rkumar
May 25th, 2003, 08:12 AM
Leaders can not be created, leaders are born. Leaders have sensitive hearts and iron will. Great leaders are not born every day or every year.. Matter of fact is neither Chautala nor Ch. Ajit Singh are great leaders...At best they are both Andhon me kaane sardaar and have if not full at least part Dharatrastra legacy (claiming leadership as being sons of two great leadres)... I am once again sorry to be blunt...we as a community do not have vision and sense of sacrifice for the community. What pressure have we been able to put on central goverment to lobby internationally for ousted Prime Minister Mr Mahendra Singh Coudhary of Fiji ? I recollect the old days when Mr. Virendra Verma ( ex Governor Himachal) was in opposite camp to Ch Charan Singh. Public pressure brough him with Ch Charan Singh. Public is a big force and if used in right way can bring its leaders to their knees. We need mass movements for right cause... Ofcourse Jat unity is the need of hour. Many efforts have been made to unite the jats of western UP and Haryana..Roa Birendra Singh was very keen for Vishal Haryana in 60s..Why Harit Pradesh? Why can't we talk of Vishal Haryana...which should include all Bhoomi of Hari..( birth place, Hastinapur and Geeta updesh bhoomi...) If BJP can fight in the name of Lord Rama, let us fight in the name of Lord Krishna.. Movement has to be build on convictions, logics and benifits of community. It should not give the foul smell of selfishness... I am hereby reproducing the portion of one speech which was given in constituent assembly when creation of states was being debated....
"Chaudhari Ranbir Singh (East Punjab: General): *[Mr.Vice-President, I pointed out yesterday that according tohis amendment a minority, whether based on religion or caste, which is not in majority in any State or any are a thereof might undoubtedly secure such alteration in the boundaries of a State as it chooses through the President or the Government of India. But I am afraid the amendment would reduce the chance of success of any community which is in majority in any area but happens to be in minority in that State and I am afraid it would also reduce the importance of their demand and narrow the opportunity of their having a say in the matter. I hold so because, according to this amendment, the matter would be referred to the State Legislature for consideration and as the people of that are a would be in minority in the State although they may be in majority in their own area, it would naturally be recorded that only a few members of the State Legislature desired a change in the boundary of the State. The provision as it stands in the draft lays down that if the majority of the people in any area demand that their area be joined to anyother State or to a new State, their demand can be taken into consideration but under this amendment, I am afraid their demand would lose some of its weight, and particularly this would be the case of the people of such areas as have no leader of their own, no press of their own and no other means to make their voice heard. We may take U. P. as a case in instance. When in the last session, the constitution was being discussed, it became quite clear from the discussion held in the Party that U.P. people realise that their province is rather too big. At that time the U. P. people had expressed a fear that their Legislature would beun manageable as it would have 600 members, if like other
provinces, each lakh of the population sent one member to it. While legal and administrative difficulties of this nature are recognised, even then it is said that no area should be given to the province of Delhi or Haryana. Though the people of this area wanted that their region should be jointed to Delhi or Haryana yet nothing happened as they had no leader of their own nor any Press of their own. The loyalty of those people of U. P. who had made this demand,was doubted and their voice was stifled to an extent beyond description. A ban was laid on them by the Provincial Congress Committee not to make such a demand, and they were asked not to raise any voice for any alteration in the boundaries of the province.
Therefore, I am afraid, Sir, this amendment will prevent any action for achieving their union on the part of those people and areas that have the
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* [ ] Translation of Hindustani speech.
same culture, the same language and the same way of life,and whose union is advantageous to the country from legal,administrative and other points of view. I may repeat, Sir,what Shri Thakurdas Bhargava stated yesterday that when a demand was made for forming Haryana into a Province the loyalty of some of those who made this demand was suspected and it was alleged against them that they wanted to form a separate province of Jats. But the truth is that if Haryana had been formed into a Province - and I may point in this connection that under the British regime, when the RoundTable Conference was being held, there was the Corbett Scheme for the formation of a new province of Haryana which fell through for want of a spokesman of Haryana while today its formation is being opposed on the alleged ground that the Jats are seeking to have a separate Province of their own - so as I was going to say, the fact would have been that the Jats would be a minority there and even if each community was taken singly into account the Jat community would not be in majority in comparison to the others. If there be any community which has a large population it is that of Harijans - Chamars. So if this province is to be formed at all it would be a province of Chamars. But since they have no Press of their own, they cannot give voice to their demand.
I no doubt support the amendment but at the same time I want that it should be changed so as to include without any doubt the provision that when the Centre consults the provincial legislature the opinion of the majority of the representatives of the territory, which wants to separate itself and join another province, should also be on record and that their recorded opinion should appear before the Central Assembly so that it may know what that particular territory desires.]
Rajendra
"Chaudhari Ranbir Singh (East Punjab: General): *[Mr.Vice-President, I pointed out yesterday that according tohis amendment a minority, whether based on religion or caste, which is not in majority in any State or any are a thereof might undoubtedly secure such alteration in the boundaries of a State as it chooses through the President or the Government of India. But I am afraid the amendment would reduce the chance of success of any community which is in majority in any area but happens to be in minority in that State and I am afraid it would also reduce the importance of their demand and narrow the opportunity of their having a say in the matter. I hold so because, according to this amendment, the matter would be referred to the State Legislature for consideration and as the people of that are a would be in minority in the State although they may be in majority in their own area, it would naturally be recorded that only a few members of the State Legislature desired a change in the boundary of the State. The provision as it stands in the draft lays down that if the majority of the people in any area demand that their area be joined to anyother State or to a new State, their demand can be taken into consideration but under this amendment, I am afraid their demand would lose some of its weight, and particularly this would be the case of the people of such areas as have no leader of their own, no press of their own and no other means to make their voice heard. We may take U. P. as a case in instance. When in the last session, the constitution was being discussed, it became quite clear from the discussion held in the Party that U.P. people realise that their province is rather too big. At that time the U. P. people had expressed a fear that their Legislature would beun manageable as it would have 600 members, if like other
provinces, each lakh of the population sent one member to it. While legal and administrative difficulties of this nature are recognised, even then it is said that no area should be given to the province of Delhi or Haryana. Though the people of this area wanted that their region should be jointed to Delhi or Haryana yet nothing happened as they had no leader of their own nor any Press of their own. The loyalty of those people of U. P. who had made this demand,was doubted and their voice was stifled to an extent beyond description. A ban was laid on them by the Provincial Congress Committee not to make such a demand, and they were asked not to raise any voice for any alteration in the boundaries of the province.
Therefore, I am afraid, Sir, this amendment will prevent any action for achieving their union on the part of those people and areas that have the
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* [ ] Translation of Hindustani speech.
same culture, the same language and the same way of life,and whose union is advantageous to the country from legal,administrative and other points of view. I may repeat, Sir,what Shri Thakurdas Bhargava stated yesterday that when a demand was made for forming Haryana into a Province the loyalty of some of those who made this demand was suspected and it was alleged against them that they wanted to form a separate province of Jats. But the truth is that if Haryana had been formed into a Province - and I may point in this connection that under the British regime, when the RoundTable Conference was being held, there was the Corbett Scheme for the formation of a new province of Haryana which fell through for want of a spokesman of Haryana while today its formation is being opposed on the alleged ground that the Jats are seeking to have a separate Province of their own - so as I was going to say, the fact would have been that the Jats would be a minority there and even if each community was taken singly into account the Jat community would not be in majority in comparison to the others. If there be any community which has a large population it is that of Harijans - Chamars. So if this province is to be formed at all it would be a province of Chamars. But since they have no Press of their own, they cannot give voice to their demand.
I no doubt support the amendment but at the same time I want that it should be changed so as to include without any doubt the provision that when the Centre consults the provincial legislature the opinion of the majority of the representatives of the territory, which wants to separate itself and join another province, should also be on record and that their recorded opinion should appear before the Central Assembly so that it may know what that particular territory desires.]
Rajendra