Jat Vs Jet ( Vir Sanghvi of HT tenders apology)

[rkumar]

Cheers frineds.. Our efforts paid off. In todays Hindustan Times (page 10) finally we can see an apology from Mr Vir Singhvi. The apology comes along with an article titled " India's Public Servents".. In 6th column, last para, it reads, " (An Aside: After I wrote about Sahib Singh incident- on the HT website - I've received many angry, if somewhat identical, letters from Jats objecting to the headline of the article: Jat Vs Jet. Do I not know, asked the letter writters, that Jats risk their lives for this country? Why should I drag them into this sorry episode? I agree. My apologies. I quite understand why the Jat community is offended at being associated with Sahib Singh's behaviour. Who wouldn't be offended ?)"

Rajendra

[mbamal]

good news....thanks to u rajendra jee...ur efforts finally paid off....

[guliayaj100]

I was delighted to read in 'The Hindustan Times' the apology by Vir Singhvi about his remarks made against the Jat community. All thanks goes to Rajendra ji and other members of the Jatland who contributed in creating pressure and making Singhvi realize his misdeed. It is really a big success of the site. I hope our collective efforts will dissuade others from letting down our community out of some prejudices .

[amanpoonia]

so friends this is the time to cheer up..n i would like to give sincere thanz to shri rajendra ji n shri ishwar lamba ji who told us that we should write against it n show them we jats r not going to take these kind of comments any more on our community .so freinds now we have seen a practical example of the power on unity .this is the time to get united n lets do a united effort for the upliftment of our community.
atlast i would like to say"HIP HIP HURRY"
JAT EKTA JINDABAD

[ishwarlamba]

Congratulations to Rajendra Ji and all community members that we have shown HT that this is not fair. I was quite confident. I can assure u, we are still more civilized, care more for our elders and our community.
i will also inform all community members, whom I had emailed that finally the opology did come. Hence in future also we keep alert.
again thanks all

[yajuvender]

I was delighted to read sanghavi's apology in today's HT.

Congratulations!!!

Hats off to the efforts of Rajendraji and Lamba uncleji..

I hope the story continues for JAT unity...

[ranjitjat]

Dear all.
Congratulations to every one & all
This is only begining
Long way to go
Credit go to team work & unity of the community.
The identical letters which mr Singhvi confessed is also from Shaheed Dham Trust Bhiwani - Haryana and
Haryana Association London UK
I also send semilar letter from different names.
So also remembers those Jats heroes & Shaheed whom Mr Singhvi given credit.
I told him this on behalf of JATSHAHEEDS in the name of Shaheed DHAM TRUST BHIWANI HARYANA.
So Association- & UNITY IS GREAT-
Real winner is Unity
JATS UNITY JINDABAD- JAIHIHD

[arjun]

another example of the collective might if we unite !

[ravichaudhary]

Arjun Rana (Apr 20, 2003 08:30 a.m.):
another example of the collective might if we unite !

Well done

Ravi

[shekhar_nehra]

This is the beginning . Still many Singhvi's need to be set right!

Well many Congratulations to Rajendra Kumar ji and other elders Dudee kaka and Lamba kaka for their initiative.

[ishwarlamba]

Congatulations Dudee Sahib,
There was specific mention based on your letters. Please encourage us like this and keep giving us direction.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba

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Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 20, 2003 07:34 a.m.):
Dear all.
Congratulations to every one & all
This is only begining
Long way to go
Credit go to team work & unity of the community.
The identical letters which mr Singhvi confessed is also from Shaheed Dham Trust Bhiwani - Haryana and
Haryana Association London UK
I also send semilar letter from different names.
So also remembers those Jats heroes & Shaheed whom Mr Singhvi given credit.
I told him this on behalf of JATSHAHEEDS in the name of Shaheed DHAM TRUST BHIWANI HARYANA.
So Association- & UNITY IS GREAT-
Real winner is Unity
JATS UNITY JINDABAD- JAIHIHD

[rsdalal]

Congratulations to all Jats.
Good that at least we could achieve this.
Definatley it will have a big impact on future writings.

[uday]

Good Show !!

United we stand , divided we fall !!!!!

[amar0974]

Bilkul - Ekta Ma Bal Hai!

[ishwarlamba]

All,
When you open www.hindustantimes.com,
Click on Columnists on left corner,
you find articles of Vir Singhvi, including "Jet vs Jat".
When you view this article, underneath you find following:
* Express your views
* To see views of others
When I clicked "To see view of others", following letters of Dudee Sahib, Ranvir Dalal Ji and Raj Rathee Ji. Thank you very much all three of you. I also wrote yesterday, but my letter not yet posted there.
We should all write under "Extress your views", because the article "Jet vs Jat" of Mr Vir Singhvi is permanently seating on HT site and hence at least our letters will stay underneath.
Regards


People Speak

Dear Mr Sanghvi,
You have hurt the feeling of 60 millions jats through out the world. You also insulted our war heroes & shaheeds. Over 10 lakh jats died for this great country India. My family has a great army history of seven generations. My two grandfathers died during the first worldwar in France in FIRST ROYAL JAT REGIMENT. 5 uncles in 2nd world war. Three uncles were freedom fighters in Indian National Army INA. Uncle Mangay Ram Dudee died during 1971 war in 4 JAT REGIMENT. Suresh Dudee Died in Kargil war JAT REGIMENT. I was in the Indian navy flagship INS MYSORE during Goa liberation.

- Dharmpal Singh Dudee, London, UK (April 21, 2003)


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After reading the article and knowing the author's view on a particular caste, I do not credit the whole issue at all. Journalist in India are very much biased and this a just another example of this.

- Ranvir Dalal, Philadelphia, USA/India (April 7, 2003)


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I am thoroughly appalled by Vir Sanghvi's article. While the issue of abuse of power and mistreatment of a professional is definitely not under question, tying this incident to Caste is downright disgusting. Has Mr. Sanghvi lost all sense of right or wrong. Does he intend to imply that all Jats are like that or would behave similarly ? I wonder what his views are regarding Banias (are they all money grabbers ?), Brahmins (are they all cunning and scheming ?). Is this the state of Indian journalism ? Is this the sort of professionalism I should expect from a noted Journalist ? A downright castiest journalist ?

- Raj Rathee, USA (April 3, 2003)

[ishwarlamba]

Best Article I find is written by Amar. He did not care for english, he wrote his article in Hindi with Roman script. Amar's will power is really appriciable.
Let us all congratulate Amardeep.

I am reproducing here, his article:

Uncle Ji manabhey aapna kaam kardiya jisey tuti futi hindi/english aawa they useye ma virodh daraj kara diya sa. Padh ka dekho theek sa ak nahi
with best regards
Amar
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To,
The Editor
Hindustan Times
New Delhi
Dear Sir,

Yeh mail Ma Aapkay News Paper kay Article "Jet vs. Jat" jo Mr. Vir Sanghvi ne likha tha or March 31, 2003 ko Aapkey Newspaper mey publish huwa tha, ka virodh jataney key leye likh raha hoon. Kyonkey main bhey usey community(Jat) ko belong karta hoon jiskey leye Mr. Sanghvi na Abhadar bhasa ka paryog keya tha.

Is Article mey jis tarha ke Language ka Prayog Kiya gaya tha waha Atyant Nindania hai. Mr. Sanghvi ka Mr. Sahib Singh Verma Ji kay mamley ko Kisi Particular cast(Jat) se jod dena, unkey Jat virodhi Gandi Maansikta ka Parichayak hai.

Sanghvi ji ney Article may jitney bar Mr. Sahib singh ji key cast or Gotra ka Jikar keya utney baar to koi Matrimonial ke aid ma bhey nahi karta mujhey Sanghvi ji key Iradey nek nahi Dekhtey.

Aap Please unhey samjhaeye key publicity paaney key leye ghatia tariko ka isteymaal na karey, or 'mirch masaley' ka kam prayog karey kyonkey ye 'mirch masala' Sanghvi Ji ke sehat to bigadey ga he Haajma Aapkey Newpaper ka bhey kharab ho jaayega.

Ata Mr. Sanghvi se kahey key apney bhool par pachtatey huye ek naya article publish kar purey Jat community sey maafey maangey.

Thanks

Amar

Date: Apr 17, 2003 07:29 a.m.

[rsdalal]

I too liked Amardeep's letter.
Very much balanced and within limits of decency....

[uday]

beautifully written by Amar

[ranjitjat]

Amar deep- well done
very wise thought- sahi chot mae hae Dil per

3 cheers

[rameshlakra]

kudoos to rajendra singh ji ,lamba ji , dudhee ji arr all u beautiful people who spared there time to pursue the matter and got after sanghi by mailing .
great news indeed

[dkumar]

it's really appreciable, kudos to all involved!

[amar0974]

Uncle Ji Sarahana Ke Leye Dhanyavaad, Ye to Aap Logo ka badappan hai nahi to Iskey Asli Hakrajendra to Aaap sub ho
Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 22, 2003 10:32 a.m.):
Amar deep- well done
very wise thought- sahi chot mae hae Dil per

3 cheers

[itsnavin]

Cheers to the community efforts! It paid the dividends and I am sure it'll continue.

Navin Farswal

[ishwarlamba]

1 May 2003 HT, all the four letters are from jats (Mandeep Bamal, Leuven, Belgium ; Dharmpal Singh Dudee, London ; Ranvir Dalal, Philadelphia, USA and Raj Rathee, USA). It is a good news. These news paper writers think that jats live in villages of India only and are mostly uneducated. You have surprised them by showing them jats are living overseas also.
O jat community, nothing goes waste, let us keep writing, results will do come.
Lt Navin Gulia has proved in his article on jatland of 30/4/03 that how much potential we have and we are not using it even 1%.
Again congratulations to all.

People Speak

If aeroplanes bring out the worst in our ministers then these kind of articles bring out the worst in journalism. Vir Sanghvi has written this article in a very bad taste..is has a strong smell of casteism and it seems to be directed against the jat community. Vir Sanghvi is no better than Sahib Singh, He misused his power as a minister and Vir Sanghvi is doing the same...misuing his power as a journalist.

He sould have been much more responsible before writing such an article that direclty hurts the sentiment of millions of people. Jats have a long history of giving their lives for india, what effect will this artilce have on scores of jat soldiers in the Indian army. I just have one suggestion for Sanghvi..think before you write... otherwise you might land up in some serious trouble...and do not mention the gotras of ppl in your articles...unless you are publising a matrimonial advertisment.

- Mandeep Bamal, Leuven, Belgium (April 23, 2003)


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Dear Mr Sanghvi,
You have hurt the feeling of 60 millions jats through out the world. You also insulted our war heroes & shaheeds. Over 10 lakh jats died for this great country India. My family has a great army history of seven generations. My two grandfathers died during the first worldwar in France in FIRST ROYAL JAT REGIMENT. 5 uncles in 2nd world war. Three uncles were freedom fighters in Indian National Army INA. Uncle Mangay Ram Dudee died during 1971 war in 4 JAT REGIMENT. Suresh Dudee Died in Kargil war JAT REGIMENT. I was in the Indian navy flagship INS MYSORE during Goa liberation.

- Dharmpal Singh Dudee, London, UK (April 21, 2003)


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After reading the article and knowing the author's view on a particular caste, I do not credit the whole issue at all. Journalist in India are very much biased and this a just another example of this.

- Ranvir Dalal, Philadelphia, USA/India (April 7, 2003)


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I am thoroughly appalled by Vir Sanghvi's article. While the issue of abuse of power and mistreatment of a professional is definitely not under question, tying this incident to Caste is downright disgusting. Has Mr. Sanghvi lost all sense of right or wrong. Does he intend to imply that all Jats are like that or would behave similarly ? I wonder what his views are regarding Banias (are they all money grabbers ?), Brahmins (are they all cunning and scheming ?). Is this the state of Indian journalism ? Is this the sort of professionalism I should expect from a noted Journalist ? A downright castiest journalist ?

- Raj Rathee, USA (April 3, 2003)

[rkumar]

Dear Lamba Sahib and every one else,

All this shows that the address matters in this world. Jat communinity needs both hands and mouth.. If Jats in villages are our hands, the jats living overseas are certainly our toungues and mouths... and then there are like us who can act as communication links between these two.. I honestly believe that we jats have all the ingredients to have our rightful place in society if we coordinate our efforts. One thing is very sure; our roots remain in villages and there is no way we can have our rightful place in society without maintaining our links to these very roots. Let us keep our roots healthy if we wish to be seen taller than the rest...

Rajendra

[reenakhatri]

I am a new comer to the site I am coming as guest of reena.

I fel vir sanghvi is in no position to pass judgement on an episode which he was not personally witness to. I have gone through the article where he has appreciated the tenacity of jats. Hence he should be carefull in fuutre to pass judgement on Indviduals and ythe community. I have seen shahib singh verma inaction and I donot think the type of behaviour which is depicted in the article can be attributed to a soft spoken person like him. I am also a frequent flyer on Jet airways and know at times how inconcisedrate their crew can be.

Howerver congratulations for organiser of this site for providing a forum on iossues relevnet to the community

[akdabas]

Reena ji,

welcome to gr8 jatland. :)

reena khatri (May 01, 2003 09:41 a.m.):
I am a new comer to the site I am coming as guest of reena.

I fel vir sanghvi is in no position to pass judgement on an episode which he was not personally witness to. I have gone through the article where he has appreciated the tenacity of jats. Hence he should be carefull in fuutre to pass judgement on Indviduals and ythe community. I have seen shahib singh verma inaction and I donot think the type of behaviour which is depicted in the article can be attributed to a soft spoken person like him. I am also a frequent flyer on Jet airways and know at times how inconcisedrate their crew can be.

Howerver congratulations for organiser of this site for providing a forum on iossues relevnet to the community

[ravichaudhary]

[quote]reena khatri (May 01, 2003 09:41 a.m.):
I am a new comer to the site I am coming as guest of reena.

I fel vir sanghvi is in no position to pass judgement on an episode which he was not personally witness to.

I have seen shahib singh verma inaction and I donot think the type of behaviour which is depicted in the article can be attributed to a soft spoken person like him.

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I agree, Vir sangvi's story does not make sense !

Ravi

[akdabas]

Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 01, 2003 03:15 p.m.):
Reena ji,

welcome to gr8 jatland. :)

And I agree with your thoughts about Sahib Singh Verma. I have spoken to him several times when he was just an ordinary man and after he became the Chief Ministre and I can say that he was very polite during those talks.

Actually Mr. Azad Singh Lakra, his younger brother and I have a very good common freind from village Kanjhawala.

Its look like Mr. Sanghvi has some other problem with JATs and he just wanted to criticize Mr. Sahib Singh Verma. But I don't understand why he dragged the whole JAT community.

Anyway, our jatland members did a great job and made him to applogize and that is really a good sign of unity in JATS community and you know 'Unity is Strength'.


reena khatri (May 01, 2003 09:41 a.m.):
I am a new comer to the site I am coming as guest of reena.

I fel vir sanghvi is in no position to pass judgement on an episode which he was not personally witness to. I have gone through the article where he has appreciated the tenacity of jats. Hence he should be carefull in fuutre to pass judgement on Indviduals and ythe community. I have seen shahib singh verma inaction and I donot think the type of behaviour which is depicted in the article can be attributed to a soft spoken person like him. I am also a frequent flyer on Jet airways and know at times how inconcisedrate their crew can be.

Howerver congratulations for organiser of this site for providing a forum on iossues relevnet to the community

[ishwarlamba]

All,
I got another apology from Taluja who had written following letter on HT.
"The reason why he is being identified as a Jat is because he himself
wants it to be his identity and of course, it's the Jats who are also
associated with this kind of behaviour.

- Tanuja, San Francisco, USA (April 9, 2003) "
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I had sent him an email and following is the answer:

Good to hear from you on this. Apologise , did not meant to taint everyone with the same brush. I have unbelivable wonderfull frinds who are JAT( and by the way I don't even believe in caste) but I was just commenting on his behaviour. sorry for offending you, wasn't personal.
Congrats on your daughter's wedding.

Ishwar Lamba <Ishwar.Lamba@integral.com.au> wrote:
Tanuja Sahib,
Read your views on the above article.
I agree with u, Mr Sahib Singh Verma may be at fault.
I was born in a jat family in Delhi and living in Sydney Australia.
Community is the holy mother. It should be respected whether it yours or
mine, it is our Indian culture.
Bhai sahib again u said " it's the Jats who are also associated with
this kind of behaviour", is not fair.
U might have in contact with some crimnals who happened to be from a
jat family, again we all should not be blamed.
U blame and abuse as much as like Mr Sahib Singh Verma, I am with u,
but tell me, what is my fault?
Anyway happy to meet an Indian brother.

In July 2003, we are coming to LA, USA for marriage of my daughter.
Regards

Ishwar Lamba



The reason why he is being identified as a Jat is because he himself
wants it to be his identity and of course, it's the Jats who are also
associated with this kind of behaviour.

- Tanuja, San Francisco, USA (April 9, 2003)