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mit
May 20th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Hi dear fellow members i dont know but i just reading the net and gone through this aritcle on this site
http://www.imninalu.net/Eurasians.htm#Jats

which shows that we have our brothers in england and we are decendants of smartians have a look on this passage and tell me what do u think.

"A special mention deserve the Jat people, sometimes identified as Rajput and sometimes distinguished from them. Indeed, the differences between the two groups are not ethnic but socio-cultural, and the same tribe may be regarded as Rajput or Jat, depending on the geographic area. There are not fixed patterns to establish whether one clan may be considered either one or the other from outside; it is a subjective self-definition. Jats are however, one of the 36 "royal tribes" of the Rajput society; consequently, it would be more appropriate to distinguish if a Rajput clan is Jat or not.
The Jats undoubtedly descend from the easternmost branch of the Sarmatian people, the Yazyg of Central Asia, that curiously have the same name of the westernmost branch in the Danubian region: Jász, Jat, Jut. During the British rule over India, colonizers and scholars noticed to their astonishment that many Jat people had apparently English family names or very similar. Certainly the proud Jats would have never adopted British surnames for their own ancestral clans, and they did not result from intermarriage either. Other foreign powers ruled over the Indus Valley before and for longer periods than England, yet no Jat clan names corresponding to the previous rulers have been found. Besides this, no other Indian people had such names except Jats. This peculiarity led scholars to research about these Jat-British homonyms: those names in England may be traced back to a Jut origin, mainly Kentish; among the Jats, they exist since the distant past. This appears to be more than a coincidence; Jats and Juts are the same people. This assertion finds confirmation in historic records, for example, the Roman writer Ammianus Marcellinus, who called all Sarmatian peoples "Alani", wrote: "Alani once were known as the Massagetae. The Alani mount to the eastward, divided into populous and extensive nations; these reach as far as Asia and, as I have heard, stretch all the way to the river Ganges, which flows through the territories of India". British scholars and also officers compared the Jats' warrior character with that of the Kentish men as well as their traditional laws, for instance, the double heritage part for the youngest son, still practised among Indian Jats. An accurate research about this people which takes account of all the relevant characteristics of their ethnicity reveals that they are among the purest Sarmatic tribes existing today. See map of the Indus valley peoples.
A widespread erroneous theory claims that also Roma (Gypsies) are Jats or else connected with them, such hypothesis is utterly groundless, but as is not the subject of this chapter, it has been exposed in other essays (see: Origin of Roma and Sinti and Myths, Hypotheses and Facts about the Origin of Roma)."
ref "http://www.imninalu.net/Eurasians.htm#Jats"

mansi1218
June 1st, 2005, 11:01 PM
v interesting!! Well right now i can't go thru dat article but its surely something dat most of us never knew.I think v all shud really give some time 2 dat article.As my exams r goin on,I'll read it some other day.Keep it up n do write ur opinion as well. :)

virmaramjyani
June 2nd, 2005, 02:17 AM
u r right.. i have gone through lot of papers n books.. my conclusion mathes with u...

sandeep.dahiya
June 2nd, 2005, 03:13 AM
amit bhai,

is baare main apni knowledge to bahut kum hain lekin i have read somwhere that jat have their origin(base) in japan.. i do'nt know wheather it is true or not.

lets wait ans see other people comments on this.

in fact u have started a really intresting thread.......

mit
June 3rd, 2005, 02:34 AM
Dear fellow members i've seen many kentish people here in london,they are very much like us in physical appearance.I have seen we jats have different features than other races in india i wont say others are inferior but than definately jats have different features i mean on an average a jat bloke or a jat fille is easily identified from a group of people not only becoz of physical features but the body language the way they stand the way they talk and the level of confidence they have i mean i have seen girls and guys from interior villages they speak with such amount of confidence which i had seen some of my fellow collegue who've been born and bought up in 10 times modern atmosphere than them cant speak ,this is a genetic quality of jats they dont have fear to put there point in front of anyone in any society any place they are.This is the quality i have seen with kentish people there is a area called kent here in london. if u go and see outer kent you will find these kentish people and some of the common sir name i have find among us and kentish people are dillon and gill. one thing more i have seen so many areas in england named on like "jutsum lane", "jut lane" i have a danish friend who told me about a jut land in denmar some of you might have idea about it i will tell u the rest of the story about where we jats are from exactly in my next post
regards
amit

mansi1218
June 3rd, 2005, 06:36 PM
wow! dat is cool! Keep on postin watever information u get as well as ur experiences.I must say dis thread is becomin more n more interestin! ;)

ajaysinghbamel
June 3rd, 2005, 09:39 PM
I agree that we are decendants of of smartians and we can observe this at many places. My surname is bamel and if i go google search put bamel then the bamel is surname of many people in US,Israel. Also i had seen one movie named yugoslavia with love which was based on yugoslavia and there outside the houses there was ameplate written as Jat.

lrburdak
June 4th, 2005, 11:27 AM
Members may also like to see thread-

Kingdom of Jats in England

Being discussed in History section itself. It has the same theme. Please see

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7777

Regards,

p_singhdelhi
June 4th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Amit yar u r very true that u can locate a jat from his or her appearences even in india or in england . I have read some article in magzine that we Jat can trace our roots in Europe with the Gypesis Clan living there caz they people are very similer to our culture and traditions.

Jabardast Jats

mit
June 4th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Members may also like to see thread-

Kingdom of Jats in England

Regards,

Thanks for the information and thanks for ur contribution on our history we are realy greatful to u for devoting ur time on jats topic u are right sir the things u mentiioned in ur thread are intersting and relevant to the topic i am gonna send some more details about the roots of jats and with some real examples and if u join all the thereads u will find that almost all the histrorians of the world (not only indians or not only europians) are agreed on this point that we belong from central and eastern europe and jats are scatterd all over the world.
regards
amit

mansi1218
June 4th, 2005, 10:08 PM
gr8 goin! :)

mit
June 5th, 2005, 02:58 AM
amit bhai,

is baare main apni knowledge to bahut kum hain lekin i have read somwhere that jat have their origin(base) in japan.. i do'nt know wheather it is true or not.

lets wait ans see other people comments on this.

in fact u have started a really intresting thread.......
yes think u are right up to some extent in a way samartian(pre-historic name for jats) invaded japan at sometime and some of them settle there aswell.so might be there may be truth in what u are saying.

ankitbeniwal
July 10th, 2005, 11:59 PM
mit bro as far as i think jat is that breed which have both these features
he is smartian but he is not misuse his smartness and the another feature is decedents
i think that jat is a great example of decedents

deepender
July 11th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Alternate point of view here:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

Jats are linked to Croatians and Serbs --- and it's proposed that migration was from Indus not into Indus.

Deepender

haryanajat
July 11th, 2005, 07:46 AM
Alternate point of view here:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

Jats are linked to Croatians and Serbs --- and it's proposed that migration was from Indus not into Indus.

Deepender
Serbs are a slavic (slavic = slave) people just like the Russians are. I have met few serbs in usa and they were tall white people with straight thin nose.
In USA, you would find many basketball players from serbia and croatia. In general both are a tall people.
I cannot understand how people can say jats are descended or related to serbs or croats. I mean jats don't look like serbs or croats both of which were once part of Marshal tito's(a croat reviled in serbia) former yugoslavia.
There is a book by British writer(cannot recall his name now) "The people of India and their origins". In it, the writer says hindu jats, jat-sikhs, rajputs , khatris are the people of India who most closely resemble the ancient aryan invaders. The writer is calling jats as descendants of aryans.
There is one genetic study(not related to jats) that came out which directly connects the dravidians of south India to africans.
May be a genetic study about origins of jats is needed. That could be definitive.