Great White Hope: Roberto Raoul Maino

[anujkumar]

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/apr/13rajeev.htm

[sansanwalamit]

nice article,
It simply frustrates me to me see how this family has some say in India and people like this man try to contest elections. This family is a good proof that India surley has a huge majority of stupid people. Now why is it still being carried forward, I hope that this man looses miserably in his elections and so does his mother and sister.

[abhishek]

I have been reading Rajeev Srinivasan´s article for long time and more often than not his ideas are refreshing. But in this article he has been little bit crass. But that doesn´t dilute the gravity of situation anyway. Merely a "Gandhi" behind the name is good enough to win a parliamentary election. What is even funnier that such thing is happening in the biggest democracy in the world!!
It was appalling to read that people from his constituency are voting for him because he looks like his father(For that matter even his father was not a great statesman or whatever).
I am yet to read any meaningful statement by Rahul on any policy matter. Irony is he goes to Amethi and says India is not shining here...I wish if somebody could remind him that his family has been representing that seat for last two decades or so!!! Rahul Gandhi will win this seat for sure and might even be projected as future prime minister and there lies ultimate tragedy of Republic of India.

[anilkc]

Whatever is said in the article may be true, but it does not come even close to top 10 threats to Indian democracy.
Its better to win election with Gandhi in the name than Gun in the hand.

[anujkumar]

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[anilkc]

Sonia is not alone,
all indians in USA, UK etc feel the same.
even after living for 50 yrs in USA, they feel more indian than american (or australian etc).
if its true for indians, its true for italians.

On other note, its good that the Babus got the same treatment from Sonia, as they give to the common man.

Election is not far off. Ppl will give their verdict soon.

[chhoraharyanada]

I hate the Gandhis. I hate Congress.

I agree with Amit. The fact that these people even have an outside chance reflects that we have some stupid,uneducated bandars in our society.

I hope they lose! And I hope that firangi aurath and her 2 spoilt brats get deported to Italy where they belong.

[uday]

No Politics Pls. at JATLAND.COM

Elections ke liye bhar bhaterwwy duniiya hai..

[anujkumar]

Uday Bhai:

This is not politics, but a poltical discussion.
Dusree baat, Haryanavi me likha hota to bhee, Jumla maan lete..

Jatland is forum for discussion, including poltical discussion!!

Here is another Theory (Apply Sanity Check for yourself)

"Sonia Gandhi" is a big conspiracy theory against India.

She was assigned by the Pope himself in the Vatican to seduce Rajeev Gandhi with the help of CIA.

Reason for it?

Once Sonia became the wife of Rajiv, the CIA could kill all the other contenders in the Gandhi family for the Prime Ministers post to rule India. Now what is the good for both the CIA and the pope.

For CIA

1. Make India a slave country of USA.
2. The Indian PM, a puppet in the US presidents hands
3. Squeeze India of all its minerals and resources like the British.
4. A good staging ground against communism vis a vis, China, Vietnam, Soviet Union (At that time)

For the Pope

1. Convert all non-christians reeling in the agony of death, suffering and darkness to the true light of Christianity by mass conversions with the help of Sonia.

2. Convert the whole 1 Billion people of India into catholics.

3. Bring the slutty culture found in Europe and the Americas to India and make it modern and western.

4. Destroy all hindu, jain, buddhist and sikh temples and islamic mosques.

How was this plan envisaged to be done?

1. The first step was to kill Sanjay Gandhi, the successor to Indira in the "Gandhi Kingdom" :). He was killed by the CIA in a made up plane crash after trying and cajoling him to marry western ladies.

2. CIA started the Khalistan movement by funding the non resident Indian sikhs in USA, Britain and Canada and prodding Pakistan to support them. Carefully orchestrated the Golden temple incident which led to operation Blue star and finally the death of Indira Gandhi.

3. Brought Rajiv Gandhi to the throne knowing well the equation of Indian politics and the dependence on the Gandhi family. After 5 years and at the end of his rule killed him with the use of LTTE. Mind you LTTE was not banned in USA and Canada during those times and the CIA helped them openly.

4. Gave a buffer time for the Indian politics to cool down and allowed idiots (Opinion of the CIA)like V.P. Singh, Chandrasekhar, P.V.N Rao etc to rule.

5. Thought Sonia could now be made the congress prsident and eventually the Indian P.M after Kesari acted like a clown.

But the CIA got the shock of their life after BJP stormed into power, ordered the nuclear blasts and proclaimed India as a Nuclear power and started retesting all missiles suspended by the erstwhile Congress regimes.

Now they are still trying to install Sonia for the ultimate aim of "Evangelistaion" of India and "Slavery" of India by the Whites.

Profile of Sonia

Education : Zero
Race : White caucasian in a country with 0% Cucasian people, 72% Indo-Aryans, 25 % Dravidians and 3% Mongoloids.
Political experience : First became congress president without knwong ABCD of what congress party was, is and will be.
Profession : House wife
Religion : Puranitical Catholic christianity
Government experience : Nil
Knowlwedge of Indian langauges : Zero ( Can speak scre*wed up Hindi insulting India's national language)
Dressing : Wears Sari with the center hood on one side looking like a kathakali artist
Children : Daughter Priyanka married to Robert Wadhera, a Roman catholic guy. Son Rahul, looking for a Christian (Roman catholic only) girl.

Now after Sonia, the next game plan of CIA is to bring Priyanka Gandhi, daughter of Sonia, to bury the "Foriegn origin" issue
of Sonia and to make Priyanka India's PM.

When there are able leaders like A. K. Antony, Digvijay Singh, Manmohan Singh and their likes in the congress party it is a shame on all of us Indians that this bitchery is happening in India.

May God bless India and may we have experienced hands to run our country rather than CIA agents and their accomplices.

Jai Hind.



Uday Dahiya (Apr 17, 2004 02:26 p.m.):
No Politics Pls. at JATLAND.COM

Elections ke liye bhar bhaterwwy duniiya hai..

[rkumar]

Dear Anuj,

Your post makes a interesting story reading. At best it sounds like a guy returning to Village from Sri Lanka and describing how he met the relatives of Ravan and on the way back met Hanuman's and Sugreev's great great grand childern.

I fail to understand how CIA can control India when even God can not understand this great country. For a moment even if I agree with you that Sonia Gandhi will become PM and CIA will try to control India through her, manythings will change as soon as she becomes PM ( if at all she becomes). Person in power is no more what he/ she was before. Even father son's compete with each other once they are in power. Very unlikely that Sonia will not compete with other European nations.
Now coming to able politicians like Man mohan singh and company.... If I agree with your verson, how can I call a person competent if he / she has been playing in Sonia Gandhi's hands. Why can't he come out in open and tell the harm she is doing to nation and all this CIA risk factor.. how come Sharad pawar has joined hands with her once again..?

I prescribe to just one theory...and that is is of the survival of the fittest...If India has fit leaders, trust me, they will never loose to the likes of Sonia and company.... and even if she becomes PM, she will be eliminated if she dares to go against the interest of nation...

Let us not make excuses and blame it all on CIA. This is old excuse which Indian leaders like Mrs Ganghi were using when ever it suited them..

CIA can never control or dictate the fate of 100 billion people...High time we stop blamming outsiders for our shortcomings...let us compete irrespective of any odds... I don't know how much credit to give to CIA ..which could not even know that their whole country will be taken to task by very people whom they fed and supported all along....

Now coming to whole India becomng Christians.. Hope you know that Muslim rulers could not convert whole India to Islam even after 100s of years of rule and British could not convert more than 2% in 200 years...These are all jokes which people use to create hatred among common people...Those who converted, did so because Brahmans never let low class people enter temples and never treated them equal. let us look inside for all our weaknesses.. Any person humliated will do anything to protect his/ her respect...

So my friend, please do not read too much in all this gossip....India is too mature a nation to take care of such abbrations...and irrespective of final outcome...whether Rahul wins or not aor whether Priyanka wins or not, please do not call them non Indians...I do not agree to this hypothesis that if their mother is Italian by birth, they will not be patriotic to India....

Rajendra

[mbamal]

Christian views on the conspiracy theory.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=20892

[abhishek]

Without subscribing to bizarre CIA theory I l reckon that Sonia Gandhi and her offsprings are not the best thing that can happen to India, ofcourse it might be in top ten challenges to Indian democracy but it doesnt augur well for Indian polity and concept of nationhood.
For those still raving about her bharat prem read this article
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13456082

and rahee baat politics on political discussions on jatland kee I think we are not endorsing any party here , it is just a discussion about a rather dangerous trend in Indian polity and I think that can be allowed ...rest is upto moderators.

[birbal]

If anyone is really interested in CIA involvement then it is important to correlate available facts. It is well known that the names of foreign politicians on CIA payroll can not be revealed until after they are completely retired from politics.

For a long time it was widely accepted that people like Morarji Desai and Atal Behari Vajpayee were CIA agents. After Morarji retired from politics, Seymor Hersch (one of the best known American political writer) published in his book that Morarji Desai was a paid CIA agent. Morarji threatened to sue but one can not be liable for publishing truth so nothing happened. I am 100% sure that same will be revealed after Vajpayee is gone. Remember both Morarji and Vajpayee voted to discontinue India's nuclear program.

Birbal Singh

[anujkumar]

Rajendra Jee,

I liked your sanity check!!

Same facts this time:

Robert Wadhera's mother is a christian, His father is not. After his marriege with priyanka, He has disowned his family. A notice was issued in Times of India claiming no relation with person X (his father) and person Y(his brother). After which his father also disowned him from family property, now he is full time gandhi daamaad. His parents has separated because the christianity factor for his mother got "Gandhi" boost.

Moral of the story christianity (an a particular form of it) is indeed extremely important to her.

Menka and son story, everybody knows!!

[chhoraharyanada]

Maneka and Varun are the only decent Gandhis.

They've joined the BJP.

Maneka told Indira "mata" where to get off!
Good for her!

[rkumar]

Dear Anuj,

Let us not mix their personal life and the public life. Religious belief is a personal matter. All I am saying is that 100 billion people of India will be able to read through the desings of any CIA or for that matter any one. As of now when Sonia Gandhi has not even become a PM, its all gossip and nothing else. Mind you, even being wife of Rajiv Gandhi as PM, she must have known many confidential informations about sensitive issues. She has been the Bahoo of Indra Gandhi..and that way also she must have known many sensitive informations. Is their any credible proof that she leaked any vital information to any outside agency? If yes, how come that BJP and all its propaganda wing has no information of it ? Let us not become part of gossip mills.. For me its nothing, just a election gimmik used by her opponents and this will all die after elections are over. Brahmans in this country have used all sorts of methods to keep others out of power. Just as a matter of curiocity I will invite you and any other member to answer the following questions;

1. Geroge Fernades is a Christian. How come he is Defence minister in Atal's babinet if christians can not be trusted ..?
2. Can any one come with soild figures and prove that Indian Christians are less patriotic than any Hindu?
3. Has there been any incident where Sonia Gandhi or any of her kid passed on any sensitive information to CIA?

One never know, Sonia Gandhi may turn out to be a hard liner patriot than any one ever seen just to prove that she cares only for India and nothing else...an I honestly believe in this. People often act hardliner just to prove their position.

Regards
Rajendra

[chhoraharyanada]

Ram Ram!!

Hello, I'll give a go and try and answer your questions:

"
1. Geroge Fernades is a Christian. How come he is Defence minister in Atal's babinet if christians can not be trusted ..?
2. Can any one come with soild figures and prove that Indian Christians are less patriotic than any Hindu?
3. Has there been any incident where Sonia Gandhi or any of her kid passed on any sensitive information to CIA? "

1. The Samta Party lent its support to the BJP led NDA. Surely, we can all believe that one of the conditions was that one of their people (ie, George Fernandes) would get a high post in the cabinet?

2. Uncle ji, for something like this - it is virtually impossible to come up with figures to prove how patriotic a community is. Its like asking how can we prove that youngsters are losing indian culture? It can not be proved with figures.

However, I feel one decent benchmark for "patriotism" could be that particular community's contribution to the Nation's armed forces.
How many Keralite Christians are in the Indian Army? (and then compare to say, hindus or sikhs? hindus encompassing us jats, rajputs, gujjars, ahirs, yadavs, gurkhas, marathas etc).

3. no one will ever know (at least on this forum) and is beyond the scope of this debate.

No offence intended.

Ram Ram!

[anujkumar]

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Apr 18, 2004 01:36 p.m.):
Dear Anuj,
Let us not mix their personal life and the public life.

Why not? Leaders of masses need to set standard for the society. If they can't do good to their own family people, what do you expect for the nation?



Religious belief is a personal matter.

No body is saying that being christian, She is bad. Think about this: She devided her in-laws family based on religion.

All I am saying is that 100 billion people of India will be able to read through the desings of any CIA or for that matter any one. As of now when Sonia Gandhi has not even become a PM, its all gossip and nothing else. Mind you, even being wife of Rajiv Gandhi as PM, she must have known many confidential informations about sensitive issues. She has been the Bahoo of Indra Gandhi..and that way also she must have known many sensitive informations. Is their any credible proof that she leaked any vital information to any outside agency? If yes, how come that BJP and all its propaganda wing has no information of it ?

You seems to still think that the author was serious about the CIA link! You did not apply a sanity check, nonetheless lot's of insane events also happen in this world


Let us not become part of gossip mills.. For me its nothing, just a election gimmik used by her opponents and this will all die after elections are over. Brahmans in this country have used all sorts of methods to keep others out of power.

Everybody respect your and all other Sonia et. al. supporters view. But you should also respect the fact that for a large number of people.. who seriously think, "vayakti pooja" is a danger to Indian democracy, where people become so blind of the "one man show" that they want's subjugate their fellow citizens right to question. It was behind the single incident when Democracy relapsed in India.

Just as a matter of curiocity I will invite you and any other member to answer the following questions;

1. Geroge Fernades is a Christian. How come he is Defence minister in Atal's babinet if christians can not be trusted ..?

Who said Christian are not be trusted. Serious contestant for such an important post as PM, should better not descriminate againt their own family members on the basis of religion.

2. Can any one come with soild figures and prove that Indian Christians are less patriotic than any Hindu?

Invalid extrapolation

3. Has there been any incident where Sonia Gandhi or any of her kid passed on any sensitive information to CIA?

Take it with pinch of salt or wait till..

One never know, Sonia Gandhi may turn out to be a hard liner patriot than any one ever seen just to prove that she cares only for India and nothing else...an I honestly believe in this. People often act hardliner just to prove their position.

Why should we take chance for such an extemely important post as PM of India, when their are other great leaders who toiled hard to reach where they are and who has a leadership and personal track record.


Regards
Rajendra

[rkumar]

Anuj Kumar

[b] Why not? Leaders of masses need to set standard for the society. If they can't do good to their own family people, what do you expect for the nation?

I totally agree with you on the above.... Character of a person comparises many things. I do not wish to name any one here, but we all know how good are the charaters of most of present day politicians, particularly the one in power. To best of my knowledge, Sonia and her kids do not have low character...




No body is saying that being christian, She is bad. Think about this: She devided her in-laws family based on religion.

No body divides anybody...they family must be already loosely bound and the division was bound to happen....May be Robert Vedara's father was showing his father in law position beyong a point and which in today's society is not acceptable.

You seems to still think that the author was serious about the CIA link! You did not apply a sanity check, nonetheless lot's of insane events also happen in this world

I honestly do not understand what above means and how to interpret above comments.

Everybody respect your and all other Sonia et. al. supporters view. But you should also respect the fact that for a large number of people.. who seriously think, "vayakti pooja" is a danger to Indian democracy, where people become so blind of the "one man show" that they want's subjugate their fellow citizens right to question. It was behind the single incident when Democracy relapsed in India.

Trust me I do not believe in Vayakti pooja. I do not believe even in Ishwar pooja, what to talk of Vaykti pooja. I express my views always unbiassed and never let subjectivity into them.


Who said Christian are not be trusted. Serious contestant for such an important post as PM, should better not descriminate againt their own family members on the basis of religion.

How can one be sure of internal problems..its just guess work..There may be other personal issues..

Invalid extrapolation

?????.....

Take it with pinch of salt or wait till..

... Very little u and me can do my friend if Indian voters vote for her and she takes the seat of PM... However, one thing I can be sure of is that if she plays any mischief with the national interest, she will be not only removed from power, she will be penalised properly by masses.

Why should we take chance for such an extemely important post as PM of India, when their are other great leaders who toiled hard to reach where they are and who has a leadership and personal track record.

If I am the only one to decide whom to make PM, I assure you that I will take the post myself as I think I am the most competent one to make India number one in the world in less than 10 Years...I will never take chance with any one else.....LOL

Regards
Rajendra

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[anilkc]

ha ha ha

[anujkumar]

OK Rajendra Sir,
Mai aapke vicharo se sahmat hoon.
--Anuj