India to Import Sugar - Anti-farmer Sugar Policy?

[rkumar]

Dear Friends,

Sugar policy of India has always been anti farmers. On the one hand poor farmers are not paid their dues for more than a year and on the other hand now government of India is importing sugar to keep the prices low. Here is the latest;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1203441,0002.htm

Being from Sugar belt, I know the plight of farmers, most of whom are marginal. Sugarcane being the main cash crop and untimely payments from sugar factories, condition of most farmers is very bad. They can barely pay the fees of their children. I know many of them even can not afford even basic warm cloths for their kids. Our so called farmer leaders do nothing and I am sure most are sold out to trade and industry. Is there GOD somewhere who has been named DEEN Bandhu by men? Why so much injustice to poor farmers? Isn't it high time to revolt and bring Delhi Government on its knees?

RK^2

[devdahiya]

DEAR RAJENDRA JI,

Let it not be a revolt but create a strong pressure group,which deals with the issue at political level.On the other hand peaceful aggitations and dharnas should be organised to bring the govt on her knees. my opinion this.............??



REGARDS

[chhoraharyanada]

Dear Friends,

Sugar policy of India has always been anti farmers. On the one hand poor farmers are not paid their dues for more than a year and on the other hand now government of India is importing sugar to keep the prices low. Here is the latest;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1203441,0002.htm

Being from Sugar belt, I know the plight of farmers, most of whom are marginal. Sugarcane being the main cash crop and untimely payments from sugar factories, condition of most farmers is very bad. They can barely pay the fees of their childern. I know many of them even can not afford even basic warm cloths for their kids. Our so called farmer leaders do nothing and I am sure most are sold out to trade and industry. Is there GOD some where who has been named DEEN Bandhu by men ? Why so much injustice to poor farmers ? Isn't it high time to revolt and bring DElhi Goverment on its knees ?

RK^2

Congress is very anti-Jat. History proves this.
Whats surprising is that with the Commies of west bengal (surjeet,yechury and co.) being an instrumental part of this UPA Gov't that this decision is going ahead! So much for their policies! A real shocker!

And 'stalwarts' like Ch. Ajit Singh need kicks on their buttocks because it is the people in his constituency that will be affected.

I am getting increasingly disillusioned with mainstream politics and even our so-called Jat leaders.

Regards and RAM RAM.

[ramksehrawat]

It is a pity that the Government with 'Human Face' and 'friend of farmers' is not ready to give to the farmers their due by paying them reasonable price for their produce. Instead, the government is importing petrol at almost the double of the price what it was a year back and financing a huge subsidy. What a "human face" and "friendship with farmers" !!

[anilkc]

Can someone highlight what govt policy is anti-farmer and how it is hurting the farmers? Is MSP (min support price) a good policy ? or, is it the lack of proper infrastructure and corruption which is harming the farmers?

[rkumar]

Can someone highlight what govt policy is anti-farmer and how it is hurting the farmers? Is MSP (min support price) a good policy ? or, is it the lack of proper infrastructure and corruption which is harming the farmers?

Making Sugar is still controlled in India and there are historical reasons for this. Some how sugar has been kept of of the food chain if one talks of food processing in general. If Sugar industry is decontolled like any other food industry, there are endless opportunities for farmers right from sugar, sugar refining, molecess, alcohol etc..However, there are very tight controls to benefit only few. Cooperative sugar factories are full of political appointees who loot them day in and day out.

RK^2

[danarambeerda]

Congress is very anti-Jat. History proves this.Whats surprising is that with the Commies of west bengal (surjeet,yechury and co.) being an instrumental part of this UPA Gov't that this decision is going ahead! So much for their policies! A real shocker!

And 'stalwarts' like Ch. Ajit Singh need kicks on their buttocks because it is the people in his constituency that will be affected.

I am getting increasingly disillusioned with mainstream politics and even our so-called Jat leaders.

Regards and RAM RAM.


You said congress is very anti Jat. History proves this.

Let me ask you guys a question If Jat is not with Jat then who else you expact to be with jat ?

regards

[raj2rif]

The Farmers not getting their price from the cooperatives and suger mills is absolutely right. But the problem is if you privatize these mills who get them. Certainly our farmers and Jats are not in a position to buy them. As far as management of these cooperatives are concerned they are definitly managed by some of the most corrupt people and majority of them happen to be Jats themselves.

The problem with sugercane industry is that raw sugercane can't be stored for a longer period. The solution would be to initiate a cooperative bank by those who have the power to start such a bank, and buy out farmers products/buy out those mills/establish suphur/suger plants in the region. Let the farmers control the suger. Let me assure you the first objection will come from the community people only who have made good money by being in cooperative societies administrations.

The problem is difficult. I really don't know the exact solution, but some thing definitely can be done. The first thing and the least community can do is to ask self claimed farmer leaders Ajit Singh and Mulayam Singh as to why are they not objecting to it and what are they doing to protect the interests of farmers? May be Ajit Singh's Harit Pradesh philosophy may help us.

[anilkc]

u r right Rajendra ji. Govt control not only stiffles progress but also leads to corruption and skews the conomy. For example, suppose the msp for a food grain is rs 100. In theory it sounds good that a farmer is gauranteed Rs100 income. But in practice what happens is that farmer has to sell it to a middleman for rs 50 and that middleman then sells it to govt for rs 100, making a neat profit of rs 50. Farmers should be exposed to economic principle like any other trader and be allowed to sell in any market at the best price. In theory no income tax for farmers looks great, but Mr Sharad Joshi ( i hope i got his name right, a farmer leader in Maharashtra) showed that a farmer actually pays more taxes than the salaried class. But the farmers just dont get it, bcos they dont understand the economics/finance bcos they are mostly un(der)educated. So, the root cause of all the problem is education.

[rkumar]

Most members might be knowing of Dandi march my Gandhi ji when he broke the salt law by making salt from sea water. British wanted to bring Salt industry under government control and whole nation opposed it under Gandhi's leadership. Sugar extraction is no different than salt. Funny part is that Gud is allowed to be extracted freely, but not the sugar or alcohol. Why its that alcohol can not be produced at small level like perfumes and Mentha oil extracted in parts of UP? Farmers have to have the freedom to process their produce..

Rajendra

[devdahiya]

Dear all,

The problem being disscussed is not a new one and any amount of "on the paper solutions' are not going to move a fry.Ch charan singh,an ECONOMIST in his own right and a person connected to all sections of the society[respected and with a mass followings] could not fight the MAFIA connected with SUGAR business and thus had to advise the peasentry to shift to other crops,which are more productive and less laboursome.....NOTHING HAPPENED. OUR PEOPLE DONT ASSERT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY and leave things for HANUMAN to take care.To break the neck of the sugar lobby,we need total commitment of people in high places and co-operation of all farmers,which always seems a distant dream.I am sure that in prevailing conditions GANDHI JI COULD HAVE FAILED AND COULD HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE..............AHINSA,TRUTHFULNESS and SHANTI are the VIRTUES of GANDHI ERA.

UNITED WE STAND...............DIVIDED WE FALL

[anilkc]

...and leave things for HANUMAN to take care.


u got it right!
everyone is waiting for a RAM and a HANUMAN.

[chhoraharyanada]

Congress is very anti-Jat, anti-OBC. History proves this.Whats surprising is that with the Commies of west bengal (surjeet,yechury and co.) being an instrumental part of this UPA Gov't that this decision is going ahead! So much for their policies! A real shocker!

And 'stalwarts' like Ch. Ajit Singh need kicks on their buttocks because it is the people in his constituency that will be affected.

I am getting increasingly disillusioned with mainstream politics and even our so-called Jat leaders.

Regards and RAM RAM.


You said congress is very anti Jat. History proves this.

Let me ask you guys a question If Jat is not with Jat then who else you expact to be with jat ?

regards[/QUOTE]

Dana Ram Ji,

Ram Ram!

My point is this - since the days of Gandhi/Nehru, Congress has only ever had to appeal to certain vote banks.
After Gandhi's assassination, RSS were banned, Hindu Mahasabha ostracized etc.
Congress kept using their tried-and-tested formula of appealing to Dwijas,Harijans,Adivasis & Muslims.

With no real opposition from the "hindu" parties - then, No need for Jat votes, Yadav votes etc etc.

And you can look this fact up - first Jat and first OBC cabinet Ministers took office in 1978 under Morarji Desai. For 30 years, the Congress monopoly totally ignored us.

Regards and RAM RAM,

[birbal]

My point is this - since the days of Gandhi/Nehru, Congress has only ever had to appeal to certain vote banks.
After Gandhi's assassination, RSS were banned, Hindu Mahasabha ostracized etc.
Congress kept using their tried-and-tested formula of appealing to Dwijas,Harijans,Adivasis & Muslims.

With no real opposition from the "hindu" parties - then, No need for Jat votes, Yadav votes etc etc.

And you can look this fact up - first Jat and first OBC cabinet Ministers took office in 1978 under Morarji Desai. For 30 years, the Congress monopoly totally ignored us.

Regards and RAM RAM,[/QUOTE]

Ramandeep,

The greatest progress made by The Jat community in Rajasthan (for which I can speak with authority) was in the 30 years (1947-1977) before Morarji Desai became Prime Minister. BJP is the worst anti-Jat party in India, but it is supported by some traitors in the Jat community. If you want to see the real example of anti-farmer policies, go to Rajasthan where the BJP govt spent 5 lacs Rupees on Pooja and shot to death 8 farmers in Gharsana, and arrested all Jat leaders and put them up in Jails far far away from their area.

[chhoraharyanada]

Ramandeep,

The greatest progress made by The Jat community in Rajasthan (for which I can speak with authority) was in the 30 years (1947-1977) before Morarji Desai became Prime Minister. BJP is the worst anti-Jat party in India, but it is supported by some traitors in the Jat community. If you want to see the real example of anti-farmer policies, go to Rajasthan where the BJP govt spent 5 lacs Rupees on Pooja and shot to death 8 farmers in Gharsana, and arrested all Jat leaders and put them up in Jails far far away from their area.

Dr Birbal Singh Ji,

OK, agreed BJP is anti-Jat/anti-OBC party.

But, we are talking specifically of the Congress party here.

Acha, Rajasthan le lo. What about Punjab? Haryana? Uttar Pradesh?

The one thing done by the Congress party in those 30 years was abolishing the Zamindari system, and even that, wasnt specifically aimed at any one community.

And with regards to UP, (I'm sure the likes of Kalkhunde Ji & Col Tavatia Ji will be higher authorities), what about the way the Congress activists behaved around the time of the Mandal commission? And even before that when Ram Naresh Yadav was CM?
BJP might be a right-wing brahmin-bania party, but Congress is no different! sorry to say, sir!

Regards and RAM RAM,

[devdahiya]

My point is this - since the days of Gandhi/Nehru, Congress has only ever had to appeal to certain vote banks.
After Gandhi's assassination, RSS were banned, Hindu Mahasabha ostracized etc.
Congress kept using their tried-and-tested formula of appealing to Dwijas,Harijans,Adivasis & Muslims.

With no real opposition from the "hindu" parties - then, No need for Jat votes, Yadav votes etc etc.

And you can look this fact up - first Jat and first OBC cabinet Ministers took office in 1978 under Morarji Desai. For 30 years, the Congress monopoly totally ignored us.

Regards and RAM RAM,

Ramandeep,

The greatest progress made by The Jat community in Rajasthan (for which I can speak with authority) was in the 30 years (1947-1977) before Morarji Desai became Prime Minister. BJP is the worst anti-Jat party in India, but it is supported by some traitors in the Jat community. If you want to see the real example of anti-farmer policies, go to Rajasthan where the BJP govt spent 5 lacs Rupees on Pooja and shot to death 8 farmers in Gharsana, and arrested all Jat leaders and put them up in Jails far far away from their area.[/QUOTE]

MY DEAR Dr BIRBAL JI,

What do you mean by the said statement? it is totally out of context. This i take it as a misinformation as well. Why are we talking for the hack of it.If we are out of ideas,concerning the issue in question then might as well close the topic.

[danarambeerda]

Dr Birbal Singh Ji,

OK, agreed BJP is anti-Jat/anti-OBC party.

But, we are talking specifically of the Congress party here.

Acha, Rajasthan le lo. What about Punjab? Haryana? Uttar Pradesh?

The one thing done by the Congress party in those 30 years was abolishing the Zamindari system, and even that, wasnt specifically aimed at any one community.

And with regards to UP, (I'm sure the likes of Kalkhunde Ji & Col Tavatia Ji will be higher authorities), what about the way the Congress activists behaved around the time of the Mandal commission? And even before that when Ram Naresh Yadav was CM?
BJP might be a right-wing brahmin-bania party, but Congress is no different! sorry to say, sir!

Regards and RAM RAM,



It seems like Raman Deep ji himself is anti-congress & is pure RSS & BJP Bhakt.
Because he never been in state like Rajasthan where Bharon singh has ruined out all jats. its shameful to say that still some jat "RSS & BJP KA POONCHH PAKAD RAKKHA HAI.

REGARDS

[mukeshkumar007]

Ramandeep,

The greatest progress made by The Jat community in Rajasthan (for which I can speak with authority) was in the 30 years (1947-1977) before Morarji Desai became Prime Minister. BJP is the worst anti-Jat party in India, but it is supported by some traitors in the Jat community. If you want to see the real example of anti-farmer policies, go to Rajasthan where the BJP govt spent 5 lacs Rupees on Pooja and shot to death 8 farmers in Gharsana, and arrested all Jat leaders and put them up in Jails far far away from their area.

I 100% aggree with you mr. birbalji. I am unable to understand that what bjp government want to prove by his nonsense activity at rajasthan. one side government says that we take all the community togethere and other side it is busy in his bajan kirtan. so i think bjp is really anti jat and farmer.

[mukeshkumar007]

now please don't start a comparison between two political parties because some one may support to one and some one to other. And it may disturb the cheerful enviornment of this site.
to choose which party is best election is the best platform.
it is my heartly request to all of you.

[rkumar]

My personal views are that every party has been insensitive to the problems of farmers in India. By comparison British did more in terms of creating infrastructure like canals etc, though partly for their own interest. As of now farmers get electricity for 4-6 hours a day for their tubewells. Compared to cities, the investment in rural infrastructure is hardly there. If one does calculations, the per capita investment in rural India won't be more than Rs. 20-50 per year. First of all, because of small land holdings, most of the farmers do not have lots of surplus to sell and whatever they have, does not fatch reasonable and timely price. In olden days 10 kg of wheat was enough to pay for the hair-cuts of entire family for whole year. Another 10-15 Kg was enough for washing by Dhobi and so on. On the one hand all services have become market driven, whereas on the other hand farmers are being subjected to dirty politics by every possible political party or trade organisation on the Earth. Matter of fact is that its not only the Indian farmers who are exploited. The problem is universal.

Rajendra

[chhoraharyanada]

It seems like Raman Deep ji himself is anti-congress & is pure RSS & BJP Bhakt.
Because he never been in state like Rajasthan where Bharon singh has ruined out all jats. its shameful to say that still some jat "RSS & BJP KA POONCHH PAKAD RAKKHA HAI.

REGARDS

Tho jo bhi congress ko criticize kare yaa gaali deh, voh RSS ka agent hoga?

Ok ... whatever u say!

Regards and RAM RAM,

[rohittewatia]

All these parties Congress, BJP & others have no such permanent feelings against anyone. They views depend on the vote bank and other issues.
And, what should we expect from other people when our people like chautala, bhajanlal n Bansilal committed treachery against the Jats. We will still be slaves even after the britishers left more than 50 years ago. I found an interesting article related to these politicians.

http://www.peoplesmarch.com/archives/2002/july2k2/upsurge.htm

[ramksehrawat]

No party repeat no party is pro or anti any particular caste. Instead every party, national or regional, is anti-poor and pro-rich because they get fat bribes from rich. It is because of rich the parties exist and not because of poor. What poor can give.? Only votes. Where the vote will go ? To other party? No problem. They are also politico brothers, after all !! They are all anti-poor because if they turn pro-poor, they will have to spend the money on them allocated for their upliftment, which is substantial. Hence, it is convenient for them to be anti-poor so that they could usurp the money by creating fake bills/receipts. All parties are pro-poor in preparing pro-poor budget and are generous in allocating funds for poor which is easy to pocket. When they say 5 lakh dwelling units will be built under Indira Awaas Yojna, they are right and files prove them so. However, not even a single brick is given to the poor. Almost every MP has an NGO which (only on paper) gets substantial aid from the Ministry of Social Empowerment and international agencies for social upliftment, whereas the society is going to dogs. India got billions of rupees for Latur, Chamauli and Gujarat. All those affected had to spend their own money to get a roof over their heads. Where is the money ? If the leaders, irrespective party labels, start working for the upliftment of poor, how they will remain rich and contest the subsequent elections. Those who claim that any particular party is pro-jat or anti-jats are only mentalsental (sorry, sentimental). If someone says so and so cross-section of society made progress under so and so party, he is totally wrong. Whatever progress has been made is not because of any Government but only because of individual efforts. Dr. Birbal Singhji's rise to these heights cannot be attributed to any political party but because of his sheer hard work and brilliance. Otherwise if not all at least some of the jats from Rajasthan would have been his neighbours in Canada !!! Can someone tell which cross-section of society progressed owing to their loyalty to a particular party ? Tagore had rightly said "ekla chalo re..." and those who did ekla chalo progressed, those who looked towards these dhotiwalas for their betterment, perished. Bihar is the example. Majority of Bengalis are communists, what happned ?

[raj2rif]

In politics, there are neither permanent friends nor permanent enemies. It is only permanent interests that a political party/ politician looks at. Similar is the situation in International relations. To say, BJP, Congress, or any other party is going to be pro Jats would not be a right statement. I had mentioned earlier also, that we the Jats alone can't rule any thing, for we don't have enough majority to do that. We lack sheer numbers. Where we do hold upperhand in numbers we do get divided very easily.

The thread was based on problem the farmers are facing in suger rich belt of Western UP.

Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav was the most trusted person of Ch. Charan Singh. He has been the CM of UP now for number of times during past decades. During his earlier election after demolition of Babri Masjid he announced in his manifesto that he will make Copying in Exams legal. We the Jats did vote for him at that time. Not even a single Jat came out and told Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav to ensure that the farmers pending payments should be given the moment he came to power. Mulayam did declare on the first day of his victory to fullfill his promise to students.

We can keep blaming BJP, Congress, Bhairon Singh, Bhajan Lal and Chautala, what about our own vision? We need to help ourselves. We need to run a lower level door to door campaign to get these politicians out of power. We do need to educate our village folks not to get carried away election times declarations.

We also need to make our community more acceptable to people. We can only do that if we don't hate other communities and do try and take them with us while uniting our own community simultaneously.

[devdahiya]

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RAM-RAM

[rohittewatia]

Khuddi ko kar bulland ittna.........ke khoodda bandde se khood puchhe...................batta bhai," GANNE KA KYA RATE RAKHOON."




RAM-RAM

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