Chautala menace set to end in Haryana! [Archive]

jagmohan

May 14th, 2004, 09:30 AM

Dear All,

Too many issues will have to be touched upon in my reply to whether we will accept a foreigner as a PM or not.

Let me first deal with the Haryana election result. Chautala is still the CM and elections were only held for the PARLIAMENT and not the State assembly. In any case as far as Haryana is concerned one 'Lal' will be replaced by another 'Lal' and I and you will keep discussing this issue till cows come home. A word about Sonepat (I am proud to being a resident of Sonepat). Like always the people have voted against the wave. When Congress use to win in the 60s and 70s, we voted for Jan Sangh and now again we are different. The result. No development then and no developement in future.

Let us not generalise people and communities as 'Idiots' and 'Scums'. Have you tried asking others as to how they feel about Indians? I would accept anyone to be PM as long as he/she is a citizen of India, is elected, and elected as leader of his/her party and accepted by the coalition partners. As simple as that. As long as he/she can make a difference to the life of the common man, good. If he/she dosen't deliver, the public would deal with them in the next elections. It has been proved again and again that you can't fool the public.

Mobocracy or democracy, the fact is that the common man of the country has gone out and voted. It is people who don't vote crib the maximum. It is not surprising that the polling percentage in the Kashmir Valley was more than South Mumbai.

I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? And if India can't produce one leader capable enough to win a majority and lead our nation it is a matter of concern. And what foreign rule are we taking about here. All our foreign policy, economic policy and even domestic policy is controlled by institutions like the IMF and World Bank.

History will prove that Vajpayee was a great PM and a great man in a wrong party.

Regards,

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)

alkesh

May 14th, 2004, 10:06 AM

Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.

Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.

BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.

rightly said malik saheb:

"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "

quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.

It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.

But then it's democracy![/quote]

artikundu

May 14th, 2004, 11:28 AM

halo,
can u tell us what hardship she has seen in her life?Just becoz she is rajiv gandhi's widow ,we r ready to give PM seat.
There is no compariosn b/w vajpayee and her at all.
Have u ever thought of italian people welcoming the idea of becoming an Indian PM.
not at all they can never think of it even.
wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choudhary (May 14, 2004 12:53 a.m.):
Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.

Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.

BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.

rightly said malik saheb:

"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "

quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.

It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.

But then it's democracy![/quote]

kpsingh402

May 14th, 2004, 12:49 PM

Dear friends,
I have gone through the comments on the above subjects but it has to be analysed in broader prospective whether jats political leadership is fit in the democratic set-up of the time. Let me submit my humble historical knowlede how jats have survived and lived the democratic institution in this country. it show that panchayat sysmtem of the community based on the merits of individuals and having no allegiance to any feudal force has survived the community in historical perspetice. Rajput and other hierarchy has survived on the feudal and aristocratic forces. only jats have survived by the oldest and best institutions of democracy which survived with bests decisions in the interests of social set up. Jats have proved them straightforward and honest as the word stands for J-justsice A-action T-truth. Jat stood to the justice and truth and justififed in his action. Perhaps we have lost these values during the transitional phase of after independence. Leaders from our caste could not prove to the values cherished by the community. while we have sacrificed time and again when a need was felt and demand was for the service of the community. We have failed to produce a leadership after independent. while we have a great leadership of the modern time before it. I mean Sir, Chhottu Ram Choudhary. Now, not to mention any individual, I could not find a single leadership in my community barring all political lines. All politicians are making business out of the sentimental affiliation of the community persons. In these circumstances, I have hope only in my educated and established youth that they may come forward as NGO and not to affiliate with any party. In case we are succesful to ignite the mind of our young people we can survives otherwise our politicians have are no more role models and they have nothing in the name of leadership where they can lead to us. I request to say good bye to all politicians and to apsire for the adjustment of the community in the economy of the time. we must take this case for our people and go for their cause to adopt technology and modern economy, other issues will be settled automatically. It is a shame that people like chautala belong to my caste. though i respect his father who have lived for the cause of community.So as a democrate caste we have to go by the merits of the people and not to follow the family on feudal lines. democrates are not feudals.

with regards

kpsingh

rkumar

May 14th, 2004, 12:59 PM

Dear Friends,

I totally endorse the views of Co. Malik. I am sure Sonia will do a better job as she will be always under pressure to prove her credentials. I have full faith in our villages and its they only who rescue us always from the cluitches of misrulers. BJP has always been a party of traders and only traders benefited the most under this party. Look at the plight of cane growers...they can not pay the fees of their kids...what development are we talking..
Now coming to the suffereings of Sonia Gandhi..I do not know what suffereings will convince Arti...Sonia went through enormous emotional sufferings when her husband was killed, when Mrs Gandhi was killed...She was shifted to 10 Jan Path to live like a typical widow away from all life...Living alone as widow in a foreign land can be very hard...ask some one who has gone through it...

In today's global village culture does it really matter who was born where ? How many know that RJD Tata's heart was never in India, though he did everything for the development of India. He remains burried in France...Was Tata any way less Indian when it came to the development of India ?

How many of you will recollect that Indian National Congress was started in Bombay not by Indians but by some British only and it wasd only later on that the Indians took over and finally won freedom from this very platform..So let us judge a person by his/ her deeds and not by his/ her caste, nationality and religion etc..

More than Atal Vihari Vajpayee or Sonia or any one individual, I have full faith in our democracy and whenever time came, Indians have really stood the test of time. May I ask what background these persons like Mahajans, Arun Jaitleys have...?? Have they done any good for average Indians?...

Whatever one may call about Chautala, he has definitely given voice to farmers. May be like all politicians he is also full of other problems, but he is a man from ground. May be his sons are not so much conncected with issues and have become arrogant with power.

India will only shine when all its villages shine and not just south delhi or Bangalore shine... I don't know how many of you know te sate in which village infrastructure is...

Rajendra

rajendersingh

May 14th, 2004, 02:53 PM

dear all,
since every body is free to raise his or her voice about the origin of mrs gandhi,i feel that it is realy a shame for my country to have her as p m.its all together a different story how she performs.i feel a person who just happen to be a widow of a former p m and with foreign origin should not be allowed to rule this country.it speak very low on our part

her sufferings have been realy painful.but who was responsible for that,atleast not the country.mrs indira gandhi made a mistake in handling the punjab issue and whole country suffered for that,and in turn she also died. same is the case with rajeev gandhi.we gained nothing in srilanka.we lost so many lives in addition to other sufferings including reputation of the country.and it was a national shame that ltte killed our former p m.i think instead of getting emotional we should undersatand the reason behind all this.i do not support what all happen to both of them but it could have been avoided if these two ppl had not followed the path they chose.
now instead of forgetting the past we are trying to reward the lady as p m and punish the country by having her as p m..so what, even if she is a born italian.some how i am not able to understand this logic.every country has got some self respect,and i expect the same from my fellow countrymen.

pradeeprana

May 14th, 2004, 03:39 PM

THIS IS FOR CHOWDHARY
u know nothing bout ground realities. mr. chowdhary.heraing(i must say overhearing) others view u r writing this.shame on indians like u who hv excepted this.u urself not confident of ur foregner likely to b pm of our country thats y u said she will b kicked out if she doesnt perform.

I HV LOT TO SAY,I M SURE U WONT B ABLE TO DEFEND.SO CALLED INDIAN.

Choudhary (May 14, 2004 12:53 a.m.):
Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.

Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.

BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.

rightly said malik saheb:

"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "

quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.

It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.

But then it's democracy![/quote]

danarambeerda

May 14th, 2004, 04:08 PM

Ramandeep (May 13, 2004 10:45 a.m.):
chautala is an idiot.

i will never accept a foreigner as PM. never!

Please don't use bad words for any one....Please.....

As far as Sonia Gandhi concern - certainly she is better then BBBBB JJJJJJ PPPPPP....

chhoraharyanada

May 14th, 2004, 04:16 PM

kuldeep,

chautala is a sharabi-kababi idiot. He has done nothing for the development or improvement of haryana.

this election further emphasised his dynastic approach to politics by him trying to get his sons into politics.

glad both of them lost. they can now concentrate on suitable dieting. both desparately need it.

As for Sonia Gandhi,

"Hardships"? Oh puh-lease!! spare me!! If any of those gandhi women went through hardships, it was Maneka who lost her husband at 21 and had to bring up a child all by herself. She had a witch of a mother-in-law. Unlike Sonia, she never enjoyed full support of Indira or the other Congress cronies.

If the likes of Harkishan Surjeet or Mulayam Singh Yadav have a single iota of pride, they will dig their heels in and say to the Congress "we dont want a foreign PM"!

Aur vaise bhi Gandhio ka legacy dekho ... they always end up dead one way or the other. She's already very unpopular (approx 1/3 of the country). Unlike her mother-in-law, no one is going to wait for her to do something wrong!

No offence intended to anyone ... But I am really emotional on this issue. My great-grandfather was in jail for 5 years in the 1930's against British rule. And what have some of the people of India done? Willingly bought a firangi to rule all over again.

chhoraharyanada

May 14th, 2004, 04:20 PM

Dana Ram Choudhary (May 14, 2004 06:38 a.m.):

As far as Sonia Gandhi concern - certainly she is better then BBBBB JJJJJJ PPPPPP....

Ram Ram

Theek hai ji maan liya ... kam-se-kam, ek sardar (surjeet) yaa ek yadav (mulayam) ek firangi aurath se ache hoyenge!

itsnavin

May 14th, 2004, 04:49 PM

It's really a disheartening moment for Atal ji. He really has done a lot for the country. What all we have seen in the past 3-4 years, it's all due to him and his government set up. I don't actually support BJP but I support the development! And it was only due to this that the slogan "INDIA SHINING" came up.

But for Sonia and her Cong., this time they wooed the MUSLIM votes in their favor. They benefitted on what happened in Gujrat. You know what this time the turnout in Muslim dominated constituency was higher than previous years. It's not really that BJP is communal but Cong. as well. But sometimes you don't see it. Anyway, they have won the elections but they don't have any good PM candidate like Atalji.
Anyway, I think if Sonia heads at the center, the days are numbered and it's better to prepare for the re-elections.

jagmohan

May 14th, 2004, 05:21 PM

Bhai Ramandeep,

Please don't take it personally.

By the way many grandfathers were in jail during the British Rule. It was a price the nation had to pay for freedom. But tell me something. If your Grandfather was put in jail by the Britishers, what are you doing in UK? I shall answer this question for you. Because you want a better life for yourself and your loved ones. And you have forgotten and forgiven.

Let us not take this discussion towards issues that have no black and white answers. Like the 'Sacrifices' made by the Gandhi family. Well it is an individual perception. Let me quote you a sentence or two that I heard in the Courts of Sonepat a long time back.

When Mrs Indira Gandhi was assasinated and the nation went into a killing spree, a Tau who had come to the courts for some work remarked "Ye Sardar bhi bevkoof hain. Galat kaam karengey. Indira ke goli maran ki ke jaroorat thi, uske chhore ke goli marte te ya aape na mar jaati. Is khandan te is desh ka pichha te chhut jaata". Why I am quoting this is because we always have very strong reactions on issues.

Another time one Tau got disgusted with this sacrifice talk of Nehru Gandhi family and said "Ooo bhai. Nu karo, manne pradhan mantri bana dyo paanch saal. Time pura hota he mein apne aap ke goli maar lunga". Someone asked him Why? He said "Paanch saal mein itna pisa bana loonga, saat peedhi aish karengi". So let us leave it at this.

Now about Rajiv Gandhi sending troops to Sri Lanka. Well, he was advised by the incompetent subservient Generals who were looking for lucrative posts after retirement. Let us not blame an individual for something that comes in the sphere of 'Collective Responsibility'.

Except us no one says we are a great nation? Yes, the potential to be a great nation may be but not great by any measure. I don't want to repeat what I have written elsewhere but I only hope this great land and its inhabitants have at least clean drinking water, primary health and education and equitable treatment for all castes and creeds.

Regards,

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)

sanjeevmalik

May 14th, 2004, 06:14 PM

I would like to know (If possible) what is the percentage of the votes that were cast by the individuals were by their own discretion/thinking and the percentage of the votes cast by people who just follow blindly/forcefully.

I would also like to know is there no other competent family other than Gandhi’s to lead congress? Why should Rahul or Priyanka late jumping into the campaign make such s big impact on the votes swing? What kind of political/leadership mileage do Rahul/Priyanka have? I guess it just shows that majority of the Indian voters are still incapable of electing a right leader for their constituency. A good/high percentage of Indian citizens still cast their votes by heart rather by their mind.

chhoraharyanada

May 14th, 2004, 08:47 PM

Lt Col Jagmohan Malik (Retd) (May 14, 2004 07:51 a.m.):
Bhai Ramandeep,

Please don't take it personally.

By the way many grandfathers were in jail during the British Rule. It was a price the nation had to pay for freedom. But tell me something. If your Grandfather was put in jail by the Britishers, what are you doing in UK? I shall answer this question for you. Because you want a better life for yourself and your loved ones. And you have forgotten and forgiven.

Let us not take this discussion towards issues that have no black and white answers. Like the 'Sacrifices' made by the Gandhi family. Well it is an individual perception. Let me quote you a sentence or two that I heard in the Courts of Sonepat a long time back.

When Mrs Indira Gandhi was assasinated and the nation went into a killing spree, a Tau who had come to the courts for some work remarked "Ye Sardar bhi bevkoof hain. Galat kaam karengey. Indira ke goli maran ki ke jaroorat thi, uske chhore ke goli marte te ya aape na mar jaati. Is khandan te is desh ka pichha te chhut jaata". Why I am quoting this is because we always have very strong reactions on issues.

Another time one Tau got disgusted with this sacrifice talk of Nehru Gandhi family and said "Ooo bhai. Nu karo, manne pradhan mantri bana dyo paanch saal. Time pura hota he mein apne aap ke goli maar lunga". Someone asked him Why? He said "Paanch saal mein itna pisa bana loonga, saat peedhi aish karengi". So let us leave it at this.

Now about Rajiv Gandhi sending troops to Sri Lanka. Well, he was advised by the incompetent subservient Generals who were looking for lucrative posts after retirement. Let us not blame an individual for something that comes in the sphere of 'Collective Responsibility'.

Except us no one says we are a great nation? Yes, the potential to be a great nation may be but not great by any measure. I don't want to repeat what I have written elsewhere but I only hope this great land and its inhabitants have at least clean drinking water, primary health and education and equitable treatment for all castes and creeds.

Regards,

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)

Dear Jagmohan Ji,

Ram Ram

How can you possibly compare being an NRI to an outright foreigner?! My connections with India are not via marriage, nor political gain. I think you are correlating incorrect things.

As for sacrifices by the Gandhi family? Please spare me the Class IX history lesson! Their contribution is over-exhaggerated grossly! Nehru's one stint in jail, and that too with 5-star treatment! haha! And as for Indira - well, she got what was coming to her! And as for Doon-educated Rajiv - yes, so in touch with the common folk of India! If they weren't loaded enough, the motto was "lets help ourselves to even more Indian money". Bofors ring any bells? So, yet again I will shed neither tears nor sympathy for another Gandhi assassination.

The sooner the Gandhis are out of Indian politics - the better. I personally don't care how. India will be the better for it! No one family or its legacy is bigger than India itself.

anilkc

May 14th, 2004, 09:33 PM

If u can accept foriegn money, job, equipment, seeds,bahu-damad, TV and TV chnls (etc. etc. etc. there is a long list)then why not a foreign PM ?
If u can accept italian marlble, italian leather, italian scooters, italian food then why not italian PM?
Anyway, she has lived in India longer than in Italy. Give her a chance and talk abt her after 5 yrs. 50 saal ho gaye made in india try kiya, ab italian try karo. Shayad kaam ban jaye.
She won it fair and square. She was elected by 100% Indians, no italians cast there vote here.

BJP did a good job, but it was just not good enough. Perhaps they should have been given some more time, but ppl are getting frusted and loosing patience. BJP did bring some good change, but they did not just go far enough.

I am sure if congress does not make good use of there time, they too will be kicked out next time. As for chautala, go and vote in the haryana election, if u can. The good thing abt this election was that no one won bcos of the name chautala and this shows name does not count for "real" voters. And by same analogy, Sonia did not win bcos of Gandhi name.

naveen_chaudhary

May 14th, 2004, 11:23 PM

For those supporting Congress and critcising BJP/Vajpayee- Are we saying that before 1999 (when congress was ruling most of the times since independence) there was no poverty or a poor man in India and then all of a sudden Vajpayee came to power and in just 5 years created a nation where more than half of the population is below poverty line? Amazing!!!!!!

For the same lot - I hope now (when Congress is going to rule again) we'll have same (pre-BJP) utopia again! Well !!! All the best mates!

chhoraharyanada

May 14th, 2004, 11:27 PM

Well, we have a Congress Gov't now supported by the likes of Lalloo Yadav and all the commies.

Look forward to more Bofors,Hawara,Animal Husbandry type scandals to follow ...

sanjeevmalik

May 14th, 2004, 11:58 PM

Dear Anil,

I guess there is a difference in doing business (importing quality material) and some body at the post of the most powerful position in our country.

Thanks.

brainspeak

May 15th, 2004, 01:24 AM

dear ramandeep...
chautala ke haath dho ke peeche kyun pad raha hai yeh to mein nahin janta......leki jahan tak kaam karne ki baat hai...rural area mein to is sarkar ne kaam karwaya hai...road banwayein hain aur kisaoon ke bhi pooch ki hai....aur gaon mein bhi paise diye hain......lekin yeh time time ki baat hoti hai ki haar--jit to chalti rehti hai...last election mein congree ka patta saaf tha...is baar INLD ka ho gaya....dynastic approach to har jagah hoti hai......kahin bhi dekh le.........ab har ghar mein leader to hone se rahe.....aajke kisi bhi neta ko utha ke dekh lo...ya to dyansty se aaya hai ya phir dynasty jo bada raha hai.....
sonia gandhi ke PM banne ke baare mein to yahi kah sakte hain ki desh ka dhurbhagya hai.....ek political naam ke alawa kuch nahin hai sonia ke pass....aise vayakti ko desh ki bagdor dena desh ke liye bura hi sabit hoga....

palsaniya

May 15th, 2004, 02:00 AM

First of all what do u want ?? a victorious country or feebleminded with frizzled leaders??

some ppl are crazy with low mentality bout foreign origin of sonia...if you want to see ur country really victorious then don't go for ur ego problem and just think bout quality of ppl n doesn't matter who is he/her....as same thing we follow when we go for intercaste marriages.

Look at indian leaders, max leaders are like worse than donkeies....so don't compromise with donkies just due to bit ego problem....Think bout only quality of person...

chhoraharyanada

May 15th, 2004, 02:21 AM

In the last 5 years of NDA, both Naidu and Chautala were part of the NDA Gov't.

Naidu always laid out to the likes of Vajpayee and Advani what he wanted for his people and his state. He might have greased his hands a little along the way, but all-in-all visible development was occuring in Hyderabad and with regards to IT etc.

Chautala - on the other hand ... so far, all we've heard is widening of roads and a few minor things. As long as he was happy drinking and his aulad's eating lots of food, haryana ke jaat baarh mein gaye.

anilkc

May 15th, 2004, 02:21 AM

Yeh Chautala or Sonia ka kiya connection hai?

chhoraharyanada

May 15th, 2004, 02:24 AM

"Yeh Chautala or Sonia ka kiya connection hai?"

patha nahi ... par chautala neh BJP ka satyanaas kara diya Haryana mein.

dsmolurd

May 15th, 2004, 02:25 AM

Chautala does not drink as far as I know.

dsmolurd

May 15th, 2004, 02:27 AM

Actually the Lok Sabha elections did both
BJP and Chautala a big favour.

Now that they BOTH know that they aren't
going to make it alone, they'll tie up
for the Haryana elections, and that'll keep the
congress out of Haryana.

itsnavin

May 15th, 2004, 05:12 PM

RC Sahab
let's say ur words are correct that "max leaders are donkeys"..Ok..then in principles all cong. leaders are donkeys as well along with any other parties. Kyon?
aur jab hamare country ke donkeys available hain to Italy se she-donkey kyon import karen??
Think about it. Ek aur khaas baat...u mentioned that 'Think bout the quality of the person', Do you see any qualities in Sonia as PM? Jo lady, after so long stay in India, abhi tak Hindi bhee padh/likh sakti hai, she don't really have spirits to integrate with Indians. Yeh to power hai ziske bal par usne yeh bola ki "She is more Indian than Italian..and she forgot Italian"..I can't do any thing but laugh over her comments. Bhala kabhi koi apni mother tougue to bhee bhool jata hai..basically bana rahi hai country walon ko aur sabko maloom bhee hai aur koi kuch nahin kar sakta...

socho..for me if Cong. rules, Manmohan Singh/Pranab Mukherjee/P.Chitambaram will make a good PM than Sonia...the lady doesn't deserve this at all...she is getting the KURSI by virtue of being a BAHU of Gandhi family. Itne dino tak Cong. ka raaj sahen kar liya...ab to iss desh ko kuch aur saalon ke liye unse mukt karo!

anujkadyan

May 15th, 2004, 11:52 PM

Hello all,
Well I am late in joining the discussion..

I feel really ashamed to realize we have come to a point where we had to choose an Italian to make our PM. Someone pointed it out right.. if Mulayam sing or Sharad pawar or any one els has any dignity they wont support her as PM.( but they are more interested in power sharing i think)

She was in India for so long before her husbands assasination.. why culdnt she learn Hindi, our culture and our traditions at that time...She never felt the need for it that time. It was only after Rajiv's assasination that she started taking lessons in hindi!!!

She doesnt belong to this place.. she doesnt knwo about how an average Indian feels or what his problems are..She knows of it only through the ppl around her who write her speeches and who tell her what to do.
Has she ever spent a day in a village and seen how hard life is.. she goes there only for election campaign..wear green saree when going to a muslim constituency..hug some ppl ..kiss some kids.. thats the only time she wuld have spent with avg Indian.
Rahul( or shuld i say "Raul" and make it sound like an Italian name now) and Priyanka come out of their social circles only during election campaigning and are flaunted by the congress to emotionally win votes.
Is there anyone here who thinks Rahul or Priyanka can be good leaders and are aware of the Indian problems and what needs to be done ?

As for her sufferings.. yes its a great pain to go through what she has undergone.. but there are so many India mothers and wives who loose their snos and husbands on the borders.. and they dont have the Gandhi legacy to fall back on.. what abt them..Their sacrifice is much bigger.. and those guys did a much better job for our country than what Rajiv Gandhi did.

This point is out of the context ..but I will anyway say it as it hurts a lot. After Godhara next day in papers it was just that a "mob"(no one dared say Muslims burnt) of ppl burnt 50 Hindus and congress dint say a word to condemn it. Next day, after the repercussions.. congress was all chaged against the HINDU MOB.( I dont say what Modi did was right..and lets not discuss it either).

Ok I will stop here.
Looks like this discussion is a bit heated up..No offence intended to anyone.. These are just my personal views..
Regards,
Anuj

shivender

May 16th, 2004, 03:56 AM

Close your eyes and open your mind. Right now it doesn’t matter who rules as everyone has long list of negative points.
But these elections shows the power of Indian democracy, against all predictions from 6 months back, people showed there power. To overthrow a govt which was doing ok. This shows how India is moving forward. People want more from there govt. Indian democracy is slowly but surely maturing.
Good times are coming.... just wait

dsmolurd

May 16th, 2004, 07:14 AM

Exactly how is Indian democracy maturing ? And exactly how do we know good times are coming ?

Indian governments have been going and coming since the last few decades. I don't quite see how that translates into you concluding anything other than that the people were getting tired of the most recent power holders. Anything other than that would be a stretch.

uday

May 16th, 2004, 09:45 AM

Chautala was first to implement VAT in state..( Baniya & Punjabi to royega hi)
but ek fact hai..Jitne naukri chautala ne JAT logo ko di,itne kisi bhi CM ne aaj taknahi de.. Aur vo bhi begaar paise ki ( Vo alag baat hai.. ko beech main aapna influence use karke paise kha gaya ho )
chayeeh JBT selection ho,ya fir 1500 police walaon ka ya fir HCS ka...

Jitne jobs chautala ne JAT logon ko diye hai,, itne na to Devi Lal , Ajit Singh, Sahib Singh ,Sompal or any other JAT leader till date ne diye..
Yeh ek fact hai.

Haan Moti party ( especially business community) ko chautala bakhsta nahi..Gurgoan se khub paisa ekhttha kiya... per kisi Gareeb JAT ko tang nahi kiya..

Ajay \ Abhay ki vajah se maara ja rha hai yeh to..
State main dekhna aab congress aaygee.. Aur BhajanLal banega CM ( Hooda ko to bhool jao). Fir dekhna kisi ek JAT ko agar chapdassi bhi laga de to, kisi ki transfer ( suitable place per) nahi hone dega..Sub Jat logon ka ragda lagayega..Just wait and watch.

shivender

May 18th, 2004, 04:25 AM

Do you understand 'THE PROCESS' of how democracy matures?

You wrote -'Indian governments have been going and coming since the last few decades.'

If you think your statement above is correct than you have lived in some other India.

You Said ' I don't quite see how that translates into you concluding anything other than that the people were getting tired of the most recent power holders.'

Here you are correct to say 'people were getting tired of the most recent power holders.'
Do you understand the depth of the statement. If you want to take a negative apporach then there are 1000's.
But the FACT that people are changing power means a lot to a country.
This is not all, more important is The FACT that today more people understand that they can change the power positions.

Even this is not all-Most importantly Today more people understand that this Government of the people is by the people and for the people.

If you don't understand something- 'JUST ASK'
"He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help."

Dhamaka Singh Molurd (May 15, 2004 09:44 p.m.):
Exactly how is Indian democracy maturing ? And exactly how do we know good times are coming ?

Indian governments have been going and coming since the last few decades. I don't quite see how that translates into you concluding anything other than that the people were getting tired of the most recent power holders. Anything other than that would be a stretch.

ajmer

May 18th, 2004, 11:47 PM

The fact that a government can come and go is democracy. Think about the countries where a government can't come and go and the people are stuck with a goverment for years.

Yes, the democracy is meturing. This election has probably the fairest one of all the elections in the history of India's indpendence.

The fact, that Krishna Malik couldn't win from Sonepat despite the powerful hands of Ch. Chautala and her own husband.

I don't support any particular party just yet but I do support democracy.

-ajmer

Dhamaka Singh Molurd (May 15, 2004 09:44 p.m.):
Indian governments have been going and coming since the last few decades. I don't quite see how that translates into you concluding anything other than that the people were getting tired of the most recent power holders. Anything other than that would be a stretch.

rsdalal

May 19th, 2004, 07:32 AM

Just because newspapers do not write good about chautala, does not mean he is not good for JATS. But for sure he is not good for the business community and they controls most of the media.
Ramandeep you still have not provided any support for your earlier statments except calling him Sharabi and Kababi.
I do not support one leader over other but at the same time do not call them idiot as well, simply because media does not like them.

anilkc

May 19th, 2004, 06:59 PM

Ranvir ji,
why are u assuming, JATS do not belong to business community ? Why being good to business community is not good for Jats ?
I know majority of Jats are still farmers, but why is farming not a business ? Farming should be run as a business. Moreover, farm sector is over staffed. Its high time Jats move to other professions and make farming an efficient way to earn a living. And the so called leaders are supposed to educate and make available the opportunity to do so. Instead they promise free
food and make jats slave for their own short term benefits. This is why Chautalas and Ajit Singhs are a menace to Jats community and the sooner they get rid of them the better for Jats.

alkesh

May 19th, 2004, 11:51 PM

Pradeep ji,

first of all, i am a woman. i was out of town, i didn't read the post until today.

Those were my views and after reading your degraded reply, i have decided, i am not going to write my opinion on any subject. If i see someone asking for help for any matter, i would rather send email directly. One never know, on those help questions, what kind of reply one can get? specially on this forum.

I HAVE LOT TO SAY TOO!!! I am not going to defend myself for you. But at the same time, i would like to let you know: you don't know where i am coming from? How much i had as well as today I am giving back to my community as well as to my country. How many people we have helped specially jats in India as well US. People who know me on this board knows very well. ( i don't have to list here for you)

SHOULD I SAY SHAME ON YOU? MAY BE!

proud to be JATNI more than indian.

Peace!

[quote]Pradeep Singh Rana (May 14, 2004 06:09 a.m.):
THIS IS FOR CHOWDHARY
u know nothing bout ground realities. mr. chowdhary.heraing(i must say overhearing) others view u r writing this.shame on indians like u who hv excepted this.u urself not confident of ur foregner likely to b pm of our country thats y u said she will b kicked out if she doesnt perform.

I HV LOT TO SAY,I M SURE U WONT B ABLE TO DEFEND.SO CALLED INDIAN.