Jats Lead the pack of stupids Headed for Disaster

[dahiyarules]

Initially I was hardly motivated to respond to all the socialist-laced messages. But now felt compulsive to put own my thoughts. First of all I am a very proud Jat. Infact my License Plate Number is "Jat Boy." :D I wasnt surprised at all when the DMV here in Florida granted me the special License Tag number, becuase I guess I am the only Jat Boy in Florida. :cool: Coming back to the point, I have no grudges against the Jat race. I am just one of those who are highly upset with the tate of affairs of our once proud race.

1, First of all Jats need to stop settling down with bad, when it comes to choosing between the bad and worse. The institution of government in Haryana, Rajasthan, Punjab and UP (Jatland) has been highly unsuccessful, just like in the rest of India (Chamarland). We the educated and well established "Jat elite class," need to take the lead. We need to do something that is a better alternative to Govrnment.

2. The Jat race has stooped to such a low level, that now we crave for reservations. I remember I had another fellow jat friend at Khalsa College (DU), and we sneered at the shaddus (SC/ST). I think Jats are made for better things. What happened to the jats from our preants days, when they walked several miles every day and crossed rivers, to get to schools. Now we want the easy way out. There is an insane controversy to bring down the Jat Race. And reservations and quotas ar ejust one of the tools. these things dont help. See the chamaars have always been chamars. They never rose above their level inspite of nearly 60 years of special favors.

Tel me what ya'll think about my ideas. I have some more to vent. It depends on your responses. Well it's time for "the Jon Stewart Show."

Keep posting.

Sumit Dahiya

Tallahassee, FL

[raj_rathee]

Tel me what ya'll think about my ideas. I have some more to vent. It depends on your responses. Well it's time for "the Jon Stewart Show."


Dost, what ideas ?
I didn't find a single idea here. What suggestions do you have and what
are you going to do about them ? "Jat Boy" ki license plate le ke kunsa teer
maar li ?

Dost, you need to provide some concrete thoughts and actionable items
for anybody to want to engage in serious discussion. As it is most folks
here are just fluff, including most of our elders here. Sab foki bagawaan sen.
There are very few who do.

So lets see you being different. Come on "Jat Boy"...dhooma tha de...

[deepender]

So lets see you being different. Come on "Jat Boy"...dhooma tha de...

I like "dhooma tha de". Well said :-) !!

Could also use "lath gad de" ;-) !!

[dahiyarules]

Dude, I wasnt a bit offended by the response. Actually I was blown to bits. More than the thoughts, it was the dialect.

Well I did have some open thoughts in my post. They were:

1. The governance of our states is a total failure.

2. The average jat is falling own in terms of social stature, aspiring for shortcuts like reservations and quotas in govt. sponsored programs like education and employment.

My solution is that we need to have a more capitalistic oriented government system in he Jat States. This means lesser government regulation. More capitalistventures means more employemtn opportunities. And when there will be opportunities, people will have the urge to have higher educational qualifications, and on we move.

By the way, my license tag isnt a halmark of any achievement. Its just that I have it at the core of my heart, who I am. And I am proud of it. Keep pouring in your response.

[rkumar]

1. The governance of our states is a total failure.

2. The average jat is falling own in terms of social stature, aspiring for shortcuts like reservations and quotas in govt. sponsored programs like education and employment.

My solution is that we need to have a more capitalistic oriented government system in he Jat States. This means lesser government regulation. More capitalistventures means more employemtn opportunities. And when there will be opportunities, people will have the urge to have higher educational qualifications, and on we move.

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Good points Sumit. I agree that things have not be right in past. However, some points of optimism at least for Haryana;

1. I personally feel that present Haryana government is moving in the right direction.

2. I fully agree that our Jat leaders in other states are not doing good enough for either our community or any other community. But again, if they are not doing, someone else has to jump into fray. Some of us have to reach into field to make the changes happen. Trust me, we will be there soon and you would here some better thing in coming months and years hopefully.

RK^2

[raj_rathee]

Good. You better not have been offended, otherwise I would have
thrown you down and smacked you real hard. Woh Jat kissa jo
madi si thap thapi na aut sake. Jab tahin do char bhaga na lente
tae gyan kona aanta. So liked you spirit. Too many people are
overly sensitive.

Well I like your overall directions. I guess what you are saying is that
we should try to set up a system on the model of USA. And that is
a good one in my opinion.

How do you think we can get there ? Assuming you had the
CMs ear, can you suggest 10 or so practical steps (not blue sky
ideas) that can help us get there.

BTW: I am not sure I agree with you when you say the average
Jat has fallen in stature. What I have observed is that any Jat that
somehow makes it out of the village does really well. Also, in the
last 10-15 years I have seen a remarkable transformation in the urban
landscape. Before, around mid 80s urban Sonepat was all Punjabis. Hardly
a Jat in sight, and especially not in "upscale areas" like Model Town
(well it is as upscale as Sonepat gets). Now if you look in all the
new sectors its majority Jats....I bet every 5th house is probably a Dahiya !
(I am exaggerating).

I am seeing Jat kids doing well in schools...even businesses...we are
gradually taking up the Banias strongholds....So things aren't
as bad as you seem to feel.

However, at the same time the folks who are still stuck in the villages
aren't making strides..and I think we need to focus on that.....
Education, did I hear ?



Dude, I wasnt a bit offended by the response. Actually I was blown to bits. More than the thoughts, it was the dialect.

Well I did have some open thoughts in my post. They were:

1. The governance of our states is a total failure.

2. The average jat is falling own in terms of social stature, aspiring for shortcuts like reservations and quotas in govt. sponsored programs like education and employment.

My solution is that we need to have a more capitalistic oriented government system in he Jat States. This means lesser government regulation. More capitalistventures means more employemtn opportunities. And when there will be opportunities, people will have the urge to have higher educational qualifications, and on we move.

By the way, my license tag isnt a halmark of any achievement. Its just that I have it at the core of my heart, who I am. And I am proud of it. Keep pouring in your response.

[dahiyarules]

Well I am just completely amazed by the sotries of struggle of my father's and previous generations. We hear stories about Bharatpur and Maharaja Surajmal. We hear fables of Sir Chhotu Ram. And i can go on and on and on. And then I hear the stories of my grandafather's neighbors and relatives. (Village Kheri Asra, Chara wali Khedi). The guys living right across are a band of brothers, who are devoted to highway robberies and car jackings. All of them have been to prison for something bad that they did. The guys living on the left have a who has fulfilled his aspirations to be big time gangster. And this way I an go on and on and on.

As for the government, our state has one of the most corurpt government one could imagine. Doesnt make the difference who forms the government. When I hear about the Chautala family, and how lavishly they live, even a fool would get it right the first time, wealth doesnt fall form the skies. I feel pity on the elderly who wait in long queues every month to get their 100 ruppe monthly pension. Not to forget the convoys of vehicles that our leadership travels in, and the brutality of the police services. And agian I can go on and on and on.

I am not one of those who crib about things, and cry out loud. I think that his is a great platform for the smat and the sensible to get together and organized. If not that, then atleast be aware of the real fact behind everything that happens.

If you guys think that the current govenrment is doing good, when there are lengthy power cuts, farmers facing bad irrigation facilities, and our kids turning to crime for a profession, then I think you need to push he envelope a little further and say that we are a failure. Failure cannot be ammended into a success, withut being acknowledged, first.

Keep posting. I want you guys to criticize me from the bottom of your heart, becuase thats the only way I can highlight the real drawbacks with my ideas.

[dahiyarules]

Thats a good point yaar. Those who leave he village perform better. Thast exactly my point. People are trapped in the instituion of govenremnt that binds our villages. Once we leave the village, we are exposed to better ideas and opportunities. The only reason that I feel so personally about the sitution with Haryana is becuase even though I was educated entirely in Delhi and the US, I spent nealry all my school holidays with my grandparents in Haryana, who in a way raised me. I know nearly everyone in thier vilalge on a personal level, and feel for their miseries.

One thing that hits me on and on, everytime I fall down the abyss of memories is how during the summers, when the cows and buffalos hardly give any milk, and I would visit some home in the village, they would always offer me a warm glass of milk. Thats the spirit that underlies the Jat society. Sharing and giving.

As for having the CMs ear. I do not want his ar, because I dont have any faith in him. I am all down and prepared to oust the current system and replace it with a system that has the private sector to tend to public problems. I set up a website some time ago, but never upgraded it much. I will start working on it soon. the URL is : http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~sd02

Keep pouring

[rkumar]

.......
As for having the CMs ear. I do not want his ar, because I dont have any faith in him. I am all down and prepared to oust the current system and replace it with a system that has the private sector to tend to public problems. I set up a website some time ago, but never upgraded it much. I will start working on it soon. the URL is : http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~sd02

Keep pouring

If you think private sector can solve all the ills of society, I am afraid, you are short of vision. Having worked for private sector and knowing them very well, I know how they function. I will never trust them to have full intersts of poor people as their sole motive. In my view the joint venture of government and private sector is what is most suitable for the country. India is at least now, is moving in right direction. Private sector will never go where it does not make money...So I don't expect them to solve our rural problems...

RK^2

[dahiyarules]

Everytime somone wants to portray the government as the Superman that saves the poor man, I ask them the question: Do you actually think the government is doing anything for the Poor man? Do you actually see any connetion between our leaders who live in Bungalows, drive in airconditioned cars, surrounded by security guards, fly first class, and get VIP treatment in London or Chicago, for their illnesses, and the poor man who hardly knows whats he going to feed his family for dinner, doesnt have enough to pay the bus fair, gets stabbed or shot in the middle of the night, or run over by a car as he lays on the footpath, and feels helpless as his sick child lays unattended in a government hospital, because he doesnt ahve anough to grease the palms of the "underpaid government doctors? If you still see a conection, then you can see what I cannot. And you need to ell me whats missing in the picture.

A socialist state runs on taxes. Our public sector industries have been been running in losses ever since god knows when. Now dont say ONGC. It has had a government sponsored monoply over its operations, since god knows when. Yes th private sector goes where they see returns. Tell me how often do you invest money, when you realise that you wont get fair returns? Or tell me if I were to bring a poor man to your door, would you hand him 25 percent (Thats what average middle class pays in taxes) of you income rightaway without a whimp or a whisper? The answer is no. So how can you expect someone, in this case the government, to force you to cough up a quarter of what you make and spend it on what you dont even have any say on, in this case give away to the poor man. WHich I highly doubt. Most government expenditure is on running the monster institution that it is, and not on handouts to poor people. Corporations just make the game efficient, fair and simple. They create opportunities for people. Who in turn send their wages on the basket of goods and services that they desire. Customers pay for what they get. And they have the pportunity to spend their money on the best deal they are getting. Just remember the last time you went out to buy a TV. You didnt walk out of the store with the TV, wihtout paying for it. You paid the full price on the TV, that you and the seller baragained for. And finally, you bought the TV form the seller who gave you the best deal. No I am not short of vision. I think that you reach a stage in your life when logic strike harder than emotion. Thats when you say, youve got a vision.

[raj_rathee]

Sumit:

I think there are two approaches to bring about change. One is the
one that you seem to refer, which is a drastic overhaul
of everything...something on the lines of revolutionary. To realise
something like this would pretty much boil down to coming to power
and making it happen. i.e. Join politics. Create your own party
and vision, win over the people, fight elections and basically just do it
i.e You do it. You make it happen.

The other approach is to try to vote to power those people
and that party which you think is the best option for bringing about
change. As educated people we can think a few steps ahead and
hope to find existing political leaders who do have a vision for change
and betterment and provide them support (and ideas) in the hope that
they will try to make things happen.

Neither is easy. Neither is quick. Nothing is guaranteed to happen.

Now if you choose the former approach you'd need to be really good
at winning people over to your line of thinking. Just try to
see how many people on Jatland itself you can get on your side. And
here we are talking about mostly educated rational people. And then
imagine trying to go to the villages and convincing people to vote
for you. Most people there will tell you upfront: "Bhai Dahiya, mahre
molurd chorre ne naukri lagwaata ho tae vote denge na tae
chalta ban". And for the kati nikhad types you'd need to come up with lots
of Daaru and perhaps some goondas.....

........

At the current point in time there is some optimism that the new
brand of leaders we currently have are somewhat sincere. They are
younger and better educated. So we are hoping for some good things
to happen.

What other option do we have ?

[ajaygahlawat]

I think that we raise good points..
But what about the action, and the follow up?

The ground reality is a bit different as pointed above. If you think of things...
It is very basic needs that need to be met. That of food. That of a comfortable shelter. We are not one of the poorest states. Certainly not. We have one of the most fertile lands, and (perhaps formerly) one of the most laborious workforces. What is going wrong?

Are we not marketing properly? Perhaps it is not as fair a market to our farmers as it should be. One example comes to mind. From the relatively socialistic days, I can remember people wanting to produce gud and shukkar instead of selling their cane to the sugar mills. Why? It is more profitable, and the sugar mill would not offer a fair price. Why? It has been granted monopoly of all the cane produced in the region. So? So, it deals with the poor farmer in a high handed way.... I can speculate on as to why that might be happening..

1. Incompetent politically appointed management.
2. A skewed market to help the incompetent public sector manager.

Now if you change either of these, things may take a turn for the better, and people may again start going for cash crops. I am dead sure that if the investment in agriculture itself is properly diversified, the fertile lands of jats are enough to offer a consistentently improving lifestyle. (I measure wealth in terms of lifestyle, because the currency conversion is skewed beyond repair).

Spanning out of the above only...
The reasons why I think that it is not happening, is because

1. The deminished land holding reduce the risk taking capability.
The farmer can not risk it with relatively high rewarding crops because if it goes bad he is doomed.
What is the solution...?
Two things come to mind...
a> A capitalistic market instrument like insurance. If the crop is insured against certain kinds of disasters etc., the farmer would perhaps risk it.
b> Hedging of risk by collaboration:- I often think about the utopian concept of cooperative farming. Not the same cooperative thing as examplified by the sugar mill above, but the one like Amul. It should be a corporate entity. People bring in capital into the enterprise by leasing their land, and the corporation pays out dividends. The corporation has employees who get wages, and the corporation has competent finance managers who can maintain the cash flow. Well, I'd rather stop and come out of utopia for now.

2> Bhed Chaal:- One would realize that we often emulate the success of one farmer, and only accidentally happen to create a surplus of some commodity in a year. The next year, still hurt from the ensuing losses, noone goes for that crop. One thing that can help here is a proper market development, and a information system that informs people well in advance that this year too much potato has been planted or too less onion.
Or the second alternative is the corporation suggested above that does the same.


Enough blabbering... it is getting hot. Yes, I am not in an airconditioned building. The sun just showed itself in a furious (instead of brilliant) way. And I am just hoping that the electricity authorities stay a bit considerate.

Till later,
Ajay (for the moment in Chandigarh)

[ramksehrawat]

Dears all,

Sumit's thoughts are worth appreciating. However, to do something for the community we need someone to work closely with the masses. There has been a tendency among educated jats to migrate to urban areas for good. It may not be feasible for the working classes to give up their jobs and work for the community. Nobody would do that. At best they can provide support. Hence the problem of volunteers. We have to inculcate a feeling among our retired elders and those who are working in rural areas to take the lead. To begin with young students should be encouraged to study hard. Average jat children have got brains. They only needs only a bit of supervision and motivation to study hard so that they could compete with anyone. Similarly, those who are healthy and good at sports should be encouraged by providing facilities to do better. Cursing the government or system is not going to take us anywhere. We have to help ourselves in order to secure the future of our community.

[rkumar]

Dears all,

Sumit's thoughts are worth appreciating. However, to do something for the community we need someone to work closely with the masses. There has been a tendency among educated jats to migrate to urban areas for good. It may not be feasible for the working classes to give up their jobs and work for the community. Nobody would do that. At best they can provide support. Hence the problem of volunteers. We have to inculcate a feeling among our retired elders and those who are working in rural areas to take the lead. To begin with young students should be encouraged to study hard. Average jat children have got brains. They only needs only a bit of supervision and motivation to study hard so that they could compete with anyone. Similarly, those who are healthy and good at sports should be encouraged by providing facilities to do better. Cursing the government or system is not going to take us anywhere. We have to help ourselves in order to secure the future of our community.

100% correct Sehrawat Sahab...Your thoughts are very close to the realities on ground..

RK^2

[dahiyars]

Dear all,

Jib dekho jibey ye panch sat janey mandey rahvenye sain. Auran ney bi samil kar liya karo. Pher auran kee chinta kisney sai?

R.S.Dahiya

[dahiyarules]

Thanks for the heavy responses. Let me define revolution. Revoltion isnt the masses going out rioting and destrying public property. Revolution is the mass acceptance and endorsement of an idea. My idea is that of liberty. The liberty to choose one's destiny. Socialism put a lot of power in the hands of a centralized authority called government. I want just one of ya'll to come forward and say that you are 100 percent satisfied with the quality and level of services provided by the government. I want just one individual to come forward and say that you wholeheartedly trust the government. How many of you would choose to send your children to a government school, over a private school, provided both are equally available and viable options. How many of you, who reside overseas (Europe, Australia, North America), came here for reasons other than a well provided life (well paying jobs, opportunities, nice cars, airconditioned homes, and shop at a supermarket where goods are barcoded and you stuff your cart with them).
The thesis of my idea is that we have to shed our socialist mentality, stop trusting the government, and start having a more free market, liberty based thinking.
This free market attitude, and love for liberty, along with zero tollerance for government authority is called "Libertarianism."
If you want more info, you can go to my website mentioned below, or for more detailed info to www.lp.org (libertarain party of USA). The economics behind Libertarianism is called austrian economics. goto www.mises.org
Lets just stop feeding the beggars with crumbs. Lets enable them to feed themselves, and have better lives.

[deepender]

Sumit man,

I read the heading of this thread and then I've been reading your comments throughout.....what's up with the negativity? Let's be positive about Indian prospects especially when the whole world is bullish on India.

Sure we have our share of problems and we're here to discuss those, but I for one am here to debate our problems with atmost optimism.

By the way, mere mame Dahiya sai bhai, which village are you from?


Deepender

[sansanwalamit]

In my opinion, Libertarianism is a day dreamer’s delight. I have never heard of any society which is/was built up on this ism. It sounds like a great idea, but impossible to be implemented. George Orwell's "Animal Farm" relates Libertarianism to Communism very well. Authority automatically sets itself in any society; all you need is some powerful people. It is one of the biggest paradoxes, whenever any government has been toppled over for liberty; it has been succeeded by another government that eventually becomes as authoritative as the last one.
It is a rule set by the Nature that stronger/powerful one rules over the weaker one. Intelligence, smartness and hard work can make anyone powerful in today's time. And the beauty of democracy lies in the fact that anyone can have access to this power, provided you put the needed hard-work with intelligence. This is how a Bishnoi like Bahjan Lal could rule over the so called "Jatland" and no one except just one Jat from the so called "Jatland" could rule over India.
I do admire the other brilliant idea of the free market, but again it dosnt take long for a free market to become a monopoly which is worst than having a little government interference many times.
And even if Government is evil, I would say it is a necessary evil.
P.S. I felt disgusted when I read the word "Chamarland" being used to describe the India excluding the so called "Jatland", I found it very offensive and inappropriate, one should refrain from using such racist terms and insulting their own countries. Such behaviour only suits uneducated ones and the hicks :)

[dahiyarules]

First ofall Libertarianism is not a daydreamsers delight. Let me tell you one society that was based in lbertarian principles. United States. When it began, there was hardly any government interference in terms of trade. But, slowly and steadily, it became a highly regulated economy. Starting from the whisky rebellion to the Colonization of the south by the Union (Civil War), after the south being blockaded from trading with Europe. Every single day, some or the other legislation is passed in the congree or state legilatures, here in this country. Who gives the yay's and the nays? The people? Nay. The fools decide among themselves whether to go ahead with it. Summing it up. People dindt give all the authority that governments have. Governments built up the ir authority slowly and steadily with time. Thus the only reason that Libertarianism has never been adpted, becuase the "Powerful" governments never gave it a chance. So government has to abolished enitirely in the first place to have Libertarianism. And its el understood, things dont happen n a flash. Its a gradual process. Man has come all the way form livnig in the trees to flying to the space. Come to the Mises institute in Auburn, Alabama, and you will see the wealth of knowledge that exists for Libertarianism. Its a very basic idea. Dont accept authority. Tell me whats so difficult with it to be digested. If you cannot digest the idea, then u are anti liberty. I am so surprised that inspite how miserably the institution of government has failed the world over, people still want to have faith in it. Maybe I woke up a little early than others.

Coming to monoply, monoplies have existed in our economy, because of special treatment offered to them by the government. Lets take for example the Airplane industry. there are a handful. Reason, Airbus is boosted by the European governments, with tax dollars, and other guarantees that have lead to monoplies. Similarly boeing has been boosted by tax dollars, and other guarantes. The government has laws which prohibit thse companies from sharing their technology, and others coming into the indstry, becuase of sensitive defence applications. Sounds sweet, haan? But the boeign execuatives laugh behind our backs when such legislations are passed, as it ensures their monoply in the market. So monoply is a monster petted by the government. Thats the reason we see tata, hindujas and the ambanis vozying up with our leaders. Dude, i said it earlier, its a symbiotic rlationship.

I wont say the word chamarland struck me bad, but yea i think its been misunderstood. It was supposed to be a joke for those who got it. Jats have this tendency to have the feeling of superiority (Iam not one of em). I remember how they would just mnialize other communities. So as I grew up I started realizing that for a jat, all others (non-jats) and dhanak chamars are one and the same. Which was a bad attitude. You know the funny thing, I got a mail from a dude, who sounded like Jatt sikh, calling me a filthy man. Whoever he was his fuse was blown off, and was pissed. So once again, its not supposed to be an offence against any community.

Guys you can oppose an idea by having a closedmind towards it, but you are actualy supporting the idea by questioning it. Good jobs, keep it coming in.

By th way that was the best one: Its a brilliant idea, but is a joke. hahaha. You contradicted yourself right there and then.

[dahiyarules]

Well dost, I am not being negative on India at all. I am just not a big fan of the Indian politics. once told a friend: Democracy is the process of legitimization of the rule of the mob. Tell me how accessible our leaders are, after they get elected. Besides, its well know tht they pass favors to their near and dear ones, as an abuse of power. I will relate one incident here, which makes my heart cry eve today. Once when I was visiting my Nana in haryana, we went to see a MP friend of his. I wont disclose his identity, because besides his being an MP, hes also my buzurg. So he was having these visitors from other villages in his province, come and seehim to get help. The way they were treated as so pathetic. I was thinking all the time in my heart: "Asshole thse guys voted for you 6 months ago. Have some mercy on them." I think that was the time I got completely disillusioned about Indian politics.

India is a warehouse of cheap labor. ANd theres nothing bad about it. we are doing the sweatshop jobs for big techie corporations. And that is actually bringing in a lot of revnue. It provides the corporations with the much needed cost effectiveniess, to stay afloat in the competitive american market. But things have reacd the saturation point once again, as nearly every corporation has managed to achieve this cost effectiveness. India is not doing big guns in researching and developing new technologies. What i can foresee is that we could use this opportunity to develop the much needed infrastructure to achieve the status an economic superpower.

Do not forget that all the good things that we have achieved have come only after opening up our markets. We were no where close as we stuck to the socialist closed market form of economy.

Ok. my father is from village Nahra, Jila Sonepat. I never lived thier though. We lost him when I was realyl young, and i was raised by my Nana-Nani, who are from village Kheri Asra (Chahra wali kheri), Jila Jhajjar. I did my entire schooling from NOIDA and Delhi, where my mother lives, and then continued my schooling here in the US. I have spent a considerable portion of my life with my Nana-Nani, something I really miss now, as I am bound by a career and other responsibilities. I know I am burning some nerves right now. I am a very simple person with some complicated ideas. My house doenst have an a/c, and I never use one in my car, even in sweltering florida summers, and I drink off the tap. And to top it all I use Khadi a lot.

[raj_rathee]

Dunno dude...Didn't quite get the working practicalities about this
Libertarian theory. Saw your web page. Based on the little content that's
there I guess it is not easy to understand what you are trying to get
at.

You say:

"I derive my inspiration from the Libertarian Party of America. The very concept of real freedom by the means of zero government interference in our daily life is the sole pillar upon which the structure of Libertarianism stand. We the people of India shall form the laws, rules and regulations. The role of the government shall not be any more than protecting the laws. They must be prohibited from adding any more laws to the already groaning book of laws. We the people of India shall decide what we want to pay in taxes. No more the government will be at liberty to decide their jumbo-size ministries, and their bonuses along with other perks and remunerations."

You seem to be saying "Buzz off government. We will make our own rules."

Now who is "We" ? I don't quite understand the organization that
this would work under. If there IS some organisation, then you have
a government right there. If there isn't, then there is anarchy. Jo bhi sab tae
thada hoga teri bhodia ne le ke bhaaj jaaga. Phir ki dhore bhoon-bhoon
karte jaan ?

Sorry, perhaps there is a lot more to it. And that would require
a lot more time to read it and figure out. But based on the little you have
said it just doesn't give a clear picture.

[Err haan re, bataana bhool ga tha. Tu Florida men akela Jat na sae.
Ude mahara "Miami Ka Goonda Hooda", Shailendra Singh Hooda bhi
reha sae. I was wondering why you went for the "Jat Boy" license plate.
Now I got it. The "Jat Man" one must already have been taken by
"Miami Ka Goonda Hooda". ]

;)

[dahiyarules]

Rathee dude, you have great humor. Yea i read some posts by mr. Hooda. seems cool. I ll tell you the story behind the "Jat Boy" plates. I went to the DMV, and was playing aorund withthe clerk. So I asked her if I could get "hit man" plates. She said:taken. hmm. I said:Pink Punk? She said taken: I asked myself, whats there thats not taken. And since I never ever came acorss a jat hre, I said How abt "jat Boy" she said she has it. I was like, ill take it.

Whatever !

I made the website last summer, and havent touched it since. Needs a lot of updating. If you asked me to speak my heart: I would say: buzz off government. But as I said before, change is gradual. only two things happen in a flash. A meteor strikes, and women have an orgasm, in a flash. Sorry, if someone got offended. :-) So for now allI am asking is reduce government regulation of the economy. Since most of the public services will be provided privately, government ministries will be disbanded. That mans lower government expenditures. That would lead to lower taxation. Thats it. Then we can sit down and wait and see th good or bad effects of such policies. If its working we can go on disassebling the government. I think the last thing that govenrment would end up doing would be providing national defence. And thats going to cease to happen too as, our neighbors srtart killing thier govenrments too.

My blood boils when I call home: and I get the message: Iss route ki sabhi linen abhi vyast hain, kripya thode derr baar try karein."

you got the idea.

[shailendra]

[Err haan re, bataana bhool ga tha. Tu Florida men akela Jat na sae.
Ude mahara "Miami Ka Goonda Hooda", Shailendra Singh Hooda bhi
reha sae. I was wondering why you went for the "Jat Boy" license plate.
Now I got it. The "Jat Man" one must already have been taken by
"Miami Ka Goonda Hooda". ]

;)

LOL! Rathee bhai, 'Miami Ka Goonda Hooda' aali baat nae yaad rakkhan taiyeen sukreeya! :D I had almost missed this little part in the whole discussion above here,....but after accidentally coming across this piece; it did bring quite a sniggering smile remembering all the good ol', "beer and popcorn" days!!! :cool:

[anujkumar]

This thread is very very confusing.

We want Liberty

Throw Government away.

Unregulated economy.

So what happen then.

[sansanwalamit]

US never had Libertarianism, a society with existing slavery cannot be a society based on the principles of liberty, or so called "Libertarian" society.

Airline industry is more of an Oiligopoly rather than a Monopoly, and its the economies of scale that give rise to the monopolies in an economy not government intervention. Infact, governments always try to keep the monopolies away from the economies.

In the USA there are many libertarians in the southern states and almost all of them belong to the ethnic majority. It would not be a surprise if this "Libertarian" term was even coined in these states. American libertarians dream of a no government rule not for some great economic revolutions, but only to enjoy the benefits of their majority status. Because it’s the Government, which protects the rights of the minority groups and makes sure that majority does not exploit them. These libertarians want to get rid of the government as they feel that belonging to the majority, which would eventually rule, would bring them more benefits than what they are getting now.

[dahiyarules]

Your slavery theory is completely wrong. Beginning from right after
the independence, more and more states were getting rid of slavery. he industrial revolution was ushering in new and more practical nad economical means of production. Ok. I am not talking about the airline industry dude. Read carfully. I am talking about the "Aircraft" industry. Boeing enjoys government favors here in the US, just like Airbus enjoys govt. favaors in europe. Come here and try to start a new Aircraft company, and lets see how far you get with it. There are tons of permits to be availed. Security clearances, this and tha.. I mean its next to impossible to start a new company that manufactures aircrafts. On the other hand boeing gets all the subsidies, and a direct hand on defence and domestic contracts. Airbus operates the same way in europe.

As far as rule of the maority is concenred, Liberatarianism is actually all about taking the juice out of the government that makes it so powerful. yes america as close to being a libertarian society. How many itme do I have to mention that it began with no taxes, then came the taxes after the whiskey rebellion. That was the first time govt. ever taxed people, and that too was on hooch consumption.

No taxes, no govt regulation. Private property ownership rights. Now the term "lIbertarian" is a fairly new term. but those were the elements of linertarianism. So I can safely conclude tha tthis society started out as a libertairan society.

I really dont understand that after the total collapse of socialism, the world over, the total failure of the medicare system in canada (seems where u are from), and the eroding of personal liberties due to government legislation, someone out there roots for govt. regulation and socialism. Guys wake up form the dream. the current system is not working. Poverty still exists. Socialism is not the solution. India is the classic case, A socialist, secualr democracy, is what we call it. and remember seeing the slums when passing by in a train.
govt protects the rights of the weak, Govt protects the poor. govt feeds the hungry. govt feeds the hungry. Govt take care of the sick. Govt provides the neey wth education. Stop confusing govt, and mother theresa for a moment, for pete's sake. Think Practically.

By the way I love the humor section of this blog.

[sansanwalamit]

"Airline" was a mistake, I actually meant the "Aircraft" industry which is an oligopoly indeed.
Had American states be wise enough to abolish slavery one by one, then they could have avoided the civil war. But civil war did happen, which proves that the South never wanted to part with it.

[jakhar77]

Bhai Sumit kahna chahata hai-Jiski lathi,Uski bhains...LOL

[raj_rathee]

What happened to our fiery libertarian?
Last I heard was he was taking GRE...he he he he he...sarkar
err system se bacch ke kahan jaayega!!!

[hdsura]

Sorry guys for being so dense, but, who was Sita? -:()

[hdsura]

Oh, so, it was an GRE essay practice, I get it. -:). No, wonder the posts are so elaborate and touched almost all socio-economic and governing aspects.

[sidchhikara]

Few things that might make a difference:

Trust each other: This goes for any community. All Indians are in the habit of cutting the line to get what they want. They want to make sure they get it. This attitude is a result of decades of mistrust and unaccountability on part of the government and people. The opprtunities are few and far between and everbody wants to jump on it. This attitude is seen even in simple things as withdrawing money from the bank (I mean govt banks).

Get off your high horse: This goes for the Jat community. You need to be practical. Egos need to be gotten rid of. There is nothing spectacular that we as a community have done in the past or are doing today (neither has the rest of India). But if you look at the bright side we are hard working, straight-forward people. I would not go to the extent of including honesty in there - but yes we are honest as compared to other Indians on an average.

Education, Education, Education: Need a lot of it. They are teaching English from start of schooling. Thats positive.

Be positive and appreciative of each other, believe me - the spoken word has a lot of power.

Civility: Respect for each others rights. Getting the goonda and gangster out of your system. In these times, Survival of the fittest does not apply to the human race - only applies to the animal kingdom. I want to touch on the goondagardi part a little more:
In Jat community this is a direct result of a potent mix of alpha-male attitude and the surrounding economic conditions. As an example: a young man from a village sees all these new toys - cellphones, TV's , cars motorcycles, he wants them but does not have the means to get them. He is an alpha male, so what does he do? He takes them from somebody.

Respect for women: Need to start doing that. Stop killing the babies at the minimum.

Respect for elders: Need to tone that down. The elders need to respect the kids also. Its a 2-way street. Respect is earned. Don't demand it. This observation might make some of our senirs here insecure - but it is the truth.