marathi and haryanvi

[vickypanwar]

Hi,

I stayed in maharashtra for nearly a decade. Having a flair to learn different languages, I learnt marathi too.

I found that many words in marathi are similar(some even same) to haryanvi. Few examples are gavadi(cow), bheent(wall), bhijna(to get wet), cha/chaha (tea), handna/hindna(to roam), alla/ola (wet).

I heard a theory behind this. It is related to the 3rd battle of panipat in which marathas fought Ahmed Shah Abdali. Some (many?) of the marathas stayed in the haryana region and either they picked up our language or we picked up parts of theirs. I don't remember clearly what the theory said.

Has anyone heard such a thing before or have any ideas about this?
Or is it just attributable to the common sanskrit base?

Thanks,
-Vikas

[navingulia]

i also have lot of interest in learning languages and studying cultures. what i ve seen is that languages all over india and world have common words because there definitely was some amount of interaction and then new tribes emerged from older ones. Then there were trade links too.
i will give you one example of how you say "How are you?" in different languages
Marathi----- Kasa Kaay
Gujrati------ Kem Chho
Konkani--- Kaso Asa
Hindi----- Kaise ho
Punjabi---- Kiddaan
Bengali---- Kaimon Achho
Assamese- Ki hol
Nepalese- Kaston Cha
Arabic----- Kaifal Haaluka
Visaya(phillipines)---- Kumusta Ka
Portugese-- Komista

Note the common 'K' in all of them.
i feel we can only make guesses as to which way they spread. Some can be correct too.
Yes, Marathas did fight in Panipat but there could be other interactions as well and then somewhere in history they will have a common ancestory.

[uday]

Dono sanskrit bhasa se moulded language hai..

Kuch or word hain like

Aadhey - > Ikhdey
Udhey --> Tikkdey


Aasli desi Maratha ( Gaon ke AADMI ) their rehna - khana is amost equal to we JAT people only.....( Pune -satara - sangli -kolhapur.. is area ki phelwan bhi mashoor hain) simple soch ke dekho.. un dino mai itnee door aa kar ( Panipat) en Gaddey ( Mohd's) gelya lath bajan koi mazak ki baat nahi thee..

Dol doltey varyavar bai mazhe dol doltey varyavar :) ;) :cool:

Maratha is almost warriors like JATS and is a great Kaum..I do respect their bravery and cultural heritage.

Hi,

I stayed in maharashtra for nearly a decade. Having a flair to learn different languages, I learnt marathi too.

I found that many words in marathi are similar(some even same) to haryanvi. Few examples are gavadi(cow), bheent(wall), bhijna(to get wet), cha/chaha (tea), handna/hindna(to roam), alla/ola (wet).

I heard a theory behind this. It is related to the 3rd battle of panipat in which marathas fought Ahmed Shah Abdali. Some (many?) of the marathas stayed in the haryana region and either they picked up our language or we picked up parts of theirs. I don't remember clearly what the theory said.

Has anyone heard such a thing before or have any ideas about this?
Or is it just attributable to the common sanskrit base?

Thanks,
-Vikas

[harvindermalik]

Bhai vikas tera sochana thik sai.....mai bhi kafi salo se es Similarity ko dekh rha hu....aur kai logo ko bta bhi chuka hu....aur example btata hu...
1. khandwe ka colour...(light pink..light green & blue etc...) haryane k bad Maaratha ka hi milega...jabki bich mai rajsthan aata hai jiski pagdi ka rand gadha hota hai...
2. dhoti Pagdi ( safa) bandhne ka style....same hai...upar turrra ar pachhai lamba chhodkai... Haryanavi Jat aur Marata ke siwa aur kita na sai...
3 Kusti as tradition....Rohtak (old) distric k bad kohlapur me hi hoti hai...even haryane ke pahlwan bhi kohlapur jate hai...
more then that...tast of desi humor....i can give u a example..jab Sita ram kesri nai sarkar geri to election hoe..... un dino Star news k pai ek program A day with BALA Sahab Thakre aa rya tha...wo maharashtre k gaam mai bhashan de rhe the khitai......thakre said.....ye sitaram PM banane ka sapna le rha hai...iski shakl to deho....subah dur se hagta hua dekho to ye pta chale ki GHUUU kounsa sai arrr muhhh kounsa hai..... eb estai faltu aur k samanta batau.............. le aur sun... haryana mai bhi power ki trimurti sai ( OM-AJAY-ABHAY) ar Maharasta mai bhi ( BALA SAHAB-UDAY-RAJ)...vaise thode dino pahle tk...iraq mai bhi iisi ho trimurti thi...
vaise ye such hai ki Panipat ki ladai k bad...kai gaam bse hai Maharastra mai jats k..nasik k paas... jahan ab bhi life stlyle aur cultural haryana jais ahi hai

[vickypanwar]

haan rehn-sahn to apne jisa-e sai inka bhi.
par sirf maratha ka (96 kuli et al.). Pune (jo ki bamhana tain famous hai) mein thoda aga culture hai.

On a slightly lighter track - it is said that if you go to a puneri's (resident of pune) house, instead of asking you for tea n all, he'd say "chay to aap pe ke hi aaye honge"...:-) this is typical of puneri bahmans.

Nasik main bhi kai saal reh ke dekhya..ude bhi apne kese log dekhe.
I heard "gavadi" (cow) in nasik for the first time. People in pune didn't know what it meant !

[uday]

In Marathi
gawdi = cow
Gaavti = desi murga

[bhagirath_syag]

I have some more marathi words which are similiar to ours.
Kanda- Oniion
Jiman- Lunch.
Pawane- Guest.

[uday]

One eatable thing which I liked most ( the style they prepare and serve ) " Marathi Burger With Fried Chillies "

[uday]

Everyone knows ' bout it...
While in Rome Do as the Romen's Do..

VADA PAV with talee hui Meerchh

One eatable thing which I liked the most is ( the style they prepare and serve ) " Marathi Burger With Fried Chillies "

[vinodkaliramna]

Bade bahiyon ko raam raam aur choton ko mera pyar... I am very pleased to see this site and I promise to contribute the maximum possibel as I think ima not alone now in trying to take the jaat community ahead and with the time. Friends let me tell u that I hail from a typical Jaat family .. my parents and everyone being farmers. My father being a farmer himself sent to south for education and because of his sincere efforts I have today being able to work as a Technical consultant in Wipro Technologies bangalore. I have seen the hardships that my parents bared to get me to this position. I am also commited to give any help required and that i can and also have full faith in all friends that if at all I need some , i can deemand rather than ask for a favour, just the way it happens in Jats.

Please write to me and I will definately reply to all the mails I get

my mail id is vinod.kumr@wipro.com

As I was going to through this coloumn abt the history of jaats and marathis .. Iam in agreement with the above said articles, as in bangalore I mingle only with them as they suit me well coz of simalrity in culture, customs and language.

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DESHAN MAIN DESH HARYANA....JADAE HAI DUDH DAHI KA KHANA...

[sktewatia]

<DL><DD>Similarity in haryanvi n marathi is due to common origin from indo-european languages. wherever these languages are spoken jat history can be traced there in near or distant past.</DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD>For other meanings see Indo-European (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_%28disambiguation%29) </DD></DL><TABLE class=toccolours style="CLEAR: right; FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0.5em 1em" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND: #ccf; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Indo-European</TH></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; PADDING-LEFT: 0em; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0.5em; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Indo-European languages</TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 80%; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Albanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language) | Anatolian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_languages) | Armenian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language)
Baltic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_languages) | Celtic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages) | Dacian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_language) | Germanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages)
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Slavic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_languages) | Thracian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_language) | Tocharian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharian_languages)</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; PADDING-LEFT: 0em; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0.5em; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Indo-European peoples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_people)</TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 80%; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Albanians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians) | Anatolians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolians) | Armenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians)
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The Indo-European languages comprise a family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family) of several hundred languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language) and dialects <SUP class=reference id=_ref-0>[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#_note-0)</SUP>, including most of the major languages of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), as well as many spoken in Southwest Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia), Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) and South Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia). Contemporary languages in this family with more than 100 million native speakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers) each include Hindi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi), Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language), English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), Portuguese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language), Bengali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language), Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language), French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language), German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language) and Punjabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language). Numerous national or minority languages with fewer than 100 million native speakers also exist. Indo-European has the largest numbers of speakers of the recognised families of languages in the world today, with its languages spoken by approximately 3 billion native speakers.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-1>[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#_note-1)</SUP> The Indo-Iranian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages) form the largest sub-branch of Indo-European.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-2>[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#_note-2)</SUP>