JAT and Politics

[m_sejwal]

Hi Friends....


This is my heartily request to all of our JAT brother’s & Sister to come together and form a solid group for our JAT Community As i am sorry to share the real fact that our community is going backwards day by day in spite of we have reach history and culture and its strange we have very few leader from our community inspite of leadership is in our blood.

We have to work together for betterment of our community and nation.

So Dear Brother’s and sister’s I want your valuable thought in this regards


Pls Do Reply ………..


JAI JAT


Mukesh Sejwal

Lado Sarai
New Delhi
09811690057

[raj2rif]

Dear Mr. Sejwal,

I agree with you on this issue. Kindly refer to my post "What should be expected of Jats Associations? You will be surprised that while there are too many posts on Mallika Sehrawat or Virendra Sehwag's couple of runs not many posts are on the issue raised by me. That shows the interests of majority of community.

Well, all of us need not be interested in Politics, as it is pretty complicated subject. Specially difficult for a soldier, even though history suggests, that soldiers do make good politicians too.

The basic thing is to organize the community at grass root level. How many people do have alligience to you or to one member of the community in your own locality. First let us get organized at local level. All these local associations can be represented by some one acceptable to the entire local community. All such representatives can then elect their regional, state, national and international leaders. I think that is the only way.

At local level not only we need to get organized, we also need to educate people from not getting swayed by the money of people to the opposition camp. We need to guard against such things, as once the orgnization starts picking up, many people will try to disrupt it by bribing our own community people.

Bhartiya Kisan Union took off very well, but lost in wilderness, because of the poor leadership. Till the time highly intellectual people were at the helm of affairs, it was working well, once they left it lost its cutting edge.

The organization should also not become one family business, as has been the case of Mr. Chautala and Mr. Ajit Singh's parties. Let me also assure you, if we are able to form some thing, meaningful, they may be the first people to oppose us, as their own job will be in danger. I feel, we don't need an individual Jat Leader to lead us, we need a strong Jat organization to lead us.

The subject raised by you is very important to community, let us see what response you get from the members.

[rkumar]

[QUOTE=raj2rif]Dear Mr. Sejwal,

I agree with you on this issue. Kindly refer to my post "What should be expected of Jats Associations? You will be surprised that while there are too many posts on Mallika Sehrawat or Virendra Sehwag's couple of runs not many posts are on the issue raised by me. That shows the interests of majority of community.

Answer: I totally agree with you Tavathia Sahab on this. We the so called intellectuals make lot of noise but do very little when it comes to taking active part.
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Well, all of us need not be interested in Politics, as it is pretty complicated subject. Specially difficult for a soldier, even though history suggests, that soldiers do make good politicians too.

Answer: I also agree, its a very complicated subject and needs constant inputs and adjustments. Its not a cup of tea for everyone. Soldiars making good politicians is a bit difficult issue and can not be generalised. History also proves that Army rules have been a major disasters in most of the cases. In olden days when kings used to be the chiefs of army, things were different. They used to depend upon the advice of some chosen civilians to run the affairs of state. Quality of their advisors decided how succesful kings they were.
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The basic thing is to organize the community at grass root level. How many people do have alligience to you or to one member of the community in your own locality. First let us get organized at local level. All these local associations can be represented by some one acceptable to the entire local community. All such representatives can then elect their regional, state, national and international leaders. I think that is the only way.

Answer: What you say, makes full sense. Unfortunately the dynamics of these local associations is so volatile that they rarely remain cohessive except when there are ongoing agitations for some external cause. Everyone wants to be a leader and no one wants to become a follower.
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At local level not only we need to get organized, we also need to educate people from not getting swayed by the money of people to the opposition camp. We need to guard against such things, as once the orgnization starts picking up, many people will try to disrupt it by bribing our own community people.

Bhartiya Kisan Union took off very well, but lost in wilderness, because of the poor leadership. Till the time highly intellectual people were at the helm of affairs, it was working well, once they left it lost its cutting edge.

The organization should also not become one family business, as has been the case of Mr. Chautala and Mr. Ajit Singh's parties. Let me also assure you, if we are able to form some thing, meaningful, they may be the first people to oppose us, as their own job will be in danger. I feel, we don't need an individual Jat Leader to lead us, we need a strong Jat organization to lead us.

Answer: Once again I agree fully to what you say. Unfortunately people have a tendency to go for a brand which they see in such politicians. Unless we find some really strong alternatives, I don't know how to come out of such mess. In todays politics the personal issues take precedence over community issues. Community gets divided over personal issues much more than it gets united over collective issues. It really takes some genius to reverse this trend.
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Politics is one thing, winning election is another thing, running affairs of state is totally another thing...Leadiong the community is once again a totally different thing...So in summary its really a very complex game and one has to work his her mind 24 hrs on it...and most important, one can succeed only when one really enjoys this whole game..

High time we have a Politics section on jatland.

Rajendra

[sumnendu]

Dear all

You told a nice thing. But it is the time now all of us have to come and talk openly on this issue. Writing in this forum, or any newspaper is not worhh while. Come to join hand and unit our local group. These group then me unit in big ones and so on.. Individually we can do nothing. One should be leader and others to follow him and also respect him. it is upon us how leader we choose to maintain the unity and to communicate with other group to make the group bigger.

And one thing more. Regular and online communication is must between the jat people who really want the unity of jat community.
U see that in the times of jat icon Maharaja Surajmal jat community was the power in Mughal times that irritated the Mughals also and effected the whole 'shasana' of Mughals. We need such type of leader today so that our jat community may get the respect as it possessed in past.

Regards..

Sumnendu

Editor of Monthly Magazine for Jat Community

'Maharaja Surajmal Times'

[rajeshrathee]

Mukesh ji and sumendu lets arrange to meet each other on a weekend and lets start someting,. lets take a step and v have very experianced and seasoned people like tevatia jee and other to guide us. we may start something like a NGo committed to help the jats from root level or as the majority says.

[sumnendu]

Mukesh ji and sumendu lets arrange to meet each other on a weekend and lets start someting,. lets take a step and v have very experianced and seasoned people like tevatia jee and other to guide us. we may start something like a NGo committed to help the jats from root level or as the majority says.
Dear Rajesh Rathi ji

U r right. The first step in this way will be to find time to stand a meeting and discuss about this topic.

Please set time on weekend

Regards.

[rajeshrathee]

Sumenndu
I Think U Live Around Rohini, V Can Meet Each Other On Any Time But I Think Lets First Wait For Other Brothers Living In Delhi Who Wishes To Join Us And Then Decide It

I Am Ready To Come Any Day At Any Time

With Regards
Rajesh

[raj2rif]

Dear Mukesh Ji, Sumnendu Ji and Rajesh Ji,

That is a good idea to get to gether and discuss the project face to face. Please start off and people will join you sooner or later. If you wait for a large group to get together to start a project, then it may be a non starter. I wish I was there with you all to meet you in person. Any way, internet technology allows us to exchange information in real time and we can discuss issues sitting far away.

I will also speak to community members here. Off course priority here may be different as not many may be either having first hand knowledge of the ground situation there or may not have immidiate interests/inclination to participate. But that should not deter us from making a begining. I personally feel that a cohesive small group is more effective than a disintigrated large group.

Please inform us about the progress you make.

With best wishes to all of you.

[raj2rif]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Thanks for replying to my post point wise. I however do differ on certain issues.

Firstly, your quote

Answer: I totally agree with you Tavathia Sahab on this. We the so called intellectuals make lot of noise but do very little when it comes to taking active part.

What does that mean? If some one want to join us or want to do some thing, he/she is most welcome. Even is some one is making lot of noise, it really does not matter so long they make positive contribution and have constructive criticism. Taking active part in a project is a matter of choice specially if it is not for profit. In my post, I have intended to propose an organization in which we work for the betterment of community and the nation. We will do what ever little we can do.

The second answer you have given is as under:

I also agree, its a very complicated subject and needs constant inputs and adjustments. Its not a cup of tea for everyone. Soldiars making good politicians is a bit difficult issue and can not be generalised. History also proves that Army rules have been a major disasters in most of the cases. In olden days when kings used to be the chiefs of army, things were different. They used to depend upon the advice of some chosen civilians to run the affairs of state. Quality of their advisors decided how succesful kings they were.

While quality of advisors help in a better governance, the picking up those quality advisor requires a very deep thought and forsight. Now, while soldiers may not make a good politicians as per your thinking, what is the guarantee that civilians make a good politicians. As far as the ruling is concerned, we have had civilian government since independence, and who is actually ruling? Majority of your so called intelligent civilian politicians are having criminal back ground. So let us not discard any one whether he/she is a civilian or soldier. Soldiers atleast have one thing better than their civilian counterpart, and that is they are comperatively honest when you talk about large numbers. Exceptions are every where and I shall not go into those details.

Your third answer:

Answer: What you say, makes full sense. Unfortunately the dynamics of these local associations is so volatile that they rarely remain cohessive except when there are ongoing agitations for some external cause. Everyone wants to be a leader and no one wants to become a follower.

While what you say might be true, but does that mean that we don't even make an effort. Don't you think so by discouraging people by such answers who want to do some thing, we might be those "so called intellectuals making lot of noise"? I guess, one can always make an attempt. Each and every attempt may not be successful.

Your next answer:

Answer: Once again I agree fully to what you say. Unfortunately people have a tendency to go for a brand which they see in such politicians. Unless we find some really strong alternatives, I don't know how to come out of such mess. In todays politics the personal issues take precedence over community issues. Community gets divided over personal issues much more than it gets united over collective issues. It really takes some genius to reverse this trend.

Sir, While that may be true. It is because of this reason, I had mentioned that not only we need to organize people but also we need to educate them to long term objectives rather than short term gains. I know it is a difficult task, but no harm in trying.

Lastly:

You said:

Politics is one thing, winning election is another thing, running affairs of state is totally another thing...Leadiong the community is once again a totally different thing...So in summary its really a very complex game and one has to work his her mind 24 hrs on it...and most important, one can succeed only when one really enjoys this whole game..

What we are looking at organizing people. I am sure once the organization grows we will find enough educated and skilled people to take up various jobs and meet the challanges of those jobs. We can only enjoy it if we start it in first place.

Rajendra Ji, to be honest your answers looked to me very discouraging to the whole idea. I personally feel, that we should encourage people who want to do some thing for the community. Even writing on this website and making constructive contributions is some service to the community.

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Ji,


Rajendra Ji, to be honest your answers looked to me very discouraging to the whole idea. I personally feel, that we should encourage people who want to do some thing for the community. Even writing on this website and making constructive contributions is some service to the community.

Dear Tavathia Sahab,

First lesson in politics is that one should not feel discouraged. One must be driven by his/ her convictions and just not the views of others. A good leader/ politician is one who can absorb conflicting views and still carry the people together.

Regards
Rajendra

[raj2rif]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Thanks a lot. Don't worry, I am not the one who will get discouraged. I think I have seen enough of such situations in past and carried on. I would however definitely request the members to be more supportive to the ideas of other members, rather than finding fault in each and every idea. What we need to see the the goodness among people and ideas. It is too easy to critiscize any individual or idea, what is difficult is to find out a new approach to solve an issue. Sumnendu, Rajesh and Mukesh have come up with some thing good and we should not discourage them if we can't support them.

Having read most of your posts, it looks to me that you are an expert on politics. It will be a very nice service to these members if you can kindly communicate with them and help them in developing what they are intending to do. I on my part will definitely do what ever little knowledge I have about the subject.

Dear Tavathia Sahab,

First lesson in politics is that one should not feel discouraged. One must be driven by his/ her convictions and just not the views of others. A good leader/ politician is one who can absorb conflicting views and still carry the people together.

Regards
Rajendra

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Having read most of your posts, it looks to me that you are an expert on politics. It will be a very nice service to these members if you can kindly communicate with them and help them in developing what they are intending to do. I on my part will definitely do what ever little knowledge I have about the subject.

TAvathia Sahab! Expert politician agar hum hote to Ub tak minister na hote..Haan yeh jaroor hai ki politicians ke saath uth baithkar thoree galat fehmee jaroor ho jati hai kai baar ki shayad hum bhi politician ho sakte hain.

If my posts are any indications, I write almost on everything..be it shairee, politics, humour or history. Ofcourse my views are always mine. I respond to anything where I think I can contribute anything. I never discourage people, but at the same time try to put the harsh reality, lest they take things too simplistically. Trust me, I never write with malice towards anyone.

I don't know if you have observed. Lately very few posts are reaching double digit responses from the members. In fact some of the posts hardly get any response. By not agreeing to mainstram views blindly, at least I add some fire and life into the debates. Looking at the response statistics to various posts in last one month will expose the facts at the quality of debates..

Regards
Rajendra

[raj2rif]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Thanks for your reply. I would not comment on you having any conception or misconception of being a good politician for whatever reason you may have mentioned it. I know for sure, that you probably know more about the subject than me. I still have a long way to go and learn and I am pretty much prepared for it.

Only a learned person can write on variety of subject. I have never been a good writer and hence limit myself to certain subjects that interest me and some time I feel good for the community. We all must share our experiences in the field that we have either worked or we have done some studies.

Bringing up the harsh realities of the problems is a very good sign, and one must bring those out. However some time we bring out these realities in a manner that it becomes scary to the reader or the newcomer who is trying to do some thing, and thus making him a non starter. It is some thing like saying half empty and half filled.

As far as quality of debates are concerned, I really don't agree with you on this issue. What I have seen that we have digressed more often than not on the issues the thread starter intended to discuss. This vary post may also be leading to that direction.

One does not have to follow the mainstream blindly but at the same time one does not have to find fault in each and every thing that is mainstream. I have seen people making personal comments on other members and trying to prove them to be a laughing stock. That is not a good humor. Good humor is one in which one tries to make fool of him/herself and make others laugh. Humor at the cost of others does not go well very far. Again these are my views. May be I don't have a good sense of humor.

I think we have discussed enough on this issue. I would like to concentrate on the main issue on the thread what Mukesh had started. If we remain focussed on the issue raised, we will be doing a better service to subject. How much one writes does not interest most people (mainstream), only what one writes does. I seriously think that we should remain focussed on the topic.

I really value your views and would be happy to hear more from you. In case you feel to communicate some thing personally to me, kindly use my personal email as we would be diluting the seriousness of the subject if we do it on this thread.

TAvathia Sahab! Expert politician agar hum hote to Ub tak minister na hote..Haan yeh jaroor hai ki politicians ke saath uth baithkar thoree galat fehmee jaroor ho jati hai kai baar ki shayad hum bhi politician ho sakte hain.

If my posts are any indications, I write almost on everything..be it shairee, politics, humour or history. Ofcourse my views are always mine. I respond to anything where I think I can contribute anything. I never discourage people, but at the same time try to put the harsh reality, lest they take things too simplistically. Trust me, I never write with malice towards anyone.

I don't know if you have observed. Lately very few posts are reaching double digit responses from the members. In fact some of the posts hardly get any response. By not agreeing to mainstram views blindly, at least I add some fire and life into the debates. Looking at the response statistics to various posts in last one month will expose the facts at the quality of debates..

Regards
Rajendra

[sumnendu]

Dear Virendra Ji and Rajendra Ji

Your conversatoin showed that politics, army and jat are attached to one another. There is only jat in the world that is farmer, he is soldier, these two have the responsibility to take the nation ahead. Then why not the farmers and soldiers can run the nation. Defenately the will. One of you have politician and one is soldier. Both of you can guide us to go ahead on this way to unite the jat community. Some of us have decided to unite our group. furture you have to guide us. you have lot of experience. but please remember that 'only jat can be a farmer, a soldier and a politician simoultaniously.' We should take example from 'Choudhry Charan Singh' great 'Sir Choturam' and one of the most powerful emperor 'Maharaja Surajmal'

Regards

Sumnendu

for
'Maharaja Surajmal Times'
(a monthly magazine for Jats)

[rkumar]

Dear Virendra Ji and Rajendra Ji

Your conversatoin showed that politics, army and jat are attached to one another. There is only jat in the world that is farmer, he is soldier, these two have the responsibility to take the nation ahead. Then why not the farmers and soldiers can run the nation. Defenately the will. One of you have politician and one is soldier. Both of you can guide us to go ahead on this way to unite the jat community. Some of us have decided to unite our group. furture you have to guide us. you have lot of experience. but please remember that 'only jat can be a farmer, a soldier and a politician simoultaniously.' We should take example from 'Choudhry Charan Singh' great 'Sir Choturam' and one of the most powerful emperor 'Maharaja Surajmal'

Regards

Sumnendu

for
'Maharaja Surajmal Times'
(a monthly magazine for Jats)

I will do my best and contribute as much as I can..General issues can be discussed here on Jatland, but specific issues can only be discussed and communicated via personal channels.

Best wishes.
Rajendra

[m_sejwal]

Dear Friends,


Thanks all of you for putting up your valuable thoughts and I am happy to see the intellectual people’s from our community like Col. Virendra , Mr. Rajendra, Sumenduji and Rajesh ji. Your thoughts gives me lots of confidence and hope for our vision /mission which yet to start . we have to buildup a group which should work from first Level (local ) but it should follow the core principle of our main stream so we have to define all the characteristics of main stream for our community, like we form a group which will set core values and principle for community and it will be the open discussion any one can put their suggestions in that once it accepted by majority we will publish our agenda which should be accepted to other groups which is working at root level.

But there is one big question in mind how we start with this



Mukesh Sejwal

Lado Sarai
New Delhi
09811690057

[sumnendu]

I will do my best and contribute as much as I can..General issues can be discussed here on Jatland, but specific issues can only be discussed and communicated via personal channels.

Best wishes.
Rajendra

Thanks Rajendra Ji,

You can mail me to tell me something on this issue.

Thanks

Email Address: sumnendu@yahoo.com

surajmal_times@yahoo.com

Regards

[sumnendu]

Dear Virendra ji

You are soldier and a soldier is always a soldier. Be he in army or not, his life is always of a soldier by body and soul. We have lot of hope from you. in this thread i hope that you will post an article daily so that other 'jat bhais' may be familier with your views to make our jat community greatest in the world. We have to start yet, and you can guide us.

Please dont forget to post an article daily. Do the needful.

I request to all of the members that they put there valuable views in this thread.

Regards

Sumnendu

[raj2rif]

Dear Sumnendu Ji,

Thanks a lot for your post. It is a tall order to post a topic every day. I will do my best to post my views and ideas on the topics that interest me or those topics which help community.

One of the best quality soldiering develops in a person is adaptability. A soldier adapts new circumstances pretty well. Let us get views of other community members. Shri Dharampal Dudee ji is trying to unite all the Jats associations under one banner. You may like to read his posts on his new website at www.********.net

The thread Mr. Mukesh has started is very interesting and would do a lot of good to the community if we all can come together and make our efforts meaningful. I shall try and do my best.



Dear Virendra ji

You are soldier and a soldier is always a soldier. Be he in army or not, his life is always of a soldier by body and soul. We have lot of hope from you. in this thread i hope that you will post an article daily so that other 'jat bhais' may be familier with your views to make our jat community greatest in the world. We have to start yet, and you can guide us.

Please dont forget to post an article daily. Do the needful.

I request to all of the members that they put there valuable views in this thread.

Regards

Sumnendu

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World Jat Maha Panchayat (edited)

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Dear all
HAPPY HOLI & HAPPY HINDU NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU.
This is our core group of grassroot workers.
We have to start from some where and charity starts from home.
So we have to start from our home & home village.
Some of us already started some welfare prog from our home village.
We can take lead & advice from them.
We have about 100 workers who are active in their chosen field to help other.
This is self help group. We are not asking any money from any one. This is a non-political net work.
The aim is to make self help network of grass root workers from village level to all over world.
Let us we all jats- Jatanis get united for a common noble cause to up lift our community.
We are not in competitain with any group or party.
All other like minded groups are welcome to co-operate & join.
UNITY OF WORLD JATS IS OUR MAIN AIM.

Major Rajender singh & others were planning this event from 2002. There was no WORLD ARYAN FOUNDATION THAT TIME IN PICTURE.
ALL OF US DISCUSSED THIS WORLD JAT GET TOGETHER OVER 15 months.
We all agreed that World JAT UNITY IS NEED OF THE HOUR.
Most of us were in GURGAON on 21 DEC 2003.
Those who could not attend sent their best wishes & support.
We agreed after 6 hours that we need a world jat organigation
called- WORLD JAT FOUNDATION because
WORLD ARYAN FOUNDATION NAME IS ALREADY in PICTURE.
SO now Aryan foundation got our name.
How can we bring jat unity ?
OUR AIM IS BRING ALL JAT MAHA SABHA OF THE WORLD UNDER ONE MAHA PANCHAYAT OF THE WORLD JATS.
YOUR VIEW & SUGGESTIONS ARE MOST WELCOME.
WITH BEST WISHES
DHARMPAL DUDEE
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DEAR ALL

We all know the problems
EDUCATION
JOBS
HEALTH
CRIME- LAW & ORDER
DOWRY
DRUGS
DARU
SIPKALI- FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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one or 2 conferences will not change the life of rural youths.
This will take many generations to work hard.
Journey is not started & long long way to go----------------------------------------------- Cheers
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Many thanks to Rajnish - Dr Jagdish Gahalawat and our brothers at World Aryan Jat Foundation.
Now our group at Jatland is official
WORLD JAT FOUNDATION.
Let get united- stand and count in our noble mission of service to WORLD JAT SAMAJ & HUMUNITY.
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Thank you very much for your interest & support in the noble cause of world Jats unity.
We are making a list of all world jats associations, Jats maha shabas- Trusts- Jats charities, and groups. Who are working for welfare of JAT SAMAJ- COMMUNITY ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Every body is welcome to make suggestion here.
Those who are felling shy to come in open are welcome to send the list of their JAT SABHA, Association, Orgs and groups by email to me.
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I have written few times here that We only
take in account the real All-India JATMAHASABHA WHICH WAS STARTED IN 1906 AT MUZAFFAR NAGAR UP BY CH SIR CHHOTTURAM.
I have life long family relation with that JAT SABHA. I will work all my life for UNITY OF JATS & MAKE THIS JATSABHA A REAL WORLD WIDE RESPECTABLE WORLD BODY OF ALL JATS OF THE WORLD.
I am also part of a team who have written MODEREN HISTORY OF JATS & ALL INDIA JAT MAHASABHA.
I have attended FRIST WORLD JAT CONFERENCE UNDER CAPT BHAGWAN SINGH EX- PRESIDENT OF ALL INDIA JAT MAHA SABHA AT KHAJJAWALA DELHI. I have written as a open letter to that world jat conference. THIS Mission statement was read as a message to Kaum also published in Indian press.
All these points- which we are discussing now on this site during last three years were covered.
The problems of Dowry. CRIME, EDUCATION. Employment were also discussed. But very little action was taken. We can see the result now.
Every body is free and has right to write mission/vision statement for eassy practice or business/ community service.
Important thing is do not make it a personal issue.
DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL INSULTING REMARKS.

We are talking or writing here for the sake of writing or time pass. A very few people are serious.
GOOD RUSULT WILL ONLY COME WITH GOOD JOINT ACTION.
This is my experience on this site and life also.

My suggestion is to reform the origanal ALL-INDIA JATMAHASABHA. MAKE THIS A WORLD JAT MAHASABHA & LINK ALL OUR JAT GROUPS/ ASSOCIATIONS TO THIS BODY.

ALL SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME.


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April 5th, 2004, 11:43 PM #7
Vimal Kumar
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: New Delhi (Birthplace:Muzaffarnagar)
Posts: 21 How can one become member of All India Jat Mahasabha? Is there a web site of this organization?


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Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 05, 2004

07:13 a.m.):
DEAR MEMBERS



I have written few times here that We only
take in account the real All-India JATMAHASABHA WHICH WAS STARTED IN 1906 AT MUZAFFAR NAGAR UP BY CH SIR CHHOTTURAM.
I have life long family relation with that JAT SABHA. I will work all my life for UNITY OF JATS & MAKE THIS JATSABHA A REAL WORLD WIDE RESPECTABLE WORLD BODY OF ALL JATS OF THE WORLD.
I am also part of a team who have written MODEREN HISTORY OF JATS & ALL INDIA JAT MAHASABHA.
I have attended FRIST WORLD JAT CONFERENCE UNDER CAPT BHAGWAN SINGH EX- PRESIDENT OF ALL INDIA JAT MAHA SABHA AT KHAJJAWALA DELHI. I have written as a open letter to that world jat conference. THIS Mission statement was read as a message to Kaum also published in Indian press.
All these points- which we are discussing now on this site during last three years were covered.
The problems of Dowry. CRIME, EDUCATION. Employment were also discussed. But very little action was taken. We can see the result now.
Every body is free and has right to write mission/vision statement for eassy practice or business/ community service.
Important thing is do not make it a personal issue.
DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL INSULTING REMARKS.

We are talking or writing here for the sake of writing or time pass. A very few people are serious.
GOOD RUSULT WILL ONLY COME WITH GOOD JOINT ACTION.
This is my experience on this site and life also.

My suggestion is to reform the origanal ALL-INDIA JATMAHASABHA. MAKE THIS A WORLD JAT MAHASABHA & LINK ALL OUR JAT GROUPS/ ASSOCIATIONS TO THIS BODY.

ALL SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME.


REGARDS
DHARMPAL

[rajeshrathee]

respected elders,

how u people r planning 2 keep political element,who only want their image and hold by becoming a part of these organisations, out of this proposed meet. I had in past witnessed many such events which were marred by ego clash and efforts to grab centre stage by these so called "Leaders".

Don't u think that an organisation like a NGO type should b started like our elders in abroad arrange to sent job work, medical transcription, call centres etc and we start that here where only JATS , even from rural set up b employed.

with regards
rajesh

[uday]

Good Idea........

respected elders,

Don't u think that an organisation like a NGO type should b started like our elders in abroad arrange to sent job work, medical transcription, call centres etc and we start that here where only JATS , even from rural set up b employed.

with regards
rajesh

[mukeshkumar007]

Thank you Mr. sejwallji. You have posted a very nice and interesting topic.

But before making any organization I would like to ask one thing to all of you that there are many JAT organizations in our society such as JAT MAHA SABA, JAT SABA so on so. One aim behind to organized these organizations that was to unite JAT society. But after a long journey all of these are organization could not take all the JAT under one flag. Why they could not be able to remove many evils from our society such as dowry system, MARTU BOJ, GUNGAT PARTHA so on so.
We should find out the reasons behind their failure before making any kind of organization.
I will put up my views after your ideas.
In my views by the individual revaluation we can make our society better then the organizational effort.

[rajeshrathee]

nothing can be done with empty stomach. Secondly there is hell of difference in the approach of an educated and uneducated person. I think a samaj can not be united unless and until the basic needs/necessaties are not fulfilled. Financial independence is the best way to make a person to think beyond his personal environment to things like jat samaj etc. Thats the reason why i think if v r able to make our samaj financially independent then only v can think of things like unity etc.

The reason behind the things that there are many jat associations is that most of these are initailly......................................... .......................i don't want to comment on it.
rajesh

[raj2rif]

Dear MR. Rajesh,

And how we do that?? Making Samaj Financial Independent.

The problem with most of us is, that we try and find more faults with things then to evaluate them analytically. Not that there is any thing wrong in finding faults in the things, but then one must suggest remedies as well.

I agree with you that nothing can be done with "Empty Stomach" so how do we fill the stomach? Getting the right price to our farmer brothers for their products could be one such thing and that is what I had suggested as one of the task these associations are to perform.

I am not for keeping these institutions as not for profit organizations also, because these associations can also function better if they themselves are financially independent. The political aspect also needs to be considered to fight your way through the system, which will oppose each and every noble step that we will take, for it will be detrimental to some one's interests.

It will be a nice idea to come out with some more suggestions. Just because some thing had not functioned or lost its way, does not mean that we discourage future generations to start some thing. Getting the new ideas of variety of subjects I guess is one of the purpose of community websites.

nothing can be done with empty stomach. Secondly there is hell of difference in the approach of an educated and uneducated person. I think a samaj can not be united unless and until the basic needs/necessaties are not fulfilled. Financial independence is the best way to make a person to think beyond his personal environment to things like jat samaj etc. Thats the reason why i think if v r able to make our samaj financially independent then only v can think of things like unity etc.

The reason behind the things that there are many jat associations is that most of these are initailly......................................... .......................i don't want to comment on it.
rajesh

[devdahiya]

my dear mukesh,sumnendu,COL virender SIR, Dharampal singh ji and rajendra jee,

TO ME YOU ALL SOUND WELL MEANING PEOPLE,WHO HAVE the JAZBA for jat kaum and that is what is most important.I am so sad to see this thought process ending abruptly.Problem is WHO WILL BELL THE CAT? AKELA CHANNA TO BHAADD NAHHIN PHODD SAKTA,PER HAAN THODDE BAHHUT IKKATTHHE HO KAR JAROOR YE KAAM KAR SAKTE HEIN. Issmmein sabse baddi samasyya mein jo dekh raha huun wo he....TO FIND ATLEAST 10 EDUCATED JATS WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALIFICATIONS:

1]THEY should be absolutely selfless.
2] THEY can spare 24 hours for this great cause[ Please dont say it is not possible,it is possible with a jazba and such complicated issues need sacrifice of some MORTALS]

3] This team should have a resolve of steel as they will face problems from within and outside and at times will be accused of selfish,interior motives from our brotherns only[kamjjor aadmmi ke bass ki baat nhin he ye]

4] They should serve the community with smile,even while they find the odds against them[They should talk less and act more]....BINNA WAZEH AUR KARRANN KE BEIJJATTI SEHNNE KE LIYE TEYYAR REHNA PDEGGA AR HANSSTE REHNNA PDEGGA.

5] start from a smaller area first with complete concentration for optimum results and let the people see for themselves and let it act as a catalyst.

6] They should not be hungry of appreciation and publicity....HUMILITY and FORBEARING attitude will do the trick.

7] Out of these 10,one should be the head and rest of them advisors[the word of the head should be a gospel's truth]...EGOS HAVE TO BE KEPT ASIDE.

8] They should be ready for a complete personal sacrifice for the OVERALL GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY and they should never seek rewards.

9] Setbacks should not de-motivate them[their determination should be an oath of god.

10] They should feel blessed if they are sacrificed for this great cause ANY TIME ENROUTE.....Illiteracy is the biggest drawback and this enemy has to be killed first...ROOT CAUSE OF ALL OTHER ILLS.



ANY MEMBER WITH THESE QUALIFICATIONS AND OFCOURSE WILLINGNESS CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE FORUM AND TO ME AND I WILL TRY SHOW THE WAY...........BECAUSE I AM READY WITH ALL 10 QUALIFICATIONS AND yes.....VERY WILLING TO SACRIFICE FOR THE CAUSE..............................ANY TAKERS......................................??????

[raj2rif]

Dear Mr. Sumendu Ji,

I will definitely try and do my best in whatever way I can help this movement. My sincere request to you would be, that if you want this organization to be a long lasting and politically viable force, then don't restrict it to one particular community. It may be easy to carry on with one community, but then it will never go and would be more controversial then acceptable. A larger perspective may be difficult to start with but will be more acceptable, long lasting and powerful. May be you don't name your publication as a monthly magzine for Jats. Maharaja Surajmal ruled every one in his kingdom, whether Jats or any one else. Kindly consider taking all along with your organization. This is my suggestion, kindly discuss it with your team and do let me know their views on it.