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rkumar
December 25th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Dear Friends,
As most of you must have noticed, every Tom Dickens, Harry is conducting opinion polls these days. There is one Swedish businessman who is conducting polls to decide Seven Wonders of the World and just other day BBC conducted a poll, which puts Jinnah well above Gandhi. Surprisingly Leaders like Nehru got zero votes in this BBC poll. This is a big scam going around where large number of people are made to take part in such polls. Casting one's vote by sms or by telephone costs money and SMS providers benefit with this exercise. I am sure the booty is divided between the SMS provider and the poll-conducting agency. Pardon my saying; fools take part in all these polls. One can easily find out who the fools have been in any of the polls.
I am sure there must be law to deal with this newly invented scam of international dimensions. Any legal brain among members who can shed some light over this?
Regards
Rajendra
raj2rif
December 26th, 2004, 04:56 AM
Dear Rajendra Ji,
I don't think conducting pool or surveys can be termed as illigal. Only thing if it is costing the money to the voter, then it is the voter who has to decide whether or not to take part in such pools.
Now the question of Mr. Jinnah getting more votes than Mr. Gandhi. That does not surprise me. For the simple reason, religeously there are more people for Mr. Jinnah than Mr. Gandhi. Mr. Nehru gettin Zero also does not surprise me. I guess if we conduct similar pools in India, Mr. Nehru is likely to get less points then many less prominent leaders. The reason is simple, Mr. Nehru ruled the nation and thus we know what mistakes he committed and what we now feel that he should have done then. The leaders who did not rule, are safe on that account and probably may walk away with more points.
Not withstanding that, I think there are more people who think that Mr. Nehru could have done better.
vinodkaliramna
December 26th, 2004, 07:52 AM
I am in total agreement with both the above made judgements. Yes definately the boty is shared by the SMS providers and the ISPs.
Yes even I had a similar mail and had the same opinion that no wonder Jinnah will be leading, as the number of muslim voters across the globe are more than the number of hindu voters and though Gandhi never had any kind of discrimination for Hindus or Muslims, the general thought that flows that Gandhi represented the Hindus and Jinnah the Muslims while the partion happened.
Though it was very suprising that Pt. Nehru not getting even a single vote !
Regards
vinod
adhanda
December 26th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Jinnah beating gandhi is no surprise to me, he was a better leader than gandhi. If we look at the history, muslim league fought for separate nation and finally they got it !!, jinaah motivated the muslims to fight against british and 'hindus' for this cause. What Ghandhi did was literally nothing. Our country is still not a developed nation because of the followers of gandhi/nehru ideology.
I voted for Bose, who really fought for indian independence and who was a true leader. Surprisingly, Patel didnt even figure out in the list, I have no doubt him being far superior a leader then nehru.
Gandhi never had any kind of discrimination for Hindus or Muslims, the general thought that flows that Gandhi represented the Hindus and Jinnah the Muslims while the partion happened.
Gandhi always took the side of Muslims. However, muslims dint pay any attention to him. We never had any 'Hindu' leader, otherwise India would have been a 'Hindu' nation.
Regards,
Abhishek
rkumar
December 26th, 2004, 03:05 PM
Dear Rajendra Ji,
I don't think conducting pool or surveys can be termed as illigal. Only thing if it is costing the money to the voter, then it is the voter who has to decide whether or not to take part in such pools.
I agree Thavathia Sahab, as of now this is not illegal and this is why so many agencies are using it to make money by exploiting the emotions of the unsuspecting people. Who gives rights to such agencies to conduct polls? Why is that a Swedish businessman has to reinvent the wheel of seven wonders? Why seven wonders list should not be decided by the very agency that decided it in the first place? Who authorised BBC to conduct the polls on South Asian great leaders?
In my view this is nothing but an intelligent ploy to defraud the people by exploiting their sentiments and we should not bother about the outcome of such useless polls. Moreover, only those who can pay can vote. Poor people's opinion has no value in such polls. I have started wondering if national polls will also be handed over to such agencies in future and one will have to elect their national leaders by sending sms and making payments for sms?
Rajendra
mukeshkumar007
December 26th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Jinnah beating gandhi is no surprise to me, he was a better leader than gandhi. If we look at the history, muslim league fought for separate nation and finally they got it !!, jinaah motivated the muslims to fight against british and 'hindus' for this cause. What Ghandhi did was literally nothing. Our country is still not a developed nation because of the followers of gandhi/nehru ideology.
I voted for Bose, who really fought for indian independence and who was a true leader. Surprisingly, Patel didnt even figure out in the list, I have no doubt him being far superior a leader then nehru.
Gandhi always took the side of Muslims. However, muslims dint pay any attention to him. We never had any 'Hindu' leader, otherwise India would have been a 'Hindu' nation.
Regards,
Abhishek
Dear Abhishek,
I am not agree with you.
Gandiji was not taking the side of muslim but in reality he was supporting to Akhand Bharat. That is why he was supporting to all the hindustani(including muslim).
First of all I would like to put up my views about the jinha success to get the pakistan. At the time of 1942 when gandiji was planing for the BHARAT CHORO movement. That time jinha was demanding for pakistan and motivating to the muslims against hindus. When BHARAT CHORO movement was started then british governmet was also started its DAMAN CHAKRA therefore most of the congressman was arrested. No one single congress leader was free. Then Jinha found an open field to increase his activities because there was no one to protest his statement and activity. If against a statement you have not found a single protest then whatever you told would be consider true. So same thing was happened that time. Most of big leaders were in custody and some were underground. That is why jinha could motivate the felling of muslim people and he achieved his target.
To motivate and arouse the people for a bad act is easier then for goodness.
Second you have written that if we were not follow to the Gandiji then we could declared our nation as a Hindu Nation. Gandiji was the first person in Indian History of British Empire who went against the British Empire and could brought the people under one flag. That time no one single soul could dare to go against the British Empire. But gandiji did it.
You have written that our country is still undeveloped because of the followers of Gandiji/Nehru ideology. But dear tell me what we may be achieved if you follow the path of BOSE. No dought bose is a good and patriot leader but in his path there were many faults. If we were follow these paths then we could not got independence because of the unawake up peoples of India.
As far as the matter of Hindu Nation I think we are happy in Secular India, we have no need for any religious nation. Hindu nation may bring more difficulties to us.
raj2rif
December 26th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Dear Rajendra Ji,
Firstly it is the question of civil liberties. These companies do not require any one's permission to conduct pools. If that be the way of making money then nothing wrong in it. That is better than taking bribe or committing a robbery or theft.
Now, if the status of seven wonders to be kept as was first decided by an agency, that seems a little monopolitic. We have people coming out with better products to replace the old product. If we continue to stay with what ever was first invented and do not improve upon it, that probably may not be the right thing. The fact that so many people have participated in those polls, shows its acceptance and mine and your views may not even matter.
Dear Abhishek,
Mukesh has brought out certain points. Probably if some one had asked me to vote, I may have voted for Mr. Bose as well. But that does not take away the credit from Mr. Gandhi what he did for our nation. Today, the majority of so called intellectuals, who criticize the governments on each account and condemn each leader, don't even take trouble to go and vote. Mr. Gandhi was a barrister and from a rich family. He could have lived his life very happily and made some more money for him and his family. How many of us can leave what he had and get into the path he followed? It is easy to criticize those leaders today, but try and go back in time create those circumstances and then analyze. Probably most of us would lend up taking same decisions.
Now the questions, of we being still the undeveloped or underdevoloped nation today because of Mr. Gandhi. Look Gandhi did not live enough to influence any thing after independence. Again, if that be so, what is Pakistan today as compared to India? And does that make Jinnah a better leader. He atleast ruled the country for some time and made decisions which are still existing.
As I said, in my earlier post, that I am not surprised about Nehru not getting even a single point. That has nothing to do with his competence, as most of the voters know about him what has been told and what has been read by them like any other leader. Probably his family's continuity in power may be a factor leading to his unpopularity. But he was very popular worldwide in his time. I however would not have voted for him either as he had the opportunity to do better than what he did. He had unchallanged power for almost 17 years and could have done much better. He ignored one of the most important aspect of Nation building "Education". He also ignored Defense an probably did not give as much attention to agriculture as should have been given. We don't know if Patel or Bose would have done better?
sphougat
December 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Nobody have a measurement, who was right and who was wrong. But I would say, they tried as per situation prevailing at that point of time and their intelligency. Why should we or somebody else should compare a history. Today, we should compare what is happening in Iraq and why people are detained in Cuba jail. If they are terrorist, bring them into justice, if they are innocent free them. This is totally violation of human rights. I would recommend if you haven't seen "Sword of Tipu Sultan", watch it as soon as possible. These people want to create such kind of atmosphere that people will start fighting. Divide and rule. I would say, people from Asian community make live demonstration for Bhai Chara in BBC area and teach them a lession. Tell them why you are not conducting a poll regarding Iraq and people detained in Cuba.
mbamal
December 26th, 2004, 09:39 PM
The result of that BBC poll has no validity as such. Just few hours before the close, gandhi had well over 50% of votes and netaji bose had 25% with jinnah at 18%. It was only during the last couple of hours that around 70-80000 votes were polled for jinnah. Since the voting system wasnt foolproof some guy must have polled multiple votes. So we shouldnt read too much into it.
mukeshkumar007
December 28th, 2004, 11:38 AM
I however would not have voted for him either as he had the opportunity to do better than what he did. He had unchallanged power for almost 17 years and could have done much better.
unclji some times if a person has not found any kind of competition and the protest of opposition against whatever he is doing then he may think that he is doing well that is why he is not facing any kind of protest.
same thing also may be happened with nehruji.
By the way i agree with you that nehru could do better then what he did.