person. I will take Verma Ji's email from him.

As a elder, I will like to post our emails on JatLand, others also will be benefited.

With Love
Ishwar Lamba


>>> sudheer panwar <sudheer166@yahoo.com> 04/14/03 09:42pm >>>
Dear Tau ji

You are very much senior to me so I feel I should call you Tau ji. . In
this mail I have tried to emphasize my point of view more elaborately. I
come to net only twice a week so my response gets delayed. Please don't
mind it.

The article of vir shangvi shows his claustrophobic mentality. He is not
alone peoples like him can be found in almost any segment of society.
persons like vir shangvi shoba de karan etc thapar represent the
interest of a particular elite class. These are armchair intellectuals.
These peoples do not know ground reality neither they want to know.
Besides this these are from upper caste so they want to prevent persons
from other rising caste like to jats encroaching their intellectuals
authority.

When I was reading the reaction of other members I observed that nobody
deplore the action of sh sahib singh verma.either they think he is
novice or crime committed by vir shangvi is of greater magnitude then
that of verma ji .in my opinion sh sahib Singh's verma act deserves
severe criticism so I did just that. I do not want to dilute the
incisive nature of my article so I deliberately ignore the jet vs Jat
issue.

I am going to complete my MCA (master of computer application) course
from a state engg college of lucknow.most of the students in my college
are of eastern UP. They do not know much about western UP or haryana
peoples. Till now most of the Jat has performed very well in my college.
Despite this they think that Jat is synonym of uncivilized person. Act
of sh sahib singh verma only vindicate their stand.

Now I am in Delhi doing my intership.in spare time I go to central
reference library of Delhi University. Here a lot of local Jat students
come to study. Most of them are from affluent family. But these students
not only lack basic etiquette but also do violence here over trivial
issue. In this library research scholar of Delhi University, faculty
members and students preparing for civil service and other exam also
comes here. Many students from such places go into civil service, media
and other fields.

So these students (of other caste) carry distorted image of our
community in their work fields.

There is no use for crying over split milk. We should learn a lesson
from this incident. We are living in knowledge society today. Service
sector have a vital role in our economy. To succeed in this economy we
have to be articulating, manipulative and image conscious.

I am sending my protest to Hindustan times over the issue. I am also
asking my friends from other community also to send their protest. But
even god helps those who help themselves. So our dignity is in our
hands.

I am giving you the mail id of sh sompal shastri (former agricultural
minister and now member of planning commission) as I could not find the
mail id of sh sahib singh ji.

sompal@yojana.nic.in <mailto:sompal@yojana.nic.in>

With warm regards



Sudheer panwar

sudheer166@yahoo.com

[rkumar]

Dear friends,

As you all will agree, there has to be some legal remedy to such incidents which paint the entire caste with same color. This has been haunting my mind ever since I posted this news paper article here. Press Council of India takes up all such issues and has laid down very clear guidelines. Many of us have written letters to the news paper but have received no response till date. As per law we can now go to press council of India. I am not sure if we will get any justice there, but certainly we will gain some insight into their functioning and some experience in handling such situations in futures. If many of us knock the door od PCI, I am sure the news will reach Mr Vir Sanghvi as well. If we present our case well, who knows we may come out with flying colors. ..
Please visit Press council of India website and read the information properly. Let us move fast as there is a upper limit of two months within which we have to approach the PCI on such matters......... certainly I am moving and will keep you guys informed of whatever happens...

Rajendra

[rsdalal]

Dear Rajender ji,
Good step indeed. Whether we come in flying colors or not, but at least we should try. Deeper we go, less chances that these kind of things will happen again.
May be we can format one common letter which can be sent to PCI, by each member here.

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Apr 15, 2003 11:46 a.m.):
Dear friends,

As you all will agree, there has to be some legal remedy to such incidents which paint the entire caste with same color. This has been haunting my mind ever since I posted this news paper article here. Press Council of India takes up all such issues and has laid down very clear guidelines. Many of us have written letters to the news paper but have received no response till date. As per law we can now go to press council of India. I am not sure if we will get any justice there, but certainly we will gain some insight into their functioning and some experience in handling such situations in futures. If many of us knock the door od PCI, I am sure the news will reach Mr Vir Sanghvi as well. If we present our case well, who knows we may come out with flying colors. ..
Please visit Press council of India website and read the information properly. Let us move fast as there is a upper limit of two months within which we have to approach the PCI on such matters......... certainly I am moving and will keep you guys informed of whatever happens...

Rajendra

[rsdalal]

NORMs of journalist conduct as per PIC

Caution against defamatory writings

3) Newspaper should not publish anything which is manifestly defamatory or libellous against any individual organisation unless after due care and checking, they have sufficient reason to believe that it is true and its publication will be for public good.

4) Truth is no defence for publishing derogatory, scurrilous and defamatory material against a private citizen where no public interest is involved.

5) No personal remarks which may be considered or construed to be derogatory in nature against a dead person should be published except in rare cases of public interest, as the dead person cannot possibly contradict or deny those remarks.

6) The Press shall not rely on objectionable past behaviour of a citizen for basing the scathing comments with reference to fresh action of that person. If public good requires such reference, the Press should make pre-publication inquiries from the authorities concerned about the follow up action, if any, in regard to those adverse actions.

7) The Press has a duty, discretion and right to serve the public interest by drawing reader's attention to citizens of doubtful antecedents and of questionable character but as responsible journalists they should observe due restraint and caution in hazarding their own opinion or conclusion in branding these persons as 'cheats' or 'killers' etc. The cardinal principle being that the guilt of a person should be established by proof of facts alleged and not by proof of the bad character of the accused. In the zest to expose, the Press should not exceed the limits of ethical caution and fair comments.

8) Where the impugned publication are manifestly injurious to the reputation of the complainant, the onus shall be on the respondent to show that they were true or to establish that they constituted for comment made in good faith and for public good.

[ishwarlamba]

Dear Rajender ji,
As Ranvir Ji has given all norms, now is high time, u draft a letter and send it. How u want the letters to be sent by us, just guide us, you are the project leader on this issue.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba

[rkumar]

Ishwar Singh Lamba (Apr 15, 2003 05:56 p.m.):
Dear Rajender ji,
As Ranvir Ji has given all norms, now is high time, u draft a letter and send it. How u want the letters to be sent by us, just guide us, you are the project leader on this issue.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba

Dear Sri Ishwar Singh ji,

As per PCI rules first letters have to go to the news paper and if news paper does not take any action only then the role of PCI comes. Let as many members write to news paper as soon as posiible and there is 2 months time limit within which the matter has to reach PCI.

Regards
Rajendra

[ishwarlamba]

All members,
Please send your letters, emails to Hindustan Times
on feedback@hindustantimes.com very soon and write a line on this site that u have sent it. This is a noble cause for community honour, we are a village based society but internet has given a golden opportunity to write electonically our views, let us come out this slavery. I tell u, we are a united community, we share our values. For last 500 years we have use Talvar and Hal (plough), now is the time to use kalam (pen) also, I know we are not used to use pen but we do not have choice. Article "Jet vs Jat" in HT was not for a day, it is sitting there permanently.
Rejendra bhai is waiting for u to inform by posting a line on this site that u have sent the email/letter or u can just send him an email or just drop him a post card.
I am very proud of all of you. Please take care of me. an old jat of 59.
After the emails of all of us, Rajendra bhai will send the email to PCI within the time limit of two month. I am sure some of u might have already sent the email/letter, just let Rajendra bhai know.
Loving u all
Ishwar Lamba
---------------------------
Dear Sri Ishwar Singh ji,

As per PCI rules first letters have to go to the news paper and if news paper does not take any action only then the role of PCI comes. Let as many members write to news paper as soon as posiible and there is 2 months time limit within which the matter has to reach PCI.

Regards
Rajendra

[ishwarlamba]

I sent about 25 emails to Sydney Jats, requesting them to send an email to HT, already I got confirmation from two of them, what they have written to HT, others may be in pipeline.
I request members on Jatland also to send emails to HT and also emails to their Jat friends requesting them to send email to HT.
I am waiting confirmation.
Regards

[ranjitjat]

Lamba ji-
You & other friends are welcome to send me a copy of the draft
so I can add more mirch masala from London.
cheers
Good luck

[yajuvender]

Lamba Uncle ji and Rajendra ji,

I had already written to HT on this matter and waiting for their feedback.

Regards,

[rsdalal]

Instead of writing individully, we should draft one common letter. As in most of individuall letters, language will not be proper(Lath mar) and letters will be thrown in the bin. So better we draft one and every one send that one, unless some member have their own better one.
Lamba uncle ji and Rajender ji, can you post your letter, so that we do not have to write from scratch.

[rkumar]

Ranvir Singh Dalal (Apr 16, 2003 08:21 a.m.):
Instead of writing individully, we should draft one common letter. As in most of individuall letters, language will not be proper(Lath mar) and letters will be thrown in the bin. So better we draft one and every one send that one, unless some member have their own better one.
Lamba uncle ji and Rajender ji, can you post your letter, so that we do not have to write from scratch.


Following is what I have written;

"



To,
The Editor
Hindustan Times
New Delhi

Dear Sir,

The article Sahib Singh: Jet vs. Jat by Mr. Vir Sanghvi published on March 31, 2003 in your esteemed News Paper is in very poor taste as it paints the entire Jat community in bad colour. I do not see any logic in putting the caste of a person along with his name while reporting his actions. Trust me those of us who read the item, are very disappointed. Not only we elders, even our children felt it very strongly.

I would request that a suitable apology should be printed out in your newspaper at the earliest and assure your readers that similar writings will not be allowed to be printed in future.

Thanking you and looking forward to your response.

Yours Faithfully


Rajendra Kumar
B-44, Pandara Road
New Delhi 110 003

Dated: 16th April 2003

[rsdalal]

Thank you Rajender ji, I mailed this, Hope every member will mail one to
feedback@hindustantimes.com


To,
The Editor
Hindustan Times
New Delhi

Dear Sir,

The article Sahib Singh: "Jet vs. Jat" by Mr. Vir Sanghvi published on March 31, 2003 in your esteemed News Paper is in very poor taste as it paints the entire Jat community in bad colour. I do not see any logic in putting the caste of a person along with his name while reporting his actions. Trust me those of us who read the item, are very disappointed. From title any one can make out only one thing, "Jet Vs Jat community"


I would request that a suitable apology should be printed out in your newspaper at the earliest and assure your readers that similar writings will not be allowed to be printed in future and a proper action will be taken against Mr. Sanghvi.

Thanking you and looking forward to your response.

...Ranvir Dalal

Philadelphia, USA

Dated: 04/16/2003

[rsdalal]

Feed back email id does not work, (I got the bounced back mail) so you may try this link
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1037_0,0000.htm

[rkumar]

Ranvir Singh Dalal (Apr 16, 2003 01:48 p.m.):
Feed back email id does not work, (I got the bounced back mail) so you may try this link
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1037_0,0000.htm

Yes Ranvir Bhai, its bouncing back with the error that disk is full..I sent it through a messenger. Please keep the copy of the bounced back email which we are going to use as proof with PCI...

Rajendra

[shekhar_nehra]

I have done my part.

[ishwarlamba]

All,
Let us send the letter as drafted by Rajendra bhai.
Regards

[mbamal]

I have also sent it...

[itsnavin]

I've sent my copy as :

To
The Editor
The Hindustan Times
New Delhi

Dear Sir
This is with reference to article by Mr. Vir Sanghvi in the esteemed newspaper on March 31, 2003 titled 'Jet vs Jat' over the incident took place between Jet airways & Mr. Sahib Singh Verma. First of all, I think this is a pity to Hindustan Times editors to allow this kind of 'racist' article to be published. I regret about the incident and it shouldn't have happened but the usage of word 'Jat' so many times in this article made it a poor show and hence putting a question mark on the columnist like Mr. Vir Sanhvi. Following that article, could you explain what these phrases used in the article mean: 'Mr Verma demonstrated his Jat tenacity' and 'Jet targeted Jat'? I've a question for Mr. Sanghvi why he's targeting whole of Jat community over the incident involving just another person Mr. Sahab Singh Verma. Why he's using the label 'Jat' always for Sahib Singh Verma in the article? Did he write about a person seeing his caste always? Could you or Mr. Sanghvi thought sometime that what could happen to our society if every writer writes about other communities like banias, punjabis, muslims etc. Did any of your editors write some article someday that a 'Pundit' is ruling India, a 'Musalmaan' is the President or a 'Sindhi' is Dy. PM of India?
My request would be that Mr. Vir Sanghvi should apologise for the language used for a particular caste in the article and for you, to discourage these kind of articles to be published.

Thanks in advance for an early response.

Best Regards.

Navin Farswal

[amar0974]

Thanks Uncle Ji,
Uncle Ji mana bhe aapna kaam (mail to HT) kar diya Ar Uncle Ji fikar mat karo Talwar ke jagha Talwar ar Kalam ke Jagha Kalam ka isteymaal kara gey, dono ma perfect hain.
Ishwar Singh Lamba (Apr 11, 2003 01:57 a.m.):
Thanks Amar beta,
As per your request I have done my job. You are young, talk of lath, but u know "Talwar se kalam jayada takatwar hoti he".
I hope u sent your post card, then only I can request Sudhir Beta.
with Love
your uncle
Ishwar Lamba
---------------------------------
Uncle Ji, Aapki baat pa pura pura Amal hoga. Par Sudheer Ji na bhey samjaeyo jara, Hada a ta Jat Maar Khagey.
Sudheer Bhai, behavior ta in Ministers ka Hamarey Sansad ar Vidhansabhao ma a dekhan na mil ja sa Jub Ye Ek Dusrey Pa Mike ar Kursi Fainka Sa, Par Bhai Humna ta Eb ta Pehla Aisa Koi Case Nahi Dekha Jisma Kisi ek Aadmi ke Behavior ka karan purey community ko gali de gai ho ya uskey naam key jagha uski cast (Jet vs Jat) se sumbodhit keya gaya ho.

[abhishek]

Bottomline is that what Mr Sahib Singh Verma did was unacceptable.
But inspite of this, fact remains that media is biased when it comes to reporting about jats and at times they are simply pathetic.
What puzzles me is the reason behind this bias against jats.
We dont feed on their means rather our community is contributing to the development of nation in everyway.
But these people leave no chance to malign us.

[rsdalal]

May be he did not do anything like this at all.

Abhishek Dhama (Apr 17, 2003 01:14 p.m.):
Bottomline is that what Mr Sahib Singh Verma did was unacceptable.

[ranjitjat]

I agree with Abhishek & other
Media is bias. it is against jats.
I have long better experience working with Ch Charan singh ji & Ch Devilalji.
I have made complaints to press & media in the past- but no good result.
Now I made complaints to Hindustan times on behalf of Haryana Association London UK
AND
Shaheed Dham trust Bhiwani Haryana India
.
But it will not bring any desired result.
Best thing is our unity
Strong World organiagation
Our own press - Media- form like jatland.
carry on fighting with KALAM & TALWAR
JUSTICE- ACTION- TRUTH= JAT
Good luck