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anujkumar
February 4th, 2005, 03:14 AM
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http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/feb/04swami.htm

As then, almost everyone from the community of intelligentsia, students and professionals ganged up against the Union human resources development minister slamming his 'high-handed' behaviour, which would 'dilute' the standards of the IIMs.

Indian politics often resembles the tales from the rich Hindu mythology of the constant tug of war between the Devas and Asuras. Without getting into the minefield of who are the Devas and who the Asuras, one can palpably see that Dr Joshi's successor is in a hurry to set things as they were before. So much for Yin and Yang.

Joshi's decision to cut the fees of the IIMs was based on one of the recommendations listed out in a comprehensive report -- Revitalising Technical Education -- prepared by a committee headed by noted space scientist Dr U R Rao. The five-member committee was set up by the ministry in November 2002 to evaluate and carry out a performance review of the All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE).



An interview every student must read!

The dust kicked up by the brouhaha over fee cuts effectively obscured the rest of the report, at least those portions that were leaked to the media. The report as yet has not been made public by the government.

The minister had defended the fee cut at that time saying it would make higher education more accessible and break the stranglehold of the English-speaking, city-bred elite. The detractors said it would dilute the quality of the IIMs, making them no different from the countless education shops.

India is the second fastest growing economy in the world today. At a most basic understanding, an economy grows when goods -- agricultural and industrial -- are produced and bought and/or when the service industries are growing phenomenally. In India's case both sectors are performing very well.

For an economy to function to its optimum capacity, a trained workforce is essential. More so in India's case where the services sector has become a force to reckon with. A turbo-charged BPO, IT and ITES sector requires people who are English-speaking and have reasonable to good coding skills.

While a rapid explosion of such industries, requiring specific skill sets, have generated employment, it has led to a situation where education shops have cropped up imparting skills without imparting knowledge. It is akin to an automobile company importing Completely Knocked Down (CKD) kits and assembling them here. The workers of the automobile company know how to screw the nuts and bolts, but have no knowledge about the technology that goes into making a world-class car.

Revitalising Technical Education says that two decades ago, there were less than 300 engineering institutions in India. Now, there are more than 1,200. Similarly MBA institutes have mushroomed to about 900, with an intake of about 60,000 students. The alarming part about the mushrooming of engineering institutes is that almost 970 of them are self-financing institutions and are not even accredited to the AICTE!

The AICTE has a regulation that a teacher-student ratio must be 1:15. Moreover, it adds that the ratio of professors to associate professors to lecturers should be 1:2:4. Not surprisingly, majority of the 1,200 engineering institutes do not follow these ratios.

So while there are a handful of IITs and IIMs producing entrepreneurs, original thinkers and job creators, there are countless other institutions ostensibly offering similar education, but churning out conveyer belt coders. As an aside, off the cuff how many schemes can you think of that have been designed to help entrepreneurs. I, for one, can't recall any. Germany, in contrast, has 6,000 technology business incubators. China -- we always get riled when compared with our Asian neighbour -- has 4,000 such incubators.

Given these facts, then there is question that needs to be answered? Is China actually benefiting from missing the BPO bus? And does India need to rethink its involvement with low-end BPO operations, especially the back-office variety?

In an interview, U R Rao admitted that if norms were to be implemented strictly the faculty requirement would be in the range of 30,000 professors just for the engineering institutions. Compare the requirement with this shocker of a figure. India produces only 375 PhDs a year across all disciplines!

Anyone who has visited one of those private computer institutes will surely know how the gap in faculty requirement is filled. While one can proudly say that India produces 350,000 engineers every year, can one be proud of the quality of each one of them? I am not so sure.

So what is the solution? The solution is twofold. One part of the solution has already been put forward in the report and one doesn't need rocket science to figure it out. It involves implementing regulations thoroughly, getting institutions to take accreditations seriously, tightening the accreditation procedure, tightening recruitment procedure of faculty members, reducing the intake of students, discouraging self-financing institutions, doing away with the concept of deemed university, increasing spending on higher education and research and increasing interaction between the academic world and the industry.

The second part of the solution is slightly more complex and has not been suggested in the report. Let us face it. The BPO, IT and ITES industries are here to stay. Since these industries are providing employment, it is logical for several institutions to train people in specific skill sets required for those industries.

But the challenge is to keep the Indian knowledge pool competitive. Our higher educational system, which has been good, has till now managed to produce high-quality engineers, biotechnologists and social scientists, who have come up with original work and research. The rapid growth of 'just skills' education is eroding our knowledge base.

The key to maintaining and enhancing our knowledge base is to -- borrowing a tech terminology -- declare certain institutions as 'cutting edge institutions'. These institutions should be spread across disciplines, unlike the current emphasis on applied science.

To explain this concept clearly, let us take the example of Jawaharlal Nehru University, considered the country's premier institution for research in social sciences. For long, JNU was the fount of knowledge creation in social sciences. The academics, research scholars and students could hold their own in the world stage. In short, they were part of the global knowledge creation process.

The twin impact of globalisation -- retreat of the state on one hand and creation of new and highly paying jobs on the other -- meant that funds to JNU dried up, while students who joined ostensibly to do research flew off to greener pastures. According to one former JNU proctor, the conversion rate of students doing masters to higher degree fell by over 40 per cent in period 1990 to 2000.

What such a decline has led to is the diminishing Indian presence in the global knowledge creation process. What an editor in a prominent publishing house told this columnist will reveal the extent of this reduction. In the last decade the number of Indian authors publishing social sciences books have dropped by over 20 per cent, while the number of proposals for publishing social sciences guidebooks have increased by 35 per cent.

What is even more alarming than the decline in the number of original Indian authors is the fact that the majority of those Indian authors who publish original work are not even based in India!

What is true of JNU, is also to a large extent true of the IITs and IIMs. The Indian government should evolve a policy on declaring certain institutions 'cutting edge'. Such a branding, quite obviously, will come with financial rewards in terms of greater funding, exchange programmes of scholars, quality research products, tie-ups with foreign institutions and better infrastructure.

The entry into such institutions, whether of research faculty or students, should involve the crossing of multiple barriers and only the very best should get into it. Very best, of course, means the absence of quotas of any kind and a whetting process that weeds out those not interested in conducting research. Like the Armed Forces Medical College, people entering the 'cutting edge institution' may be asked to sign a bond. Entry into a 'cutting edge institution' should also mean a guarantee of tenure. For instance, a research student should have the path to move up the ladder and get international exposure.

It is evident that the government alone can't generate enough money to propel these 'cutting edge institutions' forward. This is where a far-sighted corporate sector can contribute. The Indian corporate sector has shown signs of maturity. By being equal partners in knowledge creation, they can show the rest of the world that they have finally come of age.

Such an approach is essential if India is to maintain the knowledge base that it has painfully created over the last five decades. This approach will also allow India to once again begin contributing in a systematic way to the global knowledge creation process and eventually establish its hegemony.

If such an approach is adopted, by 2050 India will be a Knowledge Superpower. Let us not become the back office of the world and revel in epitaphs like Information Superpower.

French philosopher Michel Foucault said it in a different context. But what he said still holds true. Knowledge is power.

devdahiya
February 4th, 2005, 06:08 AM
My dear Anuj,

You brought it out correctly but for all this to be a reality, first and formost requirement is a need for NATIONAL CHARACTER and pride,which i see missing.Things are badly handled and there is corruption everywhere."I"seem important than "WE".........Then is the problem of BRAIN-DRAIN.......anyone worth his/her salt once finds his/her way to a distant land does not bother what goes on here in India. So solution to the problem is not so easy.

rkumar
February 4th, 2005, 01:44 PM
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...but have no knowledge about the technology that goes into making a world-class car.

Answer: What is wrong with so called education shops? Can these so called quality education shops cater to the needs of India ? Will average Indian have to wait all his life for some one to set-up a quality education shop ? In my view there is nothing wrong with education shops opening up in ares where no one is investing into so called quality education. We need managers and skilled people at everylevel right from those who are as good as anyone in world and those who can cater to very basic local needs. Talking of quality education is often used as a weapon to deny even the basic education to poor people. .................................................. ...................
The alarming part about the mushrooming of engineering institutes is that almost 970 of them are self-financing institutions and are not even accredited to the AICTE!

Answer: I know from my personal expeience how accredition is obtained in India. Most of the time its greesing the palms of some one in authority. High sums of money are involved in the whole process. All this leads to passing on the costs to students and thereby once again keeping the qualified [poor students out of loop.
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The AICTE has a regulation that a teacher-student ratio must be 1:15.
Answer: Its great to talk of ratios in every field starting from colleges to medicine. Did anyone try to find out if we can ever motivate the doctors or teachers to serve in institutions in rural India? If not, then what right authorities have to talk of ratios? Some thing is better than nothing for poor people...I would even subcribe to one teacher institutions in deep rural India............................................. .....................

So while there are a handful of IITs and IIMs producing entrepreneurs, original thinkers and job creators, .

India..Answer: What is wrong in churning out conveyer belt Coders? Don't we need them in large numbers to cater to the needs of Indian industry? In my view this is absolutely right and these so called slite from IIMs have no rights to ridicule it as they alone can not run
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Given these facts, then there is question that needs to be answered? Is China actually benefiting from missing the BPO bus?

Answer: Keeping in India's size and population, we need everything and that too in all shades of qualitties with the aim of improving the quality at every level as we go along.
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In an interview, U R Rao admitted !

Answer: Why do we need PhDs as faculty ? Going for higher and higher degrees has reduced the value of degrees which used to be considered highly respectable just few decades back.. Having PhD does not mean some one is a great teacher and he knows everything........................................ ..............................................

Anyone who has visited one of those private computer institutes

Answer: We need not worry about this...We need numbers as much as quality... Let us not be carried away by this ploy of haves against the have nots...

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So what is the solution? .....between the academic world and the industry.

Answer: Personally I don't agree with this at all. Answer is in creating infrastructure so that quality teachers are ready to serve in the institutions and have quality life in the town where such institutions are created..Let us not get trapped into the quality indices laid down by western countries as that would leave India way behind...Mind you all these quality people leave the country and never look back to serve India...
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The second part of the solution is slightly more complex and has not been suggested in the report. Let us face it. The BPO, IT and ITES industries are here to stay. Since these industries are providing employment, it is logical for several institutions to train people in specific skill sets required for those industries.

Answer: 100% correct
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But the challenge is to keep the Indian knowledge pool competitive. Our higher educational system, which has been good, has till now managed to produce high-quality engineers, biotechnologists and social scientists, who have come up with original work and research. The rapid growth of 'just skills' education is eroding our knowledge base.

Answer: Both are important.... I don't expect my car mechanic to be an automobile engineer...
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The key to maintaining and enhancing our knowledge base is to -- borrowing a tech terminology -- declare certain institutions as 'cutting edge institutions'. These institutions should be spread across disciplines, unlike the current emphasis on applied science.

Answer: 100% correct..we need them all at every level...
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To explain this concept clearly, let us take the example of Jawaharlal Nehru University, considered the country's premier institution for research in social sciences. For long, JNU was the fount of knowledge creation in social sciences. The academics, research scholars and students could hold their own in the world stage. In short, they were part of the global knowledge creation process.

Answer: I think they are still doing fairly well....
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The twin impact of globalisation -- retreat of the state on one hand and creation of new and highly paying jobs on the other -- meant that funds to JNU dried up, while students who joined ostensibly to do research flew off to greener pastures. According to one former JNU proctor, the conversion rate of students doing masters to higher degree fell by over 40 per cent in period 1990 to 2000.

Answer: Let us not worry of some people leaving..They would always return or contribute to Indian growth at some or the other time..Decline in higher education is not only in India but else where also as many opportunities have opened up with the opening of trade... I know many higher education centres have closed in UK.. They have come to a stage when they have to import science and maths teachers from India..Not many want to study maths and physics in west these days..
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What such a decline has led to is the diminishing Indian presence in the global knowledge creation process. What an editor in a prominent publishing house told this columnist will reveal the extent of this reduction. In the last decade the number of Indian authors publishing social sciences books have dropped by over 20 per cent, while the number of proposals for publishing social sciences guidebooks have increased by 35 per cent.

Answer: Book publishing has gown down all over world. The reason is that lots of information is available on internet..Rarely one has to open a book these days to look for some uptodate information..Let us not be carried away by this...I see more and more Indian names on international scene these days than in past.............................................. .............................................

What is true of JNU, is also to a large extent true of the IITs and IIMs. The Indian government should evolve a policy on declaring certain institutions 'cutting edge'. Such a branding, quite obviously, will come with financial rewards in terms of greater funding, exchange programmes of scholars, quality research products, tie-ups with foreign institutions and better infrastructure.

Answer: Agree 100%...
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The entry into such institutions, whether of research faculty or students, should involve the crossing of multiple barriers and only the very best should get into it. Very best, of course, means the absence of quotas of any kind and a whetting process that weeds out those not interested in conducting research. Like the Armed Forces Medical College, people entering the 'cutting edge institution' may be asked to sign a bond. Entry into a 'cutting edge institution' should also mean a guarantee of tenure. For instance, a research student should have the path to move up the ladder and get international exposure.

Answer: Agreed..However, all such people who make to these institutions, must be bound to serve in other similar Indian institutions at least for 5 years after gaining their degrees at the cost of Indian Tax payer...They should be issued only temporary passports if they ever have to visit outside India. .................................................. ............

mbamal
February 5th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Answer: Agreed..However, all such people who make to these institutions, must be bound to serve in other similar Indian institutions at least for 5 years after gaining their degrees at the cost of Indian Tax payer...They should be issued only temporary passports if they ever have to visit outside India. .................................................. ............

"At the cost of indian tax payer"!! Agreed....but then Do you mean to say that people from these institutions are not contributing anything to the indian economy and society when they are working in private/multinational organizations. This is a baseless accusation, get ur facts right before u make such ridiculous suggestions (with reference to your passport suggestion). The best way would be to stop subsidizing these institutions like in the case of IIMS..they are fairly autonomous and economically independent. Same is being done in case of IITs..they are not really that much subsidized these days. Most of them are becoming increasing dependent on the money generated by collaborative research and Industry sponsored projects. They are no longer cheap to study in, the tutions fees are increasing every year in wake of reduction of grants from UGC.

In my opinion, Forcing these people to work for "Indian Institutions" will stifle their entrepreneurial ambitions.

rkumar
February 5th, 2005, 02:47 AM
"At the cost of indian tax payer"!! Agreed....but then Do you mean to say that people from these institutions are not contributing anything to the indian economy and society when they are working in private/multinational organizations. This is a baseless accusation, get ur facts right before u make such ridiculous suggestions (with reference to your passport suggestion). The best way would be to stop subsidizing these institutions like in the case of IIMS..they are fairly autonomous and economically independent. Same is being done in case of IITs..they are not really that much subsidized these days. Most of them are becoming increasing dependent on the money generated by collaborative research and Industry sponsored projects. They are no longer cheap to study in, the tutions fees are increasing every year in wake of reduction of grants from UGC.

In my opinion, Forcing these people to work for "Indian Institutions" will stifle their entrepreneurial ambitions.

Asking these people to serve India for 5 years can not be called ridiculous. Otherwise you tell me how one expects quality faculty in institutions which are not located in big cities ? Please suggust me some reasonable method then how to get quality doctors and quality faculty in rural India ?

RK^2

anujkumar
February 5th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Eating goverment money or not, still these bright people itself are india's asset. Brain Drain is not the problem of just India, or other developing countries. UK is facing, and they have whole program of bringing these people back but then they have got money which is a problem for india, putting efferts to retain these people giving some incentives is not the same as saying no MNC's and asking them to work for corrupt government sector.

For example, SINGAPORE MIT alliance, this university bear all expanses of student in US for six months, sometime they go on to do PhD's at MIT and then (have to) return back.

But I think this bond mechanism would not work in Indian context.