malika sehrawat....shud we fell feel proud or embarassed?

[deepika]

i read many messages of so many jat people.well........i guess those people who feel proud to see mallika in a lead role haven't seen the promos of the movie.i have seen and MALLIKA is looking damn weird.wot i can say all is that......HEIGHTS.........the way she has dressed up and given weird shots one shudn't do it that way.as such i have nothing against her.

[sanjaychhikara]

well if thats the case deepika we shoudnt be proud of her bec she is paying a big prize for her (maybe) short fame

[ajaynehra]

Hi

To begin with in any career there is lots of struggle.. I haven't seen promos of that movie but .. being in a profession , if we have accepted Mallika as an actress so we should be ready to accept her in all roles. Because , it is understood ... How the Hindi movies are becoming more and more open ... or what ever word you use for that.
Gone are those days when we used to hav Nutan and Nargis , .... We have to be positive about that. It may be that when I will see the promos I may not like but I have no right to discourage Malika. It is her decision and I wish she excell all the heights of Success and become number 01. Although it sounds ...... different that a girl from Jat family is doing this.

But Yes , she should be carefull about choosing the role and the kind of exposure......... Because talent doesn't mean ............... un necessary show up. If someone is talented , it will pay in future......


AnyWay .. BEST of LUCK to Malika



NEHRA AJAY

[dkumar]

At one end (Indian End) .....It's not a matter of Pride as everyone knows what takes to be a heroine(abhinetri) NOW A DAYS in addtion to any talent required!

While at the other end (westernised end) this is being progressive........anyway....we are noone to criticise anyone's choosen career path!

[mbamal]

she is just doing wat is required of her....every actress has to do it...its a part of her job...I am proud of her..

[anujkumar]

Exactly, Mandeep !!!

[brainspeak]

hello all,
well i have seen the promos ...and as mandeep has said she is doing wht she is supposed to do.

[akdabas]

Hi All,

I think the question is, Should we feel proud or embarassed based on what kind of role she is doing in the film AND not that she is doing what she was asked to do.

I understand that we may need to struggle a lot to establish ourselves in any market but the question is... at what price ?

Her father stopped talking to her when she accepted this role. Is that good, not obeying your parents, espescially when u are from so reputed family ???

[shokeen123]

deepika singhroha (May 06, 2003 10:00 a.m.):
i read many messages of so many jat people.well........i guess those people who feel proud to see mallika in a lead role haven't seen the promos of the movie.i have seen and MALLIKA is looking damn weird.wot i can say all is that......HEIGHTS.........the way she has dressed up and given weird shots one shudn't do it that way.as such i have nothing against her.

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Who are we to pass judgement on her? Who is anyone to pass judgement on anyone, especially when he or she or their representative is not there to defend?

If we were to discuss a certain profession it would have been okay to express views in favor or against, however, it doesn't give us any right to ridicule a person without their fair representation.

Shouldn't we be happy and share if someone has reached the pinacle of their life, be it an astronaut or a film actress? What is our business? And even if it were objectionable, she probably doesn't give a damn? These are very personal choices and people have the right to practice what makes them happy. She is not the first woman ever to go into this field, besides the Jat community has nothing to loose by a Jat girl venturing into a new horizon. I am sure as an adult she made a conscious discision and shall be able to live by it!

[vivek]

I don't feel proud or embarrassed. Its just a note of interest, just like the fact that Randeep Hooda, Pravin Dabas are also jats. Generally the film industry is very tough if you do not have connections, and compromises generally have to be made to the leeches that populate the industry in order to survive long term. Indian version of escort services are full of 'would be heroines'. For every one Preity Zintas, there are thousands of 'Mandakalini's'. Its an industry where even Miss worlds are chewed up and used. I seriously doubt that the girl 'with star in her eyes' made decision with cool and judicious judgement, but I wish her all the luck

Ritu Chaudhary or (Mahima) seems to be the first jat gal in the film industry, and the last one heard of her was that she was being 'ditched' by Leander Paes.

About 20 years ago (when I was 21), My father was very good friends in Bombay with a very well known film producer from his hometown in Bijnor and there was a suggestion once.....and my father said 'no' before the sentence could be completed, and back to studying chemical engineering for me..lol.

[smalik]

I AM AGAINST IT

[amar0974]

Dabas Bhai saab na kati sahi kahi
"I understand that we may need to struggle a lot to establish ourselves in any market but the question is... at what price ?"

Merey Khayal se bhey

Ye......Achi Baat Nahi Hai

[sonal]

everything is related to price and value. one has to make his or her balance. I personally, against it

[guliya]

I think as far as Malika is concerned , she has opted to go into films and you hav eit take it that way. I still feel she is doing good foehelf and doing wht her job demands. She must have taken her decsion before going into films.

I think We should be happy for her and her recgnition.

Rohit

[deepika]

gosh!!!!!!!!!!
i think its high time when one shud realize the difference between creative core of a person and struggle.she may b successfull at this point of time but till when...........her parents have broke up.....do u ppl think this price is right to b paid for that so called SUCCESS.its to easy to oppose someone but one shud have solid reason.those who r not agree wid me do they have sufficient reasons.

[uday]

http://www.my-india.net/cgi-bin/n/viewnews.cgi?newsid1051261145,14321,

[artikundu]

we don't have any right to criticise other's people for what are they doing.
this is the biggest disadvantage that we are most interseted in what other's aredoing rather then what are we doing.
she is doing a great job and we shuld feel proud and afterall she is there with her own efforts so instead of letting her down we shuld make her more strong thro appreciation.it is ur freedom after all it is ur life and u shuld have full right what u wanna to do with that one.








deepika singhroha (May 07, 2003 06:26 a.m.):
gosh!!!!!!!!!!
i think its high time when one shud realize the difference between creative core of a person and struggle.she may b successfull at this point of time but till when...........her parents have broke up.....do u ppl think this price is right to b paid for that so called SUCCESS.its to easy to oppose someone but one shud have solid reason.those who r not agree wid me do they have sufficient reasons.

[rkumar]

It is really intersting reading comments of members on this subject. I agree with Sujata and Arti 100% that we have no business in passing judgements over what she is doing.Its unfortunate that Many talented Jat girls could not make it to the top in film industry just becasue of our prejudices. I am shocked to read commnets on her exposing or doing something which members feel is objectionable. Who says she got the role just because she is exposing ? There are thousands of good looking females in most big cities who will be more than happy to expose for film roles. It takes much more than exposing to act in a film. Even Nargis was paraded in swimming custume by Raj kapoor in one of his film in during the days when females were not willing to expose even their waiste..Still Nargis remained what she was..Filth is all in our attitude I suppose. How hypocratic we are when we clap for a hollywood heroine doing same thing and ridicule our own girl. Community should extend helping hand rather than ridiculing her. I fail to udersyand why we judge a person just by these trivial things? In a country where sex was never a taboo in olden days, people are trying to set their own moral codes these days. High time as a community we take broader outlook on such issues rather than just passing judgements. No one ever spoke of Rekha playing lesbian roles or Deepa mehta for all her juicy films....I am 100% sure, given the opportunity, our own Jat males will line up for nude roles..Then why so much of noise about Mallika?..I can smell islamic attidude among our people when it comes to treatinmg females...I am sorry if I hurt members' sentiments..

Rajendra

[abhishek]

It is her decision and let her face whatever comes.... as said none of our business to comment on what she does... there hundreds of them ...and what she is or gonna do is part of the business.

PS:and Mahima Chowdhury is NOT jat.. she is a bengali !!!!!!

[akdabas]

I agree with the words

"It is her decision and let her face whatever comes.... "

But I think here we were just trying to justify her role regarding JAT Community and not as an individual.

[singh_ranvir]

If possible, everyone should choose his/her profession acc to his/her real interest, then i can say sure he/she would be enjoy it throughout the whole life, otherwise if you are doing the things without ur own interest and just let us say for obeying ur parents or other social restrictions then you can not be happy with ur work and even u will feel that u are not fare with ur life.
And what we thing, all the restrictions and social norms of our society are good ?, it needs a relook on the social customs what we have specially in context of today’s life, certainly there are goodone but not all. Here, I am not criticizing our social system, but if someone is doing something with his/her interest, unless and until it’s really unusual act, we should not make him/her to feel embarrassed by making the comments even if we personally may not be in favour of it.

[vivek]

PS:and Mahima Chowdhury is NOT jat.. she is a bengali !!!!!![/quote]


I am not an authority on bollywood (having barely seen 3 bollywood movies in last three years), but I was given the impression that she was. My sister in India knows of the family, and some state level jat politicians were trying to get her canvass for them, when her star was a little brighter. (some of my family is in politics...so I overhear things when I visit India)

[artikundu]

good!!!!!!!!!!
keep it up .
nice words...................................


Ranvir Singh (May 07, 2003 02:37 p.m.):
If possible, everyone should choose his/her profession acc to his/her real interest, then i can say sure he/she would be enjoy it throughout the whole life, otherwise if you are doing the things without ur own interest and just let us say for obeying ur parents or other social restrictions then you can not be happy with ur work and even u will feel that u are not fare with ur life.
And what we thing, all the restrictions and social norms of our society are good ?, it needs a relook on the social customs what we have specially in context of today’s life, certainly there are goodone but not all. Here, I am not criticizing our social system, but if someone is doing something with his/her interest, unless and until it’s really unusual act, we should not make him/her to feel embarrassed by making the comments even if we personally may not be in favour of it.

[rsdalal]

Abhishek Dhama (May 07, 2003 12:02 p.m.):
It is her decision and let her face whatever comes.... as said none of our business to comment on what she does... there hundreds of them ...and what she is or gonna do is part of the business.

I agree with Abhishek bhai, It is her personal matter and none of our business to comment.

But at the same time when we say that we are proud of her. We are saying that she is a role model for others. No more it is her personal matter and in fact we are not talking about her as an individual, but we are in fact talking about one way of profession, she happened to choose...

[shivshikha]

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (May 07, 2003 09:31 a.m.):
It is really intersting reading comments of members on this subject. I agree with Sujata and Arti 100% that we have no business in passing judgements over what she is doing.Its unfortunate that Many talented Jat girls could not make it to the top in film industry just becasue of our prejudices. I am shocked to read commnets on her exposing or doing something which members feel is objectionable. Who says she got the role just because she is exposing ? There are thousands of good looking females in most big cities who will be more than happy to expose for film roles. It takes much more than exposing to act in a film. Even Nargis was paraded in swimming custume by Raj kapoor in one of his film in during the days when females were not willing to expose even their waiste..Still Nargis remained what she was..Filth is all in our attitude I suppose. How hypocratic we are when we clap for a hollywood heroine doing same thing and ridicule our own girl. Community should extend helping hand rather than ridiculing her. I fail to udersyand why we judge a person just by these trivial things? In a country where sex was never a taboo in olden days, people are trying to set their own moral codes these days. High time as a community we take broader outlook on such issues rather than just passing judgements. No one ever spoke of Rekha playing lesbian roles or Deepa mehta for all her juicy films....I am 100% sure, given the opportunity, our own Jat males will line up for nude roles..Then why so much of noise about Mallika?..I can smell islamic attidude among our people when it comes to treatinmg females...I am sorry if I hurt members' sentiments..

Rajendra


Well, I am not really an active member but after reading comments about " Mallika" i just had to step in. I am in total agreement with Mr Rajendra Kumar. First of all, I don't think its any of our business what "Mallika" does, more so just because she happens to be a jat. Its her life and she has every right to do what she wants,how she wants.
Why are we deciding what she should do or not do....Her being a Jat does not mean she has to live by your " Moral Standards "
Someone mentioned that she disobeyed her parents and its not good to do that. Don't you think that issue is between Mallika and her parents to reslove and its not a matter of our concern.
LEt Mallika lead her life in peace and I think there are more serious issues that Jats need to concentrate on like ending illiteracy,end to the purdah system, dowry etc.

[mbamal]

Shikha..its nice to see that you have also started participating....keep it up...we need all members to be actively involved in all discussions here at jatland...this is wat jatland is for....to share ur views...

I agree with u and abhishek...its her life and she is the only one to decide...but she has achieved something...and we should be proud of that...

[akdabas]

Shikha Chaudhary (May 08, 2003 12:36 p.m.):
Someone mentioned that she disobeyed her parents and its not good to do that. Don't you think that issue is between Mallika and her parents to reslove and its not a matter of our concern.


BTW, Let me tell you I wrote this.

Here is the link which talks about this.

http://www.my-india.net/cgi-bin/n/viewnews.cgi?newsid1051261145,14321
which is posted in the same topic which says the same thing. I don't who gave him the rights to write about their family matters ???

Off course that is none of our business whatever they do in their life. Thats their own life and no one should have a right to comment on their life :)

What do you think about All the journalists and other guys who write articles etc. in news papers ??? Why Mr. Sanghvi wrote about Sahib Singh Verma. Who gave him authority to write about him ???

Somebody wrote, Laloo prasad yadav did not stand up during Jan..Gan..Man... in the republic day parade.
Why the hack he wrote that. Who gave him that authority ??? Should he write that ???

But if anybody asks my opinion about any damn thing, I would without being biased. Thats should not be a matter of concern to anybody.

[akdabas]

Here is the Excerpts from The Constitution of India.

All citizens shall have the right — (a) to freedom of speech and expression.

Thats what everybody is doing here. So please try not to point fingers on anybody. Just present your opinion if you have any.

[smalik]

[quote]Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 08, 2003 06:35 p.m.):
I am totally agree with Ashok bhai.Its our community and we should care for it. individualism is fine but it leads to scattering of society. So I think all views we are expressing here is keeping our community in mind not Malika or A,B,C,D

[guliya]

PS again-- mahima Chaudhary is a Jat.

and regarding Mallika Sehravat,, shes is doing gr8, y do we have to crtisize here only. She ws not the first actress who has doen the so called objectionable seens in bollywood.
JUst cos shes a jat we dont have anyright to to critisize her

Rohit

[akdabas]

I think when we are talking about community we should avoid using the word 'WHATEVER', 'WHO CARES' etc. etc. If we have to use these words then I wonder why we are on a community site :)

[akdabas]

Rohit Bhai,

Ms. Mallika is a JAT and thats why we are talking about her. We are not talking about Mayavati....Ha...Ha...Ha.....

One more very important thing.. When we are talking about her that means we are considering her part of our community and family. That gives us right to talk about her. We are expressing our thoughts here as if she is someone from our community.

If she is not from our community..... who cares :) just kidding........................








Rohit Guliya (May 09, 2003 12:38 a.m.):
PS again-- mahima Chaudhary is a Jat.

and regarding Mallika Sehravat,, shes is doing gr8, y do we have to crtisize here only. She ws not the first actress who has doen the so called objectionable seens in bollywood.
JUst cos shes a jat we dont have anyright to to critisize her

Rohit

[shivshikha]

Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 08, 2003 06:39 p.m.):
Shikha Chaudhary (May 08, 2003 12:36 p.m.):
Someone mentioned that she disobeyed her parents and its not good to do that. Don't you think that issue is between Mallika and her parents to reslove and its not a matter of our concern.


BTW, Let me tell you I wrote this.

Here is the link which talks about this.

http://www.my-india.net/cgi-bin/n/viewnews.cgi?newsid1051261145,14321
which is posted in the same topic which says the same thing. I don't who gave him the rights to write about their family matters ???

Off course that is none of our business whatever they do in their life. Thats their own life and no one should have a right to comment on their life :)

What do you think about All the journalists and other guys who write articles etc. in news papers ??? Why Mr. Sanghvi wrote about Sahib Singh Verma. Who gave him authority to write about him ???

Somebody wrote, Laloo prasad yadav did not stand up during Jan..Gan..Man... in the republic day parade.
Why the hack he wrote that. Who gave him that authority ??? Should he write that ???

But if anybody asks my opinion about any damn thing, I would without being biased. Thats should not be a matter of concern to anybody.


well, one of the reasons Sanghvi wrote about Saheb singh is because Sanghvi gets paid big bucks for his opinions!!!!(However ridiculous they might be) Thats his job,and same goes for the others who wrote about Laloo, or any other Tom, Dick and Harry.... Secondly Saheb singh is a politician whose duties require him to work FOR the people not harrass and misbehave with them instead.

You have every right to express your opinion, thats why we have this website. No one is against your expressing ur opinion, its just that someone else might have a different opinion.

[shivshikha]

Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 09, 2003 09:37 a.m.):
I think when we are talking about community we should avoid using the word 'WHATEVER', 'WHO CARES' etc. etc. If we have to use these words then I wonder why we are on a community site :)


Doesn't this contradict your previous quote about free speech "

Here is the Excerpts from The Constitution of India.
All citizens shall have the right — (a) to freedom of speech and expression. "

Let people use whatever words they want to use. Thats the Fun part, the different opinions , the different flavours!!!!!!!!

and some how I don't know how we have gone from Mallika to Freedom of speech......thats actually good publicity for her !!!

[akdabas]

Well, we have duties towards our community which makes us express our opinion/suggestions etc. regarding community matters.

AND I do that free of cost :)

-------------------------------------------
well, one of the reasons Sanghvi wrote about Saheb singh is because Sanghvi gets paid big bucks for his opinions!!!!(However ridiculous they might be) Thats his job,and same goes for the others who wrote about Laloo, or any other Tom, Dick and Harry.... Secondly Saheb singh is a politician whose duties require him to work FOR the people not harrass and misbehave with them instead.

You have every right to express your opinion, thats why we have this website. No one is against your expressing ur opinion, its just that someone else might have a different opinion.[/quote]

[akdabas]

No, Not at all.

I think we should choose our words carefully. thats it.


Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 11:04 a.m.):
Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 09, 2003 09:37 a.m.):
I think when we are talking about community we should avoid using the word 'WHATEVER', 'WHO CARES' etc. etc. If we have to use these words then I wonder why we are on a community site :)


Doesn't this contradict your previous quote about free speech "

Here is the Excerpts from The Constitution of India.
All citizens shall have the right — (a) to freedom of speech and expression. "

Let people use whatever words they want to use. Thats the Fun part, the different opinions , the different flavours!!!!!!!!

and some how I don't know how we have gone from Mallika to Freedom of speech......thats actually good publicity for her !!!

[sanjaychhikara]

The problem with us Jats is that whenever we are in the limelight there is always the Jat word before our names, like Jet vs. Jat and many other examples. I don’t have a problem that this malika girl is acting or whatever she does, she is an adult she can do everything she likes but when her name is associated by the press with the Jat word, then we have the right to critice her on what she does bec that involves the whole community, The media is generalising the whole Jat community. Again for example jet vs. Jat, Mr Verma did something and writer wrote Jat, that’s not fair so many of us critised Hindustan times for that, this time on some points there is no difference. I don’t know what the problem of the media is that whenever a person does something good or bad to but the community Jat word before him, that’s not happening with other communities? And yes India is the biggest democracy in the world so everyone can express his meaning/oppinnion!!!

[akdabas]

Nicely Said Sanjay Bhai. You churned out the focus point here. :)

Sanjay Chhikara (May 09, 2003 12:40 p.m.):
I don’t have a problem that this malika girl is acting or whatever she does, she is an adult she can do everything she likes but when her name is associated by the press with the Jat word, then we have the right to critice her on what she does bec that involves the whole community

[shivshikha]

Sanjay Chhikara (May 09, 2003 12:40 p.m.):
The problem with us Jats is that whenever we are in the limelight there is always the Jat word before our names, like Jet vs. Jat and many other examples. I don’t have a problem that this malika girl is acting or whatever she does, she is an adult she can do everything she likes but when her name is associated by the press with the Jat word, then we have the right to critice her on what she does bec that involves the whole community, The media is generalising the whole Jat community. Again for example jet vs. Jat, Mr Verma did something and writer wrote Jat, that’s not fair so many of us critised Hindustan times for that, this time on some points there is no difference. I don’t know what the problem of the media is that whenever a person does something good or bad to but the community Jat word before him, that’s not happening with other communities? And yes India is the biggest democracy in the world so everyone can express his meaning/oppinnion!!!

I quite agree with what you said about the JAT word association before our names. I have always wondered why that is, probably because we are spread across many states and not one state defines us, unlike most others like bengal, gujarat etc...but then i am just contemplating..i could be wrong...This could be a good topic of discussion and food for thought !!!

And if the media is generalising the whole Jat community, then why do we blame the person,isn't it the fault of the media ? Media lives off of Info like this because that is what sells their magazines and papers because Everyone loves to gossip and take a dig at others. I think ,we have to oppose and criticize the media, the stereotyping that is putting everyone on the same level.

In the case of Sahib singh, Sanghvi went over the top with a headline "Jet vs Jat" which was very unappropriate and people opposed it which was the right thing to do. But in Sahib singhs case he misbehaved with people, which is not pardonable(surprisingly, not many jats I know have condoned that!!!). But I think the case is Different with Mallika. She is just doing her job . i don't think media is saying anything bad about Jats because of her..( at least i haven't read anything). I think we are having a problem with her because she happens to be a JAT GIRL who has to live by our moral standards, so that no one points fingers at US. I think that is a little unfair. I think we have to accept people for who they are and encourage them so that it opens doors for other people too. Isn't that what a community ought to do ? Agreed, these days film stars have to do a lot of racy scenes, but thats part of their profession. It doesn't make them a bad person !!! We are judging her purely based on what we see on screen.

Regarding other coomunities,even they get the heat from the media. The sikhs have gotten it for years. I think we all have stereotypes and as a result of which some one stereotypes us too. It is foolishness and ignorance on everyones behalf. US and THEM.

[sanjaychhikara]

Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 01:57 p.m.):
I quite agree with what you said about the JAT word association before our names. I have always wondered why that is, probably because we are spread across many states and not one state defines us, unlike most others like bengal, gujarat etc...but then i am just contemplating..i could be wrong...This could be a good topic of discussion and food for thought !!!

Regarding other coomunities,even they get the heat from the media. The sikhs have gotten it for years. I think we all have stereotypes and as a result of which some one stereotypes us too. It is foolishness and ignorance on everyones behalf. US and THEM.

Shikha ji, Good that it comes to our attension now, its better to discuss then this topic beacuse we are just blaming each other

[akdabas]

I would suggest to see some promo or advertisements before any further talk.

Here is the link to watch some scenes from the movie. Its a restricted view. Please see at your own risk.

1) http://www.hindustantimes.com/
2) news/919_217266,001800010001.htm

Add 2) in after 1) to see the contents.

This link is not to offend anybody's feeling. I just thought that its good to know what kind of role Ms. Mallika is performing.

After seeing this, I think I could never feel proud on her. I would feel very very proud if she become President, Prime Minister, IFS, IAS, IPS, Governor, Collector, DM, SDM etc. etc. and I wish her good luck for that.

Good publicity though....

[rsdalal]

Rajender ji,
Very good points,
I agree she did not got the job just because of this one thing. But I believe it played a major role specially when you do not have any connections in bollywood.
In my opinion we do not have any right to interfere in somebody’s personal matters, but at the same time we all have right to express our opinion, specially when it is about setting role models for our next generation. When we say we are proud of Virender Sehwag, we are indirectly saying that we wish all next generation jats should try to be like him, if they can.

But How many of us really think of her as a Role model for the next generation ???

Let me give you one example of another famous JATNI, who was far more famous than Malika. How many of us here are proud of her as well. She was also doing her job, just like Malika. Do you recall in 1980's in UK there was a SEX scandel involving PAMELA Singh, She was a JATNNI(Miss India, I Guess, far more talented than Malika). If we use the same justification, that lots of ladies would be ready to do the same what Pamela did, to achieve that.

If we compare both these cases, these are not exactly similar, but at the same time not so much different. Both involved short cuts to instant fame.

Hope I did not hurt somebody’s feeling here. And I do not want to talk about Malika in particular, but about the profession she is in. Hope it works for her and she can demand better role for her in future base on her performance. But at least I would not like her to be a role model for next generation Jats....

[shivshikha]

Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 09, 2003 03:37 p.m.):
Rajender ji,
Very good points,
I agree she did not got the job just because of this one thing. But I believe it played a major role specially when you do not have any connections in bollywood.
In my opinion we do not have any right to interfere in somebody’s personal matters, but at the same time we all have right to express our opinion, specially when it is about setting role models for our next generation. When we say we are proud of Virender Sehwag, we are indirectly saying that we wish all next generation jats should try to be like him, if they can.

But How many of us really think of her as a Role model for the next generation ???

Let me give you one example of another famous JATNI, who was far more famous than Malika. How many of us here are proud of her as well. She was also doing her job, just like Malika. Do you recall in 1980's in UK there was a SEX scandel involving PAMELA Singh, She was a JATNNI(Miss India, I Guess, far more talented than Malika). If we use the same justification, that lots of ladies would be ready to do the same what Pamela did, to achieve that.

If we compare both these cases, these are not exactly similar, but at the same time not so much different. Both involved short cuts to instant fame.

Hope I did not hurt somebody’s feeling here. And I do not want to talk about Malika in particular, but about the profession she is in. Hope it works for her and she can demand better role for her in future base on her performance. But at least I would not like her to be a role model for next generation Jats....

Being actually involved in a Sex Scandal and doing a racy film are entirely two different things !!!! There is no relation. Pamella was NOT doing her job of just being a model or Ms India etc etc. She ventured into things that were NOT a part of her job. There is no statistics showing that every model/actress who does a steamy scene lands up in a sex scandal .

As for Mallika being a role model, i don't think anyone is even suggesting that . All I am saying is I am neither proud nor embarrassed, I am indifferent to what Mallika does because its her life and no matter what she does, it doesn't affect mine !!!!

And now, purely out of curiosity would Mallika be a role model IF she won a couple of Oscars or made it big internationally, despite all her racy scenes? I know it is way over the top, but think about it.

Don't u think then, it will be us who will be saying things like a Jat got an oscar etc etc???? ...........or maybe not !!!!

[shokeen123]

deepika singhroha (May 07, 2003 06:26 a.m.):
gosh!!!!!!!!!!
i think its high time when one shud realize the difference between creative core of a person and struggle.she may b successfull at this point of time but till when...........her parents have broke up.....do u ppl think this price is right to b paid for that so called SUCCESS.its to easy to oppose someone but one shud have solid reason.those who r not agree wid me do they have sufficient reasons.

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Ms. Singhroha:

I am not sure what reasons you are referring to, for single handedly and categorically denouncing Mallika’s actions? However, here is the response to your very last line... First of all why don’t you allow people to speak their mind rather than simply expect them to agree with you? You may have noticed there are many who have echoed your voice, yet some who feel it is “none of their business to contemplate something on someone else’s behalf?” In all fairness, how can we ruminate about such issues as a single entity? Fair equation, right?

Hello people…

How do we know what must have transpired in Mallika's quest to reach where she wanted to be? There is so much else that is “not right” within our community, do we challenge everything and anything that is associated with the word “Jat?” As far as Mallika's success or failure is concerned, it hasn’t been concluded, yet, one way or the other! And even if that were the case, she alone bears responsibility for her actions.

We are neither in her, nor her parents’ shoes! Neither are we the "prosecuting attorney" the “defending lawyer” nor the “jury!” A crime has not been committed here, and yet she has been put on trial by people who hardly know her? This is a public forum and yes, people have the right to speak their mind, but not pass personal judgement. This not a public court! No one (at least as her representative) has asked any opinion! Being a Jat, Ishwar uncle may have felt obligated to share the news. I am not even sure why another thread had to be started for same topic? Wouldn’t it have been perfectly fine to express comments right under the same thread: “Jat Girl Malika Sehrawat with leading role in Hindi Film?” This in itself was pretty broad topic, and would have allowed room for a healthy discussion? So much for being sensitive…

How would people on this board like to be evaluated on "how well" or "how poorly" they are doing in their respective fields or their lives? How would anyone here like to discuss his or her family disputes or feuds, successes (successes may be) and failures? Don’t we all have some thing that hasn’t stood test of times? Don’t we all have something to regret; something to feel proud of; and something to just let go? At an individual level we are very selective in sharing "only that pleases our senses." It is with this same understanding we must allow this young woman to practice her rights. Any volunteers… to be judged about why someone chose to be in certain profession… and how many people were upset and or offended by his/her decision? And whether the entire community’s consensus was taken for that M.Sc. or Ph.D. degree, or for going into medicine or sports or computer sciences? I am sure people deliberated over pros and cons for their own future and not what would happen to the entire community, unless it was a profession with shame attached to it?

Yes, there are some steamy scenes, and yes the tabloids have taken their own jab at adding mirch masala. And yes, at a personal level many of us would refrain from choosing a profession that would raise eyebrows. But even with all that scrutiny such judgement should be preserved for personal application, it should stay within the context of our own domain… our own daughter, our own wife, or own sister. And finally, in our “creative core” we all have certain principles that guide us, and one of them reminds us “thou shall not judge others…” It is basic human courtesy to live and let live…

Not too long ago there was a request from Dhanesh Kumar for all community members to post their pictures here. Some enthusiasts had it ready and posted promptly, however there was one member who "politely declined to accept this popularly accepted view!"

Simple as that... not every one here shares the same values or views as far as personal dicisions or moral grounds are concerned. No, posting a picture can not be compared with choosing a profession, however, the principle remains same...we must respect each other's privacy and individual rights!

[akdabas]

And now, purely out of curiosity would Mallika be a role model IF she won a couple of Oscars or made it big internationally, despite all her racy scenes? I know it is way over the top, but think about it.

Don't u think then, it will be us who will be saying things like a Jat got an oscar etc etc? ...........or maybe not !!!!

******************************

You never know, sometimes dream comes true. Let's keep our finger crossed :)

People say..
"First Impression Is Last Impression" though personally I don't beleive in this and this is not a 100% true statement.

[akdabas]

Sujata Ji,

I agree with you 100% except with the domain stuff. Though I would not say anything much to clarify.

But e. g. when somebody says "are wo te mere gaon ka chora se.... dekhoon te sahi koon peetan lag rha se usne....Aur phir us chore kee himayat mein wo aa jata hei."
At that time the domain is "Village" and not just his own son, brother, daughter, our own wife, or own sister.
So its difficult to define the area of domain for any individual. Its the individual's own preception. how he thinks. If he thinks only about him or relatives or freinds or village etc. etc.


BTW, Have a nice weekend :)

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But even with all that scrutiny such judgement should be preserved for personal application, it should stay within the context of our own domain… our own daughter, our own wife, or own sister.

[akdabas]

Here is another link.

http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2003/mar/29mallika.htm

[shekhar_nehra]

Welcome to Jatland Deepika ji,
Thanks for starting this wonderful and lively discussion.

Well as far as I am concerned , I think it would be too premature for us to give a verdict on Mallika's acting skills.We should at least wait till the movie "Khwahish" is released and wait even more till we see Mallika in some other roles as well.I haven't seen the promos of the movie.


As far as the question" Being proud or embarrassed of Mallika" is concerned.
There are three aspects to this:
1. Mallika being a Jat .
2. She being an actress.
3. She doing some weird shots in a movie.

1. I am happy to note that she is a jat and I would be happy to see her prosper in life.

2. She has every right to decide what is right or wrong for her.But we all know that acting as a profession has its own set of pros and cons, even she would have been aware of them, if not she will know them soon.

3. Third and the main point of concern here(The one being debated out here). I personally feel she should not have done the shots which demands her to show skill other than acting. It could have been an act desperation on the part of the young actress to get a break. I hope to see her in more gracious and powerful roles in near future.
I wish her good luck.

[sangwans]

May I submit follwing to the Jatr brothers and sisters:

First of all I think it is too early that our collegue has sought cheers for her role being a jat. Then Lamba bhai shab has taken us to feel the pride from her family pedegree with Seth Chhajju Ram. I think something wrong has been started and promoted on the jatland. We should avoid these things and at least be care full in glorifying because:

1. Jat as such have the reputation of values, valour, hard work, intelligence applied to society etc. not to self in the first and hardly related to successes.

2. Historically, Jat have not succeeded in several instances but did not bent and stood for principles that pertained to them (of course some of them may be irrelevant for present time but otherwise is also not all the geniune).

3. As jats, we should respect and encourage and recognize 'progress to stand right' rather than 'final success'.

4. It is strength of trust, non-selfishness, work hard and till last for any good cause, relaibility, straightforwardness for both accepting and rejecting (not the middle way) etc. jat are well known for even by all other communities: all times.

5. Digging ourt anything in high and color by a jat and be a kind of 'tempus fugit' to adorn or acclaim all jats could be dangerous for all. So we should not take a cognizance of it as such.

6. Media has already identified her as jat much before which it rarely does for other heroines simply because it is a deviation from community norms.

7. Then we have gone further to relate her present day achievement to the achievement/contribution of her family (Seth Chhaju Ram). It is embarassment for all of us. The family stood for something novel and uncomparable. If media picks this up, I am sure it would be maligning the all jats. The family has been one of the insignia of Jats. Jat previously have been put to corner by stories of Pamella after once same way rejoicing success celebrations. Finally did it made us to raise the head or down.

8. Abberations in a community are possible. It is not the conservative to not accept it as a great achievement of jats. Jats have been most acceptable so far acts are gracefull. Probably Jat had best fo openness to assimilate non-castes so far it has been done in an honourable way.

9. We should attempt not to glorify people at leasthastly simply because something or someone has got a success suddenly from gound close to zero.

10. In my opinion, small succeses achieved in a more or less linear and rising way are much more more improtant (rather only) rather than those big ones from null all of a sudden through unfair or favor or in a surrogate to something or someone that matters. In that way we would be proud by conscience, consistently and would encourage the community to advance and serve humanity retaininbg its insignia. If we leave the insignia of values in all respects (entertainment, acedemics, politics, society, ceremonies, celebrations, way of life and behaviour and what not), then there is no specific identification and we are just human beings and unidentifiable as anyway distinct from others. Would we not be better encouraging the community to advance at large rather than a single or few shots fired nicely from others rifles. I believe,: correct or laudable (to us) results by incorrect methods are not correct in tests of time and soul rather incorrect (unsuccessful) results despite correct methods would only be annals of achievements or efforts of achivement, always to cite. This is what we do as goes for jat history.

12. Unfortunately, we are looking to single big leap without seeing the walk de novo. Lets see the full race all times and not the win or loss. If we run well, we are better acclaimed in loss. If we do not run well, success is not related to the race.

13. In this instance, let us take it as a personal progress of the jat heroine by the ways and means she deemed fit. We as should neither patronise the ways and means nor the so called outcome of success or failure thereof.

14. Let us wait and watch, how the race goes further. If it was an abberant way to get the handle and all goes fine further, could be several series of goods can camoflouge the bad. But if bad breeds true to bad acts, all is bad and a mutation in community, a mutation in the family.

15. A success is one that has consistency and tracablilty ab initio. In this instance it is a beginning or a bad beginning, let us it serves us to pride in future or put back in stand by box for the time being.

[rkumar]

Dear friends,

I had already expressed my views on the subject and was not keen to go any further. Now after reading the ongoing debate I am compelled to make few additional points.

1. Jats will make lots of noise on moral values but will come forward rarely to extend the helping hand.

2. In Fiji we have Mr Mahendra Choudhary who was illigally removed from power. How much our so called great jats have done to help him politically or by organising any kind of support?

3. I read the typical jat male attitude of many members here. This reminds me of even Dharmendra who never wanted his daughters through Hema Malini to join films, though he enjoyed all the privileges of flirting around with all shades of heroines and finally when his daughter is acting in films, the jat lion is totally helpless.

I fail to understand why so much fuss about a non issue? why are we hinging all our Jat pride on this girls acting in some particular way in films? Let her do what she thinks is right for her. High time we jats come out of our narrow mind set as far as jat women are concerned. At best we were medivial as far as this aspect of our attitude is concerned. and mind you, whether u guys like or don't like, todays jat girls are very agressive and bold and if we don't support them, they too care hoot for us. After all they are our blood and have all our characters. They don't think themselves any less than our boys..So let us be honest in our words and deeds. Do we really consider our daughters and sons equal in all respects? if yes then why so much noise? If we son't care what our sons do, then why worry so much about our daughters? Its their life, let them decide what is best for them...who knows they take the jats to much greater heights than what we all think....

Rajendra

[shokeen123]

Wow! This indeed is a community at work!

Let's review some topics that could have gained a momentum in sharing community efforts and enthusiam....

Award to Sonepat Farmers: 3 responses
Jats: Farms to Power: 6 responses
Cancer Hospital: 9 responses
Seth Chhaju Ram: 2 responses
Haryana to have Sports University in Jind: 2 responses
Jat Honor for Sale in 15 Days: 7 responses
Jat History Books in Libraries Across Big American Cities: ZERO responses!

Mallika Sherawat's Personal Life: 50 strong.... and still going... no, that's not enough, there are formal manifestos being submitted and "the summit" is still at it! There is no telling when and where it will stop...the verdict is not our yet!

[akdabas]

Here are the facts which shows that the jatland members do care about their community.

Great job everybody !!!!!!!!!!! Keep it up...

A MEMORIAL IN HONOUR OF ALL INDIAN MARTYRS &SHAHEEDS ON MARTYRDOM DAY AND ALWAYS FOR EVER (read 589 times) - 73 Posts

Higher Education in Canada and USA (read 501 times) - 42 Posts

jet vs Jat (Must read and write to Hidustan Times) (read 245 times) - 42 Posts.
Jat Vs Jet ( Vir Sanghvi of HT tenders apology) - 29 Posts
Total = 71 Posts

Mallika - The JAT actress (I think it does not matter if the posts are to praise her or criticise) - 51 Post

jat students interested in cancer research!!! (read 204 times) - 26 Posts

IIM AHMEDABAD GOLD MEDALIST FOR THIS YEAR (read 311 times) - 49 Posts

Thread: Intercaste marriage is NOT for Jats! (read 244 times) - 47 Posts

Jats Personalities contributed in fame. (read 260 times) - 40 Posts.

Nonica Datta and jat bashing (read 220 times) - 22 Posts

Some recent Statistics on Haryana. (read 189 times) - 21 Posts

New Jat history group (read 173 times) - 23 Posts

Who (read 421 times) - 73 Posts

any poets around????? (read 245 times) - 83 Posts

Origin of Jats (read 224 times) - 37 Posts

LET'S MEET IN 2003? (read 571 times) - 46 Posts

[akdabas]

Dear Rajender Ji,

I agree with your most of views. Please allow me to answer some of your questions though.

1. Jats will make lots of noise on moral values but will come forward rarely to extend the helping hand.

-----> I think JATs are famous for helping others if the help was asked in the proper way. Thats why we say God Hanuman was JAT :)
This a huge topic and I don't think it would be prudent to discuss this it here.

2. In Fiji we have Mr Mahendra Choudhary who was illigally removed from power. How much our so called great jats have done to help him politically or by organising any kind of support?

- I think in Haryana a lot of fund was collected from public and handed over to Ch. Mahendera by Cheif Minister Ch. Om Prakash Chotala and it was clarified later.

3. I read the typical jat male attitude of many members here. This reminds me of even Dharmendra who never wanted his daughters through Hema Malini to join films, though he enjoyed all the privileges of flirting around with all shades of heroines and finally when his daughter is acting in films, the jat lion is totally helpless.

- Nobody gave Dharmendra any oscar award for flirting around with shades of heroines. Bad is always bad I think It does not matter whether a boy does it or a girl..

I fail to understand why so much fuss about a non issue? why are we hinging all our Jat pride on this girls acting in some particular way in films? Let her do what she thinks is right for her. High time we jats come out of our narrow mind set as far as jat women are concerned. At best we were medivial as far as this aspect of our attitude is concerned. and mind you, whether u guys like or don't like, todays jat girls are very agressive and bold and if we don't support them, they too care hoot for us. After all they are our blood and have all our characters. They don't think themselves any less than our boys..So let us be honest in our words and deeds. Do we really consider our daughters and sons equal in all respects? if yes then why so much noise? If we son't care what our sons do, then why worry so much about our daughters? Its their life, let them decide what is best for them...who knows they take the jats to much greater heights than what we all think....

-----> I think its bad if any one is not treating their sons and daughters equal. I agree with you that they should be given equal opportunity but again, not for anything which destroys their family image but for a good cause.

AND one very important point here.. I am talking in general and not for any person specific.

regards,

[shivshikha]

Ashok Kumar Dabas (May 11, 2003 01:29 p.m.):
Here are the facts which shows that the jatland members do care about their community.

Great job everybody !!!!!!!!!!! Keep it up...

A MEMORIAL IN HONOUR OF ALL INDIAN MARTYRS &SHAHEEDS ON MARTYRDOM DAY AND ALWAYS FOR EVER (read 589 times) - 73 Posts

Higher Education in Canada and USA (read 501 times) - 42 Posts

jet vs Jat (Must read and write to Hidustan Times) (read 245 times) - 42 Posts.
Jat Vs Jet ( Vir Sanghvi of HT tenders apology) - 29 Posts
Total = 71 Posts

Mallika - The JAT actress (I think it does not matter if the posts are to praise her or criticise) - 51 Post

jat students interested in cancer research!!! (read 204 times) - 26 Posts

IIM AHMEDABAD GOLD MEDALIST FOR THIS YEAR (read 311 times) - 49 Posts

Thread: Intercaste marriage is NOT for Jats! (read 244 times) - 47 Posts

Jats Personalities contributed in fame. (read 260 times) - 40 Posts.

Nonica Datta and jat bashing (read 220 times) - 22 Posts

Some recent Statistics on Haryana. (read 189 times) - 21 Posts

New Jat history group (read 173 times) - 23 Posts

Who (read 421 times) - 73 Posts

any poets around????? (read 245 times) - 83 Posts

Origin of Jats (read 224 times) - 37 Posts

LET'S MEET IN 2003? (read 571 times) - 46 Posts

I can't find this particular thread
" Intercaste marriage is NOT for Jats! (read 244 times) "
Under which category is it ?

[akdabas]

Shikha Chaudhary (May 11, 2003 03:25 p.m.):
I can't find this particular thread
" Intercaste marriage is NOT for Jats! (read 244 times) "
Under which category is it ?

General Talks - Page#25.

[rameshlakra]

hi all
100% agrees with sujata ji , redhu .,dhama and dabas . everybody is free to do what one likes.
who has made the pros and cons ???? us ? the society . well there is so much rut that goes on behind the closed door ?? so what the fuss about someone showing some flash and it is the society that has defined the decency , god had not come down and drawn a line ; and even if HE does ., well everyone has his/her on decision to make and one life to live and it should not botherer other mortal like us .

[ishwarlamba]

Dr. Rajender Singh Sangwan Ji,
As Lt Ramesh Lakra has rightly concluded, I have nothing to say further. Let us respect all views on our jatland.
Is it ok, Australia is 6 hours ahead, I read Indian newspapers and post news regarding jats good or bad?
Regards

[singh_ranvir]

tik kah rahe ho aap,

Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 09, 2003 03:37 p.m.):
Rajender ji,
Very good points,
I agree she did not got the job just because of this one thing. But I believe it played a major role specially when you do not have any connections in bollywood.
In my opinion we do not have any right to interfere in somebody’s personal matters, but at the same time we all have right to express our opinion, specially when it is about setting role models for our next generation. When we say we are proud of Virender Sehwag, we are indirectly saying that we wish all next generation jats should try to be like him, if they can.

But How many of us really think of her as a Role model for the next generation ???

Let me give you one example of another famous JATNI, who was far more famous than Malika. How many of us here are proud of her as well. She was also doing her job, just like Malika. Do you recall in 1980's in UK there was a SEX scandel involving PAMELA Singh, She was a JATNNI(Miss India, I Guess, far more talented than Malika). If we use the same justification, that lots of ladies would be ready to do the same what Pamela did, to achieve that.

If we compare both these cases, these are not exactly similar, but at the same time not so much different. Both involved short cuts to instant fame.

Hope I did not hurt somebody’s feeling here. And I do not want to talk about Malika in particular, but about the profession she is in. Hope it works for her and she can demand better role for her in future base on her performance. But at least I would not like her to be a role model for next generation Jats....

Being actually involved in a Sex Scandal and doing a racy film are entirely two different things !!!! There is no relation. Pamella was NOT doing her job of just being a model or Ms India etc etc. She ventured into things that were NOT a part of her job. There is no statistics showing that every model/actress who does a steamy scene lands up in a sex scandal .

As for Mallika being a role model, i don't think anyone is even suggesting that . All I am saying is I am neither proud nor embarrassed, I am indifferent to what Mallika does because its her life and no matter what she does, it doesn't affect mine !!!!

And now, purely out of curiosity would Mallika be a role model IF she won a couple of Oscars or made it big internationally, despite all her racy scenes? I know it is way over the top, but think about it.

Don't u think then, it will be us who will be saying things like a Jat got an oscar etc etc???? ...........or maybe not !!!!

[rsdalal]

Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 09, 2003 03:37 p.m.):
Rajender ji,
Very good points,
I agree she did not got the job just because of this one thing. But I believe it played a major role specially when you do not have any connections in bollywood.
In my opinion we do not have any right to interfere in somebody’s personal matters, but at the same time we all have right to express our opinion, specially when it is about setting role models for our next generation. When we say we are proud of Virender Sehwag, we are indirectly saying that we wish all next generation jats should try to be like him, if they can.

But How many of us really think of her as a Role model for the next generation ???

Let me give you one example of another famous JATNI, who was far more famous than Malika. How many of us here are proud of her as well. She was also doing her job, just like Malika. Do you recall in 1980's in UK there was a SEX scandel involving PAMELA Singh, She was a JATNNI(Miss India, I Guess, far more talented than Malika). If we use the same justification, that lots of ladies would be ready to do the same what Pamela did, to achieve that.

If we compare both these cases, these are not exactly similar, but at the same time not so much different. Both involved short cuts to instant fame.

Hope I did not hurt somebody’s feeling here. And I do not want to talk about Malika in particular, but about the profession she is in. Hope it works for her and she can demand better role for her in future base on her performance. But at least I would not like her to be a role model for next generation Jats....

Being actually involved in a Sex Scandal and doing a racy film are entirely two different things !!!! There is no relation.


Yes they are not same thing, but not very different as well, that is exactly what I said in my original post, if you read it one more time.

[b]Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
As for Mallika being a role model, i don't think anyone is even suggesting that . All I am saying is I am neither proud nor embarrassed, I am indifferent to what Mallika does because its her life and no matter what she does, it doesn't affect mine !!!!
!
Shikha, as I stated earlier, I (or we) do not have any right to interfere in here persional life. Here is your statement from earlier post, where you suggest of encouraging her so that it opens door for others. I wounder your opinion changed in just 2 days. It is good that you are not suggesting her as a role model any more.

[b]Shikha Chaudhary
I think we have to accept people for who they are and encourage them so that it opens doors for other people too. Isn't that what a community ought to do ?
!

[b]Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
And now, purely out of curiosity would Mallika be a role model IF she won a couple of Oscars or made it big internationally, despite all her racy scenes? I know it is way over the top, but think about it.
!
No she will still not be a role model for her racy scenes, But yes if she does hard work and achieve some thing from her hard work(Not the short cuts she is taking now), I beleive next generations hsould learn from her hard work. Every one does some good and bad things in life, but only their good things people admire. SO again I am not proud of today's Malika.

[rkumar]

Dear Frineds,

Sorry that once again I am entering the debate. I pose few questions to every one;

1. What are the options open to a Jat girl if she is very keen in entering film line ?

2. How many Jats are in film producion or direction line ?

3. How many Jat enterpreneurs are willing and capable of getting into film production and willing to give break to Jat girls like Malika?

4. How much clean money is really available in India to produce films?

5. Do all jats beleive that its only the merit what counts in entering films?

6. Do all my friends beleive that Ashwaria Rai did not compromise when she entered into films ? The relationship between her and Salman khan was purely personal or had promotional angle?

7. Don't you think that its the smuglers and black marketers who finance most of the films in India and even so called respected actors live at their mercy ?

8. Do you think even Sushmita Sen make it to any significant level in films with all her miss universe title behind her and even after accepting petty roles?

AND FINALLY....read finally..

9. Will Jats raise enough funds to start a so called " Clean Films Academy" to give break to Jat girls/ boys ?

May be we have a healthy debate now on the topic by answering above questions and may by posing some more questions which many of you may like to put forward. I have lots to add but will refrain for the moment.

Rajendra

[shivshikha]

Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 12, 2003 08:50 a.m.):
Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 09, 2003 03:37 p.m.):
Rajender ji,
Very good points,
I agree she did not got the job just because of this one thing. But I believe it played a major role specially when you do not have any connections in bollywood.
In my opinion we do not have any right to interfere in somebody’s personal matters, but at the same time we all have right to express our opinion, specially when it is about setting role models for our next generation. When we say we are proud of Virender Sehwag, we are indirectly saying that we wish all next generation jats should try to be like him, if they can.

But How many of us really think of her as a Role model for the next generation ???

Let me give you one example of another famous JATNI, who was far more famous than Malika. How many of us here are proud of her as well. She was also doing her job, just like Malika. Do you recall in 1980's in UK there was a SEX scandel involving PAMELA Singh, She was a JATNNI(Miss India, I Guess, far more talented than Malika). If we use the same justification, that lots of ladies would be ready to do the same what Pamela did, to achieve that.

If we compare both these cases, these are not exactly similar, but at the same time not so much different. Both involved short cuts to instant fame.

Hope I did not hurt somebody’s feeling here. And I do not want to talk about Malika in particular, but about the profession she is in. Hope it works for her and she can demand better role for her in future base on her performance. But at least I would not like her to be a role model for next generation Jats....

Being actually involved in a Sex Scandal and doing a racy film are entirely two different things !!!! There is no relation.


Yes they are not same thing, but not very different as well, that is exactly what I said in my original post, if you read it one more time.

[b]Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
As for Mallika being a role model, i don't think anyone is even suggesting that . All I am saying is I am neither proud nor embarrassed, I am indifferent to what Mallika does because its her life and no matter what she does, it doesn't affect mine !!!!
!
Shikha, as I stated earlier, I (or we) do not have any right to interfere in here persional life. Here is your statement from earlier post, where you suggest of encouraging her so that it opens door for others. I wounder your opinion changed in just 2 days. It is good that you are not suggesting her as a role model any more.

[b]Shikha Chaudhary
I think we have to accept people for who they are and encourage them so that it opens doors for other people too. Isn't that what a community ought to do ?
!

[b]Shikha Chaudhary (May 09, 2003 05:57 p.m.):
And now, purely out of curiosity would Mallika be a role model IF she won a couple of Oscars or made it big internationally, despite all her racy scenes? I know it is way over the top, but think about it.
!
No she will still not be a role model for her racy scenes, But yes if she does hard work and achieve some thing from her hard work(Not the short cuts she is taking now), I beleive next generations hsould learn from her hard work. Every one does some good and bad things in life, but only their good things people admire. SO again I am not proud of today's Malika.

Mr Dalal,
Why do I have the feeling that u r a little ticked off !!!! quotes like " U need to read it one more time " ....

Well,I will avoid the line by line rebuttal ...............Its really not worth it !!!!!!!
I followed your suggestion about reading your quote ONE MORE TIME and I am sorry to say that I am still not convinced by " they are not so different: sex scandal and skin exposure " But its not a big deal. You think they r not different and I think they r. Lets just leave it at that.
because Its not important, right ?
As for the other point about me changing my opinion in 2 days, naaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!!!!! All I suggested was if we have to take a stand,we should support her. I don't know how she became a ROLE MODEL from that posting to this one........all i know is that frankly i don't give a hoot about what she does, how she does ...blah ..blah.. blah...
Well, this was my first discussion at jatland and i thoroughly enjoyed it !!!! In other words I am moving on....

Mr Dalal,what say you? shall we call it a truce ?

[shokeen123]

Going on page four guys...

One request...Please don't shoot the messenger....in this case it happens to be me...

************************************************** ************************************
Sorry that once again I am entering the debate. I pose few questions to every one;

Rajinderji, it’s not just you, many of us are feeling that way about this topic…

1. What are the options open to a Jat girl if she is very keen in entering film line?

Here is the three-part answer….

None.

First of all, entering film industry for the Jat girls is still considered a taboo (we have seen enough evidence of that here) and carries, perhaps a lifelong stigma…

However, if a Jatni is hell bent on such an adventure, I am sure she will have to follow in the footsteps of the others…

2. How many Jats are in film production or direction line?

I know of none, but have a feeling sooner or later someone will venture in the area.

3. How many Jat entrepreneurs are willing and capable of getting into film production and willing to give break to Jat girls like Mallika?

As of now, I know only of our Harvinder Malik, other than that, the field still remains to be an un chartered territory for Jats, I am sure if such entrepreneurs existed, they will probably be willing to give chance to Jat girls.

4. How much clean money is really available in India to produce films?

Zip….

But then again, I have been out of the country for a while so I couldn’t fairly comment on that…

5. Do all Jats believe that it’s only the merit what counts in entering films?

Not applicable to all Jats… there are SOME with a mind set of their own… no matter what the topic, no matter what the circumstances, they tend to zoom only in one direction… and beat their own drum!

6. Do all my friends believe that Ashwaria Rai did not compromise when she entered into films? The relationship between her and Salman khan was purely personal or had promotional angle?

What Ashwaria Rai did or didn’t do is really none of my business… acting is a form of art, if she justifies that role the only impact it will have on me is that I might prefer seeing more of her movies, regardless of her moral standings!

7. Don't you think that it’s the smugglers and black marketers who finance most of the films in India and even so called respected actors live at their mercy?

Been out of India for long time, wouldn’t be fair for me to comment on things that I am not sure about….

8. Do you think even Sushmita Sen make it to any significant level in films with all her miss universe title behind her and even after accepting petty roles?

Her success or failure is none of my business…again, however, the fact that she won the “Miss Universe” title under India’s name is a matter of pride for me…

Having said that, I am personally against the “beauty stuff” beauty is only skin deep, it’s the human values that carry a lot more weight. She did answer the hypothetical question with grace and intellect, and therefore had my vote of confidence!

However, let us not mix up beauty with acting...now, there we have a difference... acting is art and a profession...

AND FINALLY....read finally..

9. Will Jats raise enough funds to start a so-called " Clean Films Academy" to give break to Jat girls/ boys?

“A Jat Clean Films Academy” I don’t know whatever that means… Jats raising funds for clean film academy? First of all they have to have a good understanding of the word “film academy!” In SOME cases it would be ludicrous to even fathom the thought of such artistic venture… let alone raise funds!

May be we have a healthy debate now on the topic….

Oh yes, there will be a debate, a very long one…but healthy? I am not sure….

However, I have a feeling my interest and contribution for this topic are ceasing....There is no right way to say a wrong thing!

[rsdalal]

Shikha Chaudhary (May 12, 2003 11:51 a.m.):

Mr Dalal,
Why do I have the feeling that u r a little ticked off !!!! quotes like " U need to read it one more time " ....

Shikha I would not know why you have that feeling, you need to ask yourself about that, As far as I know, when someone do not have any valid point of discussion he/she starts on this kind of thing. Any way I am not going to get into this, because have a feeling that you can beat me in this easily...

Shikha Chaudhary (May 12, 2003 11:51 a.m.):
Well,I will avoid the line by line rebuttal ...............Its really not worth it !!!!!!!
I followed your suggestion about reading your quote ONE MORE TIME and I am sorry to say that I am still not convinced by " they are not so different: sex scandal and skin exposure " But its not a big deal. You think they r not different and I think they r. Lets just leave it at that.
because Its not important, right ?
As for the other point about me changing my opinion in 2 days, naaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!!!!! All I suggested was if we have to take a stand,we should support her. I don't know how she became a ROLE MODEL from that posting to this one........all i know is that frankly i don't give a hoot about what she does, how she does ...blah ..blah.. blah...
Well, this was my first discussion at jatland and i thoroughly enjoyed it !!!! In other words I am moving on....

Mr Dalal,what say you? shall we call it a truce ?


Shikha, I posted your both lines from your post, I have not added anything into any of your lines, so if both the statements contradicts to each other, why you want to blame me for.
May be you can read your statemnet and let us know what is role model called if not that.

Shikha Chaudhary (May 12, 2003 11:51 a.m.):
all i know is that frankly i don't give a hoot about what she does, how she does ...blah ..blah.. blah...

You gave your opinion, I gave mine. You want to encourage, I don't.

[lokeshc21]

Guys,
Everyone has an opinon about everything. But it all boils down to one thing. If she is happy with what she is doing then nothing else matters. She is an entertainer/artist, so we all should chill, sit back, relax, sip a beer and let her do her job :)

Cheers

[akdabas]

Lokesh Bhai,

Ha..ha..ha... you got it :)

Does it matter if she is jat or not and from which family she belongs to... ???

BTW, I liked your idea of sip a beer and let her do her job :)

Lokesh Choudhary (May 12, 2003 02:04 p.m.):
Guys,
Everyone has an opinon about everything. But it all boils down to one thing. If she is happy with what she is doing then nothing else matters. She is an entertainer/artist, so we all should chill, sit back, relax, sip a beer and let her do her job :)

Cheers

[akdabas]

Rajender ji,

Let me try to answer some of your questions.

1. What are the options open to a Jat girl if she is very keen in entering film line ?
-> I think all the options which are available to others are also evailable to a jat girl or boy. The point is which role should be accepted by a jat girl/boy so that the community can feel proud on them.

2. How many Jats are in film producion or direction line ?
-> Perhaps very few.

3. How many Jat enterpreneurs are willing and capable of getting into film production and willing to give break to Jat girls like Malika?
-> The question here is. Do the jats like filmi dunia other then just watching ?

4. How much clean money is really available in India to produce films?
-> I think the total money (Rs. 3 Crore only) which was spent on this move is very less for the family she belongs.

5. Do all jats beleive that its only the merit what counts in entering films?
-> No, I dont beleive that I do beleive that merit always counts and pays. To go for steamy scenes is neither a skill nor a merit. Thousands of people will do that in India for money.

6. Do all my friends beleive that Ashwaria Rai did not compromise when she entered into films ? The relationship
between her and Salman khan was purely personal or had promotional angle?
-> Why do we care about her at jatland. she is not a JAT.

7. Don't you think that its the smuglers and black marketers who finance most of the films in India and even so called respected actors live at their mercy ?
-> The cost of Khwaish is just 3 crore rupees. Her family was billionaire long before India got freedom.

8. Do you think even Sushmita Sen make it to any significant level in films with all her miss universe title behind her and even after accepting petty roles?
-> Why do we care about her at jatland. she is not a JAT.

AND FINALLY....read finally..

9. Will Jats raise enough funds to start a so called " Clean Films Academy" to give break to Jat girls/ boys ?
May be we have a healthy debate now on the topic by answering above questions and may by posing some more questions which many of you may like to put forward. I have lots to add but will refrain for the moment.
Rajendra

-> I think there are so many movies which just requires good acting skills and not the color of your skin. I can name so many actresses who never exposed themselves on screen. Exposing is not a key for success in films.

[rsdalal]

Guys let me ask you one simple question.
How many of us wish that more and more JAT girls should follow her trend ????

[akdabas]

I would not want any jat girl to follow this trend for sure. I would support all jat members to be a great acter or actress but would not support this trend.

[lokeshc21]

Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 12, 2003 03:23 p.m.):
Guys let me ask you one simple question.
How many of us wish that more and more JAT girls should follow her trend ????

Ranvir/Ashok,
First of all its wrong on our part to worry about only JAT girls. Say if Mallika becomes a super star then every girl in our country will look up to her irrespective of caste and culture. So why this discrimination in our thinking
Secondly, Why can't we accept the fact that it doesn't matter if she is a JAT girl or not, for me she is just another artist/human being. If more JAT girls wish to follow her then its their own wish and right. Who are we to say who should follow which trend. I am sure many of us have not followed the footsteps of our ancestors. There are bound to be a few mavericks in every generation and Mallika is just another.

[uday]

In My opinion.......No JAT girl should follow this trend......

Kharcha karo apney se nichey wale ko dekh kar........Trakki karo ... apne se uper wale ko dekh kar.....Per trakki ko hasil karne mai aapni deen-Imaan or Aatma ko mat becho.....

( No individual can set it right or wrong... Bhai Jaton ki panchayat ( discussion) ho rahi hai.. Jatland per... Lath & Jelli.... computer per chala nahi saktey.. otherwise screen would be RED by now...Ha....ha...ha

Lambaji jaise mhare Bade-budhe post karti hana bhi dar rahe hai.. ki post karoon ak nahi karoon.. as mention by Mr. Lamba itself in his thread....

********Following was in HT dated 13/5/03
I was scared to post in Current Affairs as young people were fighting.

Aish, Sehwag team up to play street cricket
GC Shekhar
Chennai, May 12 *********

Suggestiuon :-

Dear Nitin... can we have polling method on such articles?? to get a general overview.......

If an article is discussed 50 times ( for pro 's and Con's) then it should automatically go for members polling area......


Ranvir Singh Dalal (May 12, 2003 03:23 p.m.):
Guys let me ask you one simple question.
How many of us wish that more and more JAT girls should follow her trend ????

[dan]

"In My opinion.......No JAT girl should follow this trend......"

If it were to go by the way some people on this site think i think india and on the whole jats will be set in stone age......women will be in pardha........and every 1 will be a farmer.....

who gives any 1 to say i dont like what shes doin cause shes a jat.arey puri duniya ka theka liya hua hain kya.......


people shopuld juss mind their own business and do something constructive and worthwile in their lives rather than pass senseless coments

[akdabas]

If it were to go by what :( think then I don't think their would be any cloth on anybody and they would be really in stone age.....................

BTW, Tekha na le rakhya kise ne bhee. aur tekha liye te ke kaam challe sei. Hum unte khan ne dete na aur na hee vei mhare te.....

But I would like to ask you one question. Please don't get offended.

You wrote :- "people shopuld juss mind their own business and do something constructive and worthwile in their lives rather than pass senseless coments"

What do you think, anybody who gives his/her opinion/suggestion to any other is worthless and he should mind his/her own business ?

What are you doing here :( Why are you giving your suggestions. Is your statement true for you also or just for others ?

How could you say senseless...Do you really think that what people writing here is senseless ? Talking about their community is senseless. Do you want people to shut their mouth ?

Great !! Good job Rajdan Bhai. Keep up the good work.

Rajdan Nain (May 13, 2003 05:28 p.m.):
"In My opinion.......No JAT girl should follow this trend......"

If it were to go by the way some people on this site think i think india and on the whole jats will be set in stone age......women will be in pardha........and every 1 will be a farmer.....

who gives any 1 to say i dont like what shes doin cause shes a jat.arey puri duniya ka theka liya hua hain kya.......


people shopuld juss mind their own business and do something constructive and worthwile in their lives rather than pass senseless coments

[amar0974]

hahaha Deepika na Aachi "Baandra Ma Bheley Bagai"
Laagey Raho par Bhai Rajdan ji key Baat (people shopuld juss mind their own business and do something constructive and worthwile in their lives rather than pass senseless coments) Kuch Swad Aali Nahi Laagi. Rajdan ji Please Aisey Baato se Thoda Parhej Karo or Swastha behas karo.

[sanjaychhikara]

Guys this is just a public discussion, every one can say and express his opionion there is nothing wrong with that.
And yes am proud of beging a farmers son!!!

[uday]

Dear Rajdan Nain,

On public chat no one is trend setters especially when individual views are concerned. It is general views as asked by Ranvir Bhai and everyone is open to put his views. If any one likes it that is ok, if not then it is upto individual how to take it.


Rajdan Nain (May 13, 2003 05:28 p.m.):
"In My opinion.......No JAT girl should follow this trend......"

If it were to go by the way some people on this site think i think india and on the whole jats will be set in stone age......women will be in pardha........and every 1 will be a farmer.....
****************
( JAT girls are not bounded to my decision or your decision.)

Waise Ashok bhai ne teekh hi likha hai…
“”If it were to go by what think then I don't think their would be any cloth on anybody and they would be really in stone age.....................””

Also in this era, It is proud to become a FARMER in Haryana side especially in Rohtak \ sonepat \ Jind and Delhi Subba side... Fields ke naam per logon ke ek-ek, do- do khood hi bach rahi hai.. farmer banna to bahut badi baat hai….
*********************
who gives any 1 to say i dont like what shes doin cause shes a jat.arey puri duniya ka theka liya hua hain kya.......
**********
( Kya aap or main public chat per login kar ke puri duniya ke JATS community ka theka le sakte hai kya ?? answer is “NO”

Chautala ke Raaj main ek district ke “Thekey” to miltey nahi, Puri duniya ka kahan se milega :-) :-)
***********

people shopuld juss mind their own business and do something constructive and worthwile in their lives rather than pass senseless coments[/quote]
******
( Chalo Maan liya that by putting my views, as u so called senseless comments, I was not doing my own business. By the way thari ke JATLAND.COM ke is thread main Bhains ( buffalo) khoo rahi thee jisne dhoondtey dhoontey u reacxhed here and was forced to write some constructive comments )

Stay Well !!!

[rsdalal]

Sanjay bhai rightly said.

Sanjay Chhikara (May 14, 2003 07:19 a.m.):
Guys this is just a public discussion, every one can say and express his opionion there is nothing wrong with that.
And yes am proud of beging a farmers son!!!

[narender]

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (May 07, 2003 09:31 a.m.):
It is really intersting reading comments of members on this subject. I agree with Sujata and Arti 100% that we have no business in passing judgements over what she is doing.Its unfortunate that Many talented Jat girls could not make it to the top in film industry just becasue of our prejudices. I am shocked to read commnets on her exposing or doing something which members feel is objectionable. Who says she got the role just because she is exposing ? There are thousands of good looking females in most big cities who will be more than happy to expose for film roles. It takes much more than exposing to act in a film. Even Nargis was paraded in swimming custume by Raj kapoor in one of his film in during the days when females were not willing to expose even their waiste..Still Nargis remained what she was..Filth is all in our attitude I suppose. How hypocratic we are when we clap for a hollywood heroine doing same thing and ridicule our own girl. Community should extend helping hand rather than ridiculing her. I fail to udersyand why we judge a person just by these trivial things? In a country where sex was never a taboo in olden days, people are trying to set their own moral codes these days. High time as a community we take broader outlook on such issues rather than just passing judgements. No one ever spoke of Rekha playing lesbian roles or Deepa mehta for all her juicy films....I am 100% sure, given the opportunity, our own Jat males will line up for nude roles..Then why so much of noise about Mallika?..I can smell islamic attidude among our people when it comes to treatinmg females...I am sorry if I hurt members' sentiments..

Rajendra


I totally agree with Rajendra ji...................
" Look at the brighter side of things"

[akdabas]

Kuch jyada to nahin ho gaya ye.... :)

Pata nahin kese JAT honge ve....

Narender Bhanwala (May 15, 2003 05:48 a.m.):
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (May 07, 2003 09:31 a.m.):
I am 100% sure, given the opportunity, our own Jat males will line up for nude roles..Rajendra
I totally agree with Rajendra ji...................
" Look at the brighter side of things"

[sangwans]

Lamba Saheb

I fully agree. The debate is also right. It is also good that the subject and the news on it are well analyzed in the community. With my personal regards: Rajender Sangwan


Ishwar Singh Lamba (May 11, 2003 11:23 p.m.):
Dr. Rajender Singh Sangwan Ji,
As Lt Ramesh Lakra has rightly concluded, I have nothing to say further. Let us respect all views on our jatland.
Is it ok, Australia is 6 hours ahead, I read Indian newspapers and post news regarding jats good or bad?
Regards

[rajiv7]

My elders, my age mates and younger friends,

One should not jump in to express an opinion without knowing the background and full facts. If you cannot get full facts then at least one should have some facts to base your opinions on.

Sujata ji, Shikha ji, Arti ji, Lokesh ji, Ishwar ji and Rajendra ji - You all may not be aware of all the facts or even 10% of the facts.

Thats all I have to say...

Rajiv

[deepika]

al you ladies if you don't know the things better i'll suggest you to shut the trap and see the movie yurself..very funny..u mean to say there's nothing bad in leaving family just for the sake of yur career.....even MAMTA KULKARNI is an actress but who likes her...except all those females who wrote against me....m i right kundu mam?Arti Kundu (May 07, 2003 08:02 a.m.):
we don't have any right to criticise other's people for what are they doing.
this is the biggest disadvantage that we are most interseted in what other's aredoing rather then what are we doing.
she is doing a great job and we shuld feel proud and afterall she is there with her own efforts so instead of letting her down we shuld make her more strong thro appreciation.it is ur freedom after all it is ur life and u shuld have full right what u wanna to do with that one.








deepika singhroha (May 07, 2003 06:26 a.m.):
gosh!!!!!!!!!!
i think its high time when one shud realize the difference between creative core of a person and struggle.she may b successfull at this point of time but till when...........her parents have broke up.....do u ppl think this price is right to b paid for that so called SUCCESS.its to easy to oppose someone but one shud have solid reason.those who r not agree wid me do they have sufficient reasons.

[deepika]

thank you so much...so telling them that they are on the wrong track,and i guess you know abt. all the facts how she reached to this stage......Rajiv Lather (May 18, 2003 04:47 a.m.):
My elders, my age mates and younger friends,

One should not jump in to express an opinion without knowing the background and full facts. If you cannot get full facts then at least one should have some facts to base your opinions on.

Sujata ji, Shikha ji, Arti ji, Lokesh ji, Ishwar ji and Rajendra ji - You all may not be aware of all the facts or even 10% of the facts.

Thats all I have to say...

Rajiv

[guliya]

its mallika's life

is she think shes doing good then its ok.

i feel its ok for her and shes doing good for herself

[amit_sehrawat]

i feel that a new hot wave is spreading across the fields of jatland which was immune to such changes for soem time..mallika is no doubt a piece of stinking ****.. i ahve seen her talking on tvshow.. she was making statement that even a whore wont make if a whore has to give interview on tv. but first analyze yourself specially the dominating males of jat community.. if we want our females to stay away frm al this then we must provide them adequate security ,love and affection... and its not for jats all of us shud realize why r we imitating america or uk and saying bye bye to our traditional values..this is not development .. not at all...our youth shud think abt it.. coz for past 7centuries we were fighting against invaders or rulers and now we got a bit freedom then inspite of trying to improve our social values and life style we are producing an environment where any jat girl goes to bbay and strips herself... actually you shudnt blame the other person .. we sud blame ourselves that we are producing an environment where a girl does think abt her physical needs first without caring abt feelings of the parents and the society..... infact i m not asking to be rigid like talibans but there shud be a sense of morality which comes frm with in not frm social presssure.. i want the comment of other guys a s well as gals

[akdabas]

http://www.webdunia.com/bollywood/mulakaat/0306/03/1030603057_1.htm

[yvsgaawar]

Ashok Kumar Dabas (Jun 03, 2003 10:04 a.m.):
http://www.webdunia.com/bollywood/mulakaat/0306/03/1030603057_1.htm

Thank you Ashok Bhai..

[mbamal]

amit it looks as if u need some help and good advice and not mallika on values n manners...grow up..let her do what she wants to..its her life and we have not right at all to comment on it...leave alone calling her bad names...shes n actress...shes doing what her profession demands of her..

[deepika]

i guess its time when you shud open yur eyes to the world and grow up......u have never seen her talking nor even her probos then y so u so damn sympathized towards her.she is a weird female and anybody can make out who knows even a bit abt. her.even u wud have had supported me if u had even a little information abt. her.so u better stop defending without any logic....Mandeep Bamal (Jun 03, 2003 02:07 p.m.):
amit it looks as if u need some help and good advice and not mallika on values n manners...grow up..let her do what she wants to..its her life and we have not right at all to comment on it...leave alone calling her bad names...shes n actress...shes doing what her profession demands of her..

[artikundu]

I' m strongly in favor of u and what about u deepika being a girl u r criticising a girl.

what u know about her??tell me mere reading about the comments on the some gossips colums u can imagine and tell about the values in her life.
i think itna discussion to uske gharwalo ne bhi nahin kiya hoga jita hum loge ne jaatland per kiya diya.
why can't we concentrate more on our life then mere passing our judgemnt on other people lifes.
i think it is too much to criticise anyone like that specially when personally u don't know any thing about that person.
so plz let her leave and discuss something worth discussing.




Mandeep Bamal (Jun 03, 2003 02:07 p.m.):
amit it looks as if u need some help and good advice and not mallika on values n manners...grow up..let her do what she wants to..its her life and we have not right at all to comment on it...leave alone calling her bad names...shes n actress...shes doing what her profession demands of her..

[artikundu]

i think u need some more time to mature.


what to male jaat models who are stripping infront of camera long time back???
can i ask where were u at that time????????????




amitsehrawat (Jun 03, 2003 09:53 a.m.):
i feel that a new hot wave is spreading across the fields of jatland which was immune to such changes for soem time..mallika is no doubt a piece of stinking ****.. i ahve seen her talking on tvshow.. she was making statement that even a whore wont make if a whore has to give interview on tv. but first analyze yourself specially the dominating males of jat community.. if we want our females to stay away frm al this then we must provide them adequate security ,love and affection... and its not for jats all of us shud realize why r we imitating america or uk and saying bye bye to our traditional values..this is not development .. not at all...our youth shud think abt it.. coz for past 7centuries we were fighting against invaders or rulers and now we got a bit freedom then inspite of trying to improve our social values and life style we are producing an environment where any jat girl goes to bbay and strips herself... actually you shudnt blame the other person .. we sud blame ourselves that we are producing an environment where a girl does think abt her physical needs first without caring abt feelings of the parents and the society..... infact i m not asking to be rigid like talibans but there shud be a sense of morality which comes frm with in not frm social presssure.. i want the comment of other guys a s well as gals

[artikundu]

i am here only deepika madam.

i don't want to pass my comments on anyone without seeing the truth.
just answer my simple question madam.
how much u personally know her??????
have u met her or simply looking at the movie u r making ur comment??????
it is ridiculoius if u r passing ur comments only by looking at what we call "idiot box"?
so,can u give a break to this topic now???????
i think it is too much and her parents are there to take care for her not u madam to teach her values?
i hope u get my point.



deepika singhroha (Jun 03, 2003 06:38 a.m.):
al you ladies if you don't know the things better i'll suggest you to shut the trap and see the movie yurself..very funny..u mean to say there's nothing bad in leaving family just for the sake of yur career.....even MAMTA KULKARNI is an actress but who likes her...except all those females who wrote against me....m i right kundu mam?Arti Kundu (May 07, 2003 08:02 a.m.):
we don't have any right to criticise other's people for what are they doing.
this is the biggest disadvantage that we are most interseted in what other's aredoing rather then what are we doing.
she is doing a great job and we shuld feel proud and afterall she is there with her own efforts so instead of letting her down we shuld make her more strong thro appreciation.it is ur freedom after all it is ur life and u shuld have full right what u wanna to do with that one.








deepika singhroha (May 07, 2003 06:26 a.m.):
gosh!!!!!!!!!!
i think its high time when one shud realize the difference between creative core of a person and struggle.she may b successfull at this point of time but till when...........her parents have broke up.....do u ppl think this price is right to b paid for that so called SUCCESS.its to easy to oppose someone but one shud have solid reason.those who r not agree wid me do they have sufficient reasons.

[artikundu]

first try to respect women.
calling or comparing someone whore means a lot.....................








amitsehrawat (Jun 03, 2003 09:53 a.m.):
i feel that a new hot wave is spreading across the fields of jatland which was immune to such changes for soem time..mallika is no doubt a piece of stinking ****.. i ahve seen her talking on tvshow.. she was making statement that even a whore wont make if a whore has to give interview on tv. but first analyze yourself specially the dominating males of jat community.. if we want our females to stay away frm al this then we must provide them adequate security ,love and affection... and its not for jats all of us shud realize why r we imitating america or uk and saying bye bye to our traditional values..this is not development .. not at all...our youth shud think abt it.. coz for past 7centuries we were fighting against invaders or rulers and now we got a bit freedom then inspite of trying to improve our social values and life style we are producing an environment where any jat girl goes to bbay and strips herself... actually you shudnt blame the other person .. we sud blame ourselves that we are producing an environment where a girl does think abt her physical needs first without caring abt feelings of the parents and the society..... infact i m not asking to be rigid like talibans but there shud be a sense of morality which comes frm with in not frm social presssure.. i want the comment of other guys a s well as gals

[deepika]

o wow!thanks 4 telling that i m a girl ..........i din't know that.where is it written that a girl shudn't oppose the other female if she is on the WRONG track....and by the way what about u?i guess u r also a female then.........why r u opposing me?now do u have any kind of illogical and useless explanations then go ahead........u GIRL:-(and by the way i know all abt her. and i have seen her also.....now?mouth wide open?it shud be........she has done her grad. from delhi from MIRANDA HOUSE.....anything else u wanna know u can....got it!lolz even AISHWARYA is not doing such things thatshe does.you what yur MALLIKA DIDI is doing?she is wearing such weird clothes just to earn fame in wrong manner coz she knows when it comes to talent and creativity she can't survive in this industry?voila!!!!!!!!!!!!still uexpect me to defend her .and as far as model jaat guys are concerned then by the way from where this topic arrived and who defended those silly skunks. better don't mix up the things,wotever u r doing its just like asking WHO IS ARJUN?after hearing RAMAYANA.[ quote]Arti Kundu (Jun 04, 2003 02:45 a.m.):
I' m strongly in favor of u and what about u deepika being a girl u r criticising a girl.

what u know about her??tell me mere reading about the comments on the some gossips colums u can imagine and tell about the values in her life.
i think itna discussion to uske gharwalo ne bhi nahin kiya hoga jita hum loge ne jaatland per kiya diya.
why can't we concentrate more on our life then mere passing our judgemnt on other people lifes.
i think it is too much to criticise anyone like that specially when personally u don't know any thing about that person.
so plz let her leave and discuss something worth discussing.




Mandeep Bamal (Jun 03, 2003 02:07 p.m.):
amit it looks as if u need some help and good advice and not mallika on values n manners...grow up..let her do what she wants to..its her life and we have not right at all to comment on it...leave alone calling her bad names...shes n actress...shes doing what her profession demands of her..[/quote]

[rkumar]

hahahahahaha..... jo bhi ho lekin arguments/ counter arguments padh kar maja aa raha hai.....hahahaha...keep it up ladies and gentlemen..... readership of this topic is still very high....hahahahaa

Rajendra

[rsdalal]

Amit ,
I agree 100 % with your message, but if you could have used the better choice of words to express the same thing, it would have been much better, as this message board have many female members as well.

[mbamal]

deepika...y r u so against her...atleast u could respect her courage..she went against the wishes of her family and did what she thought is best for her..shes a grown up and she can make her decisions herself..just because she happens to b from a jat background doesnt mean that she should refrain from pursuing her career path..and if thats the case..if jat background should prevent any girl from doing what she wants to do then that is definitely not a nice thing...and that should change..and that change has already manifested itself with mallika featuring in a "bold" movie...its us who need to grow up and and accept this kind of change..if u r so offended by it then perhaps u should not watch the movie and close ur eyes everytime u see the movie trailor...she is a professional and shes doing it professionaly...and precisely coz of this reason we should refrain from passing any "moral" judgement and for that matter passin any lewd n filthy comments...

[rsdalal]

Mandeep Bhai,
There are thousands of girls in India, who runs away from their homes to Bombay each year, all against the wishes of their parents. Does that alone makes it a bold step you should support.
I am surprise that going against the family wishes itself is a bold step in your opinion and you call it courage.

It is just not Jat background, which dicourages for this kind of trend. May be you can tell us, which other community/backgorund encourages this.

Arr bhai hade kisse ke rokke te ke wa rukk ja gee, I my opinion we are just giiving her more publicity.

Mandeep Bamal (Jun 04, 2003 09:09 a.m.):
deepika...y r u so against her...atleast u could respect her courage..she went against the wishes of her family and did what she thought is best for her..shes a grown up and she can make her decisions herself..just because she happens to b from a jat background doesnt mean that she should refrain from pursuing her career path..and if thats the case..if jat background should prevent any girl from doing what she wants to do then that is definitely not a nice thing...and that should change..and that change has already manifested itself with mallika featuring in a "bold" movie...its us who need to grow up and and accept this kind of change..if u r so offended by it then perhaps u should not watch the movie and close ur eyes everytime u see the movie trailor...she is a professional and shes doing it professionaly...and precisely coz of this reason we should refrain from passing any "moral" judgement and for that matter passin any lewd n filthy comments...

[mbamal]

dalal bhaisahab,

u r rt in saying that running away from home is not a good thing...i was talking particularly abt mallikas case..she did not run away or anything..she took a professional decision..she was first into modeling..and only after being successful thr she got an offer for this movie..we shoud b proud of that fact that shes making it big in bollywood inspite of so many hurdles...we shouldnt see everything in a black n white view...male n female r equal..if we can b proud of dharmendra who went to mumbai to be a hero then we can as well b proud of malllika..

[akdabas]

I would highly suggest to go throuth the web dunia interview with Mallika before making any further coments.

1. All Haryana JATS - wine, gun and cicken butter only. I know so many GREAT JATS from Haryana. - How dare she made a public comment like this ???
AND people ask me who gave you write to say anything about Mallika.
What do u mean by that ? I am also a JAT. How could she talk about us like this. and why not us ???

2. Acting is different then the statement she made publicly about enjoying these 17 real scenes.
her argument was:- If hero can enjoy why not me. I am quite young. Is she doing acting or enjoying those scenes ? Saying publicly makes a big difference.

3. Her parent went for shock therapy after seeing the promos only. What would happen when they see the full picture. Of course they would be proud of their daughter.-- Poor guys.

I was reading Amisha Patel interview. Reporter asked her that why don't you do what bipasha is doing ?
She replied, what would I tell to my kids when they grow. Your mummy did these great real scenes and enjoyed.

[akdabas]

Khoob mazza le rahe ho Kalkhunde sahib :(

Ha..Ha...Ha......................

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Jun 04, 2003 05:28 a.m.):
hahahahahaha..... jo bhi ho lekin arguments/ counter arguments padh kar maja aa raha hai.....hahahaha...keep it up ladies and gentlemen..... readership of this topic is still very high....hahahahaa

Rajendra

[akdabas]

Ranvir Bhai,

Ke aitraj hei apne Mandeep ke proud karne pe. Usne proud kyon nahin karne dete ):

Ha...Ha...Ha.... just kidding.

Mandeep Bamal (Jun 04, 2003 10:49 a.m.):
dalal bhaisahab,

u r rt in saying that running away from home is not a good thing...i was talking particularly abt mallikas case..she did not run away or anything..she took a professional decision..she was first into modeling..and only after being successful thr she got an offer for this movie..we shoud b proud of that fact that shes making it big in bollywood inspite of so many hurdles...we shouldnt see everything in a black n white view...male n female r equal..if we can b proud of dharmendra who went to mumbai to be a hero then we can as well b proud of malllika..

[rkumar]

ladies and gentlemen,

Does it really serve any purpose for us to waste our time talking about a issue where the person concerned does not even know who we are? Imagine that even if we pass a resolution condemning her, what difference it will make on her ? Best will be to let her enjoy her young age ( as per her statement) and we also enjoy watching her movie like any other people...Why feel shy watching her, if she has no problem doing what all she is enjoying....Cheer up friends...why bother ...

Rajendra

[akdabas]

Excellent !

Watch her movies thinking that she is also another bipasha, mamta or pamella. ---- DON'T WATCH WITH YOUR FAMILY THOUGH.

Ek baat aur, kise te badai mat marna, ke wo Jat sei, jese Virender Sehwag ke naam pe maro so. (Some people are exempted)

Have fun friends !


Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Jun 04, 2003 12:46 p.m.):
ladies and gentlemen,

Does it really serve any purpose for us to waste our time talking about a issue where the person concerned does not even know who we are? Imagine that even if we pass a resolution condemning her, what difference it will make on her ? Best will be to let her enjoy her young age ( as per her statement) and we also enjoy watching her movie like any other people...Why feel shy watching her, if she has no problem doing what all she is enjoying....Cheer up friends...why bother ...

Rajendra

[rkumar]

[quote]Ashok Kumar Dabas (Jun 04, 2003 01:01 p.m.):
Excellent !

Watch her movies thinking that she is also another bipasha, mamta or pamella. ---- DON'T WATCH WITH YOUR FAMILY THOUGH.

Ek baat aur, kise te badai mat marna, ke wo Jat sei, jese Virender Sehwag ke naam pe maro so. (Some people are exempted)

Have fun friends !
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Bhai Ashok, jab lugaai na ruke aur yah kah ki mai tan yoonhi nangee challungee beech galee ke, to gaon ke karega..bhalai essee mai hai ki sab dekho aur maja lo aur kaho ke bhabhi, maja aagaya, roj yoonhi nikala kar gale se.....hahahahahaha

Rajendra

[sanjaychhikara]

Kalkhunde saab good to know :) that u at least enjoy watching her movie;

Well it’s just the fact that we are using our right of freedom of expression of what we think and say!!!

And the matter is concerning us bec we are related to it when she is called a JAT actress.

If she doesn’t know who we are what difference does that make when she knows us, when a reporter writes about her he doesn’t know her or does he?



Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Jun 04, 2003 12:46 p.m.):
ladies and gentlemen,

Does it really serve any purpose for us to waste our time talking about a issue where the person concerned does not even know who we are? Imagine that even if we pass a resolution condemning her, what difference it will make on her ? Best will be to let her enjoy her young age ( as per her statement) and we also enjoy watching her movie like any other people...Why feel shy watching her, if she has no problem doin