Relevance of Community Leader(s) for Jats

[birbal]

The resignation of Ajit Singh from the Cabinet has generated divisive discussion on this website. I believe it is not important for us to argue whether Ajit Singh is better than Chautala or vice-versa. Instead, we can contribute a lot by supporting community leaders irrespective of our personal beliefs because community leaders are relevant even in the 21st century for communities like ours.

History tells us that rise and fall of great powers has happened all over the world and we (Jats) have seen a terrible fall lasting over a thousand years. Only last week I read in "A Brief History of India" by Alain Danielou (a French scholar who learned Sanskrit and spend considerable part of his life in Benares) that of the three great emperors of India (Asoka, Samudragupt, and Akbar) Samudragupt was a Jat (the book says his father Chandragupt was a Jat from the area now around Delhi). Of course, Harshavardhan, another important ruler of India is widely accepted to be a Jat. Then came the fall and the Jats went into oblivion despite being known as strong willed and hard working. It took almost a thousand years before Maharaja Surajmal came in but in a true sense Chaudhary Chotu Ram was the first modern community leader for the Jats. His contributions to the community of course are known to us all. Chaudhary Charan Singh and Tau Devi Lal brought the community to the forefront of national leadership. Two leaders not known too much outside Rajasthan, Chaudhary Kumbharam Arya and Sardar Harlal Singh (the title of Sardar was given to him during the Jat Mahasabha in 1930s in Jhunjhunu, Rajasthan) have a major role in bringing up the Jats of Rajasthan from terrible conditions to be a force in provincial politics, civil service examinations, engineering and medicine.

However, it is clear that in the last few years the anti-Jat forces have tried hard and succeded to a great extent in retarding the progress of Jats. The main idea is to prop up second rate Jat leaders to the detriment of the community. It was practiced most cunningly by Bhairon Singh Sekhawat during his ten year tenure as the Chief Minister of Rajasthan. I have observed the same trick used at the central level. People like Sompal, Subash Maharia, and Sahib Singh Verma have been used for this purpose.

I have not had the opportunity to meet Ajit Singh but I have heard from several USA and Canada based professors of Political Science (who are not interested in Caste politics) that he is one of the most articulate politicians in India and that he is thoroughly honest, just like his father.

The issue now is whether we should choose between Chautala and Ajit Singh? I do not believe so. We need first rate community leaders and it does not matter if they are not on the same side all the time. We need to look at Tamilnadu to see the relevance of community leaders. The DMK is a party of Jat like people ( many in North India falsely assume it as a party of lower caste). These people were treated very poorly by Brahmins for a long time. Finally in 1920s, Ramaswammy Naicker, better known as Periyar, revolted against the Brahmin domination, and even though he himself was ousted by Annadurai, the DMK succeded in getting power in 1967 and has been in power ever since in one form or another. We need someone like Periyar and I am not saying it only for the benefit of Jats but for the benefit of country. The only way to eradicate the evils of the Caste system is to oust the Brahminical rule and the Jats may be the people in the North India who can do it.

[shekhar_nehra]

Dr. Sahab , I completely agree with your point of view.
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It is not important for us to argue whether Ajit Singh is better than Chautala or vice-versa. Instead, we can contribute a lot by supporting community leaders irrespective of our personal beliefs because community leaders are relevant even in the 21st century for communities like ours.
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[ranjitjat]

DR BIRBAL SINGH JI
VERY WISE THOUGHT.
I AM FULL AGREE WITH YOU.
We need community leaders for progress & development of all the community & country.
Leaders whose only aim is serve the mankind.
Service to humanity
Down to earth grass route workers
honest
hard worker
no family rule
Those who can not unite the community can retire in their farmhouses.
Let give other a chance for change.
SARAV KHAP PANCHAYAT.
ALL INDIA JAT MAHA SABHA
KISAN UNION
ARYA SAMAJ
OTHER JAT ASSOCIATIONS IN INDIA & ABROAD
EX-SERVICE MEN UNION
WOMEN ASSOCIATIONS
TEACHERS UNION
ALL THESE CAN DO A BETTER SERVICE
LETS US ALL UNITE FOR A BETTER CAUSE
UNITY & EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT

[biotechs2001]

Dr. Birbal Singh
your post is very wise and I am fully agree with everyword you wrote here.
I have seen few times Chaudhary Ajit Singhs interview on T.V. when I was in India,I am impressed by his Idiology about development of farming community(Obviously Jat).
Although I belongs to Haryana but unfortuantely I never heard any such clear and progressive ideas about community from any Chautala's interviews,no doubt chautala is mass leador in Haryana.

[krishan]

Chaudhary (Dr.) Birbal Singh Ji,

I appreciate your writing. It does not matter I am agree with you or not. Leader is known as who lead a group of people. Chaudhary Om Parkash Chautala is Chief Minister of Haryana. His party won the election. He was sworn as Chief Minister and leader of representatives of the people. I don't know on which ground/theories, you are ignoring him. If he is not a leader then are you leader or Ajit Singh who had been forced to vacate the seat is leader. I respect you but you are favouring. This is not a justification. Please please please discipline and sincerity should been maintained in the community.

[birbal]

Dear Dahiyaji,

I am not supporting Ajit Singh over Chautala. My belief is that we should support our community leaders even if they are not on the same side at a given time, and we should not kick one of our leaders when he is down. When we look at history we find that internal disagreements have always existed everywhere but the successful groups have been those who looked after their broader community interests. The Moghul nobles were always fighting each other (even killing each other) but when it came to broader community interests they were always united. The British imperialists were no different as they had vicious internal rivaleries but remained together for the British cause.

So, I feel we the Jats outside the country should support community leaders. Also, we should not judge our leaders by idealistic standards. It is true that both Chaudhary Charan Singh and Tau Devi Lal were such towering figures that Ajit Singh and Chautala appear to look like ordinary people, but it is not fair to make such comparisons. My statement about Ajit Singh's abilities was based on what I have heard first hand from very respected political scientists.

Birbal Singh

[krishan]

Well Doctor Sahib, people overseas also working together, sometimes it looks they are not. but in real sense they r working for each other. Take out this perception please. Sometimes circumstances are like that, what apperas that is not like that. Anyway, I tried to answere your question. There is no match between Chautala and Ajit Singh. I am telling Ajit Singh is not loosing anything if he works under Chautala leadership. But he will gain his losing empire and it is not vice versa.Anyway Its up to elite people like you, who can give him right direction.

[lrburdak]

I will not go into the controversy-who is more capable. Ch. Ajit Singh was very active in jat belt of Rajasthan during last few months. His meetings and rallies had huge gathering of jats. He was gaining popularity in Rajasthan. The Jats in Rajasthan at this juncture are confused. Earlier majority jats supported congress. During last Loksabha election they shifted to BJP. Ch. Ajit Singh seems to create third front. This may cause loss to BJP. Ch. Ajit Singh can play an important role in the Indian politics.It appears that there is vacuam of jat leaders at national level. Let us hope capable jat learship will come up to fill the gap.

[krishan]

Laxman Bhai,

Aaap ekdum ulta keh rahe hain. Chaudhary Om Parkash Chautala is gaining momentum in Rajasthan.

[rkumar]

Krishan Dahiya (May 26, 2003 07:55 a.m.):
Laxman Bhai,

Aaap ekdum ulta keh rahe hain. Chaudhary Om Parkash Chautala is gaining momentum in Rajasthan.

Dear Mr Dahiya,

You sound like a public relation officer of Mr Chautala. We all Jats will be more than happy if Shri Chautala ji becomes the prime minister of this country. High time Mr Chautala contests the parliament election this time and his party contests the election from all over India. I wonder how many times his party has organised rallies in south India or in states other than the Jat belt. Trust me, we need a leader who can identify himself/ herself with the masses of coutry in genral and the Jats in particular. Getting elected is one thing and leading masses is another thing. Ch Devi Lal lost three consecutive elections from Rohtak but still he was a great Jat leader. Even today no one will take the person who defeated Ch Devi Lal, as a great Jat leader. But I am sure its no use telling you all this as you have your fixed opinion.

Rajendra

[krishan]

Mr. Khunde,


Chaudhary Devi Lal kyun haar gaye? Har cheese ke picche karan hota hai. Rohtak ne Chaudhary Devi Lal ko Prime Minister Bana diya tha. Lekin Chaudhary sahib ne Rohtak se resign karke Rajasthan se election lada. Is baat ko Rohtak ke Jat mahsush kar gaye. Yahi karan tha ke Chaudhary Devi Lal teen bar election haar gaye.

[rkumar]

Krishan Dahiya (May 26, 2003 09:08 a.m.):
Mr. Khunde,


Chaudhary Devi Lal kyun haar gaye? Har cheese ke picche karan hota hai. Rohtak ne Chaudhary Devi Lal ko Prime Minister Bana diya tha. Lekin Chaudhary sahib ne Rohtak se resign karke Rajasthan se election lada. Is baat ko Rohtak ke Jat mahsush kar gaye. Yahi karan tha ke Chaudhary Devi Lal teen bar election haar gaye.

Iska matlab yah huaa ki Ch Devilal Rohtak ke jaton ke leader nahi rahe? Aur Yah unhe teen baar haarne ke baad pata chalaa??....kia baat karte ho Dahiya ji...

[krishan]

Jaton ke Leader wo pehle bi the, ab bi hain aur aage bi rahenge. Is se iska koi lena dena nahi hai. Rohtak walo ne socha, hum ise PM bana rahe hain, ye hume chhod kar ja raha hai. And please this is not my opinion, this is opinion of people. I am only trying to bring in your kind attention. Don't take it personally.

[rkumar]

Krishan Dahiya (May 26, 2003 09:28 a.m.):
Jaton ke Leader wo pehle bi the, ab bi hain aur aage bi rahenge. Is se iska koi lena dena nahi hai. Rohtak walo ne socha, hum ise PM bana rahe hain, ye hume chhod kar ja raha hai. And please this is not my opinion, this is opinion of people. I am only trying to bring in your kind attention. Don't take it personally.

Ujeeb baat karte ho Dahiya ji. Ek taraf to jab Ch. Devilal teen baar haar jaate hain to wo fir bhi leader rahte hain aur doosree baar jab Ajit Singh hara jata hai ya ministry chor deta hai to wo leader nahi rahta...ek definition use karo, baat nahi badlo...aapki definition ke anusaar to Ch Devi Lal ki bhi Rohtak se jeete hue MP ka netritva sweekar kar lena chahiye thaa fir...

Rajendra

[krishan]

Jit/Har aur leader ye dono alag alag cheese hain. Asal ma Chaudhary Ajit Singh leader hain hi nahi. Unko Chaudhary Charan Singh ki virasat ma vote mil rahe hain. Unhone abhi apni image banani hai. Leader wo hota hai jisse masses ka support mile, apni leadership qualities ke karan.

Lekin Chautala sahib ko aapne karan masses ka support milne lag raha hai, aur ye badhta hi ja raha hai. Meri yahi koshish hai, thodi si madad karne se ye high position achieve kar sakte hain. Anyway, I am not against or anti any particular person, I am trying to help a person who is competent and if we help him he may achieve the highest post. I have no personal interest. I think this will help.

[rkumar]

[quote]Krishan Dahiya (May 26, 2003 09:51 a.m.):
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Meri yahi koshish hai, thodi si madad karne se ye high position achieve kar sakte hain. Anyway, I am not against or anti any particular person, I am trying to help a person who is competent and if we help him he may achieve the highest post. [Quote]
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Nice to know Dahiya ji that with your help Chautala ji / Ch Ajit Singh can reach high position. Hope Chautala Ji Knows about this. Be assured I will take your message to Ch Ajit Singh also. ...

Rajendra

[ravichaudhary]

DR Birbal Singh writes: I read in "A Brief History of India" by Alain Danielou (a French scholar who learned Sanskrit and spend considerable part of his life in Benares) that of the three great emperors of India (Asoka, Samudragupt, and Akbar) Samudragupt was a Jat (the book says his father Chandragupt was a Jat from the area now around Delhi

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Dr Singh could you write the exact wording., or scan the page by E mail to me

Ravi Chaudhary

[guliya]

Pls dont talk about late Devi Lal on thi site. We can talk about current leaders and in not a comparison way/